I need a circuit to shock squirrels
Frank James
squirrels. 3v-9v. Nothing lethal, just a good solid head spinner.
Please post here or email
Brian Boorman
wildlife that is merely trying to survive in a world being dominated and
overrun by homosapiens. Maybe I could test it on you?
--
Brian C. Boorman
Harris RF Communications
Rochester, NY 14610
XYZ.bb...@harris.com
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nite...@powwowmail.com
<XZY.bb...@harris.com> wrote:
>I have a circuit, but it only works on humans who are trying to torture
>wildlife that is merely trying to survive in a world being dominated and
>overrun by homosapiens. Maybe I could test it on you?
>
>>
>> Any battery operated circuit that will deliver a good punch to
>> squirrels. 3v-9v. Nothing lethal, just a good solid head spinner.
Very intelligent -- Are you 12 years old?
Sarlock T.
up so they won't shock birds, but will shock the squirrel. It's a bit
inhumane, but probably beats shooting them.
nite...@powwowmail.com wrote in message
<37614255...@news.concentric.net>...
bc10
Unfortunately we all have our pet( no pun intended ) hates when it comes
to animals. In my family, we like birds and we have several bird-feeders
( constantly under attack by squirrels ) and a bird-table. One of our
neighbours has some bleeding tabby cat which has toasted at least 2
pigeons plus a starling in the last month alone. I know its all natural,
but I could kill the cat and not care very much. These philosophical
questions are all very difficult.
Bruce
Brian Boorman wrote:
>
> I have a circuit, but it only works on humans who are trying to torture
> wildlife that is merely trying to survive in a world being dominated and
> overrun by homosapiens. Maybe I could test it on you?
>
> Frank James wrote:
> >
> > Any battery operated circuit that will deliver a good punch to
> > squirrels. 3v-9v. Nothing lethal, just a good solid head spinner.
> >
Kevin Hoult
My parents' neighborhood is over run with "wildlife that is merely trying to
survive in a world" where all of their natural predators were removed (coyotes,
owls, etc.) and where their food supply was increased one-thousandfold by the
presence of residential garbage containers. I will be the first to agree with
you that it is not the squirrels' fault, and that they are simply responding as
any rodent population would when the predators are removed and the food supply
is increased. This is, however, not a "natural" situation, so I wonder if it is
appropriate to use a "natural" defense of the outcome. I am sure you and I
could scream at one another for years about this, and we can continue in the
alt.tree_huggers_vs_nature_exploiting_jerks.and.how NG, if you wish.
The point about ELECTRONICS, and electronics newsgroups, that I think should be
made is that if some one is asking about a circuit, I feel it would be best if
the criticism of the use of the circuit could come AFTER an electronics based
discussion of the circuit. And yes, I guess that means that if someone requests
a circuit that will vaporize human beings from 100 miles away and protect the
identity of the perpetrator, I would still say "give the technical info first,
and leave the politics/religion/morality stuff for last."
Sample answer - "here is the circuit, here's how it works, and you would be a
complete jerk for using it"
What do some of the other posters think?
Michael Painter
Kevin Hoult <muds...@ricochet.net> wrote in message >
> The point about ELECTRONICS, and electronics newsgroups, that I think
should be
> made is that if some one is asking about a circuit, I feel it would be
best if
> the criticism of the use of the circuit could come AFTER an electronics
based
> discussion of the circuit. And yes, I guess that means that if someone
requests
> a circuit that will vaporize human beings from 100 miles away and protect
the
> identity of the perpetrator, I would still say "give the technical info
first,
> and leave the politics/religion/morality stuff for last."
If you would do that if you knew the human to be vaporized would most likely
be you then you have a sound footing for your argument.
If not then morality has entered the picture and that someone 100 miles away
should be taken into consideration.
Alex Pinkerton
Frank James <ha...@nospam.concentric.net> wrote in message
news:37612ef9...@news.concentric.net...
> Any battery operated circuit that will deliver a good punch to
> squirrels. 3v-9v. Nothing lethal, just a good solid head spinner.
>
> Please post here or email
>
> nite...@powwowmail.com
Problem with squirrels - contact Dutch customs officials or the livestock
handlers at KLM.
Last month they 'shredded' (yes shredded!) 200 live squirrels which had been
illegally imported from China.
The person who did the deed, was reportedly 'just obeying orders'
Some things in Europe never change - especially the people!
Live and let live I say. Try putting regular food treats for the squirrels
in your neighbours garden and after a while the squirrels will ignore you!
Regards
Alex Pinkerton
Harry H Conover
:
: Problem with squirrels - contact Dutch customs officials or the livestock
: handlers at KLM.
:
: Last month they 'shredded' (yes shredded!) 200 live squirrels which had been
: illegally imported from China.
:
: The person who did the deed, was reportedly 'just obeying orders'
:
: Some things in Europe never change - especially the people!
