The 24-year-old head armorer of Alec Baldwin's movie 'Rust' told a podcast she 'almost didn't take' her last job because she wasn't sure if she was 'ready'

[Fred Bloggs]

If they told us this at the start it would have saved a bunch of time. This thing woman is f_cking ditz head. In her interview she stated she was scared of loading blanks! So glad they had gender equality though! This is what happens when people are selected for jobs for reason totally unrelated to the job itself. This should give people a clue of where the U.S. is headed with all the female appointees and employees.

https://news.yahoo.com/24-old-head-armorer-alec-122916840.html

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 2:49:58 PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> If they told us this at the start it would have saved a bunch of time. This thing woman is f_cking ditz head. In her interview she stated she was scared of loading blanks! So glad they had gender equality though! This is what happens when people are selected for jobs for reason totally unrelated to the job itself. This should give people a clue of where the U.S. is headed with all the female appointees and employees.
>
> https://news.yahoo.com/24-old-head-armorer-alec-122916840.html

Should point out that the lethal accident WAS THE THIRD ACCIDENTAL LIVE FIRE DISCHARGE ON THAT SORRY ASS SET! The first time should have been the last time. Goes to show how stupid those people are.

[Ed Lee]

Just to be fair to the woman, 24 yro man might not do any better. By the way, anyone know how the blanks are identified? Different color?

[Fred Bloggs]

The live rounds have a bullet pressed into the cartridge, and it takes up most of the length. It's unmistakable. The blank has the end crimped and is much shorter and lighter. Anyone who can't tell the difference is retarded. A male armorer takes his job much more seriously, double checks his work, and never makes a mistake like this.

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <4f79203d-7e07-4725...@googlegroups.com>,
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com says...

>
> If they told us this at the start it would have saved a bunch of time. This thing woman is f_cking ditz head. In her interview she stated she was scared of loading blanks! So glad they had gender equality though! This is what happens when people are selected for jobs for reason totally unrelated to the job itself. This should
give people a clue of where the U.S. is headed with all the female appointees and employees.
>
> https://news.yahoo.com/24-old-head-armorer-alec-122916840.html
>
>

That sounds about right for today's generation. Takes a job they are
not ready for and an armorer that is afraid of the equipment that is
being used.

Maybe she should take a job as a fluffer on a porn movie.

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <b96003b3-a9b9-4bdb...@googlegroups.com>,
edward....@gmail.com says...

>
> Just to be fair to the woman, 24 yro man might not do any better. By the way, anyone know how the blanks are identified? Different color?
>
>

Main thing is why are any live rounds even being allowed on movie sets ?

I think in this movie they were using any thing they could to make it
cheap and save money.

[Ed Lee]

They might have to shoot at something real. But pointing a gun and pulling the trigger at the camera woman is just unacceptable. Was it a joke he was making?

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

https://blog-images.ammoman.com/blog/media/blank_ammo_cover-1280x640.jpg

I can't see any reason to have real* live ammo on a film set, but if showing ammo closeup, like loading a gun, you need
dummy rounds that look real but have no propellant or primers

*I read somewhere that industry practice use the term "live" for anything that'll go bang, including blanks

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <2978d68c-cfb2-4e8e...@googlegroups.com>,
edward....@gmail.com says...

>
> They might have to shoot at something real. But pointing a gun and pulling the trigger at the camera woman is just unacceptable. Was it a joke he was making?
>
>

Just what would they shoot at something real that special effects could
not do ?

[Fred Bloggs]

News articles are saying they used the term "cold" to mean the gun was loaded with blanks.

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

Stupidity is not unique to females. Nor is fear.





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but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was
always most valuable when he had lost it.

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

Gun kick looks more realistic with a real gun. But some studios are
doing the gun shots with totally fake guns and computer effects. It
worked for light sabers.

But gun shots are a fundamental part of the movie industry.

[Fred Bloggs]

A bullet causes what's called a cavitation as it passes through the target. Cavitation is a high pressure shockwave traveling radially outward from the axis of the trajectory. A big 45 caliber bullet can cause a cavitation of as much as 4 inches, it ends up stretching and rupturing everything it comes in contact with. The cavitation from a square chest shot should destroy the heart, in addition to a bunch of absolutely vital blood vessels, like the aorta.

Back in the old days, bullets were expensive and hard to come by. When they shot something they wanted it dead right then and there, and with one shot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunshot_wound#Pathophysiology

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 4:10:55 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:49:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >If they told us this at the start it would have saved a bunch of time. This thing woman is f_cking ditz head. In her interview she stated she was scared of loading blanks! So glad they had gender equality though! This is what happens when people are selected for jobs for reason totally unrelated to the job itself. This should give people a clue of where the U.S. is headed with all the female appointees and employees.
> >
> >https://news.yahoo.com/24-old-head-armorer-alec-122916840.html
> Stupidity is not unique to females. Nor is fear.

Baldwin and the set assistant director demonstrated that.

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

lørdag den 23. oktober 2021 kl. 22.14.37 UTC+2 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:44:24 -0400, Ralph Mowery
> <rmow...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <2978d68c-cfb2-4e8e...@googlegroups.com>,
> >edward....@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> They might have to shoot at something real. But pointing a gun and pulling the trigger at the camera woman is just unacceptable. Was it a joke he was making?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Just what would they shoot at something real that special effects could
> >not do ?
> Gun kick looks more realistic with a real gun. But some studios are
> doing the gun shots with totally fake guns and computer effects. It
> worked for light sabers.

guns without some recoil it looks extremely fake, so they use blanks.
But actually shooting at something with real bullets?

[Phil Allison]

Ed Lee wrote:
===========

>
> They might have to shoot at something real.

** All the time - the you see the damages happen.

> But pointing a gun and pulling the trigger at the camera woman is just unacceptable.

** FFS are you totally stupid ??

Close up, head on shots of a man with gun about to fire are very common.
He has to pull the trigger to make it look real.
Then some smoke needs to appear.
The sound effect is added later.


...... Phil

[Phil Allison]

Ralph Mowery wrote:

===================

>
> Just what would they shoot at something real that special effects could
> not do ?

** Bullshit question.





..... Phil

[Jasen Betts]

Blank rounds usually have the neck of the casing crimped
to close the casing, (although some have the neck closed with
a paper disc etc instead). It would be hard for a blind person to mistake them
for live rounds.

In any case in this instance Baldwin claims that he was told that the
gun was not loaded at all (or loaded with dummy rounds)

--
Jasen.

[Flyguy]

This whole thing went south when the assistant director grabbed a gun off of a cart placed there by this so-called armorer and rushed it to Baldwin w/o clearing it and said that it was "cold." Why did the armorer put a live round in the gun to begin with? This is shear incompetence on her part. Why didn't the assistant clear the weapon? Why didn't Baldwin clear the weapon? Where did the live round come from? This reminds me of airplane accidents that are the result of not one single fault, but a chain of faults. These idiots had multiple chances to catch their mistake and blew every one. This stinks of a totally absent safety culture that prioritizes speed over safety, which is what the original crew was complaining about.

[Phil Allison]

Jasen Betts wrote:
================

> > In any case in this instance Baldwin claims that he was told that the
> > gun was not loaded at all (or loaded with dummy rounds)
> >
>

> This whole thing went south when the assistant director grabbed a gun off of a cart
> placed there by this so-called armorer and rushed it to Baldwin w/o clearing it and
> said that it was "cold." Why did the armorer put a live round in the gun to begin with?
> This is shear incompetence on her part. Why didn't the assistant clear the weapon?
> Why didn't Baldwin clear the weapon? Where did the live round come from?
>

** FFS how many times do you have to be told a "dummy" round looks like a live one.
They are used in any situation where the round may become visible on camera.

