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Robert Macy

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Nov 2, 2009, 1:03:30 PM11/2/09
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Forgot how to print a 'test page' not the one from MS, but the one
built in that tests all the jets.

Also, anyone out there have a DeskJet 500 Manual?

Operator's and/or Service?

William Sommerwerck

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Nov 2, 2009, 1:13:50 PM11/2/09
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I used to have one of these (it was later donated to Microsoft's test lab),
but I don't remember. It's usually something like holding down the On Line
or Form Feed button while turning on the power. It can't hurt to experiment;
you're not going to waste any supplies if it doesn't work.


Robert Macy

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Nov 2, 2009, 1:46:13 PM11/2/09
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On Nov 2, 10:13 am, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:

THANK YOU!

It was indeed hold down the FF button and cycle the power.

Found a 'dead' jet, but the constant printing on page 3 [landscape
mode], must have awakened it.

ne...@jecarter.us

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Nov 2, 2009, 2:00:47 PM11/2/09
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Baron

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Nov 2, 2009, 3:59:44 PM11/2/09
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Robert Macy wrote:

Wow ! Someone else who still has & uses a Deskjet 500. I've had mine
from new just as they came out. Must be getting on for 25 years or so
now.

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Best Regards:
Baron.

Robert Macy

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Nov 2, 2009, 4:22:15 PM11/2/09
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On Nov 2, 11:00 am, n...@jecarter.us wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:03:30 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
>
> <m...@california.com> wrote:
> >Forgot how to print a 'test page'  not the one from MS, but the one
> >built in that tests all the jets.
>
> >Also, anyone out there have a DeskJet 500 Manual?
>
> >Operator's and/or Service?
>
> Look here for the DeskJet 500 info:http://search.hp.com/query.html?charset=iso-8859-1&lk=1&la=en&nh=10&s...
>
> John

Thank you. I found that POWER ON while holding down the FONT button
is supposed to print a test page.

Also, found Coniguration Switch Settings and the Printer Control
Commands, the escape sequences.

My manual is in storage. Would like to get a copy of that.

Robert Macy

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Nov 2, 2009, 4:23:27 PM11/2/09
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On Nov 2, 11:15 am, Meat Plow <m...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:13:50 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
> <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>wrote:
> What about going to the printer driver and use the Print Test Page
> function?

I think that prints the Microsoft page, not the one that exercises all
the printer's functions.

Robert Macy

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Nov 2, 2009, 4:26:44 PM11/2/09
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Yes! Bought it new, also. Still has the highest contrast ratio for
me.

I did run across somebody [in TX?] that refurbishes them for sale, but
they wanted more than $260 at a time when most printers are going for
$40, didn't make sense to get another one. Instead, I just waited.

As a result of waiting, I've been given an HP LaserJet 5 and an Epson
C60 [color printer], so still don't need another yet.

Baron

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Nov 2, 2009, 4:50:55 PM11/2/09
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Robert Macy wrote:

> On Nov 2, 12:59 pm, Baron <baron.nos...@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:
>> Robert Macy wrote:
>> > Forgot how to print a 'test page'  not the one from MS, but the one
>> > built in that tests all the jets.
>>
>> > Also, anyone out there have a DeskJet 500 Manual?
>>
>> > Operator's and/or Service?
>>
>> Wow !  Someone else who still has & uses a Deskjet 500.  I've had
>> mine from new just as they came out.  Must be getting on for 25 years
>> or so now.
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards:
>> Baron.
>
> Yes! Bought it new, also. Still has the highest contrast ratio for
> me.

Agreed ! Very good print quality. Pity the ink carts are not available
anymore. I've been refilling mine for several years now.

> I did run across somebody [in TX?] that refurbishes them for sale, but
> they wanted more than $260 at a time when most printers are going for
> $40, didn't make sense to get another one. Instead, I just waited.

Quite ! I wouldn't pay more than $10 or $15 for one, particularly when
they get thrown out by firms clearing the IT stock room.

> As a result of waiting, I've been given an HP LaserJet 5 and an Epson
> C60 [color printer], so still don't need another yet.

