OT: Quirky Internet Explorer
mpm
My IE-8 has (twice now) changed a desktop icon without my doing
anything.
Both were shortcuts pointing to URL addresses.
After visiting the site(s) in question, somehow the desktop icons have
gotten updated to show a newer graphic. The shortcut itself still
works fine.
I think this is a BAD idea -- as some users might "lose" the icon if
it changes and they no longer recognize it.
Who came up with this boneheaded idea anyway??!!
And, I guess I'm concerned that somehow, visiting a URL constitutes
permission to change a graphic on my desktop in the first place. I
must have a security setting set wrong, but I can't seem to figure out
which one. (All help is appreciated, BTW).
That said, it seems to me there is no one magic IE security setting
because fixing any one thing here, makes fifteen other things pop-up
over there. Fix one, break 15. That sort of thing.
Also, with the IE-8 upgrade (from IE-6, though I don't know if the
above problem is related), I can no longer get IE to remember (long
term) that I want its window maximized when I run it. (yet another
new quirk).
I hate Microsoft. :-p
Oh, and I was "forced" to switch to IE-8 because Microsoft did an
"update" (and I use that term very, very loosely) that enabled this
"Bing" BS, which you cannot disable in IE-6 (though you can disable in
IE-8),
-mpm
Capt. Cave Man
>Have any of you seen this?
>My IE-8 has (twice now) changed a desktop icon without my doing
>anything.
>Both were shortcuts pointing to URL addresses.
>After visiting the site(s) in question, somehow the desktop icons have
>gotten updated to show a newer graphic. The shortcut itself still
>works fine.
Jeez, dude. That has been going on for about three years now. Since
like IE-6.
Look at your history page. Every site you visit (that has any brains)
will have a custom icon associated with their site.
Archimedes' Lever
>I think this is a BAD idea -- as some users might "lose" the icon if
>it changes and they no longer recognize it.
>Who came up with this boneheaded idea anyway??!!
Ever heard of mouse hover?
It (the icon) will tell you what it points to if you simply hover over
it.
Morph your ability to accept things new, and you might get a real grip
on things that are a real help in the real world. Tossing everything out
because of some perceived future issue with it wants me to think that you
are still running Windows 95 original release.
That probably won't even run Java though.
Archimedes' Lever
>And, I guess I'm concerned that somehow, visiting a URL constitutes
>permission to change a graphic on my desktop in the first place. I
>must have a security setting set wrong, but I can't seem to figure out
>which one. (All help is appreciated, BTW).
Christ! It is no different than giving you a cookie. In fact, that is
likely where it resides. Kill your cookie history to see.
Trust me, getting a custom icon from a visited site is no different
than your machine retaining the images and such that are in the page you
visited. Less even.
Archimedes' Lever
>That said, it seems to me there is no one magic IE security setting
>because fixing any one thing here, makes fifteen other things pop-up
>over there. Fix one, break 15. That sort of thing.
How did you ever get so far with a computer that you could actually
even end up online?
You are looking worse than the Luddite /BAH
Unbelievable! The AOL account is a tell, though. Any idiot that would
use them deserves to have things stolen from him.
They should be out of business, in fact. They were criminal level
rip-offs and all they got was a *tiny* slap on the wrist for doing it. I
would have rendered them defunct.
Archimedes' Lever
>Also, with the IE-8 upgrade (from IE-6, though I don't know if the
>above problem is related), I can no longer get IE to remember (long
>term) that I want its window maximized when I run it. (yet another
>new quirk).
Make sure that it is FS when you close it. THEN it WILL be the next
time. It comes up in the same manner as the last closure of the app.
There is no default that it "keeps". It will always follow the state of
the window the last time you closed the last instance of it. Always.
It, and Firefox always has. Unless you pay attention to the state when
you close, you may never catch that that is how it operates.
NOT a "new quirk" in anything other than you.
The icon thing AND the window shape/state/location thing has been around
for several years. If you have a dual display, it will even open up in
the last location that it was in.
