Guess what I just had to re-boot...

Jim Thompson

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Dec 27, 2009, 2:58:49 PM12/27/09

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Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
won't run.

I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.

So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
becomes responsive ;-)

Martin Riddle

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Dec 27, 2009, 3:12:12 PM12/27/09

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"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com/Snicker>
wrote in message news:atefj5pp62botknmf...@4ax.com...

> Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>
> Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
> won't run.
>
> I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>
> So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
> becomes responsive ;-)
>
> So much for _reliable_ uC functions :-(
>
> ...Jim Thompson
> --

Had the same problem with a dehumidifier, would lock up during thunder
storms.
Some well place decoupling caps , on the Zilog part they used, solved
the problem.

Must have been a college project.

Cheers

krw

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Dec 27, 2009, 3:49:26 PM12/27/09

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:58:49 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote:

>Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>
>Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
>won't run.

At least you can't blame that one on Windows. ...I don't think. :-(

>I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>
>So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
>becomes responsive ;-)

Maybe that's why our dishwasher has a wall switch. ;-)

>So much for _reliable_ uC functions :-(

Did you ever doubt it?

Jim Thompson

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Dec 27, 2009, 4:37:01 PM12/27/09

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In nearly 50 years of marriage (March 31), this is the first time I've
had to reboot a _dishwasher_ :-(

Help save the environment!
Please dispose of socialism responsibly!

Joerg

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Dec 27, 2009, 4:47:40 PM12/27/09

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Jim Thompson wrote:
> Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>
> Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
> won't run.
>
> I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>
> So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
> becomes responsive ;-)
>
> So much for _reliable_ uC functions :-(
>

This is exactly why I asked the appliance shop guy for a dishwasher with
real "ka-clonk" buttons and no electronics behind them. "What, you
really want ..." ... "Yes."

I had to reboot our DTV converter boxes at times. When you see register
settings in hex show up on the screen it's that time again.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

RFI-EMI-GUY

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Dec 27, 2009, 4:59:47 PM12/27/09

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Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:49:26 -0600, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:58:49 -0700, Jim Thompson
>> <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote:
>>
>>> Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>>>
>>> Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
>>> won't run.
>> At least you can't blame that one on Windows. ...I don't think. :-(
>>
>>> I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>>>
>>> So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
>>> becomes responsive ;-)
>> Maybe that's why our dishwasher has a wall switch. ;-)
>>
>>> So much for _reliable_ uC functions :-(
>> Did you ever doubt it?
>
> In nearly 50 years of marriage (March 31), this is the first time I've
> had to reboot a _dishwasher_ :-(
>
> ...Jim Thompson

Be glad you didn't buy LG dishwasher. I have had to reboot mine and as
well, immediately under warranty LG replaced the controller board (which
I kept as spare as it wasn't the problem), the level switches, the vent
assembly, the heater (poor appliance repairman switched on power with
water off), the pump motor, should I go on?. It works now but still
condenses a ton of water onto the floor during the drying cycle.

All of this energy efficient design is not what it is cracked up to be
when comparing to 25 year old GE technology that actually worked up
until the day the wife decided "it was old and clunky".

--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"�

"Use only Genuine Interocitor Parts" Tom Servo ;-P

Ian Bell

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Dec 27, 2009, 5:16:06 PM12/27/09

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I used to make a decent living fixing micro-controller designs that
other folks screwed up. Principally vending machines used in industrial
environments with little or no decoupling and interrupt routines that
vectored off into hyperspace if 'impossible' conditions occurred.

Seems they still have not learned.

Cheers

Ian

krw

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Dec 27, 2009, 5:18:05 PM12/27/09

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:37:01 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote:

>On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:49:26 -0600, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:58:49 -0700, Jim Thompson
>><To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote:
>>
>>>Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>>>
>>>Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
>>>won't run.
>>
>>At least you can't blame that one on Windows. ...I don't think. :-(
>>
>>>I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>>>
>>>So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
>>>becomes responsive ;-)
>>
>>Maybe that's why our dishwasher has a wall switch. ;-)
>>
>>>So much for _reliable_ uC functions :-(
>>
>>Did you ever doubt it?
>
>In nearly 50 years of marriage (March 31), this is the first time I've
>had to reboot a _dishwasher_ :-(

In 50 years, I'm sure it's not the first time SWMBO had to apply the
boot the "dishwasher", though. ;-)

Dishwashers don't scare me as much as refrigerators. Everything but
the cheapest crap is processor controlled, these days.

Joerg

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Dec 27, 2009, 5:20:22 PM12/27/09

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Shhht! Don't spill the beans. I still make (part of) my living doing that.

The topper was a pellet stove with the proof-of-flame sensor in the
wrong place so the 8051 on there wouldn't even get the info in time. And
here I am, a guy with an EE degree, who has to find that out ...

Jim Thompson

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Dec 27, 2009, 6:01:24 PM12/27/09

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:20:22 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

I won a court case demonstrating that a proof-of-flame sensor could
fail due to asynchronous line noise spikes... and fill a Chicago
school house up with natural gas (fortunately on a weekend ;-)

UltimatePatriot

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Dec 27, 2009, 6:16:30 PM12/27/09

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:59:47 -0500, RFI-EMI-GUY <Rhyo...@NETTALLY.COM>
wrote:

Yes. and the invasion of cheaper products will knock our standards down
a bit by proxy as well.

