How To Get Rich in Electronics??
D from BC
boxes of electronics parts,
lots of free time,
and thousands of dollars.
Now what?
Go into real estate? :P
D from BC
myreal...@comic.com
British Columbia
Canada
a7yvm1...@netzero.com
> I have test equipment,
> boxes of electronics parts,
> lots of free time,
> and thousands of dollars.
So do I. It's an effective woman repellent as well.
>
> Now what?
Bad news. The chances of getting "rich" in electronics are slim, very
slim.
You can however earn a good living form it.
Forget yachts and loft condos on the waterfront.
Think a paid up car and a single family house in a sleepy suburb.
For example, tonight businessmen, CEOs and stock brokers made millions
in the time it took me to fix a 75$ blender because I felt that
tossing it out is wrong.
It's simple, as a general rule if you work with inanimate objects, you
won't make as much as people who work with people.
John Larkin
Design some really cool small box and sell it on the Internet. People
have done that successfully.
John
D from BC
A cool small box...mmmmm
.
Reminds me of this small box.. It's an inclinometer for ~$50.00
http://ebayitem.com/230305282137
RFI-EMI-GUY
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"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©
"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
"Follow The Money" ;-P
K Ludger
"D from BC" <myreal...@comic.com> wrote in message
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You don't - the sales guy does ok, the CEO & Directors secrete & pilfer the
$$ and the guys that actually do the work keep on working.......
Guys who left school with me 20 years ago that have made it good have all
worked up into "non-productive" managerial positions. The bulk of them have
neither professional or trade qualifications - it beats me!
At least we can fix & design/make our own stuff, then again with the dollars
we earn we need to be able to do that. ;)
Robert Baer
Rent the use of the equipment out at 10% retail per month, like the
big guys, and increase those dollars.
Robert Baer
...like that black box i asked about for phones!
Eeyore
D from BC wrote:
> Now what?
Tell lies. Works a treat !
Graham
Eeyore
K Ludger wrote:
> You don't - the sales guy does ok, the CEO & Directors secrete & pilfer the
> $$ and the guys that actually do the work keep on working.......
Uhuh.
> Guys who left school with me 20 years ago that have made it good have all
> worked up into "non-productive" managerial positions. The bulk of them have
> neither professional or trade qualifications - it beats me!
Never a truer few words said.
> At least we can fix & design/make our own stuff, then again with the dollars
> we earn we need to be able to do that. ;)
Few dollars you mean ?
Graham
Eeyore
a7yvm1...@netzero.com wrote:
> D from BC wrote:
> > I have test equipment,
> > boxes of electronics parts,
> > lots of free time,
> > and thousands of dollars.
>
> So do I. It's an effective woman repellent as well.
Since when was money a woman repellant ? Just awaiting confirmation here
from my mortage company that it's now fully paid off due to early
over-repayments and may even have a surplus.
Working in the rock and roll side of electronics isn't a repellant either
! ;~)
Graham
a7yvm1...@netzero.com
wrote:
> a7yvm109gf...@netzero.com wrote:
> > D from BC wrote:
> > > I have test equipment,
> > > boxes of electronics parts,
> > > lots of free time,
> > > and thousands of dollars.
>
> > So do I. It's an effective woman repellent as well.
>
> Since when was money a woman repellant ?
Since when was "thousands of dollars" money?
Eeyore
a7yvm1...@netzero.com wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > a7yvm109gf...@netzero.com wrote:
> > > D from BC wrote:
> > > > I have test equipment,
> > > > boxes of electronics parts,
> > > > lots of free time,
> > > > and thousands of dollars.
> >
> > > So do I. It's an effective woman repellent as well.
> >
> > Since when was money a woman repellant ?
>
> Since when was "thousands of dollars" money?
Does he own a house ?
Graham
a7yvm1...@netzero.com
wrote:
You mean, does he have a mortgage? That's a liability, not an
investment. Show me the bags full of money from "owning" a house, then
we'll talk.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
[snip]
>
> A cool small box...mmmmm
> .
> Reminds me of this small box.. It's an inclinometer for ~$50.00
> http://ebayitem.com/230305282137
But how many people will be inclined to purchase one?
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
> D from BC wrote:
> > I have test equipment,
> > boxes of electronics parts,
> > lots of free time,
> > and thousands of dollars.
>
> So do I. It's an effective woman repellent as well.
> >
> > Now what?
>
> Bad news. The chances of getting "rich" in electronics are slim, very
> slim.
> You can however earn a good living form it.
> Forget yachts and loft condos on the waterfront.
> Think a paid up car and a single family house in a sleepy suburb.
Slim, but not non-existant. You've got to think up something unique and
useful. And then figure out a way to keep other people from stealing it
from you.
Take a look at Dean Kamen for an example.
Eeyore
a7yvm1...@netzero.com wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > a7yvm109gf...@netzero.com wrote:
> > > Eeyore wrote:
> > > > a7yvm109gf...@netzero.com wrote:
> > > > > D from BC wrote:
> > > > > > I have test equipment,
> > > > > > boxes of electronics parts,
> > > > > > lots of free time,
> > > > > > and thousands of dollars.
> >
> > > > > So do I. It's an effective woman repellent as well.
> >
> > > > Since when was money a woman repellant ?
> >
> > > Since when was "thousands of dollars" money?
> >
> > Does he own a house ?
> >
> > Graham
>
> You mean, does he have a mortgage? That's a liability, not an
> investment. Show me the bags full of money from "owning" a house, then
> we'll talk.
That wasn't what I meant at all. I OWN a house.
Graham
Joel Koltner
news:urb2h4t62s2ornk2f...@4ax.com...
It has a custom LCD and plsatic, so I suspect their initial start-up costs
were north of $5k -- and probably more like >$10k. Still, not a completely
unobtainable sum for someone starting a "garage shop" if they've had good
employment prior. (Also, since that same inclinometer seems to have multiple
"brands," I suspect it was designed/developed overseas initially.)
Hey John, what was your first commercial product? Was there any point where
you had to dig deep into your pockets and come up with some large lump of cash
to get started, or was it just a slow expenditure of modest amoounts of money
over time?
Joel Koltner
news:4911E89B...@hovnanian.com...
> But how many people will be inclined to purchase one?
I was at a woodworking show about a year ago where they had those (albeit
possible a bit cheaper, maybe $40?), and based on how popular they were I
suspect they sold at least a hundred over the course weekend.
(OK, I admit it, I bought one... :-) )
a7yvm1...@netzero.com
Great, where's the money? Until you sell it, it's poker chips. Then
you're homeless. A house is just a house, not money.
a7yvm1...@netzero.com
> a7yvm109gf...@netzero.com wrote:
>
> > D from BC wrote:
> > > I have test equipment,
> > > boxes of electronics parts,
> > > lots of free time,
> > > and thousands of dollars.
>
> > So do I. It's an effective woman repellent as well.
>
> > > Now what?
>
> > Bad news. The chances of getting "rich" in electronics are slim, very
> > slim.
> > You can however earn a good living form it.
> > Forget yachts and loft condos on the waterfront.
> > Think a paid up car and a single family house in a sleepy suburb.
>
> Slim, but not non-existant. You've got to think up something unique and
> useful. And then figure out a way to keep other people from stealing it
> from you.