Eg
actor loading the gun OR with a revolver a close up shot that shows the cylinder from the front.
As in this case.

https://pixers.net.au/stickers/revolver-38-caliber-pistol-loaded-cylinder-gun-barrel-pointed-51377417


...... Phil

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 8:41:24 PM UTC-4, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> Jasen Betts wrote:
> ================
> > > In any case in this instance Baldwin claims that he was told that the
> > > gun was not loaded at all (or loaded with dummy rounds)
> > >
> >
> > This whole thing went south when the assistant director grabbed a gun off of a cart
> > placed there by this so-called armorer and rushed it to Baldwin w/o clearing it and
> > said that it was "cold." Why did the armorer put a live round in the gun to begin with?
> > This is shear incompetence on her part. Why didn't the assistant clear the weapon?
> > Why didn't Baldwin clear the weapon? Where did the live round come from?
> >
> ** FFS how many times do you have to be told a "dummy" round looks like a live one.
> They are used in any situation where the round may become visible on camera.

That round you're calling a dummy is inert, there is no propellant in the cartridge. You can't use those in place of blank which is supposed to make noise and smoke.

[Phil Allison]

Fred Bloggs wrote:
===============

> Jasen Betts wrote:
> > ================
> > > > In any case in this instance Baldwin claims that he was told that the
> > > > gun was not loaded at all (or loaded with dummy rounds)
> > > >
> > >
> > > This whole thing went south when the assistant director grabbed a gun off of a cart
> > > placed there by this so-called armorer and rushed it to Baldwin w/o clearing it and
> > > said that it was "cold." Why did the armorer put a live round in the gun to begin with?
> > > This is shear incompetence on her part. Why didn't the assistant clear the weapon?
> > > Why didn't Baldwin clear the weapon? Where did the live round come from?
> > >
>
> > ** FFS how many times do you have to be told a "dummy" round looks like a live one.
> > They are used in any situation where the round may become visible on camera.
>
> That round you're calling a dummy is inert, there is no propellant in the cartridge.
> You can't use those in place of blank which is supposed to make noise and smoke.

** FFS shithead - a "cold" gun does not go bang.

It may have dummy rounds in it for looks.
So it cannot be " cleared " of rounds.


......Phil

[Fred Bloggs]

These people made it sound like a cold gun was loaded with blanks. Why would someone point a gun with useless inert rounds at the camera and pull the trigger. One video shows the rifle they were using as manual bolt action. Live blanks are required to operate an automatic bolt action, but it doesn't look like that's what they were using.
Go waste someone else's time on irrelevant minutia.

[Phil Allison]

Fred Bloggs Moron wrote:
====================

> > > > > > In any case in this instance Baldwin claims that he was told that the
> > > > > > gun was not loaded at all (or loaded with dummy rounds)
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This whole thing went south when the assistant director grabbed a gun off of a cart
> > > > > placed there by this so-called armorer and rushed it to Baldwin w/o clearing it and
> > > > > said that it was "cold." Why did the armorer put a live round in the gun to begin with?
> > > > > This is shear incompetence on her part. Why didn't the assistant clear the weapon?
> > > > > Why didn't Baldwin clear the weapon? Where did the live round come from?
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > ** FFS how many times do you have to be told a "dummy" round looks like a live one.
> > > > They are used in any situation where the round may become visible on camera.
> > >
> > > That round you're calling a dummy is inert, there is no propellant in the cartridge.
> > > You can't use those in place of blank which is supposed to make noise and smoke.
> > ** FFS shithead - a "cold" gun does not go bang.
>
> These people made it sound like a cold gun was loaded with blanks.

** Bullshit - the words used were " cold gun" .

> Why would someone point a gun with useless inert rounds at the camera and pull the trigger.

** To show the cylinder rotate ??

Till we know what the scene was about, there is no clue.

> One video shows the rifle they were using as manual bolt action.

** Nope - it was a Colt revolver of the period.
All over the recent news reports.

FOAD soon.


...... Phil

[Rick C]

On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 12:29:10 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:

My understanding is this was not about a live round being in the gun, rather as was the case in another fatal shooting on a movie set some time back, the problem was some material remaining in the barrel after having been fired successfully on a previous occasion. I read about this a few days ago where they compared this to a couple of other fatalities including Brandon Lee's death where a portion of a bullet was in the barrel. In no case I found was a bullet found to be or have been on set. "Live rounds" includes blanks which is what was supposed to be used in this case.

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Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:b96003b3-a9b9-4bdb...@googlegroups.com:

Try one has a HUGE slug at the end of the cartridge and the other
NOT! Oh and then there is the also HUGE weight difference. Any 14
year old could be taught to discern them easily, much less any 24
year old. Some people need to undergo an aptitude test before
certain job types get filled.

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Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ee619df9-5262-44b7...@googlegroups.com:

+1 Males know (more) about moving deadly masses about... It's a
phalic thing. My deadly mass moves pretty fast (with my ass behind
it) and makes all the girls say "don't... stop... don't... stop...
Makes us better pool players too. :-) We are good at pushing things
around.

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:49:53 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
<4f79203d-7e07-4725...@googlegroups.com>:

>If they told us this at the start it would have saved a bunch of time. This

>thing woman is f_cking ditz head. In her interview she stated she was scared
>of loading blanks! So glad they had gender equality though! This is what
>happens when people are selected for jobs for reason totally unrelated to
>the job itself. This should give people a clue of where the U.S. is headed
>with all the female appointees and employees.
>
>https://news.yahoo.com/24-old-head-armorer-alec-122916840.html

Well not sure if it is a male or female question,
but to make somebody 'head armorer' who has no clue about guns ..
well, US will also happely make the head of a cookie factory
head of an electronics company, no in depth knowledge needed...
Who was heading Boeing when their planes started falling out of the sky?
And seems rich peple were buying places for their kids
in well known universities...
And blacks no longer need to know math to get a degree?


Whats new?

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Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:4bb8b205-5442-4b4b...@googlegroups.com:

Squid Game

[Phil Allison]

gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
========================

>
> My understanding is this was not about a live round being in the gun,
> rather as was the case in another fatal shooting on a movie set some time back,

** Nonsense.

> the problem was some material remaining in the barrel after having been fired
> successfully on a previous occasion.

** Wrong again. A DIY dummy round was fired by the cap being left behind.

> a couple of other fatalities including Brandon Lee's death where a portion of a bullet
> was in the barrel.

** Still wrong - it was the whole slug.

> In no case I found was a bullet found to be or have been on set.
> "Live rounds" includes blanks which is what was supposed to be used in this case.

** More wrong.

It was supposed to be a " cold gun " so no cap or powder.
The Colt revolver went off by accident while being withdrawn from its holster - firing sideways to how Alec was standing.

The people struck were not near the camera but were crowded around a monitor.
So a double freak accident.



...... Phil

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Jasen Betts <use...@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote in news:sl25ni$c9l$1
@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org:

> Blank rounds usually have the neck of the casing crimped

No. Blank rounds for a starter pistol. But ANYTHING on a movie set
where aiming directly at someone will NEVER have ANY brass out in front
of the exploding charge. They are standard cartridges with paper and
or wax seals being all there is to blow out.

Don't want no flying crimps heading toward any actors.

