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TheExperimenter
Nov 6, 2019, 6:33:38 PM11/6/19
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Ok, this post is for all the people making a big fuss when I asked about
stun gun components. I got ahold of one this week called VIPERTEK
VTS-881, a small red unit with a claimed "35 billion" volts. This
design comes in many forms and is marketed by different firms with
Vipertek being only one.
First tests were spark gap distance. Just under 1/2". Spark gap is
adjustable and discharges really slow down/ stop at 1/2" or more. So,
what does that tell you about voltage? For one thing, no where near the
volts advertised.
Next tests were one me. Now keep in mind before you shout, if you are
in a country where they are illegal, then don't read the post and
certainly don't reply. If I get any heat from this report, you go into
the kill file immediately so I won't see any further posts. Where I am
in the US, they are LEGAL.
I first adjusted the spark gap for maximum distance, then tested myself
in six different spots: right arm, stomach, upper leg, side, foot, and
finally shoulder. Each spot was energized with electrodes pressed
against the skin for 2-4 seconds (there's no way this thing is going to
penetrate through most clothing, by the way). It took four tries before
I even began to feel much other than a tingle. Finally, pain increased
a bit in arm and shoulder. If I were to scale it, I would say 5/10 at
most. Would it have stopped me from attacking someone who used it one
me? No.
I don't know what all the fuss was about. It's clear that these are
being falsely marketed from the start and giving people a false sense of
security. I'd be more concerned over this then my irrelevant request
for substitute parts. Now, that being said, keep in mind that I am 6'
1" tall and 215 lbs and healthy. You still wouldn't want to use this on
the elderly or anyone with heart issues or a pacemaker, nor is everyone
else going to respond to the shocks the way I did. However, after the
apparent rukus I made with my prior post, I felt it was time to see just
how much relevancy there was behind it. Now it should be clear. Bye.
stun gun components. I got ahold of one this week called VIPERTEK
VTS-881, a small red unit with a claimed "35 billion" volts. This
design comes in many forms and is marketed by different firms with
Vipertek being only one.
First tests were spark gap distance. Just under 1/2". Spark gap is
adjustable and discharges really slow down/ stop at 1/2" or more. So,
what does that tell you about voltage? For one thing, no where near the
volts advertised.
Next tests were one me. Now keep in mind before you shout, if you are
in a country where they are illegal, then don't read the post and
certainly don't reply. If I get any heat from this report, you go into
the kill file immediately so I won't see any further posts. Where I am
in the US, they are LEGAL.
I first adjusted the spark gap for maximum distance, then tested myself
in six different spots: right arm, stomach, upper leg, side, foot, and
finally shoulder. Each spot was energized with electrodes pressed
against the skin for 2-4 seconds (there's no way this thing is going to
penetrate through most clothing, by the way). It took four tries before
I even began to feel much other than a tingle. Finally, pain increased
a bit in arm and shoulder. If I were to scale it, I would say 5/10 at
most. Would it have stopped me from attacking someone who used it one
me? No.
I don't know what all the fuss was about. It's clear that these are
being falsely marketed from the start and giving people a false sense of
security. I'd be more concerned over this then my irrelevant request
for substitute parts. Now, that being said, keep in mind that I am 6'
1" tall and 215 lbs and healthy. You still wouldn't want to use this on
the elderly or anyone with heart issues or a pacemaker, nor is everyone
else going to respond to the shocks the way I did. However, after the
apparent rukus I made with my prior post, I felt it was time to see just
how much relevancy there was behind it. Now it should be clear. Bye.
Rheilly Phoull
Nov 6, 2019, 6:39:26 PM11/6/19
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TheExperimenter
Nov 6, 2019, 6:41:34 PM11/6/19
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to defeat.