The days of 25 year TVs and 20 year washer and dryer sets and a 20 year
fridge are gone. Hell, even hot water tanks don't last like they used
to.

My fucking milk spoils quicker too, so even THOSE bastards are cutting
corners. UV light ain't that much more expensive. Keep the milk flowing
past slow, and keep the brightness of the UV flooding high.

Jon Slaughter

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Dec 27, 2009, 7:11:19 PM12/27/09

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Jim Thompson wrote:
> Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>
> Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
> won't run.
>
> I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>
> So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
> becomes responsive ;-)
>
> So much for _reliable_ uC functions :-(
>
> ...Jim Thompson

Jim, if your going to post this stuff can you at least prefix it with an
"OT:"?

Paul Hovnanian P.E.

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Dec 27, 2009, 7:47:26 PM12/27/09

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Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>
> Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
> won't run.
>
> I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>
> So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
> becomes responsive ;-)

There's a power switch inside the handle recess.

--
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------------------------------------------------------------------
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extraneous bombastic circumlocution.

krw

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Dec 27, 2009, 8:45:08 PM12/27/09

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Electronics design failures aren't all that OT for an electronics
design group. It certainly beats Windows problems in the T-o-meter
(or bitching about OT Ts).

Phil Hobbs

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Dec 27, 2009, 8:49:30 PM12/27/09

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OTOH I have a LG front loading washer that is the absolute bee's knees.
Our water is obscenely expensive, and the LG is very very careful to
minimize water use--besides doing an excellent job and being much
gentler on clothes, the thing paid for itself in less than 18 months
just in water savings. And it's never needed rebooting.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

John Larkin

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Dec 27, 2009, 8:54:01 PM12/27/09

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:47:40 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>>
>> Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
>> won't run.
>>
>> I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>>
>> So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
>> becomes responsive ;-)
>>
>> So much for _reliable_ uC functions :-(
>>
>
>This is exactly why I asked the appliance shop guy for a dishwasher with
>real "ka-clonk" buttons and no electronics behind them. "What, you
>really want ..." ... "Yes."
>

It's like that with gas ranges. Only the expensive high-end ones can
be had without digital controls.

Our dual GE oven has one section with digital controls and one with an
old-fashioned knob-bulb regulator. Guess which one works.

John

Joerg

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Dec 27, 2009, 9:08:42 PM12/27/09

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It can be worse. Friends have a dual oven with the controller above and
obviously not very heat-tolerant. After they had the third controller
die they gave up on the thing. It gets too expensive and the stuff seems
to be junk electronics anyhow.

While we are at it, SWMBO just told me a couple minutes ago that the
pellet stove kept quitting after the first auger turn. And we have a
guest flying in tonight. Pulled plug, one-mississippi, two-mississippi,
plugged it back in, hit start -> works. It has a 8051 in there which is
great. But obviously the guys programming it were not :-(

When do programmers learn how to handle a watchdog _properly_? Hurumph.

krw

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Dec 27, 2009, 9:15:37 PM12/27/09

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:08:42 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

When the 8051 is operated far enough out of spec to fail, why would
you not expect the watchdog to also fail? Same circuits, ya know.

Joerg

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Dec 27, 2009, 9:23:12 PM12/27/09

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It's within spec. After we got it and I found a wrongly designed sensor
location I checked the whole thing out. Got the Winbond datasheet and
had at it. All kosher. The HW guys seemed to have done a somewhat decent
job. However, it has some weirdly programmed loops in there. So it's all
not very surprising.

I've seen sources of firmware where one of the first lines after the
.include statements was to turn off the WDT. Gave me the goose bumps.

Don Klipstein

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Dec 27, 2009, 11:01:16 PM12/27/09

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Dog-gone it, does that mean that if I get into homeownership, I want gas
ranges made the way they used to make them and now largely no longer do?

Do modern basic gas ranges have digital controls, while all that I ever
used had either electronics only for piezo ignitors or no electronics at
all outside maybe a digital clock?

I think that complicating a simple thing that worked with digital
controls is stepping backwards!!!

The gas ranges I know and knew had mechanical controls, and no active
actual regulation other than the by-mechanical-process-only gas pressure
regulator near the gas meter.

- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)

John Larkin

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Dec 27, 2009, 11:22:52 PM12/27/09

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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:01:16 +0000 (UTC), d...@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

>In article <go3gj5t3j6glkh8d0...@4ax.com>, John Larkin wrote:
>>On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:47:40 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>> Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>>>>
>>>> Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
>>>> won't run.
>>>>
>>>> I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>>>>
>>>> So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
>>>> becomes responsive ;-)
>>>>
>>>> So much for _reliable_ uC functions :-(
>>>>
>>>
>>>This is exactly why I asked the appliance shop guy for a dishwasher with
>>>real "ka-clonk" buttons and no electronics behind them. "What, you
>>>really want ..." ... "Yes."
>>
>>It's like that with gas ranges. Only the expensive high-end ones can
>>be had without digital controls.
>>
>>Our dual GE oven has one section with digital controls and one with an
>>old-fashioned knob-bulb regulator. Guess which one works.
>
> Dog-gone it, does that mean that if I get into homeownership, I want gas
>ranges made the way they used to make them and now largely no longer do?

Probably so. The electronics will usually break in a few years.
All-mechanical ovens can last 100 years.