>
> Take a look at Dean Kamen for an example.
>
He's far away from an "electronics" person. He's an inventor and self-
promoter. He also started all kinds of social clubs.
Ergo, he works more with people, which is my point.
D from BC
<pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>a7yvm1...@netzero.com wrote:
>>
>> D from BC wrote:
>> > I have test equipment,
>> > boxes of electronics parts,
>> > lots of free time,
>> > and thousands of dollars.
>>
>> So do I. It's an effective woman repellent as well.
>> >
>> > Now what?
>>
>> Bad news. The chances of getting "rich" in electronics are slim, very
>> slim.
>> You can however earn a good living form it.
>> Forget yachts and loft condos on the waterfront.
>> Think a paid up car and a single family house in a sleepy suburb.
>
>Slim, but not non-existant. You've got to think up something unique and
>useful. And then figure out a way to keep other people from stealing it
>from you.
>
>Take a look at Dean Kamen for an example.
What more do people want?
Everybody (with money) already has food,shelter and plenty of toys to
play with.
What can one electronics guy do?
Another food dehydrator, an alarm system, another mp3 player.. All
been done..
I think I'll just get stuck with mod'ing existing products..
Make it smaller, faster, cheaper, longer lasting or easier to use.
Like make a segway... that can go 150 miles/hour.. :P
(Convert a motorcycle into a segway..Something goofy like that.)
D from BC
wrote:
An old phrase/saying comes to mind.
'He who pays the piper..plays the tune..'
Like this:
Hire 20 biotech engineers and you can be the inventor of a virus that
kills the plaque bacteria that causes tooth decay.
No more brushing...ever...
John Larkin
It was a pulse coder for fire alarm pull boxes, a replacement for a
clockwork/cam thing. We sold a lot, but it wasn't outrageously
successful, because nobody in the alarm business wants to spend money.
My company grew from about $20K in personal savings, and unemployment
checks. I had a negative income for the first year or so, then just
enough to live for a couple more. Never borrowed, just slowly grew on
earnings. My great insight was to realize that it's better to sell
expensive things than cheap things. Duh.
My big break was when a guy from Los Alamos threw a LeCroy CAMAC 1 ns
TDC module on my desk and said "Can you do this?" Never having done
anything like that, I said "sure."
John
Joel Koltner
Stonethrower
> kills the plaque bacteria that causes tooth decay.
> No more brushing...ever...
Yeah, but it will kill toothpaste industry. I'm almost-sure that plaque
bacteria has been sequenced/synthesized but ***they*** want ***more*** money
on toothpaste ... (therefore, plaque-killing virus MUST wait 'till
***they*** satisfied their need for money out of toothpaste). How about
tooth-brushing-robot? There must be a place for engineers ...
... how on the Earth these days you can earn BIG money if you have honchos
like IBM who are churning out 3000 patents per year? I guess, you can't ...
I mean: we (electronics engineers/technicians) are in a life-long slavery to
upper echelon of chosen ones (managers/owners). They are not smarter ...
they just think we (engineers) are stupider ... [are we?].
Why I'm not a filthy, obscenely, rich manager (yet)? 'Cause, when I was kid,
I was ***playing*** with electronics ...
... in anther words (primarily you, "D from BC"): stop playing with
electronics, play with money. For that, you don't need neither "test
equipment", nor "boxes of electronics parts" nor "lots of free time", just
focus on the last item: thousands of dollars. You may sell equipment and
parts, even a free time, to gain more money (~to play with).
For example you can play with electronics in "different space-time
continuum" like "owning the blue-chip company stocks". That way, you will
chase "twos and threes", not just "zeros and ones" ...
... as Michael Douglas, the actor, says in the "Wall Street" movie: "The
Greed is Good" (IHMO, the word "Good" it's ***too close*** to the word
"God").
--
StoneThrower
www.dgmicrosys.com
D from BC
Yikes .. you make electronics engineers sound like burger flippers at
McDonalds.
btw..
'Greed is Good': Grekko
IIRC there's no 'The' in the quote.
Michael A. Terrell
You mean it works for Eeyore.
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Stonethrower
> McDonalds.
highly-expendable-technical-worker-slash-EE. It's up to each and every one
of us to make ourselves not-so-expendable ... what's better than going
(evolving) from engineer to manager. Once you become manager you stop being
engineer. [...now it sounds like burger-flipping...] ... it's the paradox of
life.
> 'Greed is Good': Grekko
> IIRC there's no 'The' in the quote.
Pardon my 'French', I mean Croatian (born and currently live in Croatia,
even after 10y of 'burger-flipping' [just kidding!!!!] I mean, doing EE in
USA, English is still my secondary-foreign language) ... thanks thou for
correction (really!). [Hopefully, you won't crucify me for mentioning
French]
... nevertheless, I am absolutely positive that you understood and "read
between the line" the subtle meaning of Grekko's immortal "Greed is Good"
speech.
BTW, I'm not trying to be or behave combatant ... I found your posting very
interesting, hence I was merely voicing my perspective. I've been EE for 22
years now, never stopped for a single moment, and still going (and doing
EE).
It's just we are living in a Grekko's world ...
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David L. Jones
> I have test equipment,
> boxes of electronics parts,
> lots of free time,
> and thousands of dollars.
>
Sell your stuff to get extra cash then bet it all on Black - it's a
good omen at present.
Dave.
RFI-EMI-GUY
> D from BC wrote:
> [snip]
>> A cool small box...mmmmm
>> .
>> Reminds me of this small box.. It's an inclinometer for ~$50.00
>> http://ebayitem.com/230305282137
>
> But how many people will be inclined to purchase one?
>
Most who will probably, "aren't on the level".
--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©
"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
"Follow The Money" ;-P
John Larkin
<pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>D from BC wrote:
>>
>[snip]
>>
>> A cool small box...mmmmm
>> .
>> Reminds me of this small box.. It's an inclinometer for ~$50.00
>> http://ebayitem.com/230305282137
>
>But how many people will be inclined to purchase one?
I'm leaning towards it.
John
Eeyore
a7yvm1...@netzero.com wrote:
I means I have no rent or mortgage to pay and therefore my disposable income
is that much higher.
I agree with your general principle btw. Buying a house in the UK has for too
long been considered an investment opportunity whereas it's simply a home that
one day will be all yours.
Graham
Eeyore
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." wrote:
> a7yvm1...@netzero.com wrote:
> > D from BC wrote:
> > > I have test equipment,
> > > boxes of electronics parts,
> > > lots of free time,
> > > and thousands of dollars.
> >
> > So do I. It's an effective woman repellent as well.
> > >
> > > Now what?
> >
> > Bad news. The chances of getting "rich" in electronics are slim, very
> > slim.
> > You can however earn a good living form it.
> > Forget yachts and loft condos on the waterfront.
> > Think a paid up car and a single family house in a sleepy suburb.
>
> Slim, but not non-existant. You've got to think up something unique and
> useful. And then figure out a way to keep other people from stealing it
> from you.
A US truck driver I know (met him in Napster chat rooms originally) I've
kept in contact with on MSN reckons the new power boat he got is a bit of a
chick magnet.
Hardly electronics though. Fancy getting a Peterbilt or similar ? He's got
TWO International Harvesters now and employs a second driver. Doing well I
reckon but the hours can be awfully unsocial.