Sjouke Burry
Nov 6, 2019, 8:44:30 PM11/6/19
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bitrex
Nov 6, 2019, 9:13:50 PM11/6/19
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hobby less hazardous to your health...sometimes cheaper, too
TheExperimenter
Nov 6, 2019, 9:16:20 PM11/6/19
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behavior first.
Ralph Mowery
Nov 6, 2019, 11:19:56 PM11/6/19
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In article <qpvl8e$hvg$1...@dont-email.me>, theex...@noaol.net says...
The 35 billion volts would probably throw an arc miles long.
Lightning is reported ot have from 100 million to 1 billion volts.
Tasers are only around 50,000 volts
>
> Ok, this post is for all the people making a big fuss when I asked about
> stun gun components. I got ahold of one this week called VIPERTEK
> VTS-881, a small red unit with a claimed "35 billion" volts. This
> design comes in many forms and is marketed by different firms with
> Vipertek being only one.
>
>
>
That 35 billion volts should be a tipoff the thing is a toy.
> Ok, this post is for all the people making a big fuss when I asked about
> stun gun components. I got ahold of one this week called VIPERTEK
> VTS-881, a small red unit with a claimed "35 billion" volts. This
> design comes in many forms and is marketed by different firms with
> Vipertek being only one.
>
>
>
The 35 billion volts would probably throw an arc miles long.
Lightning is reported ot have from 100 million to 1 billion volts.
Tasers are only around 50,000 volts
Jasen Betts
Nov 7, 2019, 12:01:04 AM11/7/19
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On 2019-11-06, TheExperimenter <theex...@noaol.net> wrote:
> Ok, this post is for all the people making a big fuss when I asked about
> stun gun components. I got ahold of one this week called VIPERTEK
> VTS-881, a small red unit with a claimed "35 billion" volts. This
> design comes in many forms and is marketed by different firms with
> Vipertek being only one.
>
> First tests were spark gap distance. Just under 1/2". Spark gap is
> adjustable and discharges really slow down/ stop at 1/2" or more. So,
> what does that tell you about voltage? For one thing, no where near the
> volts advertised.
It's about 3000V/mm so ballpark 35kV
> Ok, this post is for all the people making a big fuss when I asked about
> stun gun components. I got ahold of one this week called VIPERTEK
> VTS-881, a small red unit with a claimed "35 billion" volts. This
> design comes in many forms and is marketed by different firms with
> Vipertek being only one.
>
> First tests were spark gap distance. Just under 1/2". Spark gap is
> adjustable and discharges really slow down/ stop at 1/2" or more. So,
> what does that tell you about voltage? For one thing, no where near the
> volts advertised.
35GV would produce gamma rays.
--
When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.
bitrex
Nov 7, 2019, 12:14:14 AM11/7/19
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process for an American to not at all believe what some engineers say
about it and have to shock themselves multiple times with a stun gun to
figure out that it doesn't actually produce 35 billion volts, and write
an angry letter to the mfgr that it didn't at all blast them straight
thru a wall when it was turned on. what a rip off.
I have some understanding of the psychology of my compatriots. /shrug
TheExperimenter
Nov 7, 2019, 2:55:15 AM11/7/19
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venders are selling these identical units under many different brand
names and models.
Well, before I tested it, I did some research. Information is available
online as to its true voltage and current, both of which were the
determining factors to test or not.
Martin Brown
Nov 7, 2019, 4:07:27 AM11/7/19
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On 06/11/2019 23:33, TheExperimenter wrote:
> Ok, this post is for all the people making a big fuss when I asked about
> stun gun components. I got ahold of one this week called VIPERTEK
> VTS-881, a small red unit with a claimed "35 billion" volts. This
> design comes in many forms and is marketed by different firms with
> Vipertek being only one.
>
> First tests were spark gap distance. Just under 1/2". Spark gap is
> adjustable and discharges really slow down/ stop at 1/2" or more. So,
> what does that tell you about voltage? For one thing, no where near the
> volts advertised.