[Ed Lee]

> The Colt revolver went off by accident while being withdrawn from its holster - firing sideways to how Alec was standing.
>
> The people struck were not near the camera but were crowded around a monitor.
> So a double freak accident.

I see no report of this. Some says "the actor fired the gun", not a misfire. Perhaps we need to wait for more reporting.

[Rick C]

Hey! This is s.e.d, don't be talking sense!

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[Ed Lee]

On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 10:04:33 PM UTC-7, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 9:56:40 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > The Colt revolver went off by accident while being withdrawn from its holster - firing sideways to how Alec was standing.
> > >
> > > The people struck were not near the camera but were crowded around a monitor.
> > > So a double freak accident.
> > I see no report of this. Some says "the actor fired the gun", not a misfire. Perhaps we need to wait for more reporting.
> Hey! This is s.e.d, don't be talking sense!

I know they probably want a direct shot aiming at the camera, but camera man/woman can stay away from the line of fire with a simple wire or wireless remote. So, we need more info before talking about what happened.

[Phil Allison]

Ed Lee wrote:
==========

>>
> > The Colt revolver went off by accident while being withdrawn from its holster - firing sideways to how Alec was standing.
> >
> > The people struck were not near the camera but were crowded around a monitor.
> > So a double freak accident.
>
> I see no report of this. Some says "the actor fired the gun", not a misfire.

** Just this afternoon. Very detailed.
Alec was a waking backwards out the door of the church building.
The ( digital ) camera was inside the church, unattended buy its normal crew.

Wonder if it was running at the time.


.... Phil

[Phil Allison]

Phil Allison wrote:
===============

See:

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/alec-baldwin-rust-onset-shooting-director-joel-souza-speaks/news-story/cdeae13bf91b8c5a9d8c5c8a6a370363


.... Phil

[Corvid]

On 10/23/21 12:13 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

> A male armorer takes his job much more seriously, double checks his
> work, and never makes a mistake like this.

Double-checking *your own* work isn't good enough. Someone else needs to
do that.

If I mess up something the first time, it often looks just as fine to me
the second time I look at it.

[Tom Del Rosso]

Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>
> guns without some recoil it looks extremely fake, so they use blanks.
> But actually shooting at something with real bullets?

According to one journalist who is an NRA member (the kind of person
they should have had on set, but never would allow) the gun was first
used with a squib, which looks like a bullet but has no powder, then
with a blank, which propelled a leftover fragment of the squib.

https://youtu.be/azacEn1OU_4?t=539


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[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

she's just speculating because that is what happened to Brandon Lee

a squib it is a malfunction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squib_load

[Corvid]

On 10/23/21 5:26 PM, Flyguy wrote:
> This whole thing went south when the assistant director grabbed a
> gun off of a cart placed there by this so-called armorer and rushed
> it to Baldwin w/o clearing it and said that it was "cold." Why did
> the armorer put a live round in the gun to begin with? This is shear
> incompetence on her part. Why didn't the assistant clear the weapon?
> Why didn't Baldwin clear the weapon? Where did the live round come
> from? This reminds me of airplane accidents that are the result of
> not one single fault, but a chain of faults. These idiots had
> multiple chances to catch their mistake and blew every one. This
> stinks of a totally absent safety culture that prioritizes speed
> over safety, which is what the original crew was complaining about.

The story is suddenly even more interesting. They should make this into
a new movie, Rust, about the making of the movie Rust.

"The sources claimed some crew members took guns off set to practice
with live ammo, which they believe found its way into Alec Baldwin's gun"

Some of the winger NRA member gun nut crew, "the kind of person they
should have had on set, but never would allow", took the gun out to play
with!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10124917/Gun-went-Alec-Baldwins-hands-killed-Halyna-Hutchins-used-target-practice.html

(It's probably the article that Phil pointed to yesterday.)

[Ed Lee]

The 64 million judgement is who did it and what and when Baldwin knew. Can't blame the 24 yro if there were live bullets left in the gun. From back of the wheel, it's hard to tell the difference between real and blank. She would have to look from the front of the wheel to see, but that is also bad practice. Most people check a revolver wheel from the back.

[Rick C]

WTF??? If you are the person responsible, you are responsible. If the weapon has been out of your control at all, you take it apart if required to verify its state. I'm surprised it is not routine to use a tool to verify the barrel is clear of debris before firing a live round even if blank. Any bit of contamination can turn into a projectile when fired.

There is no excuse for the person responsible not knowing the complete state of the weapon, period. Everyone else takes information provided by this person as gospel.

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[Flyguy]

This whole debacle just keeps on getting more and more bizarre. For a prop gun to be taken off-set for target practice, which obviously requires live rounds, is totally against all safety protocols. And having live rounds on-set is yet another indefensible breach of safety protocols. If found to be true, which it appears to be, this would mean that Gutierrez-Reed, the so-called armorer, was completely and utterly incompetent. It is no wonder why the fired union crew were rightfully concerned about gun safety on the set. This production was a sordid layer cake of incompetence, negligence and hubris. Someone needs to be held criminally accountable, and The Jerk Baldwin is at the top of that short list. Soon to come will be multi-million dollar civil lawsuits.

[Ed Lee]

> This whole debacle just keeps on getting more and more bizarre. For a prop gun to be taken off-set for target practice, which obviously requires live rounds, is totally against all safety protocols. And having live rounds on-set is yet another indefensible breach of safety protocols. If found to be true, which it appears to be, this would mean that Gutierrez-Reed, the so-called armorer, was completely and utterly incompetent. It is no wonder why the fired union crew were rightfully concerned about gun safety on the set. This production was a sordid layer cake of incompetence, negligence and hubris. Someone needs to be held criminally accountable, and The Jerk Baldwin is at the top of that short list. Soon to come will be multi-million dollar civil lawsuits.

We still don't have all the details. I assume the gun was in a lock box with Reed having a key, but who else? Who took it out with or without Reed and Baldwin knowing. Yes, Baldwin will be somewhat responsible as the boss who set the rules. How much he know and overlook would determine his liabilities. I think 64 millions sound right.

[Phil Allison]

Ed Lee wrote:
==============

> The 64 million judgement is who did it and what and when Baldwin knew.
> Can't blame the 24 yro if there were live bullets left in the gun.

** HUh ?? Was her job to check.

> From back of the wheel, it's hard to tell the difference between real and blank.
> She would have to look from the front of the wheel to see, but that is also bad practice.

** Absolute garbage.

> Most people check a revolver wheel from the back.

** FFS there were NO "blank" rounds in the gun.

Dummy rounds look real - that is the whole idea.
Used when the camera can see the rounds from some angle.


..... Phil

[Tom Del Rosso]

Yeah I just came back here to correct that because I just realized she
was refering to the Lee case.

Although the gun in this case was used with real bullets when the crew
was playing with it after hours, and they stored real ammo near the
blanks.

[Phil Allison]

Tom Del Rosso wrote:
==================

>
> Although the gun in this case was used with real bullets when the crew
> was playing with it after hours, and they stored real ammo near the
> blanks.
> --

** FFS - grooaaannn....

When are you cock heads going to use the correct names ??
Blanks and live rounds look *very different*.

Alec's gun was not meant to have blanks.
It was meant to have *dummy* rounds.
Dummy rounds are inert lookalikes for lives ones.

You see them all the time in western movies when a gun is being loaded or unloaded.
Also when a close up image of a revolver must not show empty chambers.



...... Phil

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Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:507b0eb1-dff4-41eb...@googlegroups.com:

Prop 'ordnance' are not weapons. Decidedly so. Hell they do not
even qualify for the 'ordnance' moniker and any weapon would.