Watch the Epson ! The ink dries very rapidly in the print heads and
they are part of the printer and not the cartridge. I've seen new
demonstration machines dumped because the ink has dried in the print
heads.

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Baron.

Robert Macy

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Nov 2, 2009, 5:37:27 PM11/2/09
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Thanks for the 'heads up'

I have not been happy with it. Cartridge dries out way too fast.
Have to use everyday, or waste ink to recharge, Wait, using everyday
wastes ink, too. So no way to gain. Plus, the cartridges [the ones
easy to get, cost $30 to $50!!!] Isn't that the price of a desk top
printer?

So,I'm back to "that's a niceprinter, but can't use it. "

What is the best priced, high contrast printer out there? Of course
long lived.

David Nebenzahl

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Nov 2, 2009, 7:43:34 PM11/2/09
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On 11/2/2009 12:59 PM Baron spake thus:

So can you tell me how your printer compares to mine, a DeskJet 932C? I
have the sneaking suspicion that mine is not as good, but really have no
idea.


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Jeff Liebermann

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Nov 2, 2009, 9:10:41 PM11/2/09
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:03:30 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
<ma...@california.com> wrote:

>Forgot how to print a 'test page' not the one from MS, but the one
>built in that tests all the jets.

Press FONT and RESET, or LOAD EJECT while turning on the printer.
<http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&docname=bpd07098>

Digging a bit deeper:
<http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&docname=bpd01364>
Print a self-test page. Turn the printer off and hold the Font button
down on the printer's Control Panel; then turn the printer on and
release the Font button after the printer picks up paper.

>Also, anyone out there have a DeskJet 500 Manual?
>Operator's and/or Service?

Both.
<http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/specials/manuals/all/S33>
or:
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170288242398>
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110442312836>

I have a customer that still uses his Deskjet 500. I must have
refilled his 5 black cartridges at least 10 times each and it never
clogs. The trick is to refill it BEFORE you run out of ink. For some
reason, he likes the printer and insists that I keep it running, even
though I have better, faster, and cheaper alternatives. I don't know
what he sees in this printer. Maybe it's the boxy look.


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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann

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On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:26:44 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
<ma...@california.com> wrote:

>As a result of waiting, I've been given an HP LaserJet 5 and an Epson
>C60 [color printer], so still don't need another yet.

I retired my HP LaserJet 5m several months ago. It's basically a
LaserJet 4 Plus in a nicer box and faster raster engine. 600 dpi is
kinda crude as most anything you buy these days will do 1200 dpi. My
main complaint is that the power save feature didn't really turn off
the printer. It sucked power all the time. Still, it was cheap,
reliable, fairly easy to maintain, but slow, crude, a power hog, and a
bad habit of paper jamming at the back rollers. I replaced it with an
HP Laserjet 2200dtn (double sided, 2 trays, network card, 1200dpi) and
am living happily ever after.

I also had an Epson Stylus C60 for a few days. It leaked ink all over
the place, no matter what I did to prevent it. Brand new, with
supplied ink carts. I later ran into the same problem with a
customers C60. I gave up. It's not a common problem, but I seem to
find it all too often.
<http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/forums/laser/13409>

PeterD

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Nov 3, 2009, 8:59:32 AM11/3/09
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:25:30 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:26:44 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
><ma...@california.com> wrote:
>
>>As a result of waiting, I've been given an HP LaserJet 5 and an Epson
>>C60 [color printer], so still don't need another yet.
>
>I retired my HP LaserJet 5m several months ago.

Heck, I've got you beat: I still use an Apple Laserwriter II (HP LJ
II) sometimes. The printer is the only straight path printer and will
print on 80 lb card stock for bin lables! Can't do that with my high
speed laser printers, so the Apple still has a job.

William Sommerwerck

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Nov 3, 2009, 9:56:17 AM11/3/09
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> Heck, I've got you beat: I still use an Apple Laserwriter II (HP LJ
> II) sometimes.

Stop, you're making me cry. I had an LJ II, then a III, both with PostScript
cartridges. I'm still using the 4M I bought over 15 years ago.


