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Flyguy
Dec 1, 2021, 10:41:03 PM12/1/21
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Anthony William Sloman
Dec 1, 2021, 10:51:39 PM12/1/21
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On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 2:41:03 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/security-camera-video-lapd-hancock-park-robbers-mother-baby-stroller/2770065/
Flyguy loves over-kill.
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> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/security-camera-video-lapd-hancock-park-robbers-mother-baby-stroller/2770065/
Flyguy loves over-kill.
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Fred Bloggs
Dec 1, 2021, 11:21:39 PM12/1/21
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On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:41:03 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/security-camera-video-lapd-hancock-park-robbers-mother-baby-stroller/2770065/
Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation, with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal. Most people are afraid to kill another human being and that's why the gun is worthless.
> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/security-camera-video-lapd-hancock-park-robbers-mother-baby-stroller/2770065/
Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation, with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal. Most people are afraid to kill another human being and that's why the gun is worthless.
Phil Allison
Dec 2, 2021, 12:39:36 AM12/2/21
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Fred Bloggs wrote:
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Plus the assailant does not know who he is up against.
Might be a mild mannered lad ( or lass ) just like Kyle.
...... Phil
===============
>
>
> Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation,
> with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal.
> Most people are afraid to kill another human being and that's why the gun is worthless.
>
** Most people like that do not buy guns in the first place.
>
> Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation,
> with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal.
> Most people are afraid to kill another human being and that's why the gun is worthless.
>
Plus the assailant does not know who he is up against.
Might be a mild mannered lad ( or lass ) just like Kyle.
...... Phil
Rick C
Dec 2, 2021, 8:24:54 AM12/2/21
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Why would you want to shoot someone to protect a diaper bag? I just hope the bag had some dirty diapers in it. Then the robbers could be charged with possession of hazardous material.
Why would anyone think a gun was needed when the only need was to shut the gate behind her?
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amdx
Dec 2, 2021, 1:58:10 PM12/2/21
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On 12/1/2021 9:51 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 2:41:03 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
>> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/security-camera-video-lapd-hancock-park-robbers-mother-baby-stroller/2770065/
> Flyguy loves over-kill.
>
Or maybe not overkill.
> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 2:41:03 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
>> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/security-camera-video-lapd-hancock-park-robbers-mother-baby-stroller/2770065/
> Flyguy loves over-kill.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaffyLzxHnY&t=113s
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0NmCzKtexk&t=124s
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqKrVtqOuRE&t=69s
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLPKwpc_xUs&t=86s
Here a female officer takes out a perp after he shoots at her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLZMT8LPQe0
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Flyguy
Dec 2, 2021, 9:55:53 PM12/2/21
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SNIPPERMAN LOVES to BE killed!
Flyguy
Dec 2, 2021, 10:00:04 PM12/2/21
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1. The Victim.
2. The Defender.
The Victim accepts WHATEVER the perps decide is their fate; the Defender stops the attack. Generally, that once the perps see that the Defender is armed and go on to another victim - FAST! If they don't, they become statistics and there are fewer criminals to prey among law-abiding people. This is THEIR choice.
Flyguy
Dec 2, 2021, 10:04:01 PM12/2/21
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Phil Allison
Dec 2, 2021, 10:10:58 PM12/2/21
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Flyguy wrote:
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The "defender" in your fake scenario has to risk a long jail tern for shooting an unarmed man.
In real life scenarios, there are no witnesses you can rely on and no way to show a court you were justified.
....... Phil
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>
> > Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation,
> with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal. Most people
> are afraid to kill another human being and that's why the gun is worthless.
>
> You have two choices in this situation: you can be:
> 1. The Victim.
> 2. The Defender.
>
> The Victim accepts WHATEVER the perps decide is their fate; the Defender stops the attack.
> Generally, that once the perps see that the Defender is armed and go on to another victim - FAST!
> If they don't, they become statistics and there are fewer criminals to prey among law-abiding people.
> This is THEIR choice.
>
** Way too simplistic - like all your idiot posts.
> > Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation,
> with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal. Most people
> are afraid to kill another human being and that's why the gun is worthless.
>
> You have two choices in this situation: you can be:
> 1. The Victim.
> 2. The Defender.
>
> The Victim accepts WHATEVER the perps decide is their fate; the Defender stops the attack.
> Generally, that once the perps see that the Defender is armed and go on to another victim - FAST!
> If they don't, they become statistics and there are fewer criminals to prey among law-abiding people.
> This is THEIR choice.
>
The "defender" in your fake scenario has to risk a long jail tern for shooting an unarmed man.