Archimedes' Lever
>I hate Microsoft. :-p
I hate presumptuous idiots that are not even a slight bit good at it.
My household pets have more common sense.
Jeez dude, commit some things to memory. They call that learning.
I also hate baseless MS haters, which nearly all are.
Makes me almost sorry that I helped you.
Archimedes' Lever
>Oh, and I was "forced" to switch to IE-8 because Microsoft did an
>"update" (and I use that term very, very loosely) that enabled this
>"Bing" BS, which you cannot disable in IE-6 (though you can disable in
>IE-8),
When you 'update' your machine, YOU have the choice to look at what the
updates are before you commit to them. Turn off automatic updating, and
depress the icon yourself manually. Then examine the list.
Pretty simple, and your current method will always skip things like new
vendor issued video drivers, etc. So, there are likely things in your
listing that are classed as "optional" that have been waiting to be
installed for a long time.
MS didn't "do an update", YOU did. AND you didn't do it very well.
Sorry so frank... not.
mpm
wrote:
XP SP-3 here.
No intention to upgrade, Vista or otherwise.
I generally stay behind the curve. I let others work out the bugs
first.
The only reason it's XP-3 is I didn't want Vista (hate it!), and I
needed a new legit copy of XP for the new PC upgrade.
This icon "problem" did not happen (on XP-3 or any other O/S) prior to
the upgrade to IE-8.
If it did, I didn't notice it -- and I'm sure I would have
noticed....?
-mpm
mpm
wrote:
I'm actually a brilliant engineer.
Though I admit, you couldn't tell that from my use of AOL or Google
Groups.
My old job used to put me on the road a lot, and AOL's dial-up came in
handy a lot (i.e., the boonies, no WiFi hotspots, etc..)
Had AOL since the early 90's and guess I never got weaned off it
properly. :)
I'm not enamored with AOL in any way.
In fact, their client software got so buggy, I finally ditched it and
just use their www.aol.com web interface now.
I should probably get rid of AOL altogether, now that I'm hardly ever
without high-speed access.
But, everyone I ever knew has that AOL email... which I guess is the
primary reason I put up with it.
mpm
wrote:
No, that's not right.
I agree it "should" stay full screen if that's the way you last shut
it down.
I'm trying to tell you that regardless of where you stretch the
window, or even maximize or minimize it, it will come up exactly the
same (screwed up) way every time.
The only work-around I've found (and even it's not 100%) is to leave
the first instance open, then open a 2nd IE window, maximize that,
then close them both in the same order.
That seems to work -- for a while.
But if IE is then launched via some other program (like a link in
Google Earth or something), IE comes back up in the same (partial
screen) way as before.
There seems to be no rhyme or reason to it, and it definitely started
with the IE-8 "upgrade".
Numerous other people are having the exact same problem (i.e. Google
search).
No solution I've found so far fixes it back to the way I am accustomed
to IE working.
mpm
wrote:
You're beginning to sound like a blowhard asshole.
Sorry, so frank.
I already explained the update was IE-8 only, and the reason for it.
For your information, I have auto updates turned off (always have).
I see no need to download updates -- the vast majority of which merely
break other stuff that was previously working just fine.
I use hardware virus protection, and only on very, very rare occasion
have any sort of problem with that stuff.
So little, that on balance, it's much easier to fix the occasional
problem that might occur due to the lack of a security update, than to
deal with all the problems constant, continuous updates cause.
But to extend your line of reasoning to its logical conclusion --
How would you propose to do and update "well"?
Are you suggesting that you can no in advance what all that update
code does -- not having any access to the original source code?
No! You're no different than anybody else updating hardware with code
some unknown team of engineers cobbled together.
You're at their mercy. You elect to run that code and you have NO
IDEA what it will actually do other than the briefest of descriptions
(usually barely a sentence or two).
Or, you've had to research what went wrong (usually after the fact?),
after it blows up on others.
To suggest that there is a way to do an update "right" is almost
laughable, and in any event, completely unsupported by the wealth of
experience to the contrary. Mine included.
mpm
wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:58:07 -0800 (PST), mpm <mpmill...@aol.com> wrote:
> >I hate Microsoft. :-p
>
> I hate presumptuous idiots that are not even a slight bit good at it.