Fortunately, the Brits are not involved with the Dutch in the totally
corrupt and historically inhuman activities of the diamond cartel,
right?
Get a clue guy. Before putting on the holier than thou act, make
sure your own countrymen are without equivalent or worse sin.
Harry C.
Kevin Hoult
Michael Painter wrote:
> Kevin Hoult <muds...@ricochet.net> wrote in message >
> > The point about ELECTRONICS, and electronics newsgroups, that I think
> should be
> > made is that if some one is asking about a circuit, I feel it would be
> best if
> > the criticism of the use of the circuit could come AFTER an electronics
> based
> > discussion of the circuit. And yes, I guess that means that if someone
> requests
> > a circuit that will vaporize human beings from 100 miles away and protect
> the
> > identity of the perpetrator, I would still say "give the technical info
> first,
> > and leave the politics/religion/morality stuff for last."
>
> If you would do that if you knew the human to be vaporized would most likely
> be you then you have a sound footing for your argument.
No problem with that, because I hope (and do believe) that once a person had
accumulated enough knowledge and skill to build such a device, that they would
be intellectually developed enough not to use it. That's why I feel technology
should come before the moralizing. This NG is, I think, is for the genuinely
technologically intellectually curious.
Richard Steven Walz
Then you would simply be stupid and wrong. The "wrong" people use
technology all the time, but that's the way things are supposed to
happen. It's much better to be afraid in the light than in the dark.
That's why wise philosophers have always been in favor of freedom
of speech no matter what the cost!!
-Steve
> That's why I feel
> technology
>should come before the moralizing. This NG is, I think, is for the
> genuinely
>technologically intellectually curious.
>
>> If not then morality has entered the picture and that someone
>> 100 miles away
>> should be taken into consideration.
>
------------------------------------
I've found that the best way to keep the nervous nellies in the dark about
what people know how to do and to get the info to those who ask is to post
requests, ignore all flack, and communicate the info to everyone who emails
you about it or expresses interest publicly. The newsgroup can be used
with full filter on, that is, simply ignore the bastards you don't like,
while developing the means to eliminate them later. The nervous nellies
should actually be glad to have the info above board and out in the open,
because it lets everyone know what is going on, but they are far stupider
than that. And if they throw a fit about it they are actually in a MUCH
worse position, which is Darwin at work, as far as I'm concerned, and
simply fuck 'em all. You can't argue with these people, and if you even let
them have their way too much you'll wind up having to kill a bunch of them
to scare the rest of them. That's what the revolution was about. Change.
These biddies are always afraid of it. But change is inevitable, in all
its forms.
But don't expect to get it from me if you're my political enemy, because
I'm counting on using it on you! And these hypocritical bastards will do
precisely the same for the causes they support anyway, and they'll excuse
it as "not the same thing". Fuck 'em all.
-Steve
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Steve Bell
Frank James wrote in message <37612ef9...@news.concentric.net>...
>Any battery operated circuit that will deliver a good punch to
>squirrels. 3v-9v. Nothing lethal, just a good solid head spinner.
>
>Please post here or email
>
>nite...@powwowmail.com
Why? Here we feed squirrels, also 6 pheasants and their young, a red legged
partridge, they all sit under our office window to be fed peanuts. Since
we've been feeding the squirrels they don't bother with the squirrel proof
bird feeders any more.
Steve Bell
Kevin Hoult
Richard Steven Walz wrote:
> >> Kevin Hoult <muds...@ricochet.net> wrote in message >
> >
Nice talk, Steve. I sincerely appreciate the manner in which you elevated the
quality of the discussion.
Apparently, I am espousing the appropriate position for all the wrong reasons,
but I will count your input as an agreement the tech info should be the primary
component of the posts in an electronics NG, with morality info coming after.
The links that appear in your signature line, by the way, are truly excellent!
I hope all in the NG will click over, because there is some COOL STUFF in there!
jat...@ecn.ab.ca
: Any battery operated circuit that will deliver a good punch to
: squirrels. 3v-9v. Nothing lethal, just a good solid head spinner.
I could let them look at some of the circuits I've designed in the past.
They may not be shocked by my handiwork, but at least they'll be
disgusted....
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* Bernhard Michael Jatzeck *
* *
* jat...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca *
**********************************
Mark Zenier
Alex Pinkerton <alp...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Problem with squirrels - contact Dutch customs officials or the livestock
>handlers at KLM.
>
>Last month they 'shredded' (yes shredded!) 200 live squirrels which had been
>illegally imported from China.
Good for them. Not only do Eastern Grey Squirrels harbor a virus that's
killing off the native red squirrels in the UK, they also harbor some sort
of version of BSE/CJD. A epidemiological study in the east central US
came up the fact that a large percentage of CJD sufferers in that area
had consumed squirrel brain omelets. (One regional food I plan to avoid).