Depends a bit on air pressure and a lot on humidity but probably
> Ok, this post is for all the people making a big fuss when I asked about
> stun gun components. I got ahold of one this week called VIPERTEK
> VTS-881, a small red unit with a claimed "35 billion" volts. This
> design comes in many forms and is marketed by different firms with
> Vipertek being only one.
>
> First tests were spark gap distance. Just under 1/2". Spark gap is
> adjustable and discharges really slow down/ stop at 1/2" or more. So,
> what does that tell you about voltage? For one thing, no where near the
> volts advertised.
somewhere between 10kV and 30kV if it will only jump half an inch.
http://highvoltageconnection.com/articles/paschen-curve.html
Could even be less if the electrodes are sharp and pointed.
These are real sparks and real men inside the chain mail suits:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FpjcOWwiI4
(skip the first minute of dross)
This would stop your attacker but it isn't very portable.
> Next tests were one me. Now keep in mind before you shout, if you are
> in a country where they are illegal, then don't read the post and
> certainly don't reply. If I get any heat from this report, you go into
> the kill file immediately so I won't see any further posts. Where I am
> in the US, they are LEGAL.
>
> I first adjusted the spark gap for maximum distance, then tested myself
> in six different spots: right arm, stomach, upper leg, side, foot, and
> finally shoulder. Each spot was energized with electrodes pressed
> against the skin for 2-4 seconds (there's no way this thing is going to
> penetrate through most clothing, by the way). It took four tries before
> I even began to feel much other than a tingle. Finally, pain increased
> a bit in arm and shoulder. If I were to scale it, I would say 5/10 at
> most. Would it have stopped me from attacking someone who used it one
> me? No.
>
> I don't know what all the fuss was about. It's clear that these are
> being falsely marketed from the start and giving people a false sense of
> security. I'd be more concerned over this then my irrelevant request
> for substitute parts. Now, that being said, keep in mind that I am 6'
> 1" tall and 215 lbs and healthy. You still wouldn't want to use this on
> the elderly or anyone with heart issues or a pacemaker, nor is everyone
> else going to respond to the shocks the way I did. However, after the
> apparent rukus I made with my prior post, I felt it was time to see just
> how much relevancy there was behind it. Now it should be clear. Bye.
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
peterw...@gmail.com
Nov 7, 2019, 9:11:31 AM11/7/19
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Vos non potestis figere stultus.
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Fox's Mercantile
Nov 7, 2019, 9:38:06 AM11/7/19
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On 11/7/19 8:11 AM, pf...@aol.com wrote:
> Vos non potestis figere stultus
Or as they say around here, "You can't fix stupid."
--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
> Vos non potestis figere stultus
Or as they say around here, "You can't fix stupid."
--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
Tim R
Nov 7, 2019, 10:47:50 AM11/7/19
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On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 4:07:27 AM UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:
>
> These are real sparks and real men inside the chain mail suits:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FpjcOWwiI4
>
> (skip the first minute of dross)
>
> This would stop your attacker but it isn't very portable.
>
Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed that video.
>
> These are real sparks and real men inside the chain mail suits:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FpjcOWwiI4
>
> (skip the first minute of dross)
>
> This would stop your attacker but it isn't very portable.
>
Why test on yourself? Just go on youtube and watch hundreds of videos of police tasering people. Most of the time they are not incapacitated, they just keep screaming "stop tasering me."
TheExperimenter
Nov 7, 2019, 11:16:30 AM11/7/19
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1) To prove that the devices being marketed to the public are *not* the
same devices the police are using (aka false advertising) and
2) To address all those here with unwarranted concern. There is
concern, but is not the concern that should have been addressed.
TheExperimenter
Nov 7, 2019, 12:08:24 PM11/7/19
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On 11/7/19 4:07 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 06/11/2019 23:33, TheExperimenter wrote:
>> Ok, this post is for all the people making a big fuss when I asked
>> about stun gun components. I got ahold of one this week called
>> VIPERTEK VTS-881, a small red unit with a claimed "35 billion" volts.
