OT: Good news on the energy front!
Rich Grise
future'
[mind the wrap]
http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2009/07/31/obama-energy-czar-nuclear-power-integral-to-americas-low-carbon-future/28895/
Cheers!
Rich
Buerste
"Rich Grise" <rich...@example.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.11.02....@example.net...
The liberals will freak! They don't WANT cheap, clean energy...what Do they
want? Hmmmm...
Jim Yanik
news:IhKHm.27$oH2...@newsfe10.iad:
Power is what they want;control.
>
>
>
That's very hard to believe,since Obama is on record saying that he would
not allow new nuclear plants without safe storage facilities,and has
already cut funding for Yucca Mountain,effectively killing any "safe
storage" site in the US.(which is badly and urgently needed)
Obama is also on record for saying he wants energy prices to climb
drastically,and that US people need to lower their standard of living.
IMO,that statement is merely a diversion.(another LIE)
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
Gunner Asch
They want total control.
A fascist/marxist/socialist state.
No more, no less.
Gunner
"IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he deserves,
but obviously craves. The most appropriate response, and perhaps the
cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him. An alternative, if
you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his every post,
listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored. Just my $0.02
worth."
Les Cargill
I just hope he can pull it off. It's about damn time.
--
Les Cargill
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
> Obama energy czar: Nuclear power integral to America's 'low-carbon
> future'
Good. I've got my thermonuclear clothes dryer up and running.
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Tim Williams
> Good. I've got my thermonuclear clothes dryer up and running.
One of those would actually be very handy. No more bad foot odor,
nuke the bacteria on your socks!
Tim
Hawke
I'm not a liberal but I do want cheap, clean energy. As long as they put
the nuclear plant right near your house and store the spent uranium
there too I'm all for it. Then we can use the new power grid to bring
the clean power to me.
Hawke
cavelamb
> Rich Grise wrote:
>> Obama energy czar: Nuclear power integral to America's 'low-carbon
>> future'
>
> Good. I've got my thermonuclear clothes dryer up and running.
>
Great things, aren't they!
John Husvar
<7b6304e4-e626-4955...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Tim Williams <tmor...@gmail.com> wrote:
Length of rope to suit site, sunny day = thermonuclear clothes dryer?
Jan Panteltje
P.E." <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote in <4AEFB810...@hovnanian.com>:
>Rich Grise wrote:
>>
>> Obama energy czar: Nuclear power integral to America's 'low-carbon
>> future'
>
>Good. I've got my thermonuclear clothes dryer up and running.
It seems the nuke industry is now in control of the media,
and to boot that, now atacks Al Gore
(and makes the pople anti-clean energy) :-)
This article was published today, Gore on the defence:
'Gore's Dual Role in Spotlight: Advocate and Investor'
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/business/energy-environment/03gore.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
Interesting that this comes from the leftists weenies? LOL,
see how the media manipulate you?
But I am all for nuke power, always was, more people die in coal mining
each year then have ever been killed by nuke accidents.
Would not go so far as to use the nuke waste for an RTC for everybody on the balcony,
but the thought has occurred.
If just nobody would drill in it :-)
Paul Keinanen
wrote:
If that nuclear industry would be able to deliver :-)
The Areva/Siemens 1600 MW power plant OL3 over here was supposed to be
connected to the net this year, but now it appears likely that the
connection will occur in 2012.
Paul
Buerste
"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hcoiaf$c04$2...@aioe.org...
The French reprocess waste into more fuel. Their waste is almost nothing,
they use the fuel differently too. It's said that the waste in a French
reactor that would generate power for a family of four for their lives would
fit in a tea cup. Obama just killed funding for Yucca Mountain, tell me
THAT'S not pure politics! Do some research on the latest technologies.
Randy
<davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>Buerste wrote:
>> "Rich Grise" <rich...@example.net> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2009.11.02....@example.net...
>>> Obama energy czar: Nuclear power integral to America's 'low-carbon
>>> future'
>>>
>I'm not a liberal but I do want cheap, clean energy. As long as they put
>the nuclear plant right near your house and store the spent uranium
>there too I'm all for it. Then we can use the new power grid to bring
>the clean power to me.
>
>
If I lived next door to a nuke plant it would most likely be the least
hazardous thing in my life. As of now I'm about 30-40 miles away.
My former job was most likely the most hardazdous. The greedy exec's
and the union got that sent to China where they know how to handle
hazards, or at least how to hide the bodies.
Thank You,
Randy
Remove 333 from email address to reply.
amdx
"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hcp808$s8d$1...@news.albasani.net...
