speech pathology test

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

One of these shapes is a booba and one is a kiki. Which is which?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rislqmi8droej4m/Shapes.jpg?raw=1



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

[Jim Whitby]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 14:08:15 -0800, jlarkin wrote:

> One of these shapes is a booba and one is a kiki. Which is which?
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rislqmi8droej4m/Shapes.jpg?raw=1

The kiki has the spikes.

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouba/kiki_effect

[Phil Allison]

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
=================================

>
> One of these shapes is a booba and one is a kiki. Which is which?
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rislqmi8droej4m/Shapes.jpg?raw=1
>
>

** That is not much related to your heading.

The word " onomatopoeia " refers to words the mimic sounds.
Bang, crash, ting, boom etc.
Everyone gets that, no problem - right?

Then tell me why many musicians I come across have no idea what the words " hum", " hiss " and " buzz" refer to ?
They all use the term "noise" but cannot go further.



.... Phil

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 16:25:46 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
<palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

>jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>=================================
>>
>> One of these shapes is a booba and one is a kiki. Which is which?
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rislqmi8droej4m/Shapes.jpg?raw=1
>>
>>
>** That is not much related to your heading.

But it is a speech pathology test. I actually know a speech
pathologist.

[legg]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 14:08:15 -0800, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

>One of these shapes is a booba and one is a kiki. Which is which?
>
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/rislqmi8droej4m/Shapes.jpg?raw=1

Why a word? Why not just a consonant or a vowel? Fricative.
Sibilant. Tone. Musical note.

Circle. Square. etc.

A word or scribbled figure is just too big a step.

RL

[Phil Allison]

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
=================================
>>
> >> One of these shapes is a booba and one is a kiki. Which is which?
> >>
> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rislqmi8droej4m/Shapes.jpg?raw=1
> >>
> >>
> >** That is not much related to your heading.
>
> But it is a speech pathology test.

** Really - do tell....

> I actually know a speech pathologist.

** JL's wife has just become the " absent expert ".

FYI to all:

Audiophools ( nearly all male) regularly cite the *alleged* opinions of absent female partners to " prove " the existence of non existent audible differences. IMO the phenomenon needs a name.

Perhaps the " My Darling " effect ?


..... Phil

[Phil Allison]

legg wrote:
========

>
> >One of these shapes is a booba and one is a kiki. Which is which?
> >
> >https://www.dropbox.com/s/rislqmi8droej4m/Shapes.jpg?raw=1
>
> Why a word?

** Cos words have meanings.

>Why not just a consonant or a vowel? Fricative.
> Sibilant. Tone. Musical note.

** Which don't.

> A word or scribbled figure is just too big a step.

** Association of shape with a carefully picked and *suggested* word is not so strange.

A " Rorschach test" is a bit similar.


..... Phil

[Jeff Layman]

On 16/01/2022 22:08, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> One of these shapes is a booba and one is a kiki. Which is which?
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rislqmi8droej4m/Shapes.jpg?raw=1

"Pathology"? Don't you mean "psychology"?

--

Jeff

[Phil Allison]

Jeff Layman wrote:
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>
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/rislqmi8droej4m/Shapes.jpg?raw=1
>
> "Pathology"? Don't you mean "psychology"?
>

** Yep, no speech disability involved in the test JL posted.


..... Phil

[Rick C]

Perhaps a similar matter as groups that only count, 1, 2, many. If the sound is not music, they don't care what it sounds like. If it's not the sounds they are trying to make, it is an evil sound. Why do they need to know more about than that in their mind?

I can see why you would not be able to appreciate that.

--

Rick C.

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[Phil Allison]

gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
===========================

>
> >
> > The word " onomatopoeia " refers to words the mimic sounds.
> > Bang, crash, ting, boom etc.
> > Everyone gets that, no problem - right?
> >
> > Then tell me why many musicians I come across have no idea what the words " hum", " hiss " and " buzz" refer to ?
> > They all use the term "noise" but cannot go further.
> Perhaps a similar matter as groups that only count, 1, 2, many.

** Hum, hiss and buzz are *everyday* words.
Singers may hum, snakes hiss and bees buzz.

> If the sound is not music, they don't care what it sounds like.

** Caring and not having a fucking clue are nothing like the same.

Obvious to almost anyone, but 100% incomprehensible to a brain fucked, autistic moron like you.

FFS:

Get cancer die a horrible death you vile POS.




