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Anyone know where to get one of these 9-pin mini-DIN connectors?

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Joel Koltner

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Jun 28, 2009, 3:34:32 PM6/28/09
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See: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34079098@N04/sets/72157620545014199/

I'm looking for a replacement connector for a Logitech Z-3 set of
speakers. A 9-pin mini-DIN-type connector is used, and unfortunately the
shield wire between the cable and the actual metal shield was pulled
loose one day when the cable was being pulled too strongly from an odd
angle. I attempted to repair this problem, but I haven't been successful
in anything that's a reliable solution... hence I'm looking to just find
the bare connector and re-terminate the cable.

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-DIN_connector) seems to
think this is a "standard" 9-pin mini-DIN connector, although it doesn't
match what Cui (available from DigiKey) thinks of as their "standard"
9-pin mini-DIN: www.cui.com/pdffiles/MD-90.pd .

Does anyone know where to find a replacement connector?

Thanks,
---Joel

WallyWallWhackr

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Jun 28, 2009, 4:01:28 PM6/28/09
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Can you not simply contact Logitech or any of the other manufacturers
the wiki lists for that connector?

Hell, buying the mouse and chopping it off would be cheaper than all this
hunting and personal time spent looking for the connector.

The Nvidia as well as the Radeon cards both use that as a video out
port, so cables are available from them as well.

Jamie

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Jun 28, 2009, 4:21:01 PM6/28/09
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Joel Koltner wrote:

I through one of those systems away not to long ago because it failed
and not worth repairing in my eyes.

They make different sized DIN plugs/rec that are considered miniature
so you may want to make some measurements.

check below for a rather good place to find plug wiring specs. not sure
yours will be there though.

http://pinouts.ru/


Joel Koltner

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Jun 28, 2009, 4:17:12 PM6/28/09
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WallyWallWhackr wrote:
> Can you not simply contact Logitech or any of the other manufacturers
> the wiki lists for that connector?

I'm severely doubt it: In general Logitech doesn't sell replacement
discrete parts for what they manufacture, and in this particular case
the connector is part of a molded cable so they wouldn't have a regular
non-molded connector available anyway. (I suppose they might have the
complete replacement cable available, but the other ends of the cable
end up soldered down inside of speakers and a volume control --
replacing the connector, if possible, is a lot less work than replacing
the cable.)

> Hell, buying the mouse and chopping it off would be cheaper than all this
> hunting and personal time spent looking for the connector.

It's not a mouse?

> The Nvidia as well as the Radeon cards both use that as a video out
> port, so cables are available from them as well.

If you look at the last Flickr photograph, it has a picture of one of
those. I ohmed it out, though, and it doesn't contact all 9 pins (only
5), so this isn't suitable either.

Thanks for the suggestions,
---Joel

Joel Koltner

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Jun 28, 2009, 4:18:22 PM6/28/09
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Jamie wrote:
> I through one of those systems away not to long ago because it failed
> and not worth repairing in my eyes.

Darn... in this case I'd hate to throw away everything, since other than
the cable connector itself, everything works.

> They make different sized DIN plugs/rec that are considered miniature
> so you may want to make some measurements.

Yeah, so it would seem!

> check below for a rather good place to find plug wiring specs. not sure
> yours will be there though.

I beeped it out so I do have a pinout, but thanks for the link.

---Joel

Dave M

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Jun 28, 2009, 4:28:37 PM6/28/09
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Instead of throwing the thing away, just find a suitable connector pair that
you can use to replace on both sides of the cable... Lots better than
wasting time that obviously isn't producing a direct replacement. If all
pins aren't used in the connectors, just get a pair that has enough pins to
do the job and replace them all.