[Rick C]

Let's see, it fires bullets and kills people. Yeah, that's a weapon. Duh!

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[Flyguy]

LOL! DecayedBrainMatter just confirmed her total, fucking ignorance AFTER the facts PROVE that:
1. A person died (Duh!).
2. That person died from a GUN SHOT.
3. The person that fired that gun was The Jerk Baldwin.
DecayedBrainMatter is swimming, not just upstream, but up the FUCKING NIAGRA FALLS!!

[Flyguy]

And I "assume" that you don't know shit. By all reports the gun not only WASN'T in a "lock box," but it was taken out by the crew for target practice. This whole operation smells worse than the LA sewage treatment center.

[Flyguy]

Such pathetic ignorance I have never seen before. It's NOT called a "wheel," but a cylinder. The places the rounds go are called "chambers."
https://crimefictionbook.com/2015/10/22/revolver-pistol-differences/
You ALWAYS have the gun pointed away from you AND everyone else. Period. To check if the barrel of a revolver is clear you MUST open the cylinder to see down the barrel from the rear.

Blanks in the cylinder will look very similar, if not identical, to live rounds - the only way to check them is to empty them out of the cylinder for a visual inspection.
https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-recognize-blank-bullets

[Phil Allison]

Flyguy wrote:
-------------------

> palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Ed Lee wrote:
> > ==============
> > > The 64 million judgement is who did it and what and when Baldwin knew.
> > > Can't blame the 24 yro if there were live bullets left in the gun.
> > ** HUh ?? Was her job to check.
> > > From back of the wheel, it's hard to tell the difference between real and blank.
> > > She would have to look from the front of the wheel to see, but that is also bad practice.
> > ** Absolute garbage.
> > > Most people check a revolver wheel from the back.
> > ** FFS there were NO "blank" rounds in the gun.
> >
> > Dummy rounds look real - that is the whole idea.
> > Used when the camera can see the rounds from some angle.
> >

> Such pathetic ignorance I have never seen before.
> It's NOT called a "wheel," but a cylinder.
> The places the rounds go are called "chambers."

** FYI asshole - I have consistently used the * correct* terms.

> Blanks in the cylinder will look very similar, if not identical, to live rounds

** FFS imbecile - how many times do you need to be told that claim is 100% WRONG!!

A " blank" has no metal projectile at all.
Very, very visible !!!



...... Phil

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <a97ecd80-7d7a-4765...@googlegroups.com>,
soar2...@yahoo.com says...

>
> Such pathetic ignorance I have never seen before. It's NOT called a "wheel," but a cylinder. The places the rounds go are called "chambers."
> https://crimefictionbook.com/2015/10/22/revolver-pistol-differences/
> You ALWAYS have the gun pointed away from you AND everyone else. Period. To check if the barrel of a revolver is clear you MUST open the cylinder to see down the barrel from the rear.
>
>
>

If you are picking nits about the wheel, the old western revolvers do
not have cylinders that swing out. They are fixed in place and to
load/unload them there is a loading gate on the side that is used.
No way to look down the barrel from the rear.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:09ce09fb-633b-4759...@googlegroups.com:

NO! You stupid fuck! A "weapon" is a purpose built device.

A PROP is a purpose built device.

One is not the other.

Having functional weapons and live rounds on the set of a film
making session is a trademark of Ukraine film making practice.
She may have wanted the "realism" and got more than she thought she
would get.

[Phil Allison]

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

==============================

>
> >
> NO! You stupid fuck! A "weapon" is a purpose built device.
>
> A PROP is a purpose built device.

** Utter total GARBAGE !!!

The term "prop" is shorthand for " property " .
It refers to any non fixed item on a set.
Nearly all of them are normal manufactured items.

> Having functional weapons and live rounds on the set of a film
> making session is a trademark of Ukraine film making practice.

** As if you have any fucking idea.

> She may have wanted the "realism" and got more than she thought she
> would get.

** Criminally insane, made up drivel.


..... Phil

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:a97ecd80-7d7a-4765...@googlegroups.com:

A simple Google search of "wheel gun" reveals 128,000.000 hits, the
first page of which blow your stupid shit mumblings right out of the
water.

They have only been called that from the get go.

[Phil Allison]

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
================================

> A simple Google search of "wheel gun" reveals 128,000.000 hits,

** ???? That 128,000 or are the zeros after the decimal important?

Anyhow, nearly all the hits are for a power tool with that name.

> They have only been called that from the get go.

** Massive, stupid fallacy.
Wheel gun is a rare slang term for a revolver.

The name "cylinder" for the cartridge holder is ab initio.
Wot a fucking LIAR you are.


...... Phil

[Rick C]

There is a type of firearm called a wheellock which is precursor to the flintlock. I don't think that was part of this accident.

--

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[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:a8e95fad-5ced-4e50-
8ba5-1245...@googlegroups.com:

A quote: "Halyna Hutchins is remembered as an up-and-coming
cinematographer from Ukraine. Striving for authenticity, films often
use real guns on set. 'These guns are for real.'" -NYTimes

Your criminal mother made up a story telling people she gave birth
to you, when you in fact, was shat from her shit canal, not her birth
canal. We should find her and put the slut away.

[Phil Allison]

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

==============================
> >>
> >> >
> >> NO! You stupid fuck! A "weapon" is a purpose built device.
> >>
> >> A PROP is a purpose built device.
> >
> > ** Utter total GARBAGE !!!
> >
> > The term "prop" is shorthand for " property " .
> > It refers to any non fixed item on a set.
> > Nearly all of them are normal manufactured items.
> >
> >> Having functional weapons and live rounds on the set of a film
> >> making session is a trademark of Ukraine film making practice.
> >
> > ** As if you have any fucking idea.
> >
> >> She may have wanted the "realism" and got more than she thought
> she would get.
> >
> > ** Criminally insane, made up drivel.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

>
> A quote: "Halyna Hutchins is remembered as an up-and-coming
> cinematographer from Ukraine. Striving for authenticity, films often
> use real guns on set. 'These guns are for real.'" -NYTimes

** What disgusting fake quote.

The actual Times item is here:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/10/22/us/alec-baldwin-shooting-movie-set

Three separate quotes from different sources have been pick out and assembled into one.
Like I commented above:

" ** Criminally insane, made up drivel. "

==========================


..... Phil

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:164fff8f-7833-43b6...@googlegroups.com:

> DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> ================================
>
>> A simple Google search of "wheel gun" reveals 128,000.000 hits,
>
> ** ???? That 128,000 or are the zeros after the decimal
> important?
>

It was 128 million, ya dopey dipshit. Hitting the period instead
of the comma was a typo. You are a thick-O.

> Anyhow, nearly all the hits are for a power tool with that name.
>

ALL of the first page hits are about revolvers you retarded lying
TrumpLike sack of shit.

>> They have only been called that from the get go.
>
> ** Massive, stupid fallacy.
> Wheel gun is a rare slang term for a revolver.

Absolutely not. It was old west slang and it was also used in NYC
by the police, and it got revitalized and used as police forces began
embracing semi-automatic weapons for use as their 'service weapon'.

> The name "cylinder" for the cartridge holder is ab initio.
> Wot a fucking LIAR you are.

You are just a zero life exprience total retard, guessing as you
go... that's all Phil... child... immature putz. That's really all
you are about.