...... Phil

[Phil Hobbs]

Fried brains? If they're any good at it, it's unlikely to be their
ears. (Not too many Beethovens out there< I don't suppose.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

The little quiz was presented to me by a speech pathologist. She works
with all kinds of speech problems, including verbal apraxia, which is
correlated to a nonstandard or nonresponsive reaction to the kiki
booba test. Most people instantly say jagged=kiki. I thought it was an
interesting neural path.

She also deals with errors of kinesthesis, knowing where your body
parts are.

Does anyone here have synesthesia? What sounds and colors are a
schematic?

Lots of engineers stutter. That must mean something. Great movie, "The
King's Speech."

[Phil Hobbs]

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 07:41:59 +0000, Jeff Layman
> <jmla...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 16/01/2022 22:08, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> One of these shapes is a booba and one is a kiki. Which is which?
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rislqmi8droej4m/Shapes.jpg?raw=1
>>
>> "Pathology"? Don't you mean "psychology"?
>
> The little quiz was presented to me by a speech pathologist. She works
> with all kinds of speech problems, including verbal apraxia, which is
> correlated to a nonstandard or nonresponsive reaction to the kiki
> booba test. Most people instantly say jagged=kiki. I thought it was an
> interesting neural path.
>
> She also deals with errors of kinesthesis, knowing where your body
> parts are.
>
> Does anyone here have synesthesia? What sounds and colors are a
> schematic?

One of my sisters had a bad case of dyslexia as a kid--she couldn't
spell for beans. All on her own, as a young teenager she taught herself
to spell using coloured crayons, which matched her colour impression of
words. The patterning worked--she now spells very well.

(She was also helped by a speech pathologist.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

[legg]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 17:10:03 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
<palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> legg wrote:
>========
>>
>> >One of these shapes is a booba and one is a kiki. Which is which?
>> >
>> >https://www.dropbox.com/s/rislqmi8droej4m/Shapes.jpg?raw=1
>>
>> Why a word?
>
>** Cos words have meanings.

This test specifically employs meaningless words.

The test is applied to any/all language speakers.

>
>>Why not just a consonant or a vowel? Fricative.
>> Sibilant. Tone. Musical note.
>
>** Which don't.
>
>> A word or scribbled figure is just too big a step.
>
>** Association of shape with a carefully picked and *suggested* word is not so strange.
>
> A " Rorschach test" is a bit similar.
>
>
>..... Phil
>

Rorschach is image-to-image corelation.

RL

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

I wish PADS would let me use colors on a schematic.

I can color layers and nets/power pours in the PCB layout program,
which really helps.

Hey, just realized after all these years, I could assign a color to
nets/traces that need impedance control, or fat traces, for my layout
people.

[Phil Hobbs]

We do that on the CAD schematics using highlighters. For instance,
traces that need to be Faraday-caged, e.g. inside SMPSes, get "the pink
treatment", named after the highlight colour.

[Phil Allison]

legg is a brainless fool wrote:
===========================

>>
> >> >One of these shapes is a booba and one is a kiki. Which is which?
> >> >
> >> >https://www.dropbox.com/s/rislqmi8droej4m/Shapes.jpg?raw=1
> >>
> >> Why a word?
> >
> >** Cos words have meanings.
>
> This test specifically employs meaningless words.

** But words have meanings.

>
> The test is applied to any/all language speakers.

** In all languages.

> >>Why not just a consonant or a vowel? Fricative.
> >> Sibilant. Tone. Musical note.
> >
> >** Which don't.

** The idiot still does not get it.

>
> >** Association of shape with a carefully picked and *suggested* word is not so strange.
> >
> > A " Rorschach test" is a bit similar.
> >

> Rorschach is image-to-image corelation.

** No it fucking is not.

...... Phil

[John Miles, KE5FX]

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 2:08:26 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> One of these shapes is a booba and one is a kiki. Which is which?

Dogs solve differential equations when they catch Frisbees, so
it's not TOO surprising that people subconsciously associate
2D Fourier transforms on images with 1D transforms on sounds.

-- john, KE5FX

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

People don't do a lot of math when they step onto an escalator either.
But it works.