Cheers,
Dave M


David DiGiacomo

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Jun 28, 2009, 4:44:23 PM6/28/09
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In article <eBP1m.273746$jp1....@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com>,

Joel Koltner <zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>See: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34079098@N04/sets/72157620545014199/
>
>I'm looking for a replacement connector for a Logitech Z-3 set of
>speakers. A 9-pin mini-DIN-type connector is used, and unfortunately the
>shield wire between the cable and the actual metal shield was pulled
>loose one day when the cable was being pulled too strongly from an odd
>angle. I attempted to repair this problem, but I haven't been successful
>in anything that's a reliable solution... hence I'm looking to just find
>the bare connector and re-terminate the cable.

Did you see this?

http://store.mp3car.com/9pin_Mini_din_extension_cable_p/cbl-019.htm

I'd probably just run a separate wire and terminate it under a screw head
or something like that...

WallyWallWhackr

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Jun 28, 2009, 5:36:42 PM6/28/09
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:17:12 -0700, Joel Koltner
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>WallyWallWhackr wrote:
>> Can you not simply contact Logitech or any of the other manufacturers
>> the wiki lists for that connector?
>
>I'm severely doubt it: In general Logitech doesn't sell replacement
>discrete parts for what they manufacture, and in this particular case
>the connector is part of a molded cable so they wouldn't have a regular
>non-molded connector available anyway.

I was talking about the whole cable. It would be a simple part on
their shelf.

> (I suppose they might have the
>complete replacement cable available, but the other ends of the cable
>end up soldered down inside of speakers and a volume control

More likely a bit better engineered than that, but nothing one that
attempted to repair a damaged, jerked cable couldn't handle.


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>replacing the connector, if possible, is a lot less work than replacing
>the cable.)

Not really. Connectors, especially miniaturized types, are very hard
to assemble, and are always best done by folks that have been doing
nothing but that very thing all day long. The intricacies are many. The
other end, however, is likely no more than a few standard connections on
a PCB assembly or even a terminal block (less likely).

>
>> Hell, buying the mouse and chopping it off would be cheaper than all this
>> hunting and personal time spent looking for the connector.
>
>It's not a mouse?

Did you even visit the wiki site, dingledorf? There are several makers
that USE THAT CONNECTOR on there interface cabling.

>> The Nvidia as well as the Radeon cards both use that as a video out
>> port, so cables are available from them as well.
>
>If you look at the last Flickr photograph, it has a picture of one of
>those. I ohmed it out, though, and it doesn't contact all 9 pins (only
>5), so this isn't suitable either.
>
>Thanks for the suggestions,
>---Joel


It depends on what cable you get. Regardless, the connector itself is
available. It had to be manufactured, after all. AND it did get
utilized by more than one maker, and those makers all used the "standard"
type as opposed to one of the non-standard 9-pin configurations. That
means that someone out there makes them so the molded cable makers can
use them.

WallyWallWhackr

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Jun 28, 2009, 5:37:59 PM6/28/09
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:18:22 -0700, Joel Koltner
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Darn... in this case I'd hate to throw away everything, since other than
>the cable connector itself, everything works.


Wire past it then. HARD wire the thing, and you could snip the cable
and put your own interconnect in as well. Easy, greasy, japanesy.

Joel Koltner

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Jun 29, 2009, 12:08:47 AM6/29/09
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No, but in looking closely, that one is different: The top row of three
pins has one of the pins staggered rather than all equally spaced.
(This is more easily seen examining the sockets rather than the plugs).
But thanks for the idea!

---Joel

Joel Koltner

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Jun 29, 2009, 12:11:03 AM6/29/09
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Dave M wrote:
> Instead of throwing the thing away, just find a suitable connector pair that
> you can use to replace on both sides of the cable... Lots better than
> wasting time that obviously isn't producing a direct replacement.

Yeah, I thought of that, but I took the screws on the rear cover plate
off and everything is still held together by various
soldered-down/crimped on cables: It definitely wasn't *meant* to ever be
disassembled once it left the factory. :-(

Hence, it'll take more time to completely re-connectorize the thing than
to just replace a single 9-pin mini-DIN cable, but I might just have to
do that if I can't find a replacement.