>
> My household pets have more common sense.
>
> Jeez dude, commit some things to memory. They call that learning.
>
> I also hate baseless MS haters, which nearly all are.
>
> Makes me almost sorry that I helped you.
Dude, trust me -- you have not yet helped me in any way.
Surely you are smart enought to know that?
mpm
wrote:
My browser does not cache pages or images. I have that feature
turned off.
Cookies delete automatically after each session, but killing them
manually has no effect either.
Perhaps that is because the desktop icon has already been replaced.
Which raises yet another question, why would the operating system even
bother to check for cookies prior to displaying a desktop shortcut
icon???
Still, since you're such a self-proclaimed expert on all thing
Microsoft, (and just a teeny little bit of an arrogant asshole to
boot), why don't you tell us all where the magic security setting is
to avoid having a desktop icon change when you visit so-called smart
URL's?
I'm waiting....
And (honestly), I would be grateful if you know -- but I suspect you
don't actually know.
Archimedes' Lever
>This icon "problem" did not happen (on XP-3 or any other O/S) prior to
>the upgrade to IE-8.
>If it did, I didn't notice it -- and I'm sure I would have
>noticed....?
It is not OS specific. It is browser specific, and release 6 did it
too. Just look at your history tab. Open up some of the visited sites,
and see the links that were actually visited.
Your entire history listing uses them as well. Why wouldn't your
desktop links also do so?
Archimedes' Lever
>Had AOL since the early 90's and guess I never got weaned off it
>properly. :)
If that is the case, then you were ripped off by them as well, and you
could have gotten some of the class action suit settlement.
They ripped my mom's credit card off in '93 for like $50.
It was an $8.95 "Try it for free" "offer".
I did not want a fucking settlement, I wanted AOL practitioners of fraud
blood to spill!
Dirty bastards like that deserve imprisonment. LONG TERM imprisonment.
It is a goddamned shame that folks in this country do not incarcerate
white collar criminals, because their actions really are no different
from the mugger on the street with a gun in your face.
Archimedes' Lever
>But if IE is then launched via some other program (like a link in
>Google Earth or something), IE comes back up in the same (partial
>screen) way as before.
Nope. If you have an instance up, it comes up in THAT window, or a new
one of that size. IF you simply hit a link and no current instance is
open, you allow the site to decide what the initial window's size will
be.
Archimedes' Lever
>
>Numerous other people are having the exact same problem (i.e. Google
>search).
>No solution I've found so far fixes it back to the way I am accustomed
>to IE working.
Both my Firefox AND my IE Explorer have no problem remembering the last
window size they were at when last CLOSED.
I have never experienced the problem you describe, and have always
known about how it is actually handled.
I reduce window size often to write on one app, while still being able
to examine the browser window contents. When I forget and close that
one, without first opening a new one and closing the re-sized one first,
the next instance opens up in that resized window size.
Never seen anything different, ever, and I have never see either not
re-open in the exact same window state that the very last instance was
last closed at. Absolutely without flaw, and back several releases.
Numerous other people? Do you log onto a green newbie dumbshit help
forum or something?
How is that so many manage to over-complicate so much with so much
ease?
Are you on Placidyls or something?
Archimedes' Lever
> the vast majority of which merely
>break other stuff that was previously working just fine.
I think that you must be a real retard or something.
I have never had an update 'break' anything, except for ONE MS Office
Excel 2007 update, which was fixed on the next update two days later.
Didn't miss a beat, because it did not affect me or my workbooks.
If your shit is always breaking, maybe the next time that you build
your own box, you'll spring for the actual motherboard that has some
credence in the real world. That nearly decade old POS you MUST be using
is probably the root of all of your problems. There are several MOBO
makers that might be somewhat "compliant" now, but back then they prayed
for suckers like you so they could build up their company.
There are video card makers that rose up that way, etc., etc., etc. ad
infinitum.