In real life scenarios, there are no witnesses you can rely on and no way to show a court you were justified.
....... Phil
Sylvia Else
Dec 2, 2021, 10:58:39 PM12/2/21
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On 02-Dec-21 2:41 pm, Flyguy wrote:
> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/security-camera-video-lapd-hancock-park-robbers-mother-baby-stroller/2770065/
>
Would be pretty good (for me) if I were allowed to carry concealed
weapons, but no one else was. That way, I could defend myself when
necessary without having to worry about the increased likelihood that an
attacker was carrying a gun.
However, I'm pretty sure that legislation along those lines is not going
to be enacted anywhere - not even if gun-loving 'merica.
With that option off the table, I'm probably safer if no one is allowed
to carry a concealed weapon than if everyone is.
Sylvia.
> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/security-camera-video-lapd-hancock-park-robbers-mother-baby-stroller/2770065/
>
Would be pretty good (for me) if I were allowed to carry concealed
weapons, but no one else was. That way, I could defend myself when
necessary without having to worry about the increased likelihood that an
attacker was carrying a gun.
However, I'm pretty sure that legislation along those lines is not going
to be enacted anywhere - not even if gun-loving 'merica.
With that option off the table, I'm probably safer if no one is allowed
to carry a concealed weapon than if everyone is.
Sylvia.
Anthony William Sloman
Dec 3, 2021, 12:55:51 AM12/3/21
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On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 2:04:01 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 5:24:54 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:39:36 AM UTC-4, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > ===============
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation,
> > > > with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal.
> > > > Most people are afraid to kill another human being and that's why the gun is worthless.
> > > >
> > > ** Most people like that do not buy guns in the first place.
> > > Plus the assailant does not know who he is up against.
> > >
> > > Might be a mild mannered lad ( or lass ) just like Kyle.
> > Most places there was no point in the robbery when shooting anyone would have been justified, Texas excluded. Seems in Texas you can shoot people for pretty much anything including wearing a Halloween mask and not go to jail.
> >
> > Why would you want to shoot someone to protect a diaper bag? I just hope the bag had some dirty diapers in it. Then the robbers could be charged with possession of hazardous material.
> >
> > Why would anyone think a gun was needed when the only need was to shut the gate behind her?
>
> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 5:24:54 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:39:36 AM UTC-4, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > ===============
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Unless the victim is prepared to kill the assailants with enthusiasm and without hesitation,
> > > > with a point blank chest shot, the gun is just something else for them to steal.
> > > > Most people are afraid to kill another human being and that's why the gun is worthless.
> > > >
> > > ** Most people like that do not buy guns in the first place.
> > > Plus the assailant does not know who he is up against.
> > >
> > > Might be a mild mannered lad ( or lass ) just like Kyle.
> > Most places there was no point in the robbery when shooting anyone would have been justified, Texas excluded. Seems in Texas you can shoot people for pretty much anything including wearing a Halloween mask and not go to jail.
> >
> > Why would you want to shoot someone to protect a diaper bag? I just hope the bag had some dirty diapers in it. Then the robbers could be charged with possession of hazardous material.
> >
> > Why would anyone think a gun was needed when the only need was to shut the gate behind her?
>
> No country I know of requires its citizens to submit to criminals. The victim has NO IDEA what the perps are going to do to her or her baby - she has EVERY RIGHT to defend herself with WHATEVER MEANS available to her.
If you have to keep life as simple as Flyguy seems to need to, that simple binary choice might be only one that you would bother to think about.
Most advanced industrial countries actively discourage their citizens from carrying guns, and still don't feel the need to imprison as high a proportion of their populations as the US does. Discouraging simple minded half-wits like Flyguy from carrying a concealed gun does seem to have the beneficial side effect of making mas shooting less likely, as well as reducing gun suicides and gun murders by about a factor of ten.
> To think that they were there to steal her DIAPER BAG is downright INSULTING! OF COURSE they are not there to do that, you IDIOT!!
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Rick C
Dec 3, 2021, 1:54:40 AM12/3/21
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Like I said, in most states you will be the criminal for shooting someone who is unarmed and has made no threats against you... unless you are a cop. That's why cops don't want you to have guns. If a cop shows up and you are holding a gun, you will be killed by the cop. It has happened no small number of times, the good guy with a gun gets killed by the cops. Cops hardly ever get in trouble for shooting someone. In fact, it is best if they are killed, then they can't testify.
I can't believe you don't know all this already.