> On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:56:48 -0800) it happened "Paul
> Hovnanian
> P.E." <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote in <4AEFB810...@hovnanian.com>:
>
>>Rich Grise wrote:
>>>
>>> Obama energy czar: Nuclear power integral to America's 'low-carbon
>>> future'
>>
>>Good. I've got my thermonuclear clothes dryer up and running.
>
> It seems the nuke industry is now in control of the media,
> and to boot that, now atacks Al Gore
> (and makes the pople anti-clean energy) :-)
> This article was published today, Gore on the defence:
> 'Gore's Dual Role in Spotlight: Advocate and Investor'
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/business/energy-environment/03gore.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
>
> Interesting that this comes from the leftists weenies? LOL,
> see how the media manipulate you?
> But I am all for nuke power, always was, more people die in coal mining
> each year then have ever been killed by nuke accidents.
Add to that, the air pollution that causes some people breathing problems
and the mercury in fish caused by coal burning.
Someday we will be able to charge our electric cars and reduce our oil
imports
from the middle east.
HOPE Obama can make this CHANGE in the next three years.
Then outta there!
Mike
rangerssuck
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:53:13 -0500, "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com> wrote:
>
> >"Rich Grise" <richgr...@example.net> wrote in message
> >news:pan.2009.11.02....@example.net...
> >> Obama energy czar: Nuclear power integral to America's 'low-carbon
> >> future'
>
> >> [mind the wrap]
>
> >> Cheers!
> >> Rich
>
> >The liberals will freak! They don't WANT cheap, clean energy...what Do they
> >want? Hmmmm...
>
> They want total control.
> A fascist/marxist/socialist state.
> No more, no less.
>
> Gunner
>
> "IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he deserves,
> but obviously craves. The most appropriate response, and perhaps the
> cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him. An alternative, if
> you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his every post,
> listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored. Just my $0.02
> worth."
Fuck you. Get a job.
cassiope
> Obama energy czar: Nuclear power integral to America's 'low-carbon
> future'
>
>
> Cheers!
> Rich
Sure, let's completely bankrupt the country. Nothing like a power
source that
has never paid its own way after 60-70 years of government R&D,
requires
special exemptions from liability (at taxpayer expense), and has
unresolved
waste and terrorist-threat issues.
What is it about nuclear power that makes so many so-called
libertarians subvert
their own values?
If nuclear power is so great, why can't these mega-companies & private
enterprise
do it without the government subsidies?
Eregon
ad1425...@f1g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> If nuclear power is so great, why can't these mega-companies & private
> enterprise
> do it without the government subsidies?
Lawsuits.
Edward A. Falk
>
>>
>>The liberals will freak! They don't WANT cheap, clean energy...what Do they
>>want? Hmmmm...
I'm a liberal, and that's exactly what I want.
--
-Ed Falk, fa...@despams.r.us.com
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
Rich Grise
> But I am all for nuke power, always was, more people die in coal mining
> each year then have ever been killed by nuke accidents.
More people have been killed in TEDDY KENNEDY'S CAR than have been killed
by nuclear power accidents in the US.
Cheers!
Rich
cavelamb
Except that the nuclear accident in Russia contaminated the whole world...
I'd be more comfortable with civilian nukes - if the Navy were controlling
them...
Jim Yanik
news:Xns9CB876EA...@74.209.131.10:
what subsidies?
Seems gov't puts more obstacles in their way than hands out subsidies.
cassiope
> Eregon <Era...@Saphira.org> wrote innews:Xns9CB876EA...@74.209.131.10:> > ad1425298...@f1g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> If nuclear power is so great, why can't these mega-companies & private
> >> enterprise
> >> do it without the government subsidies?
>
> > Lawsuits.
>
> what subsidies?
> Seems gov't puts more obstacles in their way than hands out subsidies.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> localnet
> dot com
Think of all the R&D - that we continue to pay for. All the work
developing waste treatment methods & facilities. A large part of the
US DoE has, for many years gone towards nuclear energy. And related
to "lawsuits" - the US government is - by statute - limits the
liability of nuclear power facilities. It doesn't protect the nuclear
industry from "little" lawsuits, but if they screw up big-time - you
stand to pay for it, not the companies that made the mess. But the
nuclear industry tells us they can't proceed without these corporate
liability limits. Why is that?
IIRC you are old enough to remember the slogan "to cheap to meter".
Yeah, and we'll get all our money back from Bush's TARP program, too.