Windows typically only 'breaks' on hardware that was borderline
non-compliant and obsolete before it got marked down to the price you
thought was a bargain.
You prove that one only gets what one pays for.
Then again, you could just be one of those dopes that has about 15
applets running in your notification icon area. If your task manager list
has 60 entries, you are running a lot of HORSESHIT. Trim it down, boy.
Explorer DOES remember window placement and setting. Every time, every
boot.
Archimedes' Lever
Only because you are so goddamned stubborn that even when you are given
the facts, you refuse to believe or even test them.
You take retarded ditz to an all new low.
That is aside from the fact that you are wrong about the window sizing
thing, and wrong about icons being a security issue.
It doesn't get much more dumb than that. I have seen dumb folks before,
but being a retard... an abject retard... by choice has to be one of the
most stupid things I have ever witnessed.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
How can I change the shortcut icon on your desktop pointing to your
Forte Agent so you'll never recognize it? That would sure save the rest
of us in this newsgroup a lot of grief.
--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Pa...@Hovnanian.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
God doesn't play dice. However, He does play a mean game of
3 card monte.
Archimedes' Lever
> why don't you tell us all where the magic security setting is
>to avoid having a desktop icon change when you visit so-called smart
>URL's?
>
>I'm waiting....
Why would there need to be one?
Just go back to a stick and drawing on the mud or sand.
Archimedes' Lever
>And (honestly), I would be grateful if you know -- but I suspect you
>don't actually know.
There isn't one.
mpm
wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:30:02 -0800 (PST), mpm <mpmill...@aol.com> wrote:
> >But if IE is then launched via some other program (like a link in
> >Google Earth or something), IE comes back up in the same (partial
> >screen) way as before.
>
> Nope. If you have an instance up, it comes up in THAT window, or a new
> one of that size. IF you simply hit a link and no current instance is
> open, you allow the site to decide what the initial window's size will
> be.
We must have a communication problem.
Let me try to put it this way...
Say my IE window is 200w x 300h pixels, and that the top left corner
of that IE window is 100 pixels in each dimension from the top left
corner of my desktop (which is the container, the only container, for
the IE window).
So, my IE window is open, and it is tucked up pretty neatly to the
upper left corner of the screen. (With me so far?)
Sure, I can maximize this IE window, or even manually stretch it
anywhere I please. And it will run just fine.
I can close this window while it is maximized or stretched.
And the next time I run IE, or some other program launches is -- guess
what:?
It's back to 200w x 300h pixels, at the same 100 pixel offset from the
upper left corner.
---------------
I agree - that makes NO SENSE whatsoever. But that is the way it
behaves.
---------------
Now, if I leave that first IE open. 200w x 300h, 100px from the upper
left.
THEN - open a 2nd instance of IE and stretch that (or maximize), then
close both the 1st and 2nd instances (in that order), then the next
time I launch IE, it will be as I left it in the 2nd instance.
HOWEVER, that's only true if I launch IE (I initiate it by clicking it
on the desktop IE icon).
IF some other program tries to launch it (an email link, etc...), then
it goes right back to the 200w x 300h example I've used here and I
have to do the 2nd IE instance thing all over again to get it to
behave right.
It's maddening!!!
I suspect it has something to do with the "way" IE is launched.
But for the life of me, I cannot find any setting associated with IE
that would cause this behavior (either in the Options / Preferences,
or anything associated with the desktop icon).
No other program seems to do this.
Every other program seems to remember where I last left the screen (at
least for those that don't default to maximized.)
mpm
wrote:
Thanks for the all the generalities (and note: still no real help).
I do find it amusing that you gen out all these general statements yet
scold me for saying that (in general), I hate Microsoft.
Talk about quirks!!.
And I don't know why you think I'm not up to snuff on computer
hardware.(?)
I'm just asking about a new (OK, -possibly new to me) bug that IE-8
exhibits that I've never seen before.
IE-8 (on my XP-3 PC) will not remember where the window and size was
last set.
It's a common problem, which I will get to shortly (after I look it up
again on Microsoft help site.)