Robert Macy

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Nov 3, 2009, 10:53:20 AM11/3/09
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On Nov 2, 6:10 pm, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:03:30 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
>
> <m...@california.com> wrote:
> >Forgot how to print a 'test page'  not the one from MS, but the one
> >built in that tests all the jets.
>
> Press FONT and RESET, or LOAD EJECT while turning on the printer.
> <http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&docnam...>
>
> Digging a bit deeper:
> <http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&docnam...>

> Print a self-test page. Turn the printer off and hold the Font button
> down on the printer's Control Panel; then turn the printer on and
> release the Font button after the printer picks up paper.
>
> >Also, anyone out there have a DeskJet 500 Manual?
> >Operator's and/or Service?
>
> Both.
> <http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/specials/manuals/all/S33>
> or:
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170288242398>
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110442312836>
>
> I have a customer that still uses his Deskjet 500.  I must have
> refilled his 5 black cartridges at least 10 times each and it never
> clogs.  The trick is to refill it BEFORE you run out of ink.  For some
> reason, he likes the printer and insists that I keep it running, even
> though I have better, faster, and cheaper alternatives.  I don't know
> what he sees in this printer.  Maybe it's the boxy look.
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann     je...@cruzio.com
> 150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann     AE6KS    831-336-2558

Thank you.

Running the built-in test page tends to clear out all the jets.

Thanks for the URLs to the manuals

Jeff Liebermann

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Nov 3, 2009, 10:59:41 AM11/3/09
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About 3 years ago, I discovered that only a few of my customers were
still running HP LJII and LJIII printers. So, I cleaned up the few I
had in storage and tried to sell them. No takers. So, I tried to
give them away. No takers. So, I recycled the mess, keeping only the
repair parts collection and toner carts. I did the same with HP LJ4
and LJ5 printers about 6 months ago. The office and storage space was
costing me more than the printers were worth. I even left them by the
roadway with a "free" sign, and found that someone had added a extra
Apple LW2 printer to the pile.

Most of my customers are currently using HP LJ4000/4100 or 4200/4300
series printers. They have their own collection of problems, but are
much faster and more economical to operate (16,000 pages per toner
cart on the 4300). The HP LJ4200 will do 16 to 53 lb paper, so 80 lb
won't work. Speed, smaller footprint, and not having to listen to the
fan cycling all day are the main advantages. Multiple trays, double
sided printing, ethernet, and web admin are other benefits.

For the home, I like the HP LJ2200dtn or LJ2000dn printer.
<http://reviews.cnet.com/laser-printers/hp-laserjet-2200dtn/4505-3159_7-5086439.html>
Available used for about $220 with all options or $100 stripped.

William Sommerwerck

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Nov 3, 2009, 11:26:33 AM11/3/09
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> About 3 years ago, I discovered that only a few of my customers
> were still running HP LJII and LJIII printers. So, I cleaned up the
> few I had in storage and tried to sell them. No takers. So, I tried
> to give them away. No takers.

Anyone who wouldn't take a working 4M for free is nuts. You'd be getting a
high-quality PostScript printer for the cost of a new cartridge.


> So, I recycled the mess, keeping only the repair parts collection
> and toner carts. I did the same with HP LJ4 and LJ5 printers about
> 6 months ago. The office and storage space was costing me more
> than the printers were worth. I even left them by the roadway with a
> "free" sign, and found that someone had added a extra Apple LW2
> printer to the pile.

The 4M is a great printer. I recently printed out a discount coupon with
extremely small fonts (they had to be around 2pt) and the quality was
amazing.

They go for very little on eBay. I doubt you could find a new printer that
good, for that price. The only problem is that not nearly as fast as
"modern" printer.