Graham
Eeyore
D from BC wrote:
> What more do people want?
> Everybody (with money) already has food,shelter and plenty of toys to
> play with.
Oh the truth in that !
Much of what I could spend money on would be frivolous nonsense. I DO fancy
getting a Saab Aero one day though. Trouble would be keeping it under the
speed limit ! They are considered one of the ultimate 'Q cars'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeper_(car)
At least there's less likelihood in one of being nicked by Mr Plod.
Especially when de-badged.
Graham
Michael A. Terrell
I know an Electrical Engineer that is an U.S. House of Representative
for Florida's 6th District, as well as an US Air Force Veteran.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
I think he made his initial money inventing an insulin pump. So, he's
not an 'electronics person' per se. But if you are an electronics whiz,
you invent an electronic gadget. If you are a mechanical whiz, something
mechanical, etc.
The part about being a self promoter is necessary unless you want to
hide in your cellar workshop and let some other promoter make all the
money off your work. It takes quite a bit of initiative to get rich. But
its also important to make connections with the right people. I don't
know about the social club thing. Most of the clubs and professional
societies I've seen don't filter their memberships very well. One can
waste a lot of time plowing through the people who think that a big bar
tab and good game of golf are what it takes to get ahead. I'd rather
make connections with decision makers in an industry not have to deal
with the jerk-offs. People who run the party have to spend time being
nice to everyone.
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
> I know an Electrical Engineer that is an U.S. House of Representative
> for Florida's 6th District, as well as an US Air Force Veteran.
I other words, he wasn't going to get rich as an electrician.
We value people of low calibre these days far beyond people with real practical
skills.
Graham
D from BC
Can I sell you a 555 for $5.00? :)
Just kidding..
Spehro Pefhany
<digi_64-public[removethis]@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hire 20 biotech engineers and you can be the inventor of a virus that
>> kills the plaque bacteria that causes tooth decay.
>> No more brushing...ever...
>
>Yeah, but it will kill toothpaste industry.
Not a concern of yours, except that the toothpaste industry might
(perhaps literally, but probably with legal means) kill you. Expect
suspiciously well-funded and suspiciously media-savvy "grass roots"
organizations to come out and question the safety of the product, just
for starters. Years of being held up with litigation and regulatory
hassles, the stress and resulting heart attack will do the rest.
>I'm almost-sure that plaque
>bacteria has been sequenced/synthesized but ***they*** want ***more*** money
>on toothpaste ... (therefore, plaque-killing virus MUST wait 'till
>***they*** satisfied their need for money out of toothpaste). How about
>tooth-brushing-robot? There must be a place for engineers ...
As "Sheldon" said in the "Jerusalem Duality" episode of _The Big Bang
Theory_, we're the Oompa Loompas of science.
>... how on the Earth these days you can earn BIG money if you have honchos
>like IBM who are churning out 3000 patents per year? I guess, you can't ...
>I mean: we (electronics engineers/technicians) are in a life-long slavery to
>upper echelon of chosen ones (managers/owners). They are not smarter ...
>they just think we (engineers) are stupider ... [are we?].
Different focus, as you say below.
>Why I'm not a filthy, obscenely, rich manager (yet)? 'Cause, when I was kid,
>I was ***playing*** with electronics ...
<snip>
First step, disassociate "filthy" and "rich"! Few people want to be
filthy (I'd say nobody, but some sed scat enthusiast would call me a
liar).
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Spehro Pefhany
And angling for a discount?
Mike Monett
> Like this:
> Hire 20 biotech engineers and you can be the inventor of a virus
> that kills the plaque bacteria that causes tooth decay.
> No more brushing. Ever.
> D from BC
> myreal...@comic.com
> British Columbia
> Canada
Already done. Hold 50ml of 20uS silver ions in your mouth for 10
minutes each morning. Then spit it out.
All the bacteria that cause plaque and tooth decay will die. The
plaque will simply fall off. You won't get any more cavities, and
your dentist will be out of a job.
As a side effect, you won't get any more colds, flu, or cold sores
either. You will also probably never get Shingles (Herpes Zoster),
or any other viral infection.
If you happen to get a stomach ulcer caused by Helicobacter pylori,
the bacterium responsible for most peptic ulcers, simply swallow the
silver instead of spitting it out. It will kill the bacteria, and
the incredible pain will fade in a few hours.
I have been using silver ions in solution for around ten years. I
have not had a cold or flu in all that time.
I did get Shingles, but the silver killed the virus immediately. I
recently got an ulcer. The silver killed it immediately.
All the things I describe are from my own personal experience, so I
can vouch for the effectiveness.
Some people will object that silver gives you Argyria, which turns
your skin blue.
This only occurs when silver ions are combined with some other
substance, such as nitrate (silver nitrate), acetate (silver
acetate), chlorine (silver chloride), or various protein compounds
(mild silver protein.)
These compounds must be taken in very large doses over a long period
for Argyria to appear. You need to accumulate about 2 grams of
silver to start showing Argyria.
However, it never occurs when silver ions are taken alone. The
silver is quickly eliminated from your body.
Also, holding the silver ion solution in your mouth, then spitting
it out, eliminates the problem completely since most of the silver
is discarded. Using this method, you absorb less than 4 parts per
billion in your blood, which is far less than the 2 grams of silver
generally regarded as the minimum for Argyria to start showing.
It is important to note that this solution is similar to colloidal
silver, which has been discussed often. However, I need to emphasize
the importance of the silver ions as being responsible for the
effectiveness of the solution.
What is generally regarded as silver particles in colloidal silver
is actually silver hydroxide (AgOH), which is insoluble and inert.
It has no antibacterial or antiviral effect.
Since the silver is quickly eliminated from your body, you need to
keep taking the silver ion solution every day or so. It is available
in most health food stores, but it is quite expensive and normally
quite weak. The normal concentration of ions is less than 5 to 10
parts per million, which is not strong enough to do much good.
However, you can easily make this solution at home for pennies per
dose.
For more information, please see http://silversol.net63.net/
Best Regards,
Mike Monett
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:26:45 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
> <jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:40:27 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
> ><pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
> >
> >>D from BC wrote:
> >>>
> >>[snip]
> >>>
> >>> A cool small box...mmmmm
> >>> .
> >>> Reminds me of this small box.. It's an inclinometer for ~$50.00
> >>> http://ebayitem.com/230305282137
> >>
> >>But how many people will be inclined to purchase one?
> >
> >I'm leaning towards it.
> >
> >John
>
> And angling for a discount?
Come on. Level with me. Is this gadget really worth it?
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D from BC
<pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:26:45 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
>> <jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:40:27 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
>> ><pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>D from BC wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>[snip]
>> >>>
>> >>> A cool small box...mmmmm
>> >>> .
>> >>> Reminds me of this small box.. It's an inclinometer for ~$50.00
>> >>> http://ebayitem.com/230305282137
>> >>
>> >>But how many people will be inclined to purchase one?
>> >
>> >I'm leaning towards it.
>> >
>> >John
>>
>> And angling for a discount?
>
>Come on. Level with me. Is this gadget really worth it?
Perhaps it has degrees of usefulness..
ewwww..That can't be funny..
My humour is a little off balance today...
btw... I couldn't design this.. It's too dopey.