As for my PC hardware, I admit I don't have the latest gamer setup.
But here's what I do have. And since I have the boxes handy, I'll go
ahead and give you the exact specs:
Motherboard: ASRock A780 FullDisplayPort
The box has the following markings: FSB2600MHz (front side bus, in
case you were wondering)
Full HD 1080p / Blu-ray / HD-DVD playback
PCIE Gen2. Supports ATI Hybrid CrossFireX (whatever that is?)
HDMI ready. PCIE Gigabit LAN. IEEE 1394
AMD RV610, DX10, PS4.0
Vista Permium 2007 Logo Ready
The processor is an AMD model ADO5000
Otherwise known as: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000 Brisbane 2.6 GHz Socket AM2
65W Dual Core
Memory: G.Skill 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
Dual Channel
The hard drive is a Samsung SpinPoint T Series HD501LJ (500GB)
7200RPM SATA 3.0 GB/s 3.5"
Power Supply: Ultra 750 Watt ATX
mpm
wrote:
>
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You're just wrong!
Several people on this forum:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/thread/a6261690-88e9-47ab-befb-f2cef12f2601
have the exact same problem that I am experiencing.
None of the solutions offered there solve this problem (or on any of
about a dozen other sites I checked).
If you check with the non-Microsoft sites, they generally either
recommend the uninstall / install approach (which is akin to an "I
don't know" answer).
Or, they'll recommend using Firefox or Chrome. Which probably has
some merit, even if it doesn't answer the question directly.
Archimedes' Lever
I just did what you stated, and mine retains the window state I leave it
in. If I switch it to full screen, which I rarely use, and close it. it
opens back up maximized.
>
>Now, if I leave that first IE open. 200w x 300h, 100px from the upper
>left.
>THEN - open a 2nd instance of IE and stretch that (or maximize), then
>close both the 1st and 2nd instances (in that order), then the next
>time I launch IE, it will be as I left it in the 2nd instance.
>
>HOWEVER, that's only true if I launch IE (I initiate it by clicking it
>on the desktop IE icon).
>IF some other program tries to launch it (an email link, etc...), then
>it goes right back to the 200w x 300h example I've used here and I
>have to do the 2nd IE instance thing all over again to get it to
>behave right.
>It's maddening!!!
Set it spawn the new site in a new tab, instead of a new window.
Problem solved.
>
>I suspect it has something to do with the "way" IE is launched.
Nope. Probably a setting I am unaware of or stuck in the registry.
>But for the life of me, I cannot find any setting associated with IE
>that would cause this behavior (either in the Options / Preferences,
>or anything associated with the desktop icon).
Try the one I mentioned.
>
>No other program seems to do this.
>Every other program seems to remember where I last left the screen (at
>least for those that don't default to maximized.)
Some sites explicitly declare the window parameters, and that is the
only thing I can think of.
Anyway, look for the setting that allows you to open newly clicked links
in a new tab, instead of a new window.
Archimedes' Lever
I think that java enabled sites may also circumvent any settings for
window size as well.
Anyway, I do not experience the problem. Strange.
Name a site that opens that way, and I'll see if the issue reproduces
itself here.
The opinion on your computer "ability" was due to the nature of your
description of your problem and about it not doing it in past version,
when I know for a fact that it did (the icon thing).
Your system looks fine. The onboard video is what? NVidia based?
Since my little brother passed way in July, on my birthday, I have
pretty much been pissed at the whole world, and it doesn't take much to
set me off. Some deserve it, some not so much.
Archimedes' Lever
I think the 'uninstall / re-install' dopes have no clue.
If that were always a viable solution, then they should be able to
author a scanner that examines your system state and repairs the
installed app you ran the scanner against. They almost get there with
their install repair option on the install disc, but not quite.
mpm
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sorry to hear about your brother.
It is never easy to accept the passing of someone you love.
As for naming a site, it doesn't have to be a site.