[Phil Allison]

John Miles, KE5FX wrote:
=====================

>
> > One of these shapes is a booba and one is a kiki. Which is which?
>>
> Dogs solve differential equations when they catch Frisbees,
>

** Only appears that way.
Anticipation, experience and guessing are the main tricks.
Seen in most any sport or skill.

> so

**False assumption is no basis for a conclusion.

> it's not TOO surprising that people subconsciously associate
> 2D Fourier transforms on images with 1D transforms on sounds.

** You are joking - right ?

> -- john, KE5FX

** Be a good idea to leave that ham call sign out of your posts.
It's a red flag warning we are being visited by an idiot.

BTW I had a quick look at your site.


..... Phil

[Rick C]

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 5:46:47 AM UTC-5, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> ===========================
> >
> > >
> > > The word " onomatopoeia " refers to words the mimic sounds.
> > > Bang, crash, ting, boom etc.
> > > Everyone gets that, no problem - right?
> > >
> > > Then tell me why many musicians I come across have no idea what the words " hum", " hiss " and " buzz" refer to ?
> > > They all use the term "noise" but cannot go further.
> > Perhaps a similar matter as groups that only count, 1, 2, many.
> ** Hum, hiss and buzz are *everyday* words.
> Singers may hum, snakes hiss and bees buzz.

None of which are electronic gadgets or sound like them.

> > If the sound is not music, they don't care what it sounds like.
> ** Caring and not having a fucking clue are nothing like the same.
>
> Obvious to almost anyone, but 100% incomprehensible to a brain fucked, autistic moron like you.
>
> FFS:
>
> Get cancer die a horrible death you vile POS.

Happy New Year to you too. :-)

What part of the country is wishing cancer on people a common salutation? Interesting.

--

Rick C.

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[Phil Allison]

gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
===========================
>
> > > >
> > > > The word " onomatopoeia " refers to words the mimic sounds.
> > > > Bang, crash, ting, boom etc.
> > > > Everyone gets that, no problem - right?
> > > >
> > > > Then tell me why many musicians I come across have no idea what the words " hum", " hiss " and " buzz" refer to ?
> > > > They all use the term "noise" but cannot go further.
>>
> > > Perhaps a similar matter as groups that only count, 1, 2, many.
> > ** Hum, hiss and buzz are *everyday* words.
>
> > Singers may hum, snakes hiss and bees buzz.
>
> None of which are electronic gadgets

** Totally fucking irrelevant - LOTS of things hum, hiss or buzz.

> or sound like them.

** On the contrary, the sounds are nearly identical.

> > > If the sound is not music, they don't care what it sounds like.
>
> > ** Caring and not having a fucking clue are nothing like the same.
> >
> > Obvious to almost anyone, but 100% incomprehensible to a brain fucked, autistic moron like you.
> >
> > FFS:

Get cancer & die a horrible death you vile AUTISTIC POS.

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 9:27:12 AM UTC+11, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> John Miles, KE5FX wrote:
> =====================
> >
> > > One of these shapes is a booba and one is a kiki. Which is which?
> >>
> > Dogs solve differential equations when they catch Frisbees,
> >
> ** Only appears that way.

They catch the Frisbee, so they have solved the differential equations.

> Anticipation, experience and guessing are the main tricks.

It looks more like analog computation, rather than digital, but it is being carried out in nerve cells just like ours which are bistable. It's just not any kind of formal mathematical analysis (which only precedes the process of solving specific differential equation anyway - any specific situation needs it own specific computation.

> Seen in most any sport or skill.

Which doesn't mean that differential equations aren't being solved.

> > so
>
> **False assumption is no basis for a conclusion.

As you have just illustrated.

> > it's not TOO surprising that people subconsciously associate
> > 2D Fourier transforms on images with 1D transforms on sounds.
>
> ** You are joking - right ?

Probably not.

<snipped Phil being even sillier than usual>

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 10:06:44 AM UTC+11, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 5:46:47 AM UTC-5, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> > gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

<snip>

> > Get cancer die a horrible death you vile POS.
>
> Happy New Year to you too. :-)
>

> In what part of the country is wishing cancer on people a common salutation? Interesting.

I've not run into anybody else who does it. Phil does seem to be uniquely psychopathic. If he is somewhere on the autism spectrum, he could be expected to get the finer details of social interaction subtly wrong - not that there's anything subtle about that salutation.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Phil Allison]

IEEE Bill is totally anencaphalic
===========================

> >>
> > > Dogs solve differential equations when they catch Frisbees,
> > >
> > ** Only appears that way.
> They catch the Frisbee, so they have solved the differential equations.