---Joel

Joel Koltner

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Jun 29, 2009, 12:18:02 AM6/29/09
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WallyWallWhackr wrote:
> I was talking about the whole cable. It would be a simple part on
> their shelf.

OK, I'll give them a call tomorrow and ask.

I'll be absolutely shocked if they sell it; I'll post back what they say.

> Did you even visit the wiki site, dingledorf? There are several makers
> that USE THAT CONNECTOR on there interface cabling.

Yeah, but that's a big difference from being able to get a discrete
connector: Any manufacturer with volume is using molded cables, so
"generic" connectors are harder to come by, particularly for those such
as this that were never that common relative to, e.g., D-subs.

> It depends on what cable you get.

Sure, and that's why I took a chance on the one I have, only to discover
only 5 pins go anywhere. But if you know of a cable that has all 9 pins
connecting to individual wires, I'm absolutely up for cutting and
splicing such a cable.

> That
> means that someone out there makes them so the molded cable makers can
> use them.

The fact that cable makers can get the inserts to make cables in volume
in no way implies that it's easy for someone to buy just one or two
complete "generic" connectors (the insert plus backshell). If these
were so easy to get ahold of, I expect someone here would have posted a
source by now. (I checked DigiKey, Mouser, and All Electronics... I
should expand my search though, I suppose...)

---Joel

SoothSayer

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Jun 29, 2009, 5:18:03 AM6/29/09
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The 9-pin you linked to on the wiki had a non-symetrical spacing on the
'central' row.

WallyWallWhackr

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Jun 29, 2009, 5:19:33 AM6/29/09
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:18:02 -0700, Joel Koltner
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> I was talking about the whole cable. It would be a simple part on
>> their shelf.
>
>OK, I'll give them a call tomorrow and ask.
>
>I'll be absolutely shocked if they sell it; I'll post back what they say.


There are not "authorized repair facilities" like in the old days with
stereos and TVs anymore, so you are likely right, and they are like Sony,
where it is like pulling teeth to get a part.

WallyWallWhackr

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Jun 29, 2009, 5:21:13 AM6/29/09
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:18:02 -0700, Joel Koltner
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Sure, and that's why I took a chance on the one I have, only to discover
>only 5 pins go anywhere. But if you know of a cable that has all 9 pins
>connecting to individual wires, I'm absolutely up for cutting and
>splicing such a cable.


Evena a cable that uses only five of the nine for the cable, likely
still has a fully pin populated connector.

WallyWallWhackr

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Jun 29, 2009, 5:21:57 AM6/29/09
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:18:02 -0700, Joel Koltner
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>The fact that cable makers can get the inserts to make cables in volume
>in no way implies that it's easy for someone to buy just one or two
>complete "generic" connectors (the insert plus backshell). If these
>were so easy to get ahold of, I expect someone here would have posted a
>source by now. (I checked DigiKey, Mouser, and All Electronics... I
>should expand my search though, I suppose...)


Which is why hunting up a cable is likely easier.

whit3rd

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Jun 29, 2009, 11:44:59 AM6/29/09
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The connector here is a mini-DIN 8 connector with an added
ninth wire. So, if you don't need the ninth wire, you can use a
miniDIN-8
to replace your faulty cable.

Apple used this connector when they added a power pin to their
serial port, and all the old Geoport modem/telecom-adapter
gizmos have similar plugs, you could salvage a cord from
one of those (if you can find 'em).

It might be possible to trim away the potting and rebuild the
connector
you have, if it's only the shield wire that's at fault; a miniDIN-8
connector has all the parts you'll need, except the block-o-pins
insert (which may be intact in the broken unit).

Joerg

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Jun 29, 2009, 8:26:22 PM6/29/09
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Could it be this one? Digikey has them, CP-2090-ND:

http://www.cui.com/pdffiles/MD-90.pdf

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