I don't have a home page set. So, when I open IE, it opens to
"about:blank"
Even this "site" will experience the un-remembered window state, as
will any of the (3) shortcuts on my desktop - which actually do point
to real URL's.
The first is to AOL, the 2nd is the US District Court's Pacer public
access web site (long story!), and the last one points to iTunes (to
ping a podcast RSS update).
And, actually, I have just this morning noticed that the iTunes ping
icon has changed too.
Must have happened this past Sunday. (It's a podcast for the church,
so I always hit it on Sunday when I upload new audio)
I just right-clicked the iTunes icon to check properties and sure
enough, it says it was modified yesterday!!
Created back in June. size=213 bytes (so you wouldn't think that
includes the image?), and the URL it points to is correct (i.e.,
nothing obviously embedded in there to contain the new icon image).
Very strange.... I wonder what's really going on here.?
I may eventually have to do some serious investigation to get to the
bottom of it. I thought it might be an easy thing to remedy (or
accept, if I had to).
And I know you're (or someone else who replied) is skeptical that icon
updates did not occur in IE-6, but I swear this never happened until I
upgraded to IE-8.
It could still be coincidence, but I don't make too many changes on
this PC.
- mpm
(Which, as I've mentioned before, was done only to get rid of the
Microsoft Bing crap - which I absolutely cannot stand!)
mpm
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
The motherboard video is ATI Radion HD 3200, which I have set for 1680
x 1050, 32-bit.
(That what comes up when I right-click the desktop, properties..
settings..)
The motherboard shipped with a separate card (a "DisplayPort" card)
which looks to be something for dual-monitor / surround display use.
It has what looks like an HDMI connector on it, but it's been a while
since I looked at it.
Installing it was optional, so I didn't bother with it as I my system
does not run 2 monitors.
Archimedes' Lever
>
>Very strange.... I wonder what's really going on here.?
Do you also get paranoid when there is a new Google logo on a holiday or
like today, someone important's birthday?
Today's is cool too, BTW. They use both a JPG and an animated PNG. It
really is cool.
mpm
wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 06:43:04 -0800 (PST), mpm <mpmill...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Very strange.... I wonder what's really going on here.?
>
> Do you also get paranoid when there is a new Google logo on a holiday or
> like today, someone important's birthday?
>
> Today's is cool too, BTW. They use both a JPG and an animated PNG. It
> really is cool.
A little known site, perhaps:
http://www.google.com/logos/
And...
http://www.logoogle.com/
for some unofficial ones.
Baron
I belive it has to do with the screen size and the default size set for
IE8. ie screen 1920x1080 and IE8 defaults to 1024x786. I don't use
microcrap so I don't know where this setting would hide.
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
JosephKK
>Have any of you seen this?
>My IE-8 has (twice now) changed a desktop icon without my doing
>anything.
>Both were shortcuts pointing to URL addresses.
>After visiting the site(s) in question, somehow the desktop icons have
>gotten updated to show a newer graphic. The shortcut itself still
>works fine.
>
>I think this is a BAD idea -- as some users might "lose" the icon if
>it changes and they no longer recognize it.
>Who came up with this boneheaded idea anyway??!!
>
>And, I guess I'm concerned that somehow, visiting a URL constitutes
>permission to change a graphic on my desktop in the first place. I
>must have a security setting set wrong, but I can't seem to figure out
>which one. (All help is appreciated, BTW).
>
>That said, it seems to me there is no one magic IE security setting
>because fixing any one thing here, makes fifteen other things pop-up
>over there. Fix one, break 15. That sort of thing.
>
>Also, with the IE-8 upgrade (from IE-6, though I don't know if the
>above problem is related), I can no longer get IE to remember (long
>term) that I want its window maximized when I run it. (yet another
>new quirk).
>
>I hate Microsoft. :-p
>
>Oh, and I was "forced" to switch to IE-8 because Microsoft did an
>"update" (and I use that term very, very loosely) that enabled this
>"Bing" BS, which you cannot disable in IE-6 (though you can disable in
>IE-8),
>
>-mpm
Cribbed from microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
1. Does the behavior persist if you start IE in No Add-ons mode?
Troubleshooting and Internet Explorer’s (No Add-ons) Mode:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/07/25/678113.aspx
2. Does the behavior persist if you Reset IE Advanced settings (RIES)?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923737 <= Read before using!