Robert Macy

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Nov 3, 2009, 3:17:26 PM11/3/09
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On Nov 3, 7:59 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:56:17 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
>
> <grizzledgee...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Heck, I've got you beat: I still use an Apple Laserwriter II (HP LJ
> >> II) sometimes.
>
> >Stop, you're making me cry. I had an LJ II, then a III, both with PostScript
> >cartridges. I'm still using the 4M I bought over 15 years ago.
>
> About 3 years ago, I discovered that only a few of my customers were
> still running HP LJII and LJIII printers.  So, I cleaned up the few I
> had in storage and tried to sell them.  No takers.  So, I tried to
> give them away.  No takers.  So, I recycled the mess, keeping only the
> repair parts collection and toner carts.  I did the same with HP LJ4
> and LJ5 printers about 6 months ago.  The office and storage space was
> costing me more than the printers were worth.  I even left them by the
> roadway with a "free" sign, and found that someone had added a extra
> Apple LW2 printer to the pile.
>
> Most of my customers are currently using HP LJ4000/4100 or 4200/4300
> series printers.  They have their own collection of problems, but are
> much faster and more economical to operate (16,000 pages per toner
> cart on the 4300).  The HP LJ4200 will do 16 to 53 lb paper, so 80 lb
> won't work.  Speed, smaller footprint, and not having to listen to the
> fan cycling all day are the main advantages.  Multiple trays, double
> sided printing, ethernet, and web admin are other benefits.
>
> For the home, I like the HP LJ2200dtn or LJ2000dn printer.
> <http://reviews.cnet.com/laser-printers/hp-laserjet-2200dtn/4505-3159_...>

> Available used for about $220 with all options or $100 stripped.
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann     je...@cruzio.com
> 150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann     AE6KS    831-336-2558

Thanks for the recommendation.

Baron

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Nov 3, 2009, 4:48:11 PM11/3/09
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Robert Macy wrote:

Thats about the only way to get good service life out of it.

> , or waste ink to recharge, Wait, using everyday
> wastes ink, too. So no way to gain. Plus, the cartridges [the ones
> easy to get, cost $30 to $50!!!] Isn't that the price of a desk top
> printer?

Ouch ! C60 carts can be had very cheaply in the UK along with a chip
reseting tool.

> So,I'm back to "that's a niceprinter, but can't use it. "
>
> What is the best priced, high contrast printer out there? Of course
> long lived.

Apart from the DJ500 my other two printers are both Samsung Laser. One
is the ML1440 and the other is a MCX4200 multifunction printer copier.
All three are fully supported by Linux.

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Best Regards:
Baron.

Baron

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Nov 3, 2009, 4:58:57 PM11/3/09
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David Nebenzahl wrote:

> On 11/2/2009 12:59 PM Baron spake thus:
>
>> Robert Macy wrote:
>>
>>> Forgot how to print a 'test page' not the one from MS, but the one
>>> built in that tests all the jets.
>>>
>>> Also, anyone out there have a DeskJet 500 Manual?
>>>
>>> Operator's and/or Service?
>>
>> Wow ! Someone else who still has & uses a Deskjet 500. I've had
>> mine
>> from new just as they came out. Must be getting on for 25 years or
>> so now.
>
> So can you tell me how your printer compares to mine, a DeskJet 932C?
> I have the sneaking suspicion that mine is not as good, but really
> have no idea.
>

Its practically the same printer ! But the 500 only has a single black
(colour, if you change the ink) cartridge. The 932C I think has USB as
well as parallel port inputs. As far as print quality is concerned
yours should be better having 600 dpi as against 300 dpi for the DJ500
plus colour. The DJ500C could do colour but you had to change
cartridges. I belive it was the DJ520 that had both black and colour
cartridges in the same carriage.
The DJ500 also had an RS232 serial port as well. Very handy when
attached to a "Netware PS" !

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Baron.

Robert Macy

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Nov 3, 2009, 5:03:06 PM11/3/09
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Thanks for that recommendation.

Wow, Korea really knows how to make products. That makes 3 Samsung
products [printer, phone, and washing machine] and 1 Genesis Coupe
[auto] I'd like to buy. As soon as I have the money. But, others
must be buying, so K's economy ought to be doing well, eh?