[Phil Allison]

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
===================================

> >
> >> A simple Google search of "wheel gun" reveals 128,000.000 hits,
> >
> > ** ???? That 128,000 or are the zeros after the decimal
> > important?
> >
> It was 128 million,

** Massive stupid LIE
----------------------------------------
----------------------------------------

> > Anyhow, nearly all the hits are for a power tool with that name.
> >
> ALL of the first page hits are about revolvers

** Massive stupid LIE !!!

> > ** Massive, stupid fallacy.
> > Wheel gun is a rare slang term for a revolver.
>
> Absolutely not. It was old west slang and it was also used in NYC
> by the police, and it got revitalized and used as police forces began
> embracing semi-automatic weapons for use as their 'service weapon'.

** So it IS a rare slang term for a type of ** gun ** .

Not the fucking cylinder part !!!!!
===========================

The name "cylinder" for the cartridge holder is ab initio.
Wot a fucking LIAR you are.

..... Phil

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:4d067d6d-719d-46f8-
b5a5-5723...@googlegroups.com:

> ** So it IS a rare slang term for a type of ** gun ** .
>

No. NOT "rare slang" you retarded fuck.

Common use among industries where handguns are used, such as law
enforcement.

It was also used in a slightly derogative way by those LEOs whom were
the early adopters of semi-automatic firearms once they were allowed,
as they would rib the officers that had yet to change or were not going
to.

Again, you stupid fuck, you know absofuckinglutely NOTHING about it.

[Phil Allison]

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
======================

> > ** So it IS a rare slang term for a type of ** gun ** .
> >
> No. NOT "rare slang"

** It fucking well rare and slang - you nut case LIAR !!!

> Common use among industries where handguns are used, such as law
> enforcement.

** So both rare and slang.

> It was also used in a slightly derogative way by those LEOs

** Just *slang* - not even jargon.

And NOT RELEVANT to the gun's cylinder.
================================
================================

FOAD you Schizo prick.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:64513a95-ace8-40b4-
b75b-fa9b...@googlegroups.com:

Right there in the very first line...

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolver>

It refers directly to "the gun's cylinder". You STUPID PUTZ!

You ain't real bright, PhilTard.

[Flyguy]

Hey DecayedBrainMatter, your stupidity exceeds even my diminished expectations!

[Flyguy]

Dude, you can't see the business end of the round when you open the cylinder - you see the primer end. The round must be removed from the cylinder to see the other end.

[Phil Allison]

Decayed Brain Martter wrote:
=============================

>
> >> > ** So it IS a rare slang term for a type of ** gun ** .
> >> >
> >> No. NOT "rare slang"
> >
> > ** It fucking well rare and slang - you nut case LIAR !!!
> >
> >> Common use among industries where handguns are used, such as law
> >> enforcement.
> >
> > ** So both rare and slang.
> >
> >> It was also used in a slightly derogative way by those LEOs
> >
> > ** Just *slang* - not even jargon.
> >
> > And NOT RELEVANT to the gun's cylinder.
> > ================================
> > ================================
> >
> > FOAD you Schizo prick.
> >
> Right there in the very first line...
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolver>
>
> It refers directly to "the gun's cylinder". You STUPID PUTZ!
>

** Massive lie.

The rare slang term " wheel gun" refers to a type of gun.
The bullet " cylinder " is known everywhere only by that name.

FOAD you Schizo POS asshole .



...... Phil

[Phil Allison]

Flyguy wrote:
==========

>
> > ** FYI asshole - I have consistently used the * correct* terms.
> > > Blanks in the cylinder will look very similar, if not identical, to live rounds
>>
> > ** FFS imbecile - how many times do you need to be told that claim is 100% WRONG!!
> >
> > A " blank" has no metal projectile at all.
> > Very, very visible !!!
> >
>

> Dude, you can't see the business end of the round when you open the cylinder
> - you see the primer end.
> The round must be removed from the cylinder to see the other end.
>

** FFS is there no end to this rabid INSANITY ???

You do not even need to open the fucking cylinder:

https://pixers.net.au/stickers/revolver-38-caliber-pistol-loaded-cylinder-gun-barrel-pointed-51377417



...... Phil

[Martin Brown]

On 24/10/2021 01:41, Phil Allison wrote:
>
> Jasen Betts wrote:
> ================
>>> In any case in this instance Baldwin claims that he was told that the
>>> gun was not loaded at all (or loaded with dummy rounds)

>>>
>>
>> This whole thing went south when the assistant director grabbed a gun off of a cart
>> placed there by this so-called armorer and rushed it to Baldwin w/o clearing it and
>> said that it was "cold." Why did the armorer put a live round in the gun to begin with?
>> This is shear incompetence on her part. Why didn't the assistant clear the weapon?
>> Why didn't Baldwin clear the weapon? Where did the live round come from?
>>
>

> ** FFS how many times do you have to be told a "dummy" round looks like a live one.
> They are used in any situation where the round may become visible on camera.

Which is fair enough but they shouldn't have lead bullets in them if
they are intended as stage props for close ups. Live ammunition is
distinctly nose heavy. There is no reason why stage props have to be so.

> Eg
> actor loading the gun OR with a revolver a close up shot that shows the cylinder from the front.
> As in this case.
>
> https://pixers.net.au/stickers/revolver-38-caliber-pistol-loaded-cylinder-gun-barrel-pointed-51377417

The key point appears to be that at least one live round somehow got
mixed up with the look alike close shot dummy rounds.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:94ae88f8-0f2e-4b08-
a7ef-c3ac...@googlegroups.com:

> Decayed Brain Martter wrote:
> =============================
>>
>> >> > ** So it IS a rare slang term for a type of ** gun ** .
>> >> >
>> >> No. NOT "rare slang"
>> >
>> > ** It fucking well rare and slang - you nut case LIAR !!!
>> >
>> >> Common use among industries where handguns are used, such as
law
>> >> enforcement.
>> >
>> > ** So both rare and slang.
>> >
>> >> It was also used in a slightly derogative way by those LEOs
>> >
>> > ** Just *slang* - not even jargon.
>> >
>> > And NOT RELEVANT to the gun's cylinder.
>> > ================================
>> > ================================
>> >
>> > FOAD you Schizo prick.
>> >
>> Right there in the very first line...
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolver>
>>
>> It refers directly to "the gun's cylinder". You STUPID PUTZ!
>>
>
> ** Massive lie.
>
> The rare slang term " wheel gun" refers to a type of gun.

Nope. It refers to... directly to revolvers.

> The bullet " cylinder " is known everywhere only by that name.

Except, you stupid putz child who cannot handle losing a debate,
when it is referred to as a wheel gun. Which it very often is even
today. It is NOT a "rare slang" term. It IS a COMMONLY USED
nickname for a revolver. It is not about the cylinder. The nickname
refers to the entire gun type.

Wheels revolve. A revolver revolves.

You brain has been daed since the day your whore mother shat you
out to infest the world with your abject stupidity.

You lose, again, motherfucker.

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <be89c6b5-0efb-4bb3...@googlegroups.com>,
palli...@gmail.com says...

>
> You do not even need to open the fucking cylinder:
>
> https://pixers.net.au/stickers/revolver-38-caliber-pistol-loaded-cylinder-gun-barrel-pointed-51377417
>
>
>

Anyoe with any good training at all would know not to point a gun at
theirselves , especially to check to see if it was loaded.

The old western guns cylinders do not swing out. There is no way from
the back end of the gun to give it a quick look. The loading gate must
be opened and the cylinder rotated by hand so each hole will pass by to
check to see if anything is in the gun.

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <sl8ftc$1o8t$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk
says...