It's a drag racing alarm clock.
http://ebayitem.com/260219673106
But I wish I designed this. I have one.
It's a projection clock.
http://ebayitem.com/250297411188
But I got it from Costco.
D from BC
> D from BC <myreal...@comic.com> wrote:
>
> > Like this:
>
> > Hire 20 biotech engineers and you can be the inventor of a virus
> > that kills the plaque bacteria that causes tooth decay.
>
> > No more brushing. Ever.
>
> > D from BC
> > myreal...@comic.com
> > British Columbia
> > Canada
>
> Already done. Hold 50ml of 20uS silver ions in your mouth for 10
> minutes each morning. Then spit it out.
>
<snip>
20uS??
How does that compare with off the shelf mouthwash??
From wikipedia:
"Active ingredients in commercial brands of mouthwash can include
thymol, eucalyptol,[11] hexetidine, methyl salicylate, menthol,
chlorhexidine gluconate,[12][9] benzalkonium chloride, cetylpyridinium
chloride,[13] methylparaben, hydrogen peroxide, domiphen bromide and
sometimes fluoride,[14] enzymes and calcium. Ingredients also include
water, sweeteners such as sorbitol, Sucralose, sodium saccharine, and
xylitol (which doubles as a bacterial inhibitor).[15]"
mrda...@gmail.com
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:28:53 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
>
>
>
> <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
> >Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:26:45 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
> >> <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
> >> >On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:40:27 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
> >> ><p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>D from BC wrote:
>
> >> >>[snip]
>
> >> >>> A cool small box...mmmmm
> >> >>> .
> >> >>> Reminds me of this small box.. It's an inclinometer for ~$50.00
> >> >>>http://ebayitem.com/230305282137
>
> >> >>But how many people will be inclined to purchase one?
>
> >> >I'm leaning towards it.
>
> >> >John
>
> >> And angling for a discount?
>
> >Come on. Level with me. Is this gadget really worth it?
>
> Perhaps it has degrees of usefulness..
> My humour is a little off balance today...
>
> btw... I couldn't design this.. It's too dopey.
>
> But I wish I designed this. I have one.
> But I got it from Costco.
>
> D from BC
> British Columbia
> Canada
These battery adapters are kind of nice.
http://www.thingamababy.com/baby/2008/01/eneloop.html
I made AA-to-C adapters years ago from drilling wooden dowels, and was
trying to figure out if they had already been patented.
Then I saw a guy in Costco behind me with those plastic adapters...
Michael
mrda...@gmail.com
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:34:55 +0000, Mike Monett <N...@here.adr> wrote:
> > D from BC <myrealaddr...@comic.com> wrote:
>
> > > Like this:
>
> > > Hire 20 biotech engineers and you can be the inventor of a virus
> > > that kills the plaque bacteria that causes tooth decay.
>
> > > No more brushing. Ever.
>
> > > D from BC
> > > British Columbia
> > > Canada
>
> > Already done. Hold 50ml of 20uS silver ions in your mouth for 10
> > minutes each morning. Then spit it out.
>
> <snip>
>
> 20uS??
>
> How does that compare with off the shelf mouthwash??
> From wikipedia:
> "Active ingredients in commercial brands of mouthwash can include
> thymol, eucalyptol,[11] hexetidine, methyl salicylate, menthol,
> chlorhexidine gluconate,[12][9] benzalkonium chloride, cetylpyridinium
> chloride,[13] methylparaben, hydrogen peroxide, domiphen bromide and
> sometimes fluoride,[14] enzymes and calcium. Ingredients also include
> water, sweeteners such as sorbitol, Sucralose, sodium saccharine, and
> xylitol (which doubles as a bacterial inhibitor).[15]"
>
> D from BC
> British Columbia
> Canada
Hold 80-proof vodka in your mouth, then swallow. (Why spit it
out...?)
D from BC
Let's say you went ahead with your idea..
Perhaps it could have happened like this....
1) Made drawings
2) Got plastic fabrication equipment set up
in Taiwan, China, India or other..
3) Became an importer
4) Became a distributor and sell to Walmart or other.
5) Waged war with copycats
6) Sold company
Anyways...
I liked the comment on that page
"There are two kinds of people who are hardest on AA batteries -
photographers and babies. There's one of each in my house!"
mrda...@gmail.com
...
> >These battery adapters are kind of nice.
> >http://www.thingamababy.com/baby/2008/01/eneloop.html
>
> >I made AA-to-C adapters years ago from drilling wooden dowels, and was
> >trying to figure out if they had already been patented.
>
> >Then I saw a guy in Costco behind me with those plastic adapters...
>
> >Michael
>
> Let's say you went ahead with your idea..
> Perhaps it could have happened like this....
> 1) Made drawings
> 2) Got plastic fabrication equipment set up
> in Taiwan, China, India or other..
> 3) Became an importer
> 4) Became a distributor and sell to Walmart or other.
> 5) Waged war with copycats
> 6) Sold company
It may yet happen. My main worry was infringing existing patents. I
didn't see any "Protected By Patent Numbers..." on the package, come
to think of it. Plus I have connections in the Philippines. US $5/
day is considered a high wage in some parts of the country...
Then again, my main interest at the time was in renewable liquid
fuels, and I did not want to become distracted...
Michael
Eeyore
D from BC wrote:
> 20uS??
Apparently 20 ppm.. The link is interesting. Can it really be that good and
no-one's capitalised on it ?
Graham
D from BC
No patent # may mean they're copying somebody else or...perhaps it's
not worth patenting..
It may not be worth patenting due to expected piracy.
I wonder how often it occurs that a company has so much production
power, distribution power and advertising power that it doesn't matter
to get it patented. The company can flood the market first, make a
massive buck and then discontinue the product once sales fall due to
copycats and other reasons.
Heck, in the end, a company may sell the production machines to the
copycats.
mrda...@gmail.com
> British Columbia
> Canada
Bread has been open-source for thousands of years... ;-)
Michael
D from BC
There's some info on wikipedia..
Also there's this unusual bit from Feb. 2006
"
New York, NY - Samsung Electronics, one of the world's largest
appliance and electronics manufacturers, expands its award-winning
home appliance line into the new millennium with the introduction of
the world's first washing machine to employ advanced SilverCareTM
Technology. The new Samsung front-loading washer uses Silver Ions in
its wash and rinse cycles to kill 99.9% of tested bacteria to sanitize
laundry, all in cold water without the use of bleach.."
http://web.archive.org/web/20060531115914/http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/PressRelease/PressRelease.asp?seq=20060213_0000233684
mmmm 2006 ...I bet that model is no longer in production...
I'm no biologist, however IIRC bacteria form endospores..
Endospores form when the bacteria experience conditions that are
unfavorable..
The endospores are relativily more resistant to heat, cold, vacuum,
radiation and chemicals.
There's no mention of killing endospores in the article.
Sure you might kill all the bacteria for awhile...Then it comes back
when the endospores activate.
Rich Grise
> Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:26:45 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
>> >>>
>> >>[snip]
>> >>>
>> >>> A cool small box...mmmmm
>> >>> .
>> >>> Reminds me of this small box.. It's an inclinometer for ~$50.00
>> >>> http://ebayitem.com/230305282137
>> >>
>> >>But how many people will be inclined to purchase one?