>
> Do modern basic gas ranges have digital controls, while all that I ever
>used had either electronics only for piezo ignitors or no electronics at
>all outside maybe a digital clock?

Yes. Google gas range and see. The high-end stuff, Wolf and Viking,
have little or no electronics, usually just ignitors. The threshold
for a decent non-electronic gas range is around $2K last time I
looked. We wound up with an NXR, assembled in California from Chinese
sheet metal and German burners.

>
> I think that complicating a simple thing that worked with digital
>controls is stepping backwards!!!
>
> The gas ranges I know and knew had mechanical controls, and no active
>actual regulation other than the by-mechanical-process-only gas pressure
>regulator near the gas meter.

I suppose electronics is cheap, or the average customer is impressed
by buttons and LCDs in their stove.

John

Tim Williams

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:37:32 AM12/28/09

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"John Larkin" <jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:go3gj5t3j6glkh8d0...@4ax.com...

> Our dual GE oven has one section with digital controls and one with an
> old-fashioned knob-bulb regulator. Guess which one works.

Since Dad is fond of cooking, he splurged on a restaraunt grade six burner
monster. Who needs igniters, it has open flames. ;-) Needless to say,
there are no electronics on the thing.

Incidentially, our original cheapass stove was the same way, just made a lot
cheaper (enameled steel top instead of cast iron, etc.). I think all our
gas appliances have pilot lights -- except for the clothes dryer, I suppose.

Tim

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D from BC

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:37:46 AM12/28/09

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:11:19 -0600, "Jon Slaughter"
<Jon_Sl...@Hotmail.com> wrote:

I was guessing those that know electronics on SED/or are well known
are OT prefix exempt.
A sorta special privilege.

Robert Baer

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Dec 28, 2009, 1:38:56 AM12/28/09

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Jim Thompson wrote:
> Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>
> Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
> won't run.
>
> I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>
> So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
> becomes responsive ;-)
>
> So much for _reliable_ uC functions :-(
>
> ...Jim Thompson

No..no...no; you are supposed to use the kick-plate to _literally_
re-boot it.

Charlie E.

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Dec 28, 2009, 1:38:29 AM12/28/09

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:16:06 +0000, Ian Bell <ruffr...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Well, SHMBO has decided to never by another Whirlpool appliance.

We have a gold line stove that came with the house when it was built.
Has a front display and controls, and a nice flat grid over the top.

When we first started it up, there was this fan on the top that turned
on whenever the oven was started. I thought maybe we had a convection
oven. Then, before very long, that fan got EXTREMELY noisy. You
couldn't talk over it. Since it was in warranty, we called in the
repair guys. He comes in, and says that the fan is bad (well DUH!)
and that he would have to order a new one. I ask him what it is for,
and he says "It is to cool the controller." The front mounted control
panel can't stand the heat otherwise!

About a year later, the controller itself goes out! Warranty was only
a year, so, after spending a complete holiday season without an oven,
we finally get it fixed. We 'persuaded' the builder to cover the
repairs. It only took them about four weeks to get the part for it,
and install it...

Then, six months later, the broiler goes out, it won't light. Not
included in warranty for controller repair, will only cost around $200
to get it fixed. We live without a broiler, and go out and buy a
little toaster oven.

Finally, about another four months later, the oven goes out again. It
won't light, either. We buy a new igniter, it doesn't change. It
'sorta' pops, but no lighting. More research, and find out there is
an ignitor spark generator board, separate from the controller. Parts
- $260, labor - $200+. We go out and buy a tabletop convection
oven/rotisserie that will hold a small turkey.

Evidently, their engineers couldn't design a controller and spark
board that can take normally expected temperatures, even with a fan to
cool them!

Charlie

Tim Wescott

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Dec 28, 2009, 1:55:08 AM12/28/09

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:58:49 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

> Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>
> Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO) won't
> run.
>
> I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>
> So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
> becomes responsive ;-)
>
> So much for _reliable_ uC functions :-(
>
> ...Jim Thompson

You've only trusted dishwashers up 'till now 'cause you're an analog guy.

Three engineers are driving down a road when the car suddenly loses all
power. The driver pulls over before the car stops. They sit there
discussing the problem.

The mechanical engineer says "I think we should make sure that the engine
is sucking in air, and that fuel is being delivered".

The electrical engineer says "don't forget to make sure that it's making
a spark!"

The software engineer says "why don't we just open all the doors, close
them, then see if it'll start up?"

--
www.wescottdesign.com

Dave Platt

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Dec 28, 2009, 1:10:13 AM12/28/09

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In article <slrnhjgbc...@manx.misty.com>,
Don Klipstein <d...@manx.misty.com> wrote:

> Dog-gone it, does that mean that if I get into homeownership, I want gas
>ranges made the way they used to make them and now largely no longer do?
>
> Do modern basic gas ranges have digital controls, while all that I ever
>used had either electronics only for piezo ignitors or no electronics at
>all outside maybe a digital clock?

You can still buy the gas-range inserts which use mechanical gas
values, with a piezo igniter system. My wife and I have had one of
these for about a decade, and they still seem to be in the stores.

The faults that have occured with the one we have, were basically
mechanical. One valve failed to shut off properly, a few years ago,
and needed to be replaced. The igniter needles tend to fail after
around 5 years... the ceramic insulation cracks and the spark jumps
across to the metal assembly in the wrong place... fortunately they
aren't expensive and are easily replaced.