** ROTFL - utterly INSANE CRAP !!!

> > Anticipation, experience and guessing are the main tricks.

> It looks more like analog computation,

** ROTFL - utterly INSANE CRAP !!!

> > Seen in most any sport or skill.

> Which doesn't mean that differential equations aren't being solved.

** ROTFL - utterly INSANE CRAP !!!

>
> > **False assumption is no basis for a conclusion.

> As you have just illustrated.

** ROTFL - utterly INSANE CRAP !!!

> > > it's not TOO surprising that people subconsciously associate
> > > 2D Fourier transforms on images with 1D transforms on sounds.
> >
> > ** You are joking - right ?

> Probably not.

** ROTFL - utterly INSANE CRAP !!!

Bill needs to be exterminated, ASAP.

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 12:45:16 PM UTC+11, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> IEEE Bill is totally anencaphalic
> ===========================
> > >>
> > > > Dogs solve differential equations when they catch Frisbees,
> > > >
> > > ** Only appears that way.
>
> > They catch the Frisbee, so they have solved the differential equations.
>
> ** ROTFL - utterly INSANE CRAP !!!
>
> > > Anticipation, experience and guessing are the main tricks.
>

> > It looks more like analog computation, <the rest was snipped by Phil and is restored below>

>
> > rather than digital, but it is being carried out in nerve cells just like ours which are bistable. It's just not any kind of formal mathematical analysis (which only precedes the process of solving specific differential equation anyway - any specific situation needs it own specific computation.
>

> ** ROTFL - utterly INSANE CRAP !!!

Since Phil snipped all but the first clause of my sentence, any claim that he might be making to have a sane point of view is obviously deluded. Autisitc people are not good at social interaction, and Phil is brilliant at ant-social interaction.

<snip>

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Phil Allison]

IEEE Bill is totally ANENCEPHALIC
============================

>
>
> > > > > Dogs solve differential equations when they catch Frisbees,
> > > > >
> > > > ** Only appears that way.
> >
> > > They catch the Frisbee, so they have solved the differential equations.
> >
> > ** ROTFL - utterly INSANE CRAP !!!
> >
> > > > Anticipation, experience and guessing are the main tricks.
> >
> > > It looks more like analog computation,
>

> > ** ROTFL - utterly INSANE CRAP !!!
>
> Since Phil snipped all but the first clause of my sentence,

** Why reposr even more insane CRAP ???

> any claim that he might be making to have a sane point of view

** Is NOT refuted by an INSANE reply from IEEE Bill.

> Autisitc people are not good at social interaction,

** But are very good at INSANE ones - just like IEEE Bill .

FOAD you delusional, senile pile of shit.




...... Phil

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 2:04:42 PM UTC+11, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> IEEE Bill is totally ANENCEPHALIC
> ============================
> >
> >
> > > > > > Dogs solve differential equations when they catch Frisbees,
> > > > > >
> > > > > ** Only appears that way.
> > >
> > > > They catch the Frisbee, so they have solved the differential equations.
> > >
> > > ** ROTFL - utterly INSANE CRAP !!!
> > >
> > > > > Anticipation, experience and guessing are the main tricks.
> > >
> > > > It looks more like analog computation,
> >
> > > ** ROTFL - utterly INSANE CRAP !!!
> >
> > Since Phil snipped all but the first clause of my sentence,
>

> ** Why repost even more insane CRAP ???

Because selective snipping can make even the most sensible observation look like insane crap. It's called text-chopping, and you do make a habit of it.

> > any claim that he might be making to have a sane point of view <Phil snipped my sentence here - I've restored the rest below>
> >is obviously deluded. Autisitc people are not good at social interaction, and Phil is brilliant at anti-social interaction. .

> ** Is NOT refuted by an INSANE reply from IEEE Bill.

But my response was perfectly sane - the insanity here is all Phil's, some of it contributed by more of his text-chopping.

> > Autistic people are not good at social interaction,

>
> ** But are very good at INSANE ones - just like IEEE Bill .

Not a feature mentioned in clinical discussion of autistic behavior. Any interaction with other people is social, and autism is a state in which every such interaction is handled inexpertly.

Phil's over-reaction here would be a prime example.

> FOAD you delusional, senile pile of shit.

That's more like

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourette_syndrome

but Phil does make a habit of it, so it's more like an error of judgement than an involuntary tic. Another inexpertly handled social interaction.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney