hiding IC part numbers

John Larkin

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Jul 4, 2012, 1:49:43 AM7/4/12

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We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.

Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.

Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

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Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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Jul 4, 2012, 2:32:10 AM7/4/12

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On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:49:43 -0700, John Larkin
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>
>
>We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
>numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
>with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
>have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
>messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>
>Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
>different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>
>Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.

Buy and utilize a laser printing device. You can also use it to make UID
labels, which you will likely have an obligation to create if you have a
cage number.

That way, you would ablate only that surface area which you would need
to, and then you can still overlay it with an epoxy mask for further
assurance.

http://www.epiloglaser.com/legend_mini18.htm

Otherwise, the "concrete cutter" "abrasive wheel" type "blade" on the
dremel tool and a VERY steady hand.

P E Schoen

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Jul 4, 2012, 2:37:54 AM7/4/12

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> We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
> numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
> with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because
> we have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
> messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.

> Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
> different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.

> Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.

I've done that on some Skinny-DIP-24 parts using a file or sandpaper, and if
the scratch gray finish is ugly, a quick squirt of spray paint makes it look
OK. Or a label with a proprietary part number. Tiny SMT parts might be
trickier. Maybe a CNC engraver or laser etching?

Paul

spamtrap1888

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Jul 4, 2012, 2:35:19 AM7/4/12

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On Jul 3, 10:49 pm, John Larkin

<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
> numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
> with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
> have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
> messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>
> Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
> different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>
> Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.
>

Back in the day we used to "blacktop and remark" epoxy encapsulated
ics. But when I try to look it up now I get only hits on counterfeit
parts, or parts pulled out of scrapped equipment and prettied up for
sale.

You may want to talk to the Markem ink company about a cost effective
coverup.

But using ink may be more expensive than what you're doing now.

The counterfeits have the markngs sanded off before the blacktop is
applied.

Anyone who really wants to know what you use can decapsulate the ICs
-- we did that all the time for failure analysis and competitive
evaluation.

mike

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Jul 4, 2012, 3:13:57 AM7/4/12

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On 7/3/2012 10:49 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>
>
> We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
> numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
> with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
> have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
> messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>
> Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
> different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>
> Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.
>
>

Sandpaper applied uniformly looks ok.
Average users will never see it.
Do you really care what potential competitors think when they crack
it open?

I get pissed off when I can't fix something that's broke.
The quality of your obscuring technique is a small increment
in annoyment. ;-)

alie...@gmail.com

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Jul 4, 2012, 3:17:24 AM7/4/12

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On Jul 3, 10:49 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

> We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
> numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
> with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
> have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
> messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>
> Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
> different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>
> Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.

Have you considered just removing the original markings, leaving
shiny naked chips?

What are the markings made of; what do they dissolve in? Have you
tried everything from gasoline to nail polish remover?

Worst case, paint them with acid(/base) and follow with something to
neutralize it, rinse with deionized water.

Mark L. Fergerson

Frank Buss

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Jul 4, 2012, 4:53:59 AM7/4/12

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spamtrap1888 wrote:
>
> Anyone who really wants to know what you use can decapsulate the ICs
> -- we did that all the time for failure analysis and competitive
> evaluation.

How do you identify a chip by looking at the die?

--
Frank Buss, http://www.frank-buss.de
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Uwe Hercksen

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Jul 4, 2012, 6:58:42 AM7/4/12

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John Larkin schrieb:

> Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
> different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.

Hello,

are you looking for a very special inkjet printer?
If you want to apply different colors on different chips in a short
time, you need a printing mechanism and a special ink cured with UV light.

Bye

Nico Coesel

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Jul 4, 2012, 7:06:59 AM7/4/12

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John Larkin <jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>
>
>We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
>numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
>with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
>have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
>messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>
>Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
>different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.

Put a CPLD or a uC in it with firmware. Scraping of the markings isn't
very effective.

--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
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Jamie

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Jul 4, 2012, 7:26:41 AM7/4/12

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John Larkin wrote:
>
> We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
> numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
> with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
> have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
> messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>
> Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
> different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>
> Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.
>
>

It they are printed, acetone will remove it with one swipe from a
cotton swab..