Mark Zenier mze...@eskimo.com mze...@netcom.com Washington State resident
Alex Pinkerton
Harry H Conover <con...@tiac.net> wrote in message
news:7js35o$7...@news-central.tiac.net...
> Fortunately, the Brits are not involved with the Dutch in the totally
> corrupt and historically inhuman activities of the diamond cartel,
> right?
>
> Get a clue guy. Before putting on the holier than thou act, make
> sure your own countrymen are without equivalent or worse sin.
>
Quite, and during the potato famine in Ireland the Scots would offer food
to the starving if they denounced the Catholic church and the Virgin Mary.
One crime amongst many perpetrated by the 'Brits' against their fellow man.
I never for one moment claimed to be 'holier than thou'.
If however you are suggesting that each of us should allow the deeds of our
fathers to make us hold our peace to the wrongs we see around us 'now', then
surely the world would be worse place for us all
You may also care to note that when I said "some people never changed" I
used the word 'European' - not just Dutch.
If you think me judgmental on what KLM did, then indeed you are correct,
because I am - but then, we all are!
Regards
Alex Pinkerton
From Scotland!
Ralph Landry
-Ralph
rla...@haywood.main.nc.us
"If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?"
ICQ# 19545315
Mark Fraser
I don't care whether or not it goes from here to squirrel heaven, or whether or
not it finds Dan Quayle there, I just want the little suckers out of the house.
Patience with the pellet gun hasn't yet yielded the proper coincidence.....
/mark
Mark Fraser
bc10 wrote:
> Nice one!
> Unfortunately we all have our pet( no pun intended ) hates when it comes
> to animals. In my family, we like birds and we have several bird-feeders
> ( constantly under attack by squirrels ) and a bird-table. One of our
> neighbours has some bleeding tabby cat which has toasted at least 2
> pigeons plus a starling in the last month alone. I know its all natural,
> but I could kill the cat and not care very much. These philosophical
> questions are all very difficult.
> Bruce
>
> Brian Boorman wrote:
> >
> > I have a circuit, but it only works on humans who are trying to torture
> > wildlife that is merely trying to survive in a world being dominated and
> > overrun by homosapiens. Maybe I could test it on you?
> >
> > Frank James wrote:
> > >
> > > Any battery operated circuit that will deliver a good punch to
> > > squirrels. 3v-9v. Nothing lethal, just a good solid head spinner.
> > >
> > > Please post here or email
> > >
> > > nite...@powwowmail.com
> >
Harry H Conover
:
: I don't care whether or not it goes from here to squirrel heaven, or whether or
: not it finds Dan Quayle there, I just want the little suckers out of the house.
: Patience with the pellet gun hasn't yet yielded the proper coincidence.....
: /mark
Try seeding the attic floor with mothballs. Little critters (snakes,
squirels, birds, etc.) don't like it and move elsewhere. Just don't use
too much of the stuff, or you'll move elsewhere too! :-)
Harry C.
sam
wrote:
>Any battery operated circuit that will deliver a good punch to
>squirrels. 3v-9v. Nothing lethal, just a good solid head spinner.
>
>Please post here or email
>
>nite...@powwowmail.com
I once saw a design for an electric fence that would work, I think it
involved a car distributor...
I'll have a look for the design.
Hope it won't fry the poor things though :(
Sam from Birmingham, England.
Please remove NOSPAM from my email address to reply.
Christian Fandt
wrote:
>
>I don't care whether or not it goes from here to squirrel heaven, or whether or
>not it finds Dan Quayle there, I just want the little suckers out of the house.
>Patience with the pellet gun hasn't yet yielded the proper coincidence.....
>/mark
>
>
We had Red Squirrels and Chipmunks in the house beginning when it got
cool last fall. I bought a Havahart live trap and trapped them one at
a time. They took a trip outta town to a heavily wooded area. Far
enough out to not hop a bus back home :) Tied a Butternut to the
treadle trigger. Simply drilled thru the nut with 1/4" bit and wired
it to the treadle. This allowed the nut meat aroma to better draw them
to the bait and prevent them from simply stealing the bait without
tripping the trigger. Amazed me that they could steal the bait w/o
tripping the rather sensitive mechanism. They must maintain a very
light touch as a result of entering a strange object.
Simultaneously, no matter *which* method of getting rid of them you
choose, you *must* find any and all possible varmint entrances to your
house, from the tip-top of the roof to even below the ground level at
the foundation, and seal them off. This stopped our problem.
Encouraging neighborhood cats to come hunting around your house should
give you additional help too.
So far, four squirrels and two chipmunks took a ride to new homes. The
trap has been just gathering dust for now.