3. What anti-virus application or security suite is installed, is your
subscription current, and is it supported in IE8? What anti-spyware
applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)?
Were any of these applications running in the background when you installed
IE8?
Michael A. Terrell
mpm wrote:
>
> On Jan 3, 5:14 pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org>
> wrote:
> > On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:58:07 -0800 (PST), mpm <mpmill...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >That said, it seems to me there is no one magic IE security setting
> > >because fixing any one thing here, makes fifteen other things pop-up
> > >over there. Fix one, break 15. That sort of thing.
> >
> > even end up online?
> >
> > You are looking worse than the Luddite /BAH
> >
> > Unbelievable! The AOL account is a tell, though. Any idiot that would
> > use them deserves to have things stolen from him.
> >
> > They should be out of business, in fact. They were criminal level
> > rip-offs and all they got was a *tiny* slap on the wrist for doing it. I
> > would have rendered them defunct.
>
> I'm actually a brilliant engineer.
> Though I admit, you couldn't tell that from my use of AOL or Google
> Groups.
> My old job used to put me on the road a lot, and AOL's dial-up came in
> handy a lot (i.e., the boonies, no WiFi hotspots, etc..)
> Had AOL since the early 90's and guess I never got weaned off it
> properly. :)
>
> In fact, their client software got so buggy, I finally ditched it and
> just use their www.aol.com web interface now.
> I should probably get rid of AOL altogether, now that I'm hardly ever
> without high-speed access.
> But, everyone I ever knew has that AOL email... which I guess is the
> primary reason I put up with it.
You can keep the AOL email address and go with a real ISP. I use
Earthlink on Broadband. Around here, they offered AOL, Earthlink & Road
Runner. Earthlink offered eight email addresses, eight 10 MB free
webspaces, Usenet and a few other odds and ends for $49 a month. I've
had a Netscape E-mail address for 12 years or so. It is now part of the
AIM mail system after AOL rolled netscape, AOL and I think, Compuserve
accounts into one system. I can use their webmail interface, or pop3
for e-mail.
--
Greed is the root of all eBay.
mpm
>
> 3. What anti-virus application or security suite is installed, is your
> subscription current, and is it supported in IE8? What anti-spyware
> applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)?
> Were any of these applications running in the background when you installed
>
> - Show quoted text -
First of all, Thanks!!!
I'm not sure exactly what I did, but it's working now.
I did go into IE and turn off the add-ons.
There were (2), one of which was some "Bing" stuff; I forget the other
one.
Anyway, after I did that, and then opened IE and re-sized some
windows, here are the results:
1 - If I open IE from "File", "Programs", etc..., or click the IE
icon on the desktop, everything open full screen now (just like I
want).
2 - If I click a shortcut on the desktop that points to a URL, the IE
window comes up mostly maximized (even if I try to resize it).
It has about a 1/2" border all the way around (though which you can
see the desktop below).
I'm not sure I understand this behavior, but it is acceptable.
I don't really understand why the difference (program launch only vs.
a desktop shortcut to a URL).
I mean, either way, the OS has to launch the browser program.
Clearly something is different, but I have no idea.
Your suggestions at least prevents my having to constantly stretch the
windows back out.
Thanks again.
-mpm
mpm
wrote:
> mpm wrote:
>
> > On Jan 3, 5:14 pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org>
> > wrote:
> > > On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:58:07 -0800 (PST), mpm <mpmill...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > >That said, it seems to me there is no one magic IE security setting
> > > >because fixing any one thing here, makes fifteen other things pop-up
> > > >over there. Fix one, break 15. That sort of thing.
>
> > > How did you ever get so far with a computer that you could actually
> > > even end up online?
>
> > > You are looking worse than the Luddite /BAH
>
> > > Unbelievable! The AOL account is a tell, though. Any idiot that would
> > > use them deserves to have things stolen from him.