>> This design comes in many forms and is marketed by different firms
>> with Vipertek being only one.
>>
>> First tests were spark gap distance. Just under 1/2". Spark gap is
>> adjustable and discharges really slow down/ stop at 1/2" or more. So,
>> what does that tell you about voltage? For one thing, no where near
>> the volts advertised.
>
> Depends a bit on air pressure and a lot on humidity but probably
> somewhere between 10kV and 30kV if it will only jump half an inch.
>
> http://highvoltageconnection.com/articles/paschen-curve.html
>
> Could even be less if the electrodes are sharp and pointed.
>
> These are real sparks and real men inside the chain mail suits:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FpjcOWwiI4
>
> (skip the first minute of dross)
>
> This would stop your attacker but it isn't very portable.
I agree, it would. I've built Tesla coils in the past, nothing like the
> On 06/11/2019 23:33, TheExperimenter wrote:
>> Ok, this post is for all the people making a big fuss when I asked
>> about stun gun components. I got ahold of one this week called
>> VIPERTEK VTS-881, a small red unit with a claimed "35 billion" volts.
>> This design comes in many forms and is marketed by different firms
>> with Vipertek being only one.
>>
>> First tests were spark gap distance. Just under 1/2". Spark gap is
>> adjustable and discharges really slow down/ stop at 1/2" or more. So,
>> what does that tell you about voltage? For one thing, no where near
>> the volts advertised.
>
> Depends a bit on air pressure and a lot on humidity but probably
> somewhere between 10kV and 30kV if it will only jump half an inch.
>
> http://highvoltageconnection.com/articles/paschen-curve.html
>
> Could even be less if the electrodes are sharp and pointed.
>
> These are real sparks and real men inside the chain mail suits:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FpjcOWwiI4
>
> (skip the first minute of dross)
>
> This would stop your attacker but it isn't very portable.
ones they used there, but typical NST driven units. Nothing beyond 5"
sparks, but it was fun.
TheExperimenter
Nov 7, 2019, 12:42:33 PM11/7/19
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On 11/6/19 11:50 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
enough credit (thinking it was only about 20 kV). However, after
rechecking the spark gap distance and using the fomula (kV) = 76.2 x
spark length (in inches) with the spark gap being 3/8", that comes out
to 28.5 kV. From the tingles I experienced, I suspect the resistance of
the body greatly reduces that which is why the device isn't effective.
TheExperimenter
Nov 7, 2019, 1:21:44 PM11/7/19
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false advertising for years, but no one seems willing to do anything
about the dysfunctional phone system in the US either.
bitrex
Nov 7, 2019, 2:02:09 PM11/7/19
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On 11/7/19 4:07 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
"open minded" couple.
TheExperimenter
Nov 7, 2019, 2:14:15 PM11/7/19
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On 11/7/19 2:02 PM, bitrex wrote:
>
>
> Put the thing in a different enclosure and it's a bedroom "toy" for the
> "open minded" couple.
http://tiny.cc/t8nwfz
>
>
> Put the thing in a different enclosure and it's a bedroom "toy" for the
> "open minded" couple.
John Doe
Nov 8, 2019, 11:38:24 PM11/8/19
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I agree, stun guns are silly.
You may as well carry a 9 V battery and ask them to stick out their
tongue.
Besides a real gun, I carry a Mace Pepper Gun. They say people who are
of a certain mental state can handle pepper spray. That may be true, but
most people cannot fight unless they can breath. Pepper spray is NASTY
stuff.
You may as well carry a 9 V battery and ask them to stick out their
tongue.
Besides a real gun, I carry a Mace Pepper Gun. They say people who are
of a certain mental state can handle pepper spray. That may be true, but
most people cannot fight unless they can breath. Pepper spray is NASTY
stuff.
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