See:
http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_and_global_warming/nuclear-loan-guarantees.html
When we think back to how the US government (mostly through military
and space programs) developed technologies that became the basis of
the electronics industry -I suspect that most of us would agree that
this "investment" paid of well in many ways. Many companies now sell
devices and products free of government involvment in their
development or production. It's past time for the nuclear power
industry to get off the dole.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
Yep.
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Hawke
Bad timing. That's when the world is supposed to end.
Hawke
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
That's when CERN will finally be running at full power.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
John Husvar
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hawke wrote:
> > Paul Keinanen wrote:
> >> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:56:39 -0800, Rich Grise <rich...@example.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Obama energy czar: Nuclear power integral to America's 'low-carbon
> >>> future'
> >>>
> >>> [mind the wrap]
> >>> http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2009/07/31/obama-energy-czar-nuclear
> >>> -power-integral-to-americas-low-carbon-future/28895/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers!
> >>> Rich
> >>
> >>
> >> If that nuclear industry would be able to deliver :-)
> >>
> >> The Areva/Siemens 1600 MW power plant OL3 over here was supposed to be
> >> connected to the net this year, but now it appears likely that the
> >> connection will occur in 2012.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >
> >
> > Bad timing. That's when the world is supposed to end.
> >
> > Hawke
>
> That's when CERN will finally be running at full power.
And makes little black holes all over the place
What if the calendar ends at 2012 just because that's where the
mathematicians decided they'd calculated it far enough and went out for
a beer or a good ball game?
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Well, do you put your faith in the musings of a people aptly portrayed
in Mel Gibson's movie?
John Husvar
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, do you put your faith in the musings of a people aptly portrayed
> in Mel Gibson's movie?
?
Nobody
> Except that the nuclear accident in Russia contaminated the whole world...
Which one?
[If you're referring to Chernobyl, that's Ukraine, not Russia.]
nym
Nuclear is a sham. It just looks better than it really is.
I'm a victim of the 'inevitable' conclusion to a nuclear power plant.
Defer the end by refurbishing, 'if possible', or decommission?
Both procedures practically cost the price of building a new one.
Refurbishment is more theoretical than practical since the first
generation of reactors are just coming to that 'inevitable'
conclusion.
We're trying it here in Atlantic Canada, the Candu 6 at Point LePreau
in New Brunswick. We're paying $20m a month (insured) for replacement
power from Quebec (probably), the project is definitely nine months
behind schedule, at the moment, and may be as long as a year before
it's done. IF IT CAN BE! If NOT then somebody has to pay (again) for
the decommissioning. Any guess who that might be?
Hydro, tidal (for coastal regions), wind and solar power are the only
way to go for a sustainable future. Nuclear is going to be a very
messy cleanup for somebody's grandchildren.
The transition from fossil and nuclear to green will be difficult, as
is already proving, but some generation is going to have to bear the
brunt of it. That generation should be us before we go too far the
other way.
nym
I'm not a Yank but I couldn't agree more. :)
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
> When we think back to how the US government (mostly through military
> and space programs) developed technologies that became the basis of
> the electronics industry -I suspect that most of us would agree that
> this "investment" paid of well in many ways.
The US government invented tubes, diodes, transistors,
photolithography, and ICs?
First I've heard of it.
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
don
Glenn Gundlach
Thanks Rich !!! I needed a good laugh.
G²
JosephKK
A small confusion between the former USFSR and the nation.
JosephKK
wrote:
Not those particular things, but take a good look at the things
discovered / created by (essentially 100%) Federally funded research.
Several still patented drugs, much of current surface mount technology
(monolithic multilayer chip capacitors in particular), et frigging
cetera.
krw
wrote:
>On Nov 4, 12:51 pm, cassiope <f...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
I think Russia beat them to it.
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:57:42 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com
But they invented Al Gore first.
krw
wrote:
I thought he was invented by Google.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
Not small if you are Ukranian. Calling them Russian is a good way to start a
fight.
--
Paul Hovnanian pa...@hovnanian.com
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Have gnu, will travel.
cavelamb
> JosephKK wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:11:57 +0000, Nobody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:36:08 -0600, cavelamb wrote:
>>>
>>>> Except that the nuclear accident in Russia contaminated the whole
>>>> world...
>>> Which one?
>>>
>>> [If you're referring to Chernobyl, that's Ukraine, not Russia.]
>>>
>> A small confusion between the former USFSR and the nation.
>
> Not small if you are Ukranian. Calling them Russian is a good way to start a
> fight.
>
You are, of course, right on that.
In fact, calling ANY of the satellite countries Russian is a good way to start
a fight.
But back when it happened, Russia thought they were Russian.