>
> The key point appears to be that at least one live round somehow got
> mixed up with the look alike close shot dummy rounds.
>
>
>

From what I am seeing is that some of the stage people were using live
rounds to shoot to pass time when not working.

That should have never been allowed.

[Ed Lee]

If not Baldwin himself. At least with him knowing. The 24 yro was only on the job for days, still figuring out how to get to the restroom.

[Rick C]

So you think Baldwin knew all about getting to the restroom which makes him responsible for the actions of a professional and expert in a field?

I think we should hold Caltran responsible! If they provided free movie props, the filming would have been in California where safety is more important than getting work done with the only shooting being with a camera.

--

Rick C.

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[Ed Lee]

Well, he is responsible for firing the previous armorer and hiring the new armorer. But until the new armorer is up to speed, the boss is still responsible for what happened. If i am her, i would say:

Defendent absolutely and category deny any responsibility to the incident. I was hired to the job only days before the time of the incident, and was still in the process of the transition of taking over the task. When the transition task is completed, i would secure the properties (firearms and bullets) in my absolute and total control, including but not limited to, checking all inventories and changing all locks. However, this defendent was not yet in total control of the situation, and despite my suggestion, the primary defendent went ahead with production before the proper transition was completed.

[Corvid]

On 10/26/21 10:25 AM, Rick C wrote:
>> If not Baldwin himself. At least with him knowing. The 24 yro was
>> only on the job for days, still figuring out how to get to the
>> restroom.
> So you think Baldwin knew all about getting to the restroom which
> makes him responsible for the actions of a professional and expert
> in a field?

The same armorer had previously handed a gun to a child actress, an 11
year-old girl, without adequately inspecting it. Nobody would hold the
girl responsible if there had been an accident.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Ralph Mowery <rmow...@charter.net> wrote in
news:MPG.3be1dbbdc...@news.eternal-september.org:

There were "half cock" versions where only a single round would be
already lined up with the barrell and the trigger half cocked such
that pulling back the hammer to full cock position does not rotate
the cylinder as it was previously rotated by the half cocking set.
In such a case, a round could be in the gun and ready and not be
visible from the front.

But most old western guns were single action through and through
and had no "half cock" position for the hammer and every cocking
rotates the cylinder.

In any event no actual operable guns, much less matching ammunition
should have been on the set, other than the one(s) the security crew
utilizes.

I have a question... Has anyone here seen "Squid Game"? and if
so, how do you think they do the so realistic shootings that are in
every episode? (not the film... guns!).

They were made in South Korea (The show) and it is very good
cinematography. Y'all should check it out and do it before dinner.

Squid Game is on Netflix.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Ralph Mowery <rmow...@charter.net> wrote in

news:MPG.3be1dc622...@news.eternal-september.org:

I agree. Any shooting range should be constructed at least 50
yards from any set and facing away from it.

Naaaaw... I really do agree with you, pay no atention to that
joke.
There is a time and a place for extracirricular activities and that
is after shooting... and OFF set. And one's guns and ammo belong
off set as well.

In NYC one has to keep one's gun in their trunk and disassembled
and the ammo elsewhere. Stemmed out of the old mob days when, I
guess, Sicillian drive bys and barbershop assassinations were
occuring.
But they put your ass in prison for years for getting caught with a
ready to go and loaded weapon, so folks just don't do it (other than
the criminals of course). And couriers can get them if they handle
cash.

So part of it is a mentality which then fosters an atmosphere of
casuality and then procedural doctrine mistakes occur, then then
procedural actual mistakes occur and they then get declared as having
been an accident.

One more reason this is so bad is that sets of events such as this
can be staged pretty precisely to appear as random happenstance. And
that is bad because we will never know.

How many different ways can a live round that fits an on set real
firearm get put together on a set where no such pairing is supposed
to happen?

[Ed Lee]

That's why it would be a good movie for the making of "Murder by Rehearsal of a Movie". One good plot is for the actor to silence the actress after an affair. Not saying this is related to any fact at all. Just a good movie script. Possibilities are endless.

[Corvid]

On 10/25/21 10:31 PM, Flyguy wrote:

> Dude, you can't see the business end of the round when you open the
> cylinder - you see the primer end. The round must be removed from the
> cylinder to see the other end.

It's great how Phil straightened you out...

https://pixers.net.au/stickers/revolver-38-caliber-pistol-loaded-cylinder-gun-barrel-pointed-51377417

Get the 29.9 x 20.5 washable wall mural, and you can jerk off while
looking at it.

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <86d30588-4d3b-4a4b...@googlegroups.com>,
edward....@gmail.com says...

>
> That's why it would be a good movie for the making of "Murder by Rehearsal of a Movie". One good plot is for the actor to silence the actress after an affair. Not saying this is related to any fact at all. Just a good movie script. Possibilities are endless.
>
>

I think that has been done many years in the past. That is someone
wanted someone dead so a live round was put in the prop gun.

[Phil Allison]

Decayed Brain Matter wrote:
=============================
>
> >> >> > ** So it IS a rare slang term for a type of ** gun ** .
>> >> >

> >> > ** So both rare and slang.
> >> >
> >> >

> >> > ** Just *slang* - not even jargon.
> >> >
> >> > And NOT RELEVANT to the gun's cylinder.
> >> > ================================
> >> > ================================
> >> >

> >> Right there in the very first line...
> >>
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolver>
> >>
> >> It refers directly to "the gun's cylinder". You STUPID PUTZ!
>
> > ** Massive lie.
> >
> > The rare slang term " wheel gun" refers to a type of gun.
>
> Nope. It refers to... directly to revolvers.

** ROTFL - so revolvers are NOT guns now ?
This just keeps getting better.

> > The bullet " cylinder " is known everywhere only by that name.

> Except, you stupid putz child who cannot handle losing a debate,
> when it is referred to as a wheel gun.

** The gun, not the cylinder. Pay attention,

> Which it very often is even today.

** Massive lie ....... yawnnnnnnnn.

> It IS a COMMONLY USED
> nickname for a revolver. It is not about the cylinder. The nickname
> refers to the entire gun type.

** But not used for a the cylinder alone as YOU fucking claimed.

FOAD you vile, schizo pile of shit.


...... Phil

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 1:42:39 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:25:38 AM UTC-7, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:52:22 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 7:36:19 AM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> > > > In article <sl8ftc$1o8t$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk
> > > > says...
> > > > >
> > > > > The key point appears to be that at least one live round somehow got
> > > > > mixed up with the look alike close shot dummy rounds.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > From what I am seeing is that some of the stage people were using live
> > > > rounds to shoot to pass time when not working.
> > > >
> > > > That should have never been allowed.
> > > If not Baldwin himself. At least with him knowing. The 24 yro was only on the job for days, still figuring out how to get to the restroom.
> > So you think Baldwin knew all about getting to the restroom which makes him responsible for the actions of a professional and expert in a field?
> >
> > I think we should hold Caltran responsible! If they provided free movie props, the filming would have been in California where safety is more important than getting work done with the only shooting being with a camera.
> Well, he is responsible for firing the previous armorer and hiring the new armorer. But until the new armorer is up to speed, the boss is still responsible for what happened.

Why is Baldwin responsible for anything. Is Baldwin head of personnel? Did he do the background investigation on the armorer himself? If she worked for IBM, would you want to hold Arvind Krishna personally responsible?

BTW, what happened to waiting until all the facts are known?

> If i am her, i would say:
> Defendent absolutely and category deny any responsibility to the incident. I was hired to the job only days before the time of the incident, and was still in the process of the transition of taking over the task. When the transition task is completed, i would secure the properties (firearms and bullets) in my absolute and total control, including but not limited to, checking all inventories and changing all locks. However, this defendent was not yet in total control of the situation, and despite my suggestion, the primary defendent went ahead with production before the proper transition was completed.