>> >
>> >I'm leaning towards it.
>>
>
> Come on. Level with me. Is this gadget really worth it?
I work with machinists, who would probably say yes. (they'd use it in lieu
of a set of sine blocks.)
Cheers!
Rich
mrda...@gmail.com
> I have test equipment,
> boxes of electronics parts,
> lots of free time,
> and thousands of dollars.
>
>
> Go into real estate? :P
Rent out the test equipment,
Sell the electronics parts in lots on eBay,
Find a job in management or with the government, and
Invest the money in the stock market.
Michael
D from BC
I'll miss the explosions, fire, smoke and shocks. :)
David L. Jones
Stick the 555 in a box with knobs and some probes and say it cures all
sorts of ailments, or makes your car get better millage etc. Then you
can charge hundreds for it. It's worked plenty of times.
I love the new mains "energy saver" boxes. Amazing what people will
pay for a capacitor in a box.
Plenty of money in Audio snake oil electronics too.
Dave.
mrda...@gmail.com
> On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:25:59 -0800 (PST), mrdarr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >On Nov 4, 4:41 pm, D from BC <myrealaddr...@comic.com> wrote:
> >> I have test equipment,
> >> boxes of electronics parts,
> >> lots of free time,
> >> and thousands of dollars.
>
> >> Now what?
>
> >> Go into real estate? :P
>
> >> D from BC
> >> myrealaddr...@comic.com
> >> British Columbia
> >> Canada
>
> >Rent out the test equipment,
> >Sell the electronics parts in lots on eBay,
> >Find a job in management or with the government, and
> >Invest the money in the stock market.
>
> >Michael
>
> I'll miss the explosions, fire, smoke and shocks. :)
>
> D from BC
> British Columbia
> Canada
Oh. Then join the military
Michael
Eeyore
John Larkin wrote:
> My great insight was to realize that it's better to sell
> expensive things than cheap things. Duh.
If only I could teach a certain person that !
Graham
Eeyore
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> >
> > D from BC wrote:
> >
> > > Now what?
> >
> > Tell lies. Works a treat !
>
> You mean it works for Eeyore.
I'm NOT a salesman.
Martin Brown
wrote:
If he means sucking a coin with 20ppm silver content then you really
have to worry about the other 99.998% of mostly cupro-nickel. Many
people are borderline allergic to the nickel content in coinage and
some early Euros were struck with enough to bring a few sensitive
cashiers out in a rash. Pure silver cutlery would be safer.
Trace silver ions acting as a broad spectrum antibiotic has been known
since antiquity (although they didn't known why it worked). Silver
utensils were for the priviledged classes and church only. Born with a
silver spoon in his mouth has the same roots in folk lore and
practical implications. The rich were not only better fed but the
silver plate did help see off some pathogens and so children of the
rich had better life expectancy on both counts.
There is serious research in this area as well as a lot of cranky
quack medicine to separate folk from their money. Here is one example
with references (but I don't know how repuatble the journal is):
You do have to be very careful not to overdose though as it has bad
implications (as well as turning yout skin silver blue). Some of this
stuff borders on new age quackery and self delusion so caveat emptor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria
There is a nice picture there of a Y2k survivalist nutter who did
this. Most of the other victims are in the silver mining and refining
industry from way back before there were safety TLVs for airborn dust.
Doctors are having to relearn how to recognise this condition after
the new age fashion for colloidal silver took off.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17177941
Regards,
Martin Brown
Jasen Betts
>
> Already done. Hold 50ml of 20uS silver ions in your mouth for 10
> minutes each morning. Then spit it out.
>
> All the bacteria that cause plaque and tooth decay will die. The
> plaque will simply fall off. You won't get any more cavities, and
> your dentist will be out of a job.
It'll also cure smoking (by causing a foul taste) and has been patented
for that.
Bye.
Jasen
Jasen Betts
colloidial silver is available in health food stores, massively over priced.
there's people making money out of it.
--
Bye.
Jasen
Eeyore
Martin Brown wrote:
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > D from BC wrote:
> > > 20uS??
> >
> > Apparently 20 ppm.. The link is interesting. Can it really be that good and
> > no-one's capitalised on it ?
>
> If he means sucking a coin with 20ppm silver content then you really
> have to worry about the other 99.998% of mostly cupro-nickel.
No they don't mean that.
> Many
> people are borderline allergic to the nickel content in coinage and
> some early Euros were struck with enough to bring a few sensitive
> cashiers out in a rash. Pure silver cutlery would be safer.
>
> Trace silver ions acting as a broad spectrum antibiotic has been known
> since antiquity (although they didn't known why it worked).
Why worry ? Who knows how most medicines work ?
> Silver
> utensils were for the priviledged classes and church only. Born with a
> silver spoon in his mouth has the same roots in folk lore and
> practical implications. The rich were not only better fed but the
> silver plate did help see off some pathogens and so children of the
> rich had better life expectancy on both counts.
Gold is also used to treat chronic arthritis.
> There is serious research in this area as well as a lot of cranky
> quack medicine to separate folk from their money. Here is one example
> with references (but I don't know how repuatble the journal is):
>
> http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/73/6/1712?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=cfu&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=600&resourcetype=HWFIG
>
> You do have to be very careful not to overdose though as it has bad
> implications (as well as turning yout skin silver blue).
The article covers this. You should read it. Mind you, if you're a 'Trekkie' it may be to your benefit !
> Some of this
> stuff borders on new age quackery and self delusion so caveat emptor:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria
>
> There is a nice picture there of a Y2k survivalist nutter who did
> this. Most of the other victims are in the silver mining and refining
> industry from way back before there were safety TLVs for airborn dust.
> Doctors are having to relearn how to recognise this condition after
> the new age fashion for colloidal silver took off.
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17177941
Colloidal silver doesn't do it, it seems.
Graham
Mike Monett
Must be some other compound. I used to smoke and never noticed any problem.
Mike Monett
> Bye.
> Jasen
Mike Monett
Yes, it is that good. But it is not easy to make a high ion concentration
using the commercially-available cs generators. They only produce 3uS to
8uS or so, which is OK for young people with good immune systems. You need
to get above 16uS for best results with the really vicious viruses like
some of the new cold sores being passed among teenagers.
A practical limit is about 20uS. It is quite difficult to get much higher.
20uS means 20 microSiemens, which describes the conductivity of the ion
solution. It also means a concentration of 20ppm, but conventional
colloidal silver also counts the particulates, which are silver hydroxide
(AgOH) and are inert. So to emphasize that the silver ions are responsible
for the effectiveness, we measure the conductivity in uS.
I have designed several generators that make 20uS reliably. But they are a
bit too complicated for a newcomer. I'm working on a much simpler and
cheaper version that should make 16uS reliably. It is simple enough that
anyone can build one for themselves. I'll post the instructions and photos
as soon as I have some time.
Best Regards,
Mike Monett
Mike Monett
> <snip>
> 20uS??
You still get cavities with mouthwash. But not with silver ions.
It also heals most gum disease. And it kills viruses that cause
colds, flu, cold sores, Shingles, etc.
None of the commercial products have the same effect as silver ions.
There are no pharmaceuticals that kill viruses.
Regards,
Mike Monett
Mike Monett
>> D from BC wrote:
>>> 20uS??