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Jim Thompson

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Dec 28, 2009, 10:21:41 AM12/28/09

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Dec 28, 2009, 11:29:52 AM12/28/09

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:47:26 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
<pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:

>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>
>> Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>>
>> Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
>> won't run.
>>
>> I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>>
>> So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
>> becomes responsive ;-)
>
>There's a power switch inside the handle recess.

Not in this one (ASKO). Has only membrane switches along the top edge
of the door. "Power" switch only "arms", close door and it starts...
usually ;-)

We'll never buy another ASKO product. At slightly over a year the
membrane switches were peeling up... NOT covered by warranty :-(

John Larkin

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:44:05 PM12/28/09

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:10:13 -0800, dpl...@radagast.org (Dave Platt)
wrote:

>In article <slrnhjgbc...@manx.misty.com>,
>Don Klipstein <d...@manx.misty.com> wrote:
>
>> Dog-gone it, does that mean that if I get into homeownership, I want gas
>>ranges made the way they used to make them and now largely no longer do?
>>
>> Do modern basic gas ranges have digital controls, while all that I ever
>>used had either electronics only for piezo ignitors or no electronics at
>>all outside maybe a digital clock?
>
>You can still buy the gas-range inserts which use mechanical gas
>values, with a piezo igniter system. My wife and I have had one of
>these for about a decade, and they still seem to be in the stores.
>
>The faults that have occured with the one we have, were basically
>mechanical. One valve failed to shut off properly, a few years ago,
>and needed to be replaced. The igniter needles tend to fail after
>around 5 years... the ceramic insulation cracks and the spark jumps
>across to the metal assembly in the wrong place... fortunately they
>aren't expensive and are easily replaced.

And you can light things with a match and still cook.

John

John Larkin

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:49:36 PM12/28/09

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:11:19 -0600, "Jon Slaughter"
<Jon_Sl...@Hotmail.com> wrote:

Firmware quality, uP crashes, and watchdog philosophy are very much on
topic for most electronics designers these days.

And why have you become our Miss Grundy? There's not so many posts
here that you're going to waste much of your valuable time looking at
the body of the first post of a thread. And besides, some OT posts
actually drift back to electronics.

John

Dave Platt

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Dec 28, 2009, 2:15:12 PM12/28/09

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In article <airhj51tb93nop174...@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>>The faults that have occured with the one we have, were basically
>>mechanical. One valve failed to shut off properly, a few years ago,
>>and needed to be replaced. The igniter needles tend to fail after
>>around 5 years... the ceramic insulation cracks and the spark jumps
>>across to the metal assembly in the wrong place... fortunately they
>>aren't expensive and are easily replaced.
>
>And you can light things with a match and still cook.

That's actually how my wife prefers to start them (with a "butane
match" rather than a one-strike disposable). The sparks from the
electrical igniter sometimes take a few seconds to strike a flame, and
she detests the smell of the odorant in the gas that's released into
the air prior to ignition.

We light our gas fireplace in the same way - it has a pilot flame, but
we get a quicker and surer ignition (with less of a WHOOSHFOOMP) by
using a handheld flame to start it.

Joerg

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Dec 28, 2009, 4:06:59 PM12/28/09

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Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:47:26 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
> <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>
>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>>>
>>> Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
>>> won't run.
>>>
>>> I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>>>
>>> So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
>>> becomes responsive ;-)
>> There's a power switch inside the handle recess.
>
> Not in this one (ASKO). Has only membrane switches along the top edge
> of the door. "Power" switch only "arms", close door and it starts...
> usually ;-)
>
> We'll never buy another ASKO product. At slightly over a year the
> membrane switches were peeling up... NOT covered by warranty :-(
>

Hint: Find out email address of CEO and write email. Boy did that cause
a KABLAM in most cases. Last time it went a bit far. The person that had
screwed up (big time) called immediately and sounded rather choked up.
Like after a serious case of being read the riot act.

Joerg

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Dec 28, 2009, 4:08:08 PM12/28/09

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Isn't that what Archie Bunker did with the TV set? Until one sunny day
it went ouuuiiieeeee ... *PHUT*

Joerg

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Dec 28, 2009, 4:10:17 PM12/28/09

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Other time they drove down a pass when the brakes failed. Scraped along
the guard rail, sparks flying, until stopped. All drenched in sweat.
Software engineer: Let's go back up and try again, see if the error repeats.

krw

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Dec 28, 2009, 7:28:10 PM12/28/09

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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:29:52 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote:

>On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:47:26 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
><pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>
>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>> Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>>>
>>> Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
>>> won't run.
>>>
>>> I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>>>
>>> So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
>>> becomes responsive ;-)
>>
>>There's a power switch inside the handle recess.
>
>Not in this one (ASKO). Has only membrane switches along the top edge
>of the door. "Power" switch only "arms", close door and it starts...
>usually ;-)
>
>We'll never buy another ASKO product. At slightly over a year the
>membrane switches were peeling up... NOT covered by warranty :-(

Not good for a up-scale product. We bought an Electrolux a year ago
and are (so far, anyway) quite happy with it. We're considering the
matching refrigerator, but $3-$3.5K is a little much for me (she will
eventually win). I really like their gas rangers but natural gas
isn't available here.