To keep this on-topic (barely!) I simply wired a lever-actuated
microswitch in a circuit with an LED, current limiting resisitor and
1.5V battery and run the wires from the attic down to the kitchen
cieling. The switch was attached so that the trip lever parts outside
the trap would hit the switch when tripped. I stuck the LED leads
through a ceiling tile joint to give an indication somebody had been
caught.
Dave Selinger
Not Rocky the Flying Squirrel?!!
Dave Selinger
Squirrel can be shocked by telling it that it really is an orphan,
we don't know its birth mother and that it owes the IRS $300,000 in back
taxes. If that doesn't shock it, nothing will.
Russell Shaw
possums and killer koalas...
--
Regards,
Russell
Simon Hoffe
I thought this was a miscellaneous electronics site!! Lets try and keep
within the context of the newsgroup please!! <grin>
Simon Hoffe
<sjh...@nospam.yebo.co.za> South Africa
taco bell chuahua
bc10 wrote:
> Nice one!
> Unfortunately we all have our pet( no pun intended ) hates when it comes
> to animals. In my family, we like birds and we have several bird-feeders
> ( constantly under attack by squirrels ) and a bird-table. One of our
> neighbours has some bleeding tabby cat which has toasted at least 2
> pigeons plus a starling in the last month alone. I know its all natural,
> but I could kill the cat and not care very much. These philosophical
> questions are all very difficult.
> Bruce
>
> Brian Boorman wrote:
> >
> > I have a circuit, but it only works on humans who are trying to torture
> > wildlife that is merely trying to survive in a world being dominated and
> > overrun by homosapiens. Maybe I could test it on you?
> >
> > Frank James wrote:
> > >
> > > Any battery operated circuit that will deliver a good punch to
> > > squirrels. 3v-9v. Nothing lethal, just a good solid head spinner.
> > >
> > > Please post here or email
> > >
> > > nite...@powwowmail.com
> >
Tom MacIntyre
>try it on your penis before testing it on a squirrel
>
Lightning rod?
Tom
Chris
hook a couple bare wires to the capacitor leads, and stretch it out.
when something steps on it, ~ZAP~. I'm not sure how much harm it'll do
to a squirrel. It'll fry ants to a crisp. It's not real great for the
health of slugs, either, though they make great conductors for high
voltages. If you can get Kodak disposables, they automatically
recharge after discharging. watch out, it's about 300 volts, and hurts
quite a bit. The capacitor is usually pretty well charged when you take
them apart.
Don Klipstein
: well, those disposable camera flash circuits might work well... just
: hook a couple bare wires to the capacitor leads, and stretch it out.
: when something steps on it, ~ZAP~. I'm not sure how much harm it'll do
: to a squirrel. It'll fry ants to a crisp. It's not real great for the
: health of slugs, either, though they make great conductors for high
: voltages. If you can get Kodak disposables, they automatically
: recharge after discharging. watch out, it's about 300 volts, and hurts
: quite a bit. The capacitor is usually pretty well charged when you take
: them apart.
These things have a slight chance of killing people. 10 joules or more
at these voltages have a very significant chance of killing someone. I
know these disposable camera photoflash capacitors store a little less
than 10 joules, but I think they still have a chance to kill someone who
got zapped.
As for squirrels? I don't know. Do not count on a perfect survival
rate for people if the survival rate for squirrels is high. Electrocution
is so unreliable that the electric chair depends on an overkill mechanism
or two to kill people:
1. Vital organs actually cook.
2. High current paralyzes breathing long enough to deprive the brain of
oxygen long enough for breathing to not resume when the
electric current is stopped.
Lack of electrocution from a moderately severe shock is similarly
unreliable.
Also note that 300 volts may have unreliable shock effects due to wildly
varying skin condition. 300 volts will usually deliver a nasty shock, but
might not shock much if the skin is dry and especially if it is thick and
dry and the contact area is small. Also, fur may insulate squirrels from
300 volts.
: Frank James wrote:
: > Any battery operated circuit that will deliver a good punch to
: > squirrels. 3v-9v. Nothing lethal, just a good solid head spinner.
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
http://www.misty.com/~don/index.html
Sam Goldwasser
do YOU think they will do to squirrels? :(
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In article <378A919B...@gte.net> Chris <hbdellid...@gte.net> writes:
well, those disposable camera flash circuits might work well... just
hook a couple bare wires to the capacitor leads, and stretch it out.
when something steps on it, ~ZAP~. I'm not sure how much harm it'll do
to a squirrel. It'll fry ants to a crisp. It's not real great for the
health of slugs, either, though they make great conductors for high
voltages. If you can get Kodak disposables, they automatically
recharge after discharging. watch out, it's about 300 volts, and hurts
quite a bit. The capacitor is usually pretty well charged when you take
them apart.
Frank James wrote:
> Any battery operated circuit that will deliver a good punch to
> squirrels. 3v-9v. Nothing lethal, just a good solid head spinner.
>