Very true. I make 2 litres of 20uS at a time. It lasts about a month
and costs about $1.00 CAD. That's for the distilled water. The
silver electrodes last for many years.
I checked with a local health food store. They carry a product that
is less than half as concentrated as mine, and sell it in 100ml
bottles.
2 litres of this product would cost over $1,200 CAD. I could never
afford to take it.
One of the real problems is the pharmaceutical companies know how
effective this stuff is. It has been around since the late 50's, and
was used on navy ships to keep drinking water pure. It was also used
on the Apollo moon missions for the same reason.
The pharmaceutical companies are terrified that this product would
become well known and used, since it would basically kill their
business. How can you sell pills for 10,000% profit when a couple of
pennies worth of silver ions in solution works much better?
So they convinced the FDA to mount a campaign against it, using
false claims that you would get Argyria, or that the silver ions are
toxic. Yes, they are toxic, but only to pathogens. Not to humans.
And you cannot get Argyria by taking silver ions. The process has an
inherent limit of around 20uS, which is far below the concentration
needed to develop Argyria.
This is why Argyria can only occur with silver compounds, such as
silver nitrate, silver acetate or mild silver protein (MSP). These
compounds can easily reach 5,000 to 50,000 ppm, which is a very high
dose of silver. It is too high for the body to eliminate, and it
will build up to produce Argyria over time.
However, I am coming to the conclusion that silver is needed as a
trace element in the immune system, much like selenium.
So besides killing bacteria on contact, I think the silver ions are
needed by the immune system, perhaps to make proteins or other
compounds that the immune system needs to function. Without them,
you tend to get sick easilty with colds and flu. With the silver
ions, you never get sick, no matter what is going around and
affecting other people.
Best Regards,
Mike Monett
Eeyore
Mike Monett wrote:
I'd be very interested.
Graham
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
If you don't want to smoke, why not just not smoke? ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Joel Koltner
news:pan.2008.11.07....@example.net...
> If you don't want to smoke, why not just not smoke? ;-)
:-)
Have you ever tried to quit, Rich? I'm just curious, as in general if you
want to smoke I figure it's your body, you're an adult, you can make the
choice for yourself, etc...
(I've smoked exactly one cigarette in my entire life...)
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
> "Richard The Dreaded Libertarian" <nu...@example.net> wrote in message
>
>
> :-)
>
> Have you ever tried to quit, Rich? I'm just curious, as in general if you
> want to smoke I figure it's your body, you're an adult, you can make the
> choice for yourself, etc...
I quit once and realized I like smoking better than I like not smoking. :-)
Cheers!
Rich
Mike Monett
> There's some info on wikipedia.
> Also there's this unusual bit from Feb. 2006
> "New York, NY - Samsung Electronics, one of the world's largest
> appliance and electronics manufacturers, expands its award-winning
> home appliance line into the new millennium with the introduction
> of the world's first washing machine to employ advanced
> SilverCareTM Technology. The new Samsung front-loading washer uses
> Silver Ions in its wash and rinse cycles to kill 99.9% of tested
> bacteria to sanitize laundry, all in cold water without the use of
> bleach."
> http://web.archive.org/web/20060531115914/http://www.samsung.com/PressC
> enter/PressRelease/PressRelease.asp?seq=20060213_0000233684
> mmmm 2006. I bet that model is no longer in production.
> I'm no biologist, however IIRC bacteria form endospores.
> Endospores form when the bacteria experience conditions that are
> unfavorable.
> The endospores are relativily more resistant to heat, cold,
> vacuum, radiation and chemicals.
> There's no mention of killing endospores in the article.
> Sure you might kill all the bacteria for awhile. Then it comes
> back when the endospores activate.
> D from BC
> myreal...@comic.com
> British Columbia
> Canada
The Samsung washer is a fraud. First, there's no way to generate
enough silver ions in the short time available to get a high enough
ion concentration to affect bacteria. I posted an analysis in the
Yahoo colloidalsilver2 forum some time ago that showed how small the
amount Samsung claimed really was.
Second, any silver ions generated would immediately combine with the
impurities in the water. These are the negative anions present in
tap water, dissolved from the dirt in the fabrics, and the rich
source of ions in the soap. Most of the silver compounds are
insoluble, so they would precipitate out of solution and would not
be available to kill bacteria.
Third, the enzymes and other components in laundry detergent are
already strongly antibacterial. The claim that 99.9% of bacteria are
killed is entirely due to the detergent, and not due to any silver
ions that may be present, however briefly.
Fourth, 99.9% is only a log 3 kill. That is insignificant when you
are talking about bacteria and how fast they grow. You need a log 6
or log 7 kill to have any assurance they won't return immediately.
So the claims made by Samsung and other manufacturers do not stand
up to careful scrutiny. It is just a sales gimick, but unfortunately
many manufacturers are starting to use it as a sales tool.
As far as bacteria forming endospores, It is my understanding that
the process takes a while, perhaps 8 hours or so. However, a 20uS
solution of silver ions kills bacteria on contact. They simply do
not have time to form spores.
But it is also true that spores are present everywhere in the
environment. So if you kill all the bacteria, the spores will
provide a new generation, as you point out.
Regards,
Mike Monett
D from BC
I suspect smoking may lower IQ.
There's more useless CO in the blood for the brain.
Some chemicals.
http://www.smoke-free.ca/Health/Healtheffectssmoke.htm
Lead, toluene, styrene, formaldehyde...
Not good for the brain.
What's missing on that page is the chemical levels relative to other
things people are exposed to..
It could be that my glass of drinking water may have just as much
lead as a cigarette. I dunno..
IMO it's best not to risk brain damage or dysfunction with cigarette
blood.. I need every edge I can get.
Jasen Betts
I saw it done using silver wire intended for jewelery maunfacture for the
electrodes and ~27V DC from three 9V batteries for the power source, also
the water may not have been pure. (probable contaminants are tannins
and minerals)
later I discovered a patent for an ion solution mouthwash that makes
cigarettes taste bad.
Bye.
Jasen
Mike Monett
Jasen Betts <ja...@xnet.co.nz> wrote:
> On 2008-11-07, Mike Monett <No...@here.adr> wrote:
>> Jasen Betts <ja...@xnet.co.nz> wrote:
>>> On 2008-11-06, Mike Monett <No...@here.adr> wrote:
>>>> Already done. Hold 50ml of 20uS silver ions in your mouth for
>>>> 10 minutes each morning. Then spit it out.
>>>> All the bacteria that cause plaque and tooth decay will die.
>>>> The plaque will simply fall off. You won't get any more
>>>> cavities, and your dentist will be out of a job.
>>> It'll also cure smoking (by causing a foul taste) and has been
>>> patented for that.
>> Must be some other compound. I used to smoke and never noticed
>> any problem.
> I saw it done using silver wire intended for jewelery maunfacture
> for the electrodes and ~27V DC from three 9V batteries for the
> power source, also the water may not have been pure. (probable
> contaminants are tannins and minerals)
The usual contaminants are minerals and salts. I don't know how
tannins could enter drinking water. The only thing I know that has
them is tea and wine.
The "3 Nines" was one of the first methods suggested for making cs.