YD

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Dec 28, 2009, 9:00:39 PM12/28/09

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Late at night, by candle light, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com>
penned this immortal opus:

Shouldn't that be 'close all the windows'?

- YD.
--
Remove HAT if replying by mail.

Jim Thompson

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Dec 28, 2009, 8:07:15 PM12/28/09

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We've had an Electrolux central vacuum for 15 years. No problems
except for when I threw away an O-ring seal when it was so full I
didn't see the O-ring :-(

Joerg

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Dec 28, 2009, 8:24:54 PM12/28/09

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Don Klipstein wrote:
> In article <go3gj5t3j6glkh8d0...@4ax.com>, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:47:40 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>> Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>>>>
>>>> Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
>>>> won't run.
>>>>
>>>> I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>>>>
>>>> So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
>>>> becomes responsive ;-)
>>>>
>>>> So much for _reliable_ uC functions :-(
>>>>
>>> This is exactly why I asked the appliance shop guy for a dishwasher with
>>> real "ka-clonk" buttons and no electronics behind them. "What, you
>>> really want ..." ... "Yes."
>> It's like that with gas ranges. Only the expensive high-end ones can
>> be had without digital controls.
>>
>> Our dual GE oven has one section with digital controls and one with an
>> old-fashioned knob-bulb regulator. Guess which one works.
>
> Dog-gone it, does that mean that if I get into homeownership, I want gas
> ranges made the way they used to make them and now largely no longer do?
>

Essentially, yes. You can still get the good old stuff, meaning sans
electronics. But it'll take a whole lot of research, just like it does
with cars. Except that it's a bit easier with cars because you just look
for models that are popular in places like Africa where things must be
easily repairable.

You might also want to check your local Habitat store, maybe some folks
foolishly replaced grandma's old range with a newfangled high-faluting
digital thang.

[...]

Paul Hovnanian P.E.

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Dec 28, 2009, 8:29:44 PM12/28/09

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Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:47:26 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
> <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>
> >Jim Thompson wrote:
> >>
> >> Guess what I just had to re-boot...
> >>
> >> Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
> >> won't run.
> >>
> >> I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
> >>
> >> So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
> >> becomes responsive ;-)
> >
> >There's a power switch inside the handle recess.
>
> Not in this one (ASKO). Has only membrane switches along the top edge
> of the door. "Power" switch only "arms", close door and it starts...
> usually ;-)

I have an Asko with membrane switches on the front. There is also a
mechanical push on/push off power switch hidden inside the handle
recess. There has to be. Its a code requirement that there be some sort
of 'air break' manual switch on all appliances or 'within sight' of them
for disconnecting purposes.

Its hidden someplace, but its there.

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Jure Newsgroups

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Dec 28, 2009, 10:43:32 PM12/28/09

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"Joerg" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:7psl1r...@mid.individual.net...

also known as "percussive maintenance" .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percussive_maintenance

Jure Z

Martin Riddle

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Dec 29, 2009, 12:17:01 AM12/29/09

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"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com/Snicker>
wrote in message news:relij5p4t9sgujjjp...@4ax.com...

Just picked up a new lux in the spring. Almost couldn�t find them. The
original Electrolux is now Aerus vacuums.
Nothing like the roar of a lux ;D

Cheers

Joerg

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Dec 29, 2009, 12:01:20 PM12/29/09

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AFAIK the very first tube-operated computers came with a little hammer.
It was used to "repair" socket contact issues or occasionally dislodge
junk inside tubes if a bit got "stuck".

John Ferrell

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Dec 29, 2009, 1:33:47 PM12/29/09

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milk spoils quicker too, so even THOSE bastards are cutting
>corners. UV light ain't that much more expensive. Keep the milk flowing
>past slow, and keep the brightness of the UV flooding high.

I live next door to a family owned dairy that processes it own milk. I
know for a fact that their milk will last three weeks. Your milk is
probably shipped across country and is three weeks old before you
receive it!

The Holsteins make good neighbors too!
John Ferrell W8CCW

krw

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Dec 29, 2009, 6:25:43 PM12/29/09

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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:33:47 -0500, John Ferrell
<jferr...@triad.rr.com> wrote:

> milk spoils quicker too, so even THOSE bastards are cutting
>>corners. UV light ain't that much more expensive. Keep the milk flowing
>>past slow, and keep the brightness of the UV flooding high.
>
>I live next door to a family owned dairy that processes it own milk. I
>know for a fact that their milk will last three weeks. Your milk is
>probably shipped across country and is three weeks old before you
>receive it!

We regularly get milk from the store that has dates two weeks out.
It's easily good for a week after that, if kept refrigerated properly.
Most don't keep their refrigerators cold enough and, worse, keep it on
the refer door.

>The Holsteins make good neighbors too!
>John Ferrell W8CCW

Quite a stink at times and a PITA when they decide to take the fence
down and take up residence in my front yard, but otherwise good
neighbors. Certainly better neighbors than the ankle biters next door
here.

Jim Thompson

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Dec 29, 2009, 6:38:23 PM12/29/09

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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:06:59 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:47:26 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
>> <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>> Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>>>>
>>>> Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
>>>> won't run.
>>>>
>>>> I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>>>>
>>>> So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
>>>> becomes responsive ;-)
>>> There's a power switch inside the handle recess.
>>
>> Not in this one (ASKO). Has only membrane switches along the top edge
>> of the door. "Power" switch only "arms", close door and it starts...
>> usually ;-)
>>
>> We'll never buy another ASKO product. At slightly over a year the
>> membrane switches were peeling up... NOT covered by warranty :-(
>>
>
>Hint: Find out email address of CEO and write email. Boy did that cause
>a KABLAM in most cases. Last time it went a bit far. The person that had
>screwed up (big time) called immediately and sounded rather choked up.
>Like after a serious case of being read the riot act.

It's now DOA, so I followed your suggestion. I doubt that it will do
any good. Appears that any link on their website having to do with
warranty is DOA also :-(

MeowSayTongue

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Dec 29, 2009, 6:59:11 PM12/29/09

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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:33:47 -0500, John Ferrell
<jferr...@triad.rr.com> wrote:

Dingledorf. There are very few states with dairy farms that ship milk
hundreds of miles.

Our comes from a local dairy, and that is MORE proof that they are
cutting corners.

Not that you would know a goddamned thing about it, regardless of your
proximity to such a processing facility.

In other words, my guesses about what they are NOT doing are far better
than your guesses about any part of the process.

krw

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Dec 29, 2009, 7:15:42 PM12/29/09

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How can AlwaysWrong *always* be so wrong?

MeowSayTongue

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Dec 29, 2009, 8:00:36 PM12/29/09

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You do not even know what you are jacking off at the mouth about,
K-Tard. So fuck off and die, as usual.

You could not find a store in SD cty that has their milk shipped in
from hundreds of miles away, much less "from across the country".

Make sure your reply is even more retarded than your first stupid post
here was. I am sure it will not pose a problem for you, K-Tard.

Joerg

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Dec 29, 2009, 9:06:29 PM12/29/09

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Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:06:59 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:47:26 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
>>> <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>> Guess what I just had to re-boot...
>>>>>
>>>>> Wife just now comes into my office and says the dishwasher (ASKO)
>>>>> won't run.
>>>>>
>>>>> I check it out, buttons are lit, but no response.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I go to the breaker box, turn it off, turn it back on... Voila! It
>>>>> becomes responsive ;-)
>>>> There's a power switch inside the handle recess.
>>> Not in this one (ASKO). Has only membrane switches along the top edge
>>> of the door. "Power" switch only "arms", close door and it starts...
>>> usually ;-)
>>>
>>> We'll never buy another ASKO product. At slightly over a year the
>>> membrane switches were peeling up... NOT covered by warranty :-(
>>>
>> Hint: Find out email address of CEO and write email. Boy did that cause
>> a KABLAM in most cases. Last time it went a bit far. The person that had
>> screwed up (big time) called immediately and sounded rather choked up.
>> Like after a serious case of being read the riot act.
>
> It's now DOA, so I followed your suggestion. I doubt that it will do

> any good. ...

This guy? You have to write to the big boss at headquarters. If I am not
mistaken it's ASKO AB in Sweden where he seems to be the CEO:

http://se.linkedin.com/pub/staffan-billinger/11/19a/bb1

Email addresses are often closely guarded. One trick is that many people
are members of a sport club or other club. And, tada, unless a guy with
the exact same name works at this comany it looks like his email address
is listed right here. 6th from top, with photo:

http://www.vastgotafotboll.org/nyheter/damprojektilen.htm

(my former boss said I should have worked for the CIA after I found one
of his long lost sports buddies in under 30 seconds ...)

Appears that any link on their website having to do with
> warranty is DOA also :-(
>

This one? Works here:

http://www.askousa.com/customer-care/warranty-information/

Jim Thompson

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Dec 29, 2009, 9:35:33 PM12/29/09

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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:06:29 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Thanks! Sent right off.

>
>(my former boss said I should have worked for the CIA after I found one
>of his long lost sports buddies in under 30 seconds ...)

I can get you into the FBI ;-)

>
>
> Appears that any link on their website having to do with
>> warranty is DOA also :-(
>>
>
>This one? Works here:
>
>http://www.askousa.com/customer-care/warranty-information/

Not if you follow any further links.

Joerg

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Dec 29, 2009, 9:46:42 PM12/29/09

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You are welcome. It might take a week but if you don't get any response
(I always did) then it would really be time to ditch that brand and buy
something else.

>> (my former boss said I should have worked for the CIA after I found one
>> of his long lost sports buddies in under 30 seconds ...)
>
> I can get you into the FBI ;-)
>

Would be nice but I guess I'm too old for that now. I am sometimes
rather surprised about agencies when they say "Oh, we couldn't find any
information about this or that" and then it takes me five minutes. (That
was not the FBI)

>>
>> Appears that any link on their website having to do with
>>> warranty is DOA also :-(
>>>
>> This one? Works here:
>>
>> http://www.askousa.com/customer-care/warranty-information/
>
> Not if you follow any further links.
>

Those also work here, like the link on that page "click here" for older
units:

http://www.askousa.com/en/old-warranty/

Or warranty status:

http://www.askoinfo.com/customercare/service.php

But it is a poorly done web site. Too much fluff, way too slow for this
day and age.

krw

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Dec 29, 2009, 11:01:08 PM12/29/09

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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:00:36 -0800, MeowSayTongue
<MeowSa...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

Because I can't find anywhere in that hell-hole that had milk shipped
a few hundred miles, *no* milk is ever shipped hundreds of miles?
Typical AlwaysWrong Logic.

> Make sure your reply is even more retarded than your first stupid post
>here was. I am sure it will not pose a problem for you, K-Tard.

You continue to be a caricature of yourself, DimBulb.

100WattDarkSucker

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Dec 29, 2009, 11:58:22 PM12/29/09

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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:01:08 -0600, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>> Make sure your reply is even more retarded than your first stupid post
>>here was. I am sure it will not pose a problem for you, K-Tard.
>
>You continue to be a caricature of yourself, DimBulb.
>

K-Tard-W comes through, as predicted.

Message has been deleted

Phil Hobbs

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Dec 30, 2009, 10:41:08 AM12/30/09

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On 12/30/2009 10:32 AM, Fred Abse wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:55:08 -0600, Tim Wescott wrote:
>
>> You've only trusted dishwashers up 'till now 'cause you're an analog guy.
>>
>> Three engineers are driving down a road when the car suddenly loses all
>> power. The driver pulls over before the car stops. They sit there
>> discussing the problem.
>>
>> The mechanical engineer says "I think we should make sure that the engine
>> is sucking in air, and that fuel is being delivered".
>>
>> The electrical engineer says "don't forget to make sure that it's making
>> a spark!"
>>
>> The software engineer says "why don't we just open all the doors, close
>> them, then see if it'll start up?"
>

> Reminds me of a story from years ago;
>
>
> Why does the car not start?
>
> Physicist: "Air is a poor conductor of electricity"
>
> Engineer: "The battery lead is broken"
>

A more illuminating question would be, "Why does the car run?" ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(Physicist, engineer, and amateur theologian)

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

krw

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Dec 30, 2009, 7:09:43 PM12/30/09

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Tell us again how a power meter really measures VA, AlwaysWrong.

100WattDarkSucker

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Dec 30, 2009, 7:38:00 PM12/30/09

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Depends on the meter, asswipe troll.

As you are obviously clueless as to the drawbacks of the earlier
designs, you will certainly not be able to grasp any discussion about
current metering hardware.

The current meters do read inductive loading correctly. There is also a
reduced number of capacitor banks on the grid as well.

Maybe one day, you will get it.

krw

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Dec 30, 2009, 7:55:50 PM12/30/09

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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:38:00 -0800, 100WattDarkSucker
<100WattD...@thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:09:43 -0600, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:58:22 -0800, 100WattDarkSucker
>><100WattD...@thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:01:08 -0600, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Make sure your reply is even more retarded than your first stupid post
>>>>>here was. I am sure it will not pose a problem for you, K-Tard.
>>>>
>>>>You continue to be a caricature of yourself, DimBulb.
>>>>
>>> K-Tard-W comes through, as predicted.
>>
>>Tell us again how a power meter really measures VA, AlwaysWrong.
>
>
> Depends on the meter, asswipe troll.

No, it doesn't, AlwaysWrong. Power meters read, TA-DA! Power.

> As you are obviously clueless as to the drawbacks of the earlier
>designs, you will certainly not be able to grasp any discussion about
>current metering hardware.

No, AlwaysWrong, you're always wrong. No exceptions for
after-Christmas sales (when you're IQ is marked down even lower).

> The current meters do read inductive loading correctly. There is also a
>reduced number of capacitor banks on the grid as well.

They *always* did, AlwaysWrong. The basic design hasn't changed in a
hundred years.

> Maybe one day, you will get it.

Maybe one day you'll get something right, but I doubt it.

Go back to mommy's hamper, DimBulb.

Archimedes' Lever

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Dec 30, 2009, 8:38:17 PM12/30/09

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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:55:50 -0600, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>They *always* did, AlwaysWrong. The basic design hasn't changed in a
>hundred years.

You're a goddamned idiot. They have been using digital meters for
decades.

The old Aluminum disc version is being phased out in every city you
could name, jackass.

krw

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Dec 30, 2009, 8:57:44 PM12/30/09

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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:38:17 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
<OneBi...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:55:50 -0600, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>>They *always* did, AlwaysWrong. The basic design hasn't changed in a
>>hundred years.
>
> You're a goddamned idiot. They have been using digital meters for
>decades.

Oh, the disk types are no longer used? AlwaysWrong does it again!

> The old Aluminum disc version is being phased out in every city you
>could name, jackass.

Bullshit. ...but besides the point. You're ABSOLUTELY, always wrong,
about the disc meters, AlwaysWrong. The read *real* power, not VA.

Joerg

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Jan 4, 2010, 7:42:11 PM1/4/10

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Fred Abse wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:55:08 -0600, Tim Wescott wrote:
>
>> You've only trusted dishwashers up 'till now 'cause you're an analog guy.
>>
>> Three engineers are driving down a road when the car suddenly loses all
>> power. The driver pulls over before the car stops. They sit there
>> discussing the problem.
>>
>> The mechanical engineer says "I think we should make sure that the engine
>> is sucking in air, and that fuel is being delivered".
>>
>> The electrical engineer says "don't forget to make sure that it's making
>> a spark!"
>>
>> The software engineer says "why don't we just open all the doors, close
>> them, then see if it'll start up?"
>
> Reminds me of a story from years ago;
>
>
> Why does the car not start?
>
> Physicist: "Air is a poor conductor of electricity"
>
> Engineer: "The battery lead is broken"
>

Mid-Westerner: It needs a good pull from the John Deere and it'll start.

Joerg

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Jan 4, 2010, 7:48:22 PM1/4/10

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Phil Hobbs wrote:
> On 12/30/2009 10:32 AM, Fred Abse wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:55:08 -0600, Tim Wescott wrote:
>>
>>> You've only trusted dishwashers up 'till now 'cause you're an analog
>>> guy.
>>>
>>> Three engineers are driving down a road when the car suddenly loses all
>>> power. The driver pulls over before the car stops. They sit there
>>> discussing the problem.
>>>
>>> The mechanical engineer says "I think we should make sure that the
>>> engine
>>> is sucking in air, and that fuel is being delivered".
>>>
>>> The electrical engineer says "don't forget to make sure that it's making
>>> a spark!"
>>>
>>> The software engineer says "why don't we just open all the doors, close
>>> them, then see if it'll start up?"
>>
>> Reminds me of a story from years ago;
>>
>>
>> Why does the car not start?
>>
>> Physicist: "Air is a poor conductor of electricity"
>>
>> Engineer: "The battery lead is broken"
>>
>
> A more illuminating question would be, "Why does the car run?" ;)
>

Next one up: "Where do babies come from?" :-)

> Cheers
>
> Phil Hobbs
>
> (Physicist, engineer, and amateur theologian)
>

Good to know that not all engineers are atheists.

--
Have a blessed new year, Joerg

Vladimir Vassilevsky

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Jan 4, 2010, 8:13:27 PM1/4/10

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Joerg wrote:
> Fred Abse wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:55:08 -0600, Tim Wescott wrote:
>>
>>> You've only trusted dishwashers up 'till now 'cause you're an analog
>>> guy.
>>>
>>> Three engineers are driving down a road when the car suddenly loses
>>> all power. The driver pulls over before the car stops. They sit
>>> there discussing the problem.
>>>
>>> The mechanical engineer says "I think we should make sure that the
>>> engine is sucking in air, and that fuel is being delivered".
>>>
>>> The electrical engineer says "don't forget to make sure that it's
>>> making a spark!"
>>>
>>> The software engineer says "why don't we just open all the doors,
>>> close them, then see if it'll start up?"
>>
>>
>> Reminds me of a story from years ago;
>>
>>
>> Why does the car not start?
>>
>> Physicist: "Air is a poor conductor of electricity"
>>
>> Engineer: "The battery lead is broken"
>>
>
> Mid-Westerner: It needs a good pull from the John Deere and it'll start.

An engineer, a doctor and a pastor went to play golf. When they came to
the golf course, they noticed strange group of people slowly walking
around the field. The golf club guy apologized and explained that those
people are blind; so engineer, pastor and doctor have to wait till the
blind people finish with the game.

Pastor:
- "I will pray for those poor people; so may be the God will cure ..."

Doctor:
- "My friend is famous ophthalmologist; we can try advanced medical
methods to restore vision..."

Engineer:
- "Why couldn't they play golf at night?"

VLV

krw

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Jan 4, 2010, 8:38:56 PM1/4/10

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On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:48:22 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Well, DimBulb is a "Christian". ...but then again, he isn't an
engineer.

Paul Hovnanian P.E.

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Jan 4, 2010, 7:50:26 PM1/4/10

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An engineer and a mathematician are being interviewed for a job
position. As a test of solving problems in a crisis, the engineer is
lead into a room with a table, a chair, a pitcher of water on the table
and a trash can with its contents on fire sitting on the floor. The
engineer immediately pours the water into the trash can, extinguishing
the fire.

The mathematician is led into a similar room, but where the burning
trash can is sitting on the chair. He immediately moves the trash can to
the floor, thereby reducing the problem to one previously solved.

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Jan 4, 2010, 9:09:26 PM1/4/10

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An experimental psychologist was testing a physicist, a mathematician,
and an engineer.

He put the three of them in a large room with three beautiful, naked
women at the other end. He said:

"When I blow this whistle you can move half way towards the women. When
I blow it again you can move half way again. I'll keep blowing the
whistle as long as you wish."

The physicist and mathematician left the room in disgust, saying:

"That's an endless infinite series, we'll never get to the women."

The engineer shouted: "Blow the whistle! Blow the whistle!"

"Surely you've learned enough math to know that they're correct."

"I know they're correct, but I also know I can get close enough! Blow
the damn whistle!!!"

--
Virg Wall, P.E.

Jim Thompson

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Jan 4, 2010, 9:17:04 PM1/4/10

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On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:09:26 -0800, VWWall <vw...@large.invalid>
wrote:

The punch line was supposed to be, "Theoretically I can never get
there, but close enough for practical purposes..." ;-)

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Tim Williams

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Jan 4, 2010, 9:26:47 PM1/4/10

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"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com/Snicker>
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> The punch line was supposed to be, "Theoretically I can never get
> there, but close enough for practical purposes..." ;-)

Thing is, physicists ignore pesky terms just as much as engineers do. If
you thought statistical mechanics was hard with the approximations...

Tim

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Jan Panteltje

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On a sunny day (Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:13:27 -0600) it happened Vladimir
Vassilevsky <nos...@nowhere.com> wrote in
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LOL