What part of being the armorer was not yet in her control? Wasn't she the person who secured the equipment and indicated the prop was "cold"?

If this her defense in court I would convict her. She needs to provide something we call "proof", i.e. evidence that someone was interfering with her doing her job. Once a new armorer is on the job that person should have total control and responsibility. You keep talking as if she was a kid being trained on the job. No one has indicated that was the case. The job was hers and hers alone.

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[Rick C]

I think you mis-attributed. Ed Lee would hold the 11 year old responsible.

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[Ed Lee]

On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-7, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 1:42:39 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:25:38 AM UTC-7, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:52:22 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 7:36:19 AM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> > > > > In article <sl8ftc$1o8t$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk
> > > > > says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The key point appears to be that at least one live round somehow got
> > > > > > mixed up with the look alike close shot dummy rounds.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > From what I am seeing is that some of the stage people were using live
> > > > > rounds to shoot to pass time when not working.
> > > > >
> > > > > That should have never been allowed.
> > > > If not Baldwin himself. At least with him knowing. The 24 yro was only on the job for days, still figuring out how to get to the restroom.
> > > So you think Baldwin knew all about getting to the restroom which makes him responsible for the actions of a professional and expert in a field?
> > >
> > > I think we should hold Caltran responsible! If they provided free movie props, the filming would have been in California where safety is more important than getting work done with the only shooting being with a camera.
> > Well, he is responsible for firing the previous armorer and hiring the new armorer. But until the new armorer is up to speed, the boss is still responsible for what happened.
> Why is Baldwin responsible for anything. Is Baldwin head of personnel?

Because he was/is still the executive producer. He was/is not just an actor.

> Did he do the background investigation on the armorer himself? If she worked for IBM, would you want to hold Arvind Krishna personally responsible?
>
> BTW, what happened to waiting until all the facts are known?

Yes, we still have to wait for the facts. But legal defend do not have to depend on the facts, just enough reasonable doubt.

> > If i am her, i would say:
> > Defendent absolutely and category deny any responsibility to the incident. I was hired to the job only days before the time of the incident, and was still in the process of the transition of taking over the task. When the transition task is completed, i would secure the properties (firearms and bullets) in my absolute and total control, including but not limited to, checking all inventories and changing all locks. However, this defendent was not yet in total control of the situation, and despite my suggestion, the primary defendent went ahead with production before the proper transition was completed.
> What part of being the armorer was not yet in her control? Wasn't she the person who secured the equipment and indicated the prop was "cold"?

We still don't know how secure the properties were. Who could and had access to them.

> If this her defense in court I would convict her. She needs to provide something we call "proof", i.e. evidence that someone was interfering with her doing her job. Once a new armorer is on the job that person should have total control and responsibility. You keep talking as if she was a kid being trained on the job. No one has indicated that was the case. The job was hers and hers alone.

From another post:

> I think you mis-attributed. Ed Lee would hold the 11 year old responsible.

Certainly not. May be the parents for letting the 11 yro in the situation.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c52280b0-23c0-4a78...@googlegroups.com:

No Bang Bang Shoot Shoot? Just Shoot Shoot only? Sounds like a
boring movie.

They pulled the release from the theaters "The Machurian
Candidate" way back in 1963 because it was just as Kennedy had been
shot. It was 1988 when I got my LaserDisc of the title. Only one
airing between all that in 1974. They probably had only real guns
and blanks back then.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:197369a8-029c-4617-
8ac1-5274...@googlegroups.com:

> ** ROTFL - so revolvers are NOT guns now ?
> This just keeps getting better.
>
>

I never said a goddamned thing about them not being guns, you
illiterate stupid fuck.

I SAID THAT REVOLVERS ARE CALLED WHEEL GUNS. I made no other
ascertion.

Damn you are stupid, you fucktarded, demented old man.

Oh and the hit count was for a standard Googlw search... Go to
Google images and the entire first page of images is... yep, you
guessed it... 99.9999% REVOLVERS, and oh looky! it is 99.9999% being
referred to as "wheel guns".

You really are one stupid fuck, Phil.

[Phil Allison]

Demented Lying Ass
==================

>
> The rare slang term " wheel gun" refers to a type of gun.
> >
> > Nope. It refers to... directly to revolvers.
>

> ** ROTFL - so revolvers are NOT guns now ?
> > This just keeps getting better.
> >
> I never said a goddamned thing about them not being guns,

** Errrr - you just did.

Read you own posts and stop fucking over snipping !!!

> I SAID THAT REVOLVERS ARE CALLED WHEEL GUNS. I made no other
> ascertion.

** No they are not - it is a rare US *slang* term.

Plus you claimed a "cylinder" was also a " wheel" .

> Oh and the hit count was for a standard Googlw search

** Massive blatant lie.

Google sends me I 90% power tools on the first page.
Cos the term is rare US slang.

You illiterate, fuckwit MORON.



...... Phil

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 2:26:55 PM UTC+11, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> Demented Lying Ass
> ==================
> >
> > The rare slang term " wheel gun" refers to a type of gun.
> > >
> > > Nope. It refers to... directly to revolvers.
> >
> > ** ROTFL - so revolvers are NOT guns now ?
> >
> > > This just keeps getting better.
> > >
> > I never said a goddamned thing about them not being guns,
>
> ** Errrr - you just did.

There's nothing there about a revolver not being a type of gun. Phil does have reading comprehension problems.

> Read you own posts and stop fucking over snipping !!!

As if Phil wasn't a champion text chopper.

> > I SAID THAT REVOLVERS ARE CALLED WHEEL GUNS. I made no other

> > assertion.

>
> ** No they are not - it is a rare US *slang* term.

It is an American usage. It isn't all that rare - I'm certainly familiar with it, and I'm not any kind of gun nut.

> Plus you claimed a "cylinder" was also a " wheel" .

It is, in that context.

> > Oh and the hit count was for a standard Google search

>
> ** Massive blatant lie.
>
> Google sends me I 90% power tools on the first page.

DLUNU was searching in America. Phil was searching in Australia. Google's reaction to search terms does depend on where the search request is coming from.

> Cos the term is rare US slang.

Not that rare in America, and Google would react differently to a search query from an America site than to a search query from Australian site. It seems to keep a file of every query that I've ever made and seems to adjust what it throws up does seem to to reflect what it seem think it has worked out about my interests.

<snipped Phil being pointlessly and inaccurately rude>

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Phil Allison]

Demented Bill Rides Again
======================
-------------------------------------

> Demented Lying Ass
> > ==================
> > >
> > > The rare slang term " wheel gun" refers to a type of gun.
> > > >
> > > > Nope. It refers to... directly to revolvers.
> > >
> > > ** ROTFL - so revolvers are NOT guns now ?
> > >
> > > > This just keeps getting better.
> > > >
> > > I never said a goddamned thing about them not being guns,
> >
> > ** Errrr - you just did.
>:
> There's nothing there about a revolver not being a type of gun.

** ROTFL - course there is.

Autistic Bill does have * severe* reading comprehension problems.
================================================

> > > I SAID THAT REVOLVERS ARE CALLED WHEEL GUNS. I made no other
> > > assertion.
> >
> > ** No they are not - it is a rare US *slang* term.
>
> It is an American usage.

** No, slang usage - not recognised in normal language.
============================================

> > Plus you claimed a "cylinder" was also a " wheel" .