It has no control of the current. This increases exponentially as
more ions enter the solution and increase the conductivity. See
"Constant Voltage Generators", at:
http://silversol.110mb.com/shingles/shingles.htm#constv
As a result, the 3 Nines process generates a large amount of silver
hydroxide and a weak concentration of silver ions. The solution
tends to quickly turn black from silver particles or yellow from
silver hydroxide that agglomerates. The yellow color is due to
plasmon resonance which removes blue wavelengths from the spectrum.
The silver used in making cs is 99.9% pure, called "dead soft". It
is too soft and bends too easily for use in jewelery. The wire is
usually 12 ga, which is 0.080 inches in diameter. This has an area
of 0.2538 square inches per inch of length.
Most generators run at a current density of 1 to 2 ma per square
inch. This promotes the generation of silver hydroxide at both the
anode and cathode, and limits the ion concentration to perhaps 6uS
to 12uS, dependng on the electrode configuration.
I run at a much lower current density, usually 60uA to 100uA per
square inch. This results in a much higher ion concentration,
usually 20uS or so, but it also means a much larger wetted area of
silver is needed to make a usable amount in a reasonable time. My
current generator uses 6 feet of 12 ga silver wire for each
electrode. They are folded into an accordian configuration, or
"UUUUUUUU", to fit in the container.
Since some of the ions are lost in making AgOh at the anode, and in
plating pure silver out at the cathode, the actual ion concentration
will always be less than the theoretical value.
You can use Faraday's equation to calculate the theoretical ion
concentration as a function of volume of distilled water, electrode
current, and time. My generator runs at 2.7mA to 3.2mA, and it takes
about 4 1/2 hrs to make 2 litres of 20uS solution. The calculated
ion concentration is about 28.5uS. The actual measured concentration
is about 23.6uS after pouring into the storage container, so the ion
loss at the electrodes and silver hydroxide in solution is about
5uS.
The reading drops over several days and stabilizes at a lower value.
See the graphs halfway down the page at "Why Nobody Makes 45uS CS"
http://silversol.110mb.com/theory/goodcs.htm
However, the process is extremely sensitive to contamination. Recall
that 1 uS, or 1 ppm, is about the same as one penny in a stack one
mile high. So the desired ion concentration of 20 uS is about the
same as 20 pennies in this stack.
This means that any contamination, such as the chlorine from salt,
acetic acid from vinegar, sulphur fumes from a car battery or a
sealed gel cel, baking soda dust from making pies, or spray from
ordinary household cleaners, can severely contaminate the solution.
This means that a simple conductivity reading with a pure water
tester cannot be relied on to determine the silver ion
concentration.
You have to be aware of the tremendous sensitivity to contamination,
and use as much information as possible to help determine the true
ion concentration.
This means combining the results of the Faraday calculation, the
measured conductivity, the clarity of the ion solution, the amount
and character of the residue on the electrodes, and the strength of
the dispersion obtained when a small amount of pure salt is added to
a small glass of silver solution.
The silver used in jewelery is usually sterling. It cannot be used
for making a silver ion solution since it is an alloy of silver
containing 92.5% pure silver and 7.5% other metals, usually copper.
> later I discovered a patent for an ion solution mouthwash that
> makes cigarettes taste bad.
Can you post the patent number?
The patent may talk about a different method of making a solution,
or it may have bungled the process completely. Any additives, such
as honey, salt, hydrogen peroxide, baking soda, or any other
chemical will result in a completely different solution. This is not
the same as a pure solution of silver ions, which is what we are
discussing.
A pure silver ion solution has no taste at all if done correctly. I
never noticed anything unusual when I smoked, and my friends who
still smoke don't notice any effect after holding a solution in
their mouth for ten minutes.
But if the solution has an excess of silver hydroxide due to lack of
control over the process, it causes a metallic taste than many
people find unpleasant. And that may cause a reaction when smoking.
> Bye.
> Jasen
Regards,
Mike Monett
Jasen Betts
On 2008-11-08, Mike Monett <No...@here.adr> wrote:
> The usual contaminants are minerals and salts. I don't know how
> tannins could enter drinking water. The only thing I know that has
> them is tea and wine.
From leaves in the guttering , this place didn't have town water
but did have a rainwater tank and a bore (a very narrow well)
> The "3 Nines" was one of the first methods suggested for making cs.
> As a result, the 3 Nines process generates a large amount of silver
> hydroxide and a weak concentration of silver ions. The solution
> tends to quickly turn black from silver particles or yellow from
> silver hydroxide that agglomerates. The yellow color is due to
> plasmon resonance which removes blue wavelengths from the spectrum.
> The silver used in making cs is 99.9% pure, called "dead soft". It
> is too soft and bends too easily for use in jewelery. The wire is
> usually 12 ga, which is 0.080 inches in diameter. This has an area
> of 0.2538 square inches per inch of length.
2mm diameter, that sounds about right,
> > later I discovered a patent for an ion solution mouthwash that
> > makes cigarettes taste bad.
>
> Can you post the patent number?
I don't recall enough details to locate the neccessary information
> The patent may talk about a different method of making a solution,
> or it may have bungled the process completely. Any additives, such
> as honey, salt, hydrogen peroxide, baking soda, or any other
> chemical will result in a completely different solution. This is not
> the same as a pure solution of silver ions, which is what we are
> discussing.
No manufacturing process was discussed, the patent merely claimed the
use if an (undisclosed) metal ion solution to make cigarettes unplesant.
> A pure silver ion solution has no taste at all if done correctly. I
> never noticed anything unusual when I smoked, and my friends who
> still smoke don't notice any effect after holding a solution in
> their mouth for ten minutes.
>
> But if the solution has an excess of silver hydroxide due to lack of
> control over the process, it causes a metallic taste than many
> people find unpleasant. And that may cause a reaction when smoking.
from your discription it had atleast that.
it's possible distilled water was used I was not paying full attention.
Bye.
Jasen
Eeyore
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
> Jasen Betts wrote:
> > Mike Monett <No...@here.adr> wrote:
> >
> >> Already done. Hold 50ml of 20uS silver ions in your mouth for 10
> >> minutes each morning. Then spit it out.
> >>
> >> All the bacteria that cause plaque and tooth decay will die. The
> >> plaque will simply fall off. You won't get any more cavities, and
> >> your dentist will be out of a job.
> >
> > It'll also cure smoking (by causing a foul taste) and has been patented
> > for that.
>
> If you don't want to smoke, why not just not smoke? ;-)
Once addicted, people find tend to find that very difficult. Luckily never
been there. Always thought it was stupid.
Graham
Eeyore
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
> Joel Koltner wrote:
> > "Richard The Dreaded Libertarian" wrote in message
> >
> >> If you don't want to smoke, why not just not smoke? ;-)
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Have you ever tried to quit, Rich? I'm just curious, as in general if you
> > want to smoke I figure it's your body, you're an adult, you can make the
> > choice for yourself, etc...
>
> I quit once and realized I like smoking better than I like not smoking. :-)
Addiction.
Graham
Eeyore
D from BC wrote:
> I suspect smoking may lower IQ.
> There's more useless CO in the blood for the brain.
I've never smoked and my IQ is 154. Does that help your case ?
Graham
Eeyore
Jasen Betts wrote:
> later I discovered a patent for an ion solution mouthwash that makes
> cigarettes taste bad.