Baron

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Nov 3, 2009, 5:03:56 PM11/3/09
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Absolutely reliable, easy to load paper, easy to repair, built in shelf
to stand your paper punch, stapler etc on. :-)

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

Baron

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Nov 3, 2009, 5:08:26 PM11/3/09
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PeterD wrote:

> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:25:30 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:26:44 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
>><ma...@california.com> wrote:
>>
>>>As a result of waiting, I've been given an HP LaserJet 5 and an Epson
>>>C60 [color printer], so still don't need another yet.
>>
>>I retired my HP LaserJet 5m several months ago.
>
> Heck, I've got you beat: I still use an Apple Laserwriter II (HP LJ
> II) sometimes. The printer is the only straight path printer and will
> print on 80 lb card stock for bin lables! Can't do that with my high
> speed laser printers, so the Apple still has a job.
>

Wasn't that made by HP for Apple ?
The only straight paper path ink jet that I know of was the HP DJ400,
DJ420. That would do 80lb card stock.

>
>>It's basically a
>>LaserJet 4 Plus in a nicer box and faster raster engine. 600 dpi is
>>kinda crude as most anything you buy these days will do 1200 dpi. My
>>main complaint is that the power save feature didn't really turn off
>>the printer. It sucked power all the time. Still, it was cheap,
>>reliable, fairly easy to maintain, but slow, crude, a power hog, and a
>>bad habit of paper jamming at the back rollers. I replaced it with an
>>HP Laserjet 2200dtn (double sided, 2 trays, network card, 1200dpi) and
>>am living happily ever after.
>>
>>I also had an Epson Stylus C60 for a few days. It leaked ink all over
>>the place, no matter what I did to prevent it. Brand new, with
>>supplied ink carts. I later ran into the same problem with a
>>customers C60. I gave up. It's not a common problem, but I seem to
>>find it all too often.
>><http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/forums/laser/13409>

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

Jeff Liebermann

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Nov 3, 2009, 7:28:28 PM11/3/09
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:08:26 +0000, Baron
<baron....@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:

>> Heck, I've got you beat: I still use an Apple Laserwriter II (HP LJ
>> II) sometimes. The printer is the only straight path printer and will
>> print on 80 lb card stock for bin lables! Can't do that with my high
>> speed laser printers, so the Apple still has a job.

>Wasn't that made by HP for Apple ?

No. The Apple LaserWriter II NT/NTX was made by Canon for Apple. The
major SX series mechanical parts are identical to the HP LJII. The DC
contoller board is the same. However, the plastic case, status
lights, button, i/o, and image processor board (controller) are all
very different.
<http://www.printerworks.com/Catalogs/SX-Catalog/SX-AppLW-IINT.html>

>The only straight paper path ink jet that I know of was the HP DJ400,
>DJ420. That would do 80lb card stock.

Any and all inkjet plotters have a straight paper path. If you want
to print on cardboard, an inkjet plotter is the way to do it. However,
they tend to be more expensive than an ordinary inkjet printer.

Most (not all) inkjet printers that claim to print on photo grade
paper, will have a fairly straight paper path. It's usually done by
removing a panel in the rear of the printer. They need a staight
through path because thick photo paper just hates to be curled around
a roller. The clay coated surface will sometimes crack on really
thick and glossy photo paper.

Drivel: Here's a person that prints on balsa wood with an inkjet:
<http://www.parmodels.com/Printed%20Balsa/Printed_Balsa.htm>
and aluminum sheet:
<http://marytaylorart.com/FAQ/inkAID.htm>

David Nebenzahl

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Nov 3, 2009, 7:42:03 PM11/3/09
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On 11/3/2009 1:58 PM Baron spake thus:

> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>
>> So can you tell me how your printer compares to mine, a DeskJet 932C?
>> I have the sneaking suspicion that mine is not as good, but really
>> have no idea.
>
> Its practically the same printer ! But the 500 only has a single black
> (colour, if you change the ink) cartridge. The 932C I think has USB as
> well as parallel port inputs. As far as print quality is concerned
> yours should be better having 600 dpi as against 300 dpi for the DJ500
> plus colour. The DJ500C could do colour but you had to change
> cartridges. I belive it was the DJ520 that had both black and colour
> cartridges in the same carriage.

Yes, the 932C has USB, which was how I was using it. Didn't know it was
that good; I got it because it was about the cheapest thing available at
the time (ca. 2000).

Bob Larter

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Nov 3, 2009, 11:48:53 PM11/3/09
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PeterD wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:25:30 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:26:44 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
>> <ma...@california.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As a result of waiting, I've been given an HP LaserJet 5 and an Epson
>>> C60 [color printer], so still don't need another yet.
>> I retired my HP LaserJet 5m several months ago.
>
> Heck, I've got you beat: I still use an Apple Laserwriter II (HP LJ
> II) sometimes. The printer is the only straight path printer and will
> print on 80 lb card stock for bin lables! Can't do that with my high
> speed laser printers, so the Apple still has a job.

That's venerable Canon SX engine, which is built like a tank & should
last forever if you look after it. They're nice machines to work on too,
unlike many of the newer types. I got rid of my own one (built from
scrapped machines) when I moved from a big place to a small place. I now
run an HP 4M+ with PostScript, which is nearly as solid.

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Bob Larter

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Nov 3, 2009, 11:52:03 PM11/3/09
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William Sommerwerck wrote:
>> About 3 years ago, I discovered that only a few of my customers
>> were still running HP LJII and LJIII printers. So, I cleaned up the
>> few I had in storage and tried to sell them. No takers. So, I tried
>> to give them away. No takers.
>
> Anyone who wouldn't take a working 4M for free is nuts. You'd be getting a
> high-quality PostScript printer for the cost of a new cartridge.

Indeed. And cartridges are still readily available for reasonable prices.

> The 4M is a great printer. I recently printed out a discount coupon with
> extremely small fonts (they had to be around 2pt) and the quality was
> amazing.

<nods> The variable dot size works really well.

> They go for very little on eBay. I doubt you could find a new printer that
> good, for that price. The only problem is that not nearly as fast as
> "modern" printer.

Oh, they still hold up pretty well, & they won't fall to pieces after a
few years the way that modern units will.

Bob Larter

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Nov 3, 2009, 11:53:46 PM11/3/09
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Baron wrote:
> PeterD wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:25:30 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:26:44 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
>>> <ma...@california.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a result of waiting, I've been given an HP LaserJet 5 and an Epson
>>>> C60 [color printer], so still don't need another yet.
>>> I retired my HP LaserJet 5m several months ago.
>> Heck, I've got you beat: I still use an Apple Laserwriter II (HP LJ
>> II) sometimes. The printer is the only straight path printer and will
>> print on 80 lb card stock for bin lables! Can't do that with my high
>> speed laser printers, so the Apple still has a job.
>>
>
> Wasn't that made by HP for Apple ?

No, Canon. HP, Apple & Brother all used the Canon SX engine for 'their'
printers. (Canon's own model numbers using that engine were the LBP8II &
III.)

AZ Nomad

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Nov 3, 2009, 11:21:56 PM11/3/09
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:03:30 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy <ma...@california.com> wrote:
>Forgot how to print a 'test page' not the one from MS, but the one
>built in that tests all the jets.

>Also, anyone out there have a DeskJet 500 Manual?

>Operator's and/or Service?

perhaps a museum?

Why not spend the $25 and get something made in this century?
Limited to printers supported by windows 3.1?

baron

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Nov 4, 2009, 7:21:27 AM11/4/09
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Jeff Liebermann Inscribed thus:

> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:08:26 +0000, Baron
> <baron....@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>> Heck, I've got you beat: I still use an Apple Laserwriter II (HP LJ
>>> II) sometimes. The printer is the only straight path printer and
>>> will print on 80 lb card stock for bin lables! Can't do that with my
>>> high speed laser printers, so the Apple still has a job.
>
>>Wasn't that made by HP for Apple ?
>
> No. The Apple LaserWriter II NT/NTX was made by Canon for Apple. The
> major SX series mechanical parts are identical to the HP LJII. The DC
> contoller board is the same.

Ah, thats why !

> However, the plastic case, status
> lights, button, i/o, and image processor board (controller) are all
> very different.
> <http://www.printerworks.com/Catalogs/SX-Catalog/SX-AppLW-IINT.html>
>
>>The only straight paper path ink jet that I know of was the HP DJ400,
>>DJ420. That would do 80lb card stock.
>
> Any and all inkjet plotters have a straight paper path. If you want
> to print on cardboard, an inkjet plotter is the way to do it. However,
> they tend to be more expensive than an ordinary inkjet printer.
>
> Most (not all) inkjet printers that claim to print on photo grade
> paper, will have a fairly straight paper path. It's usually done by
> removing a panel in the rear of the printer. They need a staight
> through path because thick photo paper just hates to be curled around
> a roller. The clay coated surface will sometimes crack on really
> thick and glossy photo paper.
>
> Drivel: Here's a person that prints on balsa wood with an inkjet:
> <http://www.parmodels.com/Printed%20Balsa/Printed_Balsa.htm>
> and aluminum sheet:
> <http://marytaylorart.com/FAQ/inkAID.htm>
>

It never occurred to me to print on anything other than paper or card
stock.
Thanks for the interesting links. :-)

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

baron

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Nov 4, 2009, 7:24:11 AM11/4/09
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Bob Larter Inscribed thus:

> Baron wrote:
>> PeterD wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:25:30 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>>> <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:26:44 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
>>>> <ma...@california.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As a result of waiting, I've been given an HP LaserJet 5 and an
>>>>> Epson C60 [color printer], so still don't need another yet.
>>>> I retired my HP LaserJet 5m several months ago.
>>> Heck, I've got you beat: I still use an Apple Laserwriter II (HP LJ
>>> II) sometimes. The printer is the only straight path printer and
>>> will print on 80 lb card stock for bin lables! Can't do that with my
>>> high speed laser printers, so the Apple still has a job.
>>>
>>
>> Wasn't that made by HP for Apple ?
>
> No, Canon. HP, Apple & Brother all used the Canon SX engine for
> 'their' printers. (Canon's own model numbers using that engine were
> the LBP8II & III.)
>

Thanks. I hadn't realised that was the case.

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Best Regards:
Baron.

Robert Macy

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Nov 4, 2009, 10:06:33 AM11/4/09
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On Nov 3, 8:21 pm, AZ Nomad <aznoma...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:03:30 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy <m...@california.com> wrote:
> >Forgot how to print a 'test page'  not the one from MS, but the one
> >built in that tests all the jets.
> >Also, anyone out there have a DeskJet 500 Manual?
> >Operator's and/or Service?
>
> perhaps a museum?
>
> Why not spend the $25 and get something made in this century?
> Limited to printers supported by windows 3.1?

send me the $25 and I will

Robert Macy

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Nov 4, 2009, 10:13:31 AM11/4/09
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On Nov 4, 4:21 am, baron <baron.nos...@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:
...snip...

> It never occurred to me to print on anything other than paper or card
> stock.
> Thanks for the interesting links. :-)
>
> --
> Best Regards:
>                 Baron.

Might be interested in seeing the FLATTEST, and most unique, inkjet
target: a layer of plaster of paris. The special ink sets the
particles sprayed and unsprayed particles are sacrificial, to be used
another time.

This printer puts down a thin layer of plaster of paris, sprays that
layer, then new layer of powder is added and sprayed until a 3D
rendering is completed. I've see 6 inch tall items.

Most incredible of all, I've seen this "Printer" make operating gear
sets that are impossible to assemble! The gears all spin intermeshed,
but it would NOT be possible to assemble such a structure, it just has
to come into existence - operating.

Fascinating, that the 'rinter' has better than 3 mil tolerance and the
inks are colored.

[disclaimer: not associated with this firm, nor gain from discussing
it]

See:
ZCorp color 3D rapid prototyping at Autodesk Imagine
http://www.zcorp.com

here in the Bay Area it's repped by
Sales, Northern California, and Nevada
Peak Solutions LLC
900 Cherry Av, Suite 300
San Bruno, CA 94066
Phone 415-846-7839
http://www.peak-solutions-llc.com

baron

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Nov 4, 2009, 11:01:17 AM11/4/09
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Robert Macy Inscribed thus:

A rather unique way of creating prototypes.
Thanks for that fascinating insight.

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Best Regards:
Baron.

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