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Rick C
Dec 3, 2021, 1:57:10 AM12/3/21
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DecadentLinux...@decadence.org
Dec 3, 2021, 4:53:36 AM12/3/21
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Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:7ffad6ef-65f3-44d0...@googlegroups.com:
A cop will kill you because less paperwork is done. And it usually
means an administrative leave with pay. Win win for the cop. Once
they decide to mete justice upon you, you get a pair, and if you are
still moving, more.
news:7ffad6ef-65f3-44d0...@googlegroups.com:
means an administrative leave with pay. Win win for the cop. Once
they decide to mete justice upon you, you get a pair, and if you are
still moving, more.
Michael Terrell
Dec 4, 2021, 7:40:07 AM12/4/21
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On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 10:04:01 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
>
>
> No country I know of requires its citizens to submit to criminals. The victim has NO IDEA what the perps are going to do to her or her baby - she has EVERY RIGHT to defend herself with WHATEVER MEANS available to her. To think that they were there to steal her DIAPER BAG is downright INSULTING! OF COURSE they are not there to do that, you IDIOT!!
Sloman isn't a 'citizen', he's a 'subject' that was trained from childhood to be a victim.
Anthony William Sloman
Dec 4, 2021, 8:07:43 AM12/4/21
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Our reaction to the 1996
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)
was to tighten up the rules on gun ownership quite a bit.
" The government initiated a mandatory "buy-back" scheme with the owners paid according to a table of valuations. Some 643,000 firearms were handed in at a cost of $350 million."
It seems to have worked - we haven't had a mass shooting since then. One Australia lunatic had to move to New Zealand before he could buy the guns he used to kill even more people there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
Michael Terrell
Dec 8, 2021, 8:10:03 AM12/8/21
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Anthony William Sloman
Dec 8, 2021, 8:35:33 AM12/8/21
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"Australia has become a “case study for what happens when a country will do anything to keep COVID numbers low.”
It won't actually do "anything" but it does enough to keep case numbers low, which the US couldn't manage.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
puts the US Covid-19 death to data at 2,433 per million. Australia is at 80. If we'd done a better job at quarantining incoming travelers ( and US flight crews) we might have done as well as New Zealand, which is at nine.
Freddie Sayers seems to think that doing enough to do better than the US necessarily involves excessive interference in people's liberties - when what's actually involved is doing it competently enough that the restrictions actually work (which is something the US couldn't manage).
Getting stuck in quarantine for 14 days isn't fun, but not quarantining people properly leads to thousands of unnecessary deaths, which isn't much fun for the people who die. or their relatives.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
Ralph Mowery
Dec 8, 2021, 10:32:30 AM12/8/21
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In article <4aecb416-2cc6-4c2c...@googlegroups.com>,
bill....@ieee.org says...
to call them as the entire population of Australia. We can not or will
not keep them out let alone quarenteen or check them for the virus.
That is part of the reason some common things like the bed bugs are
comming back into the US.
bill....@ieee.org says...
>
> Tucker Carlson doesn't seem to understand what quarantine is supposed to do, and neither does the woman interviewed - which isn't surprising since Tucker Carlson also features on Fox News.
>
> "Australia has become a ?case study for what happens when a country will do anything to keep COVID numbers low.?
> Tucker Carlson doesn't seem to understand what quarantine is supposed to do, and neither does the woman interviewed - which isn't surprising since Tucker Carlson also features on Fox News.
>
>
> It won't actually do "anything" but it does enough to keep case numbers low, which the US couldn't manage.
>
>
>
The US has about as many illegals/ undocummentated or what ever you want
> It won't actually do "anything" but it does enough to keep case numbers low, which the US couldn't manage.
>
>
>
to call them as the entire population of Australia. We can not or will
not keep them out let alone quarenteen or check them for the virus.
That is part of the reason some common things like the bed bugs are
comming back into the US.
Rick C
Dec 8, 2021, 11:11:57 AM12/8/21
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Or maybe you support the quarantine operation and recognize how it prevents covid from spreading around the world or at least in that country?
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Rick C
Dec 8, 2021, 11:18:48 AM12/8/21
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Yes, I'm impressed by your illogic.
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DecadentLinux...@decadence.org
Dec 8, 2021, 7:08:25 PM12/8/21
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Ralph Mowery <rmow...@charter.net> wrote in
news:MPG.3c1a9a13c...@news.eternal-september.org:
> In article
> <4aecb416-2cc6-4c2c...@googlegroups.com>,
> bill....@ieee.org says...
>>
>> Tucker Carlson doesn't seem to understand what quarantine is
>> supposed to do, and neither does the woman interviewed - which
>> isn't surprising since Tucker Carlson also features on Fox News.
