On 15/09/2021 11:14, Brent Locher wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:11:03 AM UTC-4, John Robertson
>> On 2021/09/14 7:02 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 9:31:23 AM UTC+10,
>>>> I will be darned. More antivaxxers and now they are gaining
>>>> traction in a hospital. WOW. They are actually going to let
>>>> unvaccinated folks continue to work in the hospitals. Burn them
>>>> Down! How can anti science be gaining so much traction.....take
>>>> your vaccine or be labeled as anti-science...OK
>>>> Some people have been suggesting that natural immunity should
>>>> be looked at and all our resident men of science just want to
>>>> lump everyone who does not take the vaccination into the same
>>>> category (basically - "unvaccinated/unwashed and eligible for
Trust Brent Locher to read more into the report than it actually says.
Clearly, getting infected with Covid-19 and surviving involves
developing an immmunity to the virus.
At least for a while. Don't bet on not catching the next strain though.
Natural immunity seems to be fairly short lived. Antibodies are back to
baseline in about half the time that a vaccine generated immunity lasts.
Plenty of people in the UK have had Covid more than once in different
waves of the infection original and Kent or more commonly Kent & Delta.
>>> What he seems to miss is that that immunity will be to the actual
>>> strain that did the infection. The Covid-19 vaccine used in the
>>> west - Pfzer, Moderna, Astra-Zeneca and so on, use a version of
>>> the highly conserved Covid-19 spike protein as their antigen, and
>>> provoke antibodies to that that are more likely to work against
>>> new strains of the virus than antibodies to a larger chunk of the
>>> Covid-19 capsule. This has been pointed out to him at regular
>>> intervals, but the idea does seem to be too complicated for him
>>> to process - he's rather like Flyguy in this respect.
> The idea I am pushing is the immorality of forced vaccinations. So
> let me ask you as a man of science.....Should a person with the
> antibodies through a natural covid infection be forced (under threat
> of losing their job) to take the vaccine if they do not want to.
Actually as a scientist I do not approve of the forced vaccination of
individuals on pain of losing their job unless they are in very specific
occupations where it is strictly necessary. The military are for
instance required to have vaccinations against various nasty diseases
and potential bioweapons as a part of their conditions of employment.
I can see situations where that might also apply to some healthcare
workers on the front line with Covid *for their own safety* as well as
that of their patients. I can't see it ever applying to office workers
or farmers and nor should it. However, when the ignorant anti-vaxxers
catch Covid and repent on their death bed it is far too late!
> Lets just boil it down to this very simple question. I do find it
> curious how men of science feel they are intellectual giants for
> muddying up the waters of the most simple questions.
> (EG is a boy a boy and a girl a girl ---no can do)
That question is way more complicated than you can begin to imagine. Due
to genetic defects as well as XX = girl and XY = boy there are numerous
other possibilities some of which can be partially hermaphrodite or
still fully functioning XXX girls or XYY boys. Having too many X's or
Y's is a very bad thing but not everyone is XX or XY.
There is about 0.1% each of various other viable combinations can occur
naturally and not all of them are sterile. A fair proportion of them can
go undiagnosed and lead normal lives without ever finding out.
The most common forms have different heights and worse than average
teenage acne but some may also have learning difficulties.
>> I don't agree with Mr. Sloman about a few minor things but he is
>> right on the money on this topic.
>> "Some people" say a lot of things, the OP should provide links or
>> these "some people" are the same ghosts the orange one claimed
>> supported him.
>> Natural immunity means you SURVIVED the first bout with Covid-19.
>> In other words, you were one of the naturally more resistant to
>> the disease. You may have noticed how many people were dying from
>> the initial infection, but there are survivors.
Most people do get to survive Covid. Only 1% on average end up dead but
when you look at the older age groups that fatality rate rises to 10+%.
UK has about 10% of older refuseniks which means we are still going to
have at least another 60k preventable deaths before the pandemic is out.
Stupid is as stupid does. I'm sorry but they pretty much deserve what
they get for believing the anti-vaxxers. Darwinism is in action here.
(however most of them are beyond reproductive age)
Facebook and other social media have a case to answer for deliberately
spreading clickbait misinformation about Covid intended to mislead the
public and spread fear and anxiety amongst the credulous nincompoops
that make up an unfortunately high proportion of the general public.