JLCPCB or PCBWAY panelization

[mkr5000]

I have another question if anyone has had this done.

I have a small board (1.5 x 1.25in) and each board has (4) very common 0805 parts on it that I would like them to assemble, so it would be nice to have a panelized board with a small qty, 6 or 9pcs -- whatever.

I spent an hour trying to figure out how to order something like this on both sites. (I have used pcbway before for single boards). My software doesn't have an automatic panelization option but I see that on both you can have them panelize? -- anyway, the ordering process has me totally pissed from confusion.

Anyone know how I would go about this in their ordering procedure ?
THANKS.

[Rick C]

Not at all familiar with PCBWAY, but JLCPCB will panelize for a small fee. Are you aware that they drill boards with multiple sheets at once by stacking? Are you planning on more than one panel? I guess they will make single boards, but I expect a single panel to add to the cost over a few boards or at least 3 panels. I think 3 is the magic number for the stack.

They are making your boards on a sheet with others, so any special handling costs more.

JLCPCB has a line item in their quote process for panelizing. It might be free if they do it, but for sure there is a charge for building your panels even if there is no added work for them. Do you care what the panels are arranged? How many boards do you want on a panel? How many panels?

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[mkr5000]

I guess what I'm asking is, if I have them panelize, can I submit the art for just one board and request the qty per panel or do I have to send them the entire panelized art?
And if I need to do that, how do I designate the cuts in the art or will they figure it out?

Then there's the assembly part -- their instructions are confusing.
Super easy if you just need single boards though.

[mkr5000]

Ok nevermind just saw something that helps on JLB site.

[Rick C]

I suggest you ask in eevblog.com. There are tons of JLCPCB users there.

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[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

and someone from JLCPCB too

[Rick C]

I tried that with their capabilities info and got nothing useful. I suppose they may be more knowledgeable with the ordering process.

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[Jasen Betts]

I've used PCBWAY panelisation, they'll only do rectangualar panelising.
Vee groove and route are both available. (if you want some crazy tesselation
you'll have to draw that yourself)

Just click "panel by pcbway" and write in the box how you want the panel arranged,
eg "3*3" will get you 9 boards on the panel.

When you order assembly if you order fewer than the
full number of boards assembled they'll send you the excess
boards/panels

Break-away rail is extra board at the edge of the panel, they use this
for their allignment marks and tracking numbers.

selecting "X out" means that if some board in a panel is not
manufactured correctly they'll draw an X on it and assemble the
good boards on the panel. if you don't accept X-out they'll
discard partially defective panels and only send full panels.
You still get the same number of assembled boards.

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Jasen.

[mkr5000]

OK Jasen -- good info thanks. I found something that made more sense but it took forever to find the right page. Like many others, way too much information to sort through to find the basic stuff you need.

[Jon Elson]

mkr5000 wrote:

> I have another question if anyone has had this done.
>
> I have a small board (1.5 x 1.25in) and each board has (4) very common
> 0805 parts on it that I would like them to assemble, so it would be nice
> to have a panelized board with a small qty, 6 or 9pcs -- whatever.
>

PCBway defintely can do this, I just had a board panelized through them.
They have options where you can submit the design to them already step and
repeated, or check a box for them to panelize it (panelize by PCBway).
Yes, it is not quite as obvious as one might want, but it definitely can be
done on their web page.

You may end up having to exchange a few messages with their customer agent
to be sure you get exactly what you want.

Jon

[Clifford Heath]

You've said that twice now, but would you please share which page you found?

CH

[Hul Tytus]

Jon - a question off the track of the subject but... I'm looking for a linux
system that can be used as a basic unix style system. You mentioned using dd & du
in a message some time ago and I'm hoping you can tell what version of linux
you're using. A system in a "USB stick" is attractive also and if you have any suggestions
along those lines it would be appreciated.

Hul

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mkr5000 - if you have an Eagle pc board setup, you can use the group, cut & paste
commands to build a "panel board" with as many duplicate boards as desired. Other
pcboard programs probably have similar capabilites. Then send the gerber for your
(panel) board to the pcb maker and discuss assembley from there.

Hul

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

fredag den 19. marts 2021 kl. 15.47.00 UTC+1 skrev Hul Tytus:
> Jon - a question off the track of the subject but... I'm looking for a linux
> system that can be used as a basic unix style system. You mentioned using dd & du
> in a message some time ago and I'm hoping you can tell what version of linux
> you're using. A system in a "USB stick" is attractive also and if you have any suggestions
> along those lines it would be appreciated.
>

https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#1-overview
> > Jon

[Jon Elson]

Hul Tytus wrote:

> Jon - a question off the track of the subject but... I'm looking for a
> linux system that can be used as a basic unix style system. You mentioned
> using dd & du in a message some time ago and I'm hoping you can tell what
> version of linux you're using. A system in a "USB stick" is attractive
> also and if you have any suggestions along those lines it would be
> appreciated.
>

Yeesh, I use all manner of systems. My main desktop is Ubuntu 12.04, I have
great inertia against updating, due to all the old development tools that I
run. I use a version of Machinekit on Beagle Bones to run motion systems
and
my photoplotter, which uses the PRU microcontrollers to spoon-feed bits to
the laser in real time.

I have a system running Ubuntu 18.04 for the family and some applications
that demand a newer kernel, like the social security Admin., zoom calls and
my covid screening at work.

I run some older Debian systems for CNC on my milling machine.

The Beagle Bones use SD cards for "disk" these seem to work OK. I have some
doubts a USB stick would perform well or last very long as the "disk" on a
general purpose Linux system.

Not sure I have answered your question.

Jon

[Hul Tytus]

Thanks Jon. I don't think you've ansered my question either, but you've added
some pieces to that answer which is appreciated. Do you know if the Debian systems
are still available and, if so, where? And, what is "Beagle Bones"?

Hul

Jon Elson <el...@pico-systems.com> wrote:

[Hul Tytus]

Thanks Lasse. I already have a ubuntu system setup though. I'm now looking
for a system thats not so much a "media system" and more of a plain
jane unix type of system.

Hul

[Rick C]

I think he is talking about the Beagle board line of devices. I think one was called a Beagle Bone and/or a Beagle Bone Black. They were the low cost embedded Linux platform before the rPi hit the streets. They claim to be a better solution for industrial devices. I see a lot of rPi in commercial use.

[Grant Taylor]

On 3/19/21 8:46 AM, Hul Tytus wrote:
> Jon - a question off the track of the subject but... I'm looking for
> a linux system that can be used as a basic unix style system. You
> mentioned using dd & du in a message some time ago and I'm hoping you
> can tell what version of linux you're using. A system in a "USB stick"
> is attractive also and if you have any suggestions along those lines
> it would be appreciated.

Linux is a unix[1] like operating system[2]. As are FreeBSD, NetBSD,
and OpenBSD.

There are *MANY* different Linux distributions. Debian / Ubuntu and Red
Hat Enterprise Linux / CentOS[3] are quite popular distributions. Arch
/ Gentoo[4] are also popular but are for people that want to work on the
guts of their Linux distribution.

Solaris[5] is still around and can run on PCs.

There are a lot of options for Linux / *BSD / Unix.

I would probably recommend that you spend some time and at least look at
Ubuntu. I think it's probably the most user friendly and most inviting.
Debian is quite similar, but has some sharper corners. RHEL & CentOS
are more geared for enterprises and decidedly slow to take up new things
in the name of stability for the enterprise.

Almost all Linux, and *BSD, distributions have a "Live" CD / DVD / USB
drive option. You can download them, write them to a CD / DVD / USB
flash drive, boot them, and try them out.

Knoppix and Kali[6] Linux are common live images.

I hope that I answered your question. Feel free to reply in s.e.d. or
to my email if you would like to discuss further.

[1] Lower case to avoid any trademark issues.
[2] Linux is a kernel. There are many user space programs that make up
many -- what is called a -- Linux /distribution/.
[3] Red Hat (now owns) CentOS and recently changed it significantly,
causing lost of turmoil in the community.
[4] I run Gentoo on my main system. I'm replying from there now.
[5] Solaris has rights to use the Unix trademark.
[6] Kali is geared for hackers, both good and bad. Not the most user
friendly.



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[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

fredag den 19. marts 2021 kl. 23.44.42 UTC+1 skrev Hul Tytus:
> Thanks Lasse. I already have a ubuntu system setup though. I'm now looking
> for a system thats not so much a "media system" and more of a plain
> jane unix type of system.
>

so install the server version or disable the graphical user interface

[Grant Taylor]

On 3/19/21 4:44 PM, Hul Tytus wrote:
> Thanks Lasse. I already have a ubuntu system setup though. I'm now
> looking for a system thats not so much a "media system" and more of
> a plain jane unix type of system.

If you're familiar with Ubuntu, I'd stick with it.

You can use 'tasksel' to remove broad categories of packages from an
Ubuntu (and Debian) system.

You can also do a minimal install. I used to use 'debootstarp' for
minimal / custom installs.

[Jasen Betts]

On 2021-03-19, Hul Tytus <h...@panix.com> wrote:
> Thanks Jon. I don't think you've ansered my question either, but you've added
> some pieces to that answer which is appreciated. Do you know if the Debian systems
> are still available and, if so, where? And, what is "Beagle Bones"?

Debian is is linux distro, you can download sofware for several types
of PC, and other platforms from debian.org, and run it on your PC or
virtual machine, etc.
https://debian.org

BeagleBone is as single board computer that can run linux.
https://beagleboard.org. open-source hardware.

Raspberry Pi is the same sort of thing. (but not open source hardware)

All of the above can also run some version of BSD which is not just
unix like but actually Unix.

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Jasen.

[Hul Tytus]

Thanks Jasen. I'll take a look at debian.org.

Hul

[Flyguy]

Here is a panelization tool for Kicad:
https://hackaday.com/2019/03/12/panelizing-boards-in-kicad/