>
> > > They should be out of business, in fact. They were criminal level
> > > rip-offs and all they got was a *tiny* slap on the wrist for doing it. I
> > > would have rendered them defunct.
>
> > I'm actually a brilliant engineer.
> > Though I admit, you couldn't tell that from my use of AOL or Google
> > Groups.
> > My old job used to put me on the road a lot, and AOL's dial-up came in
> > handy a lot (i.e., the boonies, no WiFi hotspots, etc..)
> > Had AOL since the early 90's and guess I never got weaned off it
> > properly. :)
>
> > I'm not enamored with AOL in any way.
> > In fact, their client software got so buggy, I finally ditched it and
> > I should probably get rid of AOL altogether, now that I'm hardly ever
> > without high-speed access.
> > But, everyone I ever knew has that AOL email... which I guess is the
> > primary reason I put up with it.
>
> You can keep the AOL email address and go with a real ISP. I use
> Earthlink on Broadband. Around here, they offered AOL, Earthlink & Road
> Runner. Earthlink offered eight email addresses, eight 10 MB free
> webspaces, Usenet and a few other odds and ends for $49 a month. I've
> had a Netscape E-mail address for 12 years or so. It is now part of the
> AIM mail system after AOL rolled netscape, AOL and I think, Compuserve
> accounts into one system. I can use their webmail interface, or pop3
> for e-mail.
>
> --
>
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Thanks.
I really need to do that.
I think I'm paying them something like $14/mo and I really don't get
anything for it except my email address (which I now understand you
can actually get for free).
Yes, occasionally there'll be some little interesting factoid on their
opening spash pages, but mostly it's just fluff.
I don't even use their client program anymore, since it became code-
bloated and buggy a couple years back.
I just use their web interface now.
And that means, my outbound email probably has the spam advertising
attached to the bottoms of all outgoing mail.
This was something you could halt if you used their client, but via
web, there doesn't appear to be a control for that.
So, couple the lack of spam control with my non-use of their client,
and I'm really just giving them money for nothing.
I'll put that on my "to-do" list. Thanks for the reminder.
Note: I probably spent that $14 again this weekend on the extra
heating bills.!!
Burrrrrr.
Michael A. Terrell
mpm wrote:
>
> Thanks.
> I really need to do that.
> I think I'm paying them something like $14/mo and I really don't get
> anything for it except my email address (which I now understand you
> can actually get for free).
>
> Yes, occasionally there'll be some little interesting factoid on their
> opening spash pages, but mostly it's just fluff.
> I don't even use their client program anymore, since it became code-
> bloated and buggy a couple years back.
> I just use their web interface now.
>
> And that means, my outbound email probably has the spam advertising
> attached to the bottoms of all outgoing mail.
> This was something you could halt if you used their client, but via
> web, there doesn't appear to be a control for that.
>
> So, couple the lack of spam control with my non-use of their client,
> and I'm really just giving them money for nothing.
>
> I'll put that on my "to-do" list. Thanks for the reminder.
>
> Note: I probably spent that $14 again this weekend on the extra
> heating bills.!!
> Burrrrrr.
My electric bill was $55 for last month. I'm really dreading this
month's bill. :(
krw
Mine was $175 last month (though that may have included trash pickup).
This month isn't going to be pretty though. This is the first time I
haven't heard either heat pump in two weeks.
Michael A. Terrell
I've run the electric heat more this winter than in the last five,
combined. :(
I managed to get through most of last month with no AC, and only a
few days of heat. The month before was about $150. :(
JosephKK
Not even my suggestions, i told you where i cribbed them from.
mpm
>
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Resetting the IE sounded risky... so I avoided doing that.
I tried the first suggestion, which was to disable the add-ons.
That made things better -- not "perfect" -- and by perfect, I mean
back to what I was accustomed to with IE-6.
I skipped over IE-7 entirely. Never used it on this PC.
It's good enough now that I can live with it until I have time to re-
visit it.
This is not a particularly good week for that --