My ex-partner found an equally if not more effective 'solution'.
You put cigarette butts in a glass container with cap filled with water and let
if fill up. Several times a day you smell it.
Today, the smell of cigarette smoke makes her feel physically ill.
Graham
D from BC
A little..
I heard IQ is mostly genetic + (how smart you need to be for your
environment).
Rich may have a higher IQ than you but his smoking could be dragging
that IQ down to your level...
My IQ is all over the place.
Sometimes I can't find my car keys..
Sometimes I feel like biochemical meat puppet.
Eeyore
D from BC wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> >D from BC wrote:
> >
> >> I suspect smoking may lower IQ.
> >> There's more useless CO in the blood for the brain.
> >
> >I've never smoked and my IQ is 154. Does that help your case ?
>
> A little..
> I heard IQ is mostly genetic + (how smart you need to be for your
> environment).
Well there's an interesting question. My Mum was a teacher amd My Dad
was the first of his family's generation to get a degree. I was also
brought up in an environment that respected knowledge and learning. Plus
I went to private and competitive schools. My last school wanted me to
apply to Cambridge (UK) University, but I went for London. I turned down
Imperial !
> Rich may have a higher IQ than you but his smoking could be dragging
> that IQ down to your level..
Couldn't say. He makes some very astute comments from time to time.
> My IQ is all over the place.
> Sometimes I can't find my car keys..
> Sometimes I feel like biochemical meat puppet.
We all have 'off days' ;~)
Wouldn't be human otherwise.
Graham
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
> On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:58:11 GMT, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
> <nu...@example.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:05:20 -0800, Joel Koltner wrote:
>>> "Richard The Dreaded Libertarian" <nu...@example.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> If you don't want to smoke, why not just not smoke? ;-)
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Have you ever tried to quit, Rich? I'm just curious, as in general if
>>> you want to smoke I figure it's your body, you're an adult, you can
>>> make the choice for yourself, etc...
>>
>>I quit once and realized I like smoking better than I like not smoking.
>>:-)
>
> I suspect smoking may lower IQ.
Of course. It also causes cancer, heart disease, and the latest - strokes.
I think if it wasn't for AGW they'd blame smoking for everything from
pollution to earthquakes.
Antismokerism: The New National Religion.
Thanks,
Rich
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
I'm sober. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
> Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
>
>> I quit once and realized I like smoking better than I like not smoking.
>> :-)
>
> Addiction.
>
That's a buzzword that the antismokerists use to judge those of us who
haven't subjugated our Free Will to their religious cult.
Cheers!
Rich
Rich Grise
> Jasen Betts wrote:
>
>> later I discovered a patent for an ion solution mouthwash that makes
>> cigarettes taste bad.
>
> My ex-partner found an equally if not more effective 'solution'.
>
> You put cigarette butts in a glass container with cap filled with water
> and let if fill up. Several times a day you smell it.
No, no, no. You soak the butts until the water turns brown, strain out
the butts and dispose of them properly, and spray the water on your plants -
it kills aphids RIGHT NOW, and the plant doesn't mind because it's a plant
alkaloid. I did that with some rosebushes once - when I bought the house,
the roses were all withered and stuff - they were covered with aphids. It
looked like they made the plants itch. A good spray with nicotine water,
(from the underside, to dislodge the aphids), and the NEXT DAY they plants
had perked up and looked happy. They made awesome roses. I used to cut a
bloom every day and bring it to the shop and put it in a bowl of water.
Cheers!
Rich
Dave Platt
Mike Monett <No...@here.adr> wrote:
> The usual contaminants are minerals and salts. I don't know how
> tannins could enter drinking water. The only thing I know that has
> them is tea and wine.
Tannins are often present in drinking water taken from surface-water
sources, and (I believe) from shallow wells. The ultimate source of
them is from plant matter, of course... roots and bark over which the
water has flowed.
As an extreme case: many of the streams and brooks I saw in
Newfoundland this fall were as dark in appearance as medium-strong
tea... one was even named "Black Brook". An amazing amount of tannin
soaks out of the fir and spruce and bogs over and through which this
water flows.
Although normal drinking-water treatment probably reduces the amount
of tannin in the water (through filtration and chlorination) I doubt
that it eliminates it entirely.
--
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I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!
Eeyore
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
> D from BC wrote:
>
> > I suspect smoking may lower IQ.
>
> Of course. It also causes cancer, heart disease, and the latest - strokes.
I thought strokes were rather well known about.
I had to have my tonsils removed age ~ 8 because of my father's heavy smoking
as I got multiple throat infections. Of course, with the tonsils out of the
way I got multiple URT infections instead and developed Bronchiectasis instead
and a damaged immune system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronchiectasis
Thanks, smokers. You heartless SELFISH BASTARDS. May you all incenerate in a
tobacco fire in HELL.
Graham
Eeyore
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
FUCK OFF
Eeyore
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
> >
> >> I quit once and realized I like smoking better than I like not smoking.
> >> :-)
> >
> > Addiction.
>
> That's a buzzword that the antismokerists use to judge those of us who
> haven't subjugated our Free Will to their religious cult.
YOU SMELL BAD ?
D from BC
Perhaps the leaders of the antismokerists are the makers of Zyban and
Champix! ;P
(Both are anti-smoking drugs..)
They are money motivated.
JosephKK
<pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>a7yvm1...@netzero.com wrote:
>>
>> D from BC wrote:
>> > I have test equipment,
>> > boxes of electronics parts,
>> > lots of free time,
>> > and thousands of dollars.
>>
>> So do I. It's an effective woman repellent as well.
>> >
>> > Now what?
>>
>> Bad news. The chances of getting "rich" in electronics are slim, very
>> slim.
>> You can however earn a good living form it.
>> Forget yachts and loft condos on the waterfront.
>> Think a paid up car and a single family house in a sleepy suburb.
>
>Slim, but not non-existant. You've got to think up something unique and
>useful. And then figure out a way to keep other people from stealing it
>from you.
>
>Take a look at Dean Kamen for an example.
Hmmmph. How about Steve Wozniak instead. Real engineer, more impact
greater wealth.
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
I'll believe that when you give up your car.
Good Luck!
Rich
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
My, how articulate of you! ;-)
Thanks,
Rich
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
> Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
>> Eeyore wrote:
>> > Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
>> >
>> >> I quit once and realized I like smoking better than I like not
>> >> smoking.
>> >> :-)
>> >
>> > Addiction.
>>
>> That's a buzzword that the antismokerists use to judge those of us who
>> haven't subjugated our Free Will to their religious cult.
>
> YOU SMELL BAD ?
So don't sniff me, duh! - typical antismokerist: they can smell it when
somebody on another freaking continent lights up.
I think there might be medical treatment available for your
hypersensitivity disorder.
Feh.
Rich
John Larkin
Addiction cancels free will.
John
D from BC
On a scale of 1 to 10, how would you score your 'free will'?
D from BC
myrealaddress(at)comic(dot)com
British Columbia
Canada
John Larkin
The question is meaningless. I do avoid physically and emotionally
addictive behaviors that would bias my perceptions and impair my
ability to remain skeptical and think. That's just the way to do good
engineering.
John
krw
jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com says...
So you're addicted to good engineering. ;-)
--
Keith