If etched? You need to use a rotary tool which does a nice job and
then you spray it with some kind of clear coat that glosses.

why not just pot that area of the board with hard to remove compound?
or a UV cure non transparent coating over that area which is very hard
to remove.

Jamie

Jamie

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Jul 4, 2012, 7:27:44 AM7/4/12

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Frank Buss wrote:

> spamtrap1888 wrote:
>
>>Anyone who really wants to know what you use can decapsulate the ICs
>>-- we did that all the time for failure analysis and competitive
>>evaluation.
>
>
> How do you identify a chip by looking at the die?
>

Hire JT ?

Jamie

Phil Hobbs

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Jul 4, 2012, 8:19:15 AM7/4/12

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John Larkin wrote:
>
> We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
> numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
> with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
> have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
> messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>
> Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
> different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>
> Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.
>

You need one of those rustlers' branding irons that turns your
neighbour's brand into yours. How about a rubber stamp that says
"LM324"? ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

Nico Coesel

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Jul 4, 2012, 8:25:25 AM7/4/12

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Frank Buss <f...@frank-buss.de> wrote:

>spamtrap1888 wrote:
>>
>> Anyone who really wants to know what you use can decapsulate the ICs
>> -- we did that all the time for failure analysis and competitive
>> evaluation.
>
>How do you identify a chip by looking at the die?

Give it to a company that specializes in that. Google for 'Iphone
teardown' and you'll find several companies that specialize in taking
electronic gadgets apart and identify the components.

Rich Webb

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Jul 4, 2012, 9:24:42 AM7/4/12

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On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:49:43 -0700, John Larkin
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>
>

>We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
>numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
>with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
>have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
>messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>
>Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
>different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>
>Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.

An "air eraser." Paasche is the name-brand model but you'll find
knock-offs at Harbor Freight, etc.

<http://www.paascheairbrush.com/Products-Etching_Striping_Tools.html>

It's a mini-sandblaster in an airbrush form-factor. Abrades the chip
surface, effectively removing the laser-etched numbering. Should be no
more than a few seconds per chip but you would need to make sensible
safety arrangements for the airborne grit.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

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Jul 4, 2012, 10:03:00 AM7/4/12

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On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 00:17:24 -0700 (PDT), "nu...@bid.nes" <alie...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jul 3, 10:49 pm, John Larkin
><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>> We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
>> numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
>> with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
>> have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
>> messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>>
>> Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
>> different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>>
>> Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.
>
> Have you considered just removing the original markings, leaving
>shiny naked chips?
>
> What are the markings made of; what do they dissolve in? Have you
>tried everything from gasoline to nail polish remover?

They're often (usually?) laser etched, these days. Solvents won't work.

> Worst case, paint them with acid(/base) and follow with something to
>neutralize it, rinse with deionized water.
>

Not a good idea for reliability. Any voids in the package will become toxic,
not to mention damage to the leg frame. ;-)

John Larkin

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Jul 4, 2012, 10:05:28 AM7/4/12

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On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 00:13:57 -0700, mike <spa...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 7/3/2012 10:49 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>
>> We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
>> numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
>> with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
>> have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
>> messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>>
>> Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
>> different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>>
>> Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.
>>
>>
>Sandpaper applied uniformly looks ok.
>Average users will never see it.
>Do you really care what potential competitors think when they crack
>it open?

Actually, I'm more concerned about customers than competitors.

John Larkin

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On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 00:17:24 -0700 (PDT), "nu...@bid.nes"
<alie...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 3, 10:49 pm, John Larkin
><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>> We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
>> numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
>> with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
>> have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
>> messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>>
>> Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
>> different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>>
>> Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.
>
> Have you considered just removing the original markings, leaving
>shiny naked chips?
>
> What are the markings made of; what do they dissolve in? Have you
>tried everything from gasoline to nail polish remover?

They seem to be laser etched into the surface. Nothing will dissolve
them, and it takes a lot of serious grinding to make them unreadable.

Maybe I'll email Master Bond. They seem to like exotic problems.

Phil Hobbs

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Jul 4, 2012, 10:17:06 AM7/4/12

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Phil Hobbs wrote:
>
> John Larkin wrote:
> >
> > We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
> > numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
> > with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
> > have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
> > messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
> >
> > Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
> > different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
> >
> > Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.