> It is, in that context.

** Horse manure.

> > > Oh and the hit count was for a standard Google search
> >
> > ** Massive blatant lie.
> >
> > Google sends me I 90% power tools on the first page.
>
> DLUNU was searching in America. Phil was searching in Australia.
> Google's reaction to search terms does depend on where the search request is coming from.

** Shussssh - the Decedant one does not know that !!

> > Cos the term is rare US slang.

> Not that rare in America,

** Slang is mostly verbal and in this case peculiar to a special US based minority.

Here is an Aussie slang term: " turd strangler "

Bet no Yank here knows that one.


...... Phil

[Flyguy]

Sorry, but you can only see SOME of the chambers this way, AND it requires pointing the gun AT YOU, which people training in gun safety DON'T DO - EVER!

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 4:48:48 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-7, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 1:42:39 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:25:38 AM UTC-7, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:52:22 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 7:36:19 AM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> > > > > > In article <sl8ftc$1o8t$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk
> > > > > > says...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The key point appears to be that at least one live round somehow got
> > > > > > > mixed up with the look alike close shot dummy rounds.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > From what I am seeing is that some of the stage people were using live
> > > > > > rounds to shoot to pass time when not working.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That should have never been allowed.
> > > > > If not Baldwin himself. At least with him knowing. The 24 yro was only on the job for days, still figuring out how to get to the restroom.
> > > > So you think Baldwin knew all about getting to the restroom which makes him responsible for the actions of a professional and expert in a field?
> > > >
> > > > I think we should hold Caltran responsible! If they provided free movie props, the filming would have been in California where safety is more important than getting work done with the only shooting being with a camera.
> > > Well, he is responsible for firing the previous armorer and hiring the new armorer. But until the new armorer is up to speed, the boss is still responsible for what happened.
> > Why is Baldwin responsible for anything. Is Baldwin head of personnel?
> Because he was/is still the executive producer. He was/is not just an actor.

Is the executive producer required to be knowledgeable in these matters? I guess you *would* convict Arvind Krishna.

> > Did he do the background investigation on the armorer himself? If she worked for IBM, would you want to hold Arvind Krishna personally responsible?
> >
> > BTW, what happened to waiting until all the facts are known?
> Yes, we still have to wait for the facts. But legal defend do not have to depend on the facts, just enough reasonable doubt.

That's pretty funny. I'm sure you know what you thought you said, I sure don't.

> > > If i am her, i would say:
> > > Defendent absolutely and category deny any responsibility to the incident. I was hired to the job only days before the time of the incident, and was still in the process of the transition of taking over the task. When the transition task is completed, i would secure the properties (firearms and bullets) in my absolute and total control, including but not limited to, checking all inventories and changing all locks. However, this defendent was not yet in total control of the situation, and despite my suggestion, the primary defendent went ahead with production before the proper transition was completed.
> > What part of being the armorer was not yet in her control? Wasn't she the person who secured the equipment and indicated the prop was "cold"?
> We still don't know how secure the properties were. Who could and had access to them.

That is the job she had, to secure the items and assure they are 100% under her control. It's not unlike being a parent. If you take your kid to the park and let them loose, you are responsible for making sure you know where they are and who interacts with them. YOUR JOB and YOUR JOB alone. You can't blame another person when something bad happens.

> > If this her defense in court I would convict her. She needs to provide something we call "proof", i.e. evidence that someone was interfering with her doing her job. Once a new armorer is on the job that person should have total control and responsibility. You keep talking as if she was a kid being trained on the job. No one has indicated that was the case. The job was hers and hers alone.

I can appreciate the fact that you don't really get the concept of responsibility. You expect others to be responsible for providing charging for your car rather than being responsible for arranging charging yourself.

--

Rick C.

-+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:af8d3155-1846-4463-
8f92-7cde...@googlegroups.com:

Nice job of backpedalling there, putz. First it was rare slang,
now it's rare US slang.

Like I said, snip boy. First page, filled with revolvers.

First page of Google Images search... filled with revolvers AND
even revolver rifle implementations.

And yes, dipshit, I DID refer the the cylinder as "a wheel" because
THAT is exactly how it got its moniker to begin with.

You really are stupid, and to top it off even Autralia's own Mel
Gibson calls it that in the movie "Lethal Weapon".

Ooops... You LOSE... Again.

[Phil Allison]

Flyguy wrote:
=============

> > >
> > > > ** FYI asshole - I have consistently used the * correct* terms.
> > > > > Blanks in the cylinder will look very similar, if not identical, to live rounds
> > >>
> > > > ** FFS imbecile - how many times do you need to be told that claim is 100% WRONG!!
> > > >
> > > > A " blank" has no metal projectile at all.
> > > > Very, very visible !!!
> > > >
> > >
> > > Dude, you can't see the business end of the round when you open the cylinder
> > > - you see the primer end.
>
> > > The round must be removed from the cylinder to see the other end.
> > >
> > ** FFS is there no end to this rabid INSANITY ???
> >
> > You do not even need to open the fucking cylinder:
> >
> > https://pixers.net.au/stickers/revolver-38-caliber-pistol-loaded-cylinder-gun-barrel-pointed-51377417
> >
>

> Sorry,

** No you are not- you lying prick.

> but you can only see SOME of the chambers this way

** Non issue - you can easily see the rest as well.

AND it requires pointing the gun AT YOU,

** Absolute bullshit !!!

My god this fucking asshole is dumb.


....... Phil

[Phil Allison]

Demented Lying Ass
> ==================
> >>
> >> The rare slang term " wheel gun" refers to a type of gun.
> >> >
> >> > Nope. It refers to... directly to revolvers.
> >>
> >> ** ROTFL - so revolvers are NOT guns now ?
> >> > This just keeps getting better.
> >> >
> >> I never said a goddamned thing about them not being guns,
> >
> > ** Errrr - you just did.
> >
> > Read you own posts and stop fucking over snipping !!!
> >
> >
> >> I SAID THAT REVOLVERS ARE CALLED WHEEL GUNS. I made no other
> >> ascertion.
> >
> > ** No they are not - it is a rare US *slang* term.
> >
> > Plus you claimed a "cylinder" was also a " wheel" .
> >
> >
> >> Oh and the hit count was for a standard Googlw search
> >
> > ** Massive blatant lie.
> >

> > Google sends me 90% power tools on the first page.

> > Cos the term is rare US slang.
> >
> > You illiterate, fuckwit MORON.
>

> Like I said, snip boy. First page, filled with revolvers.

** No on my screen.

> First page of Google Images search..

** Proves nothing.

FOAD - you psycho cunt head

[Flyguy]

Hey Dude, your OWN LINK shows the barrel being pointed AT YOU, you dumb shit. I wouldn't do that, but you probably would. I would empty the rounds from the cylinder and examine each individually.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote in news:slal2d$pgg$1
@gioia.aioe.org:

Actually it was "Leo Getz" in Lethal Weapon II.
<https://youtu.be/Zz1Lypwfwug?t=39>

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
news:43af3567-715b-48b0...@googlegroups.com:

> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 2:26:55 PM UTC+11,
> palli...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Demented Lying Ass
>> =================
>> >

Yes, like say Opals in Australia. They know all the 'slang'
regarding the "mining" thereof. We in the US know little of it. I
prefer the term "jargon". Because 'slang' has a "filthy" connotation
to me. Sorta like Phil does.

So the US is likely full of jargon related to guns that narrow
minded, ill educated Phil could possibly grasp with his acute tunnel
vision.