>>
>> "Australia has become a ?case study for what happens when a
>> country will do anything to keep COVID numbers low.?
>>
>> It won't actually do "anything" but it does enough to keep case
>> numbers low, which the US couldn't manage.
> The US has about as many illegals/ undocummentated or what ever
> you want to call them as the entire population of Australia.
You're an idiot.
> We
> can not or will not keep them out let alone quarenteen or check
> them for the virus.
Better off hauling all the retarded Trump dumbfucks off to a camp
to let those maskless, vaccine devoid dumbfucks stew in their own
utter stupidity.
> That is part of the reason some common things like the bed bugs
> are comming back into the US.
You're an idiot. Bed bugs have always been around just like rats
and mice and cockroaches.
The news of bedbugs increased, and that made dopey, info scant
dipshits point TrumpTainted, TrumpTarded fingers of blame at groups.
It does not get more stupid than that petty, intelligence devoid shit
that you stupid fucks pull. I think you stink. Has your family
always carried such a foul stench?
See how it feels, punk? You're a goddamned idiot. Your whore
mother brought vermin into the country, and spewed vermin into the
country when she failed to flush you the moment she shat you.
That statement there is far more accurate than the shit you spew,
piece of shit punk.
news:MPG.3c1a9a13c...@news.eternal-september.org:
> In article
> <4aecb416-2cc6-4c2c...@googlegroups.com>,
> bill....@ieee.org says...
>>
>> Tucker Carlson doesn't seem to understand what quarantine is
>> supposed to do, and neither does the woman interviewed - which
>> isn't surprising since Tucker Carlson also features on Fox News.
>>
>> "Australia has become a ?case study for what happens when a
>> country will do anything to keep COVID numbers low.?
>>
>> It won't actually do "anything" but it does enough to keep case
>> numbers low, which the US couldn't manage.
> The US has about as many illegals/ undocummentated or what ever
> you want to call them as the entire population of Australia.
> We
> can not or will not keep them out let alone quarenteen or check
> them for the virus.
to let those maskless, vaccine devoid dumbfucks stew in their own
utter stupidity.
> That is part of the reason some common things like the bed bugs
> are comming back into the US.
and mice and cockroaches.
The news of bedbugs increased, and that made dopey, info scant
dipshits point TrumpTainted, TrumpTarded fingers of blame at groups.
It does not get more stupid than that petty, intelligence devoid shit
that you stupid fucks pull. I think you stink. Has your family
always carried such a foul stench?
See how it feels, punk? You're a goddamned idiot. Your whore
mother brought vermin into the country, and spewed vermin into the
country when she failed to flush you the moment she shat you.
That statement there is far more accurate than the shit you spew,
piece of shit punk.
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org
Dec 8, 2021, 7:10:22 PM12/8/21
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Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
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Anthony William Sloman
Dec 8, 2021, 9:50:54 PM12/8/21
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On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 2:32:30 AM UTC+11, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> In article <4aecb416-2cc6-4c2c...@googlegroups.com>,
> bill....@ieee.org says...
> >
> > Tucker Carlson doesn't seem to understand what quarantine is supposed to do, and neither does the woman interviewed - which isn't surprising since Tucker Carlson also features on Fox News.
> >
> > "Australia has become a ?case study for what happens when a country will do anything to keep COVID numbers low.?
> >
> > It won't actually do "anything" but it does enough to keep case numbers low, which the US couldn't manage.
> >
> The US has about as many illegals/ undocummented or what ever you want
> In article <4aecb416-2cc6-4c2c...@googlegroups.com>,
> bill....@ieee.org says...
> >
> > Tucker Carlson doesn't seem to understand what quarantine is supposed to do, and neither does the woman interviewed - which isn't surprising since Tucker Carlson also features on Fox News.
> >
> > "Australia has become a ?case study for what happens when a country will do anything to keep COVID numbers low.?
> >
> > It won't actually do "anything" but it does enough to keep case numbers low, which the US couldn't manage.
> >
> to call them as the entire population of Australia. We can not or will
> not keep them out let alone quarantine or check them for the virus.
The US Covid-19 epidemic took off in New York, and the strains involved came from Europe, not Mexico.
The undocumented illegal immigrants had mostly arrived long before the epidemic started, and didn't bring Covid-19 with them, much as Trump might have liked to claim that they did.
> That is part of the reason some common things like the bed bugs are coming back into the US.
I'm sure that you like to think so, but massive income inequality is a much more plausible explanation. Getting rid of bed-bugs is mostly about washing your bed-sheets often enough and hot enough, and if you are working two jobs you get casual about this kind of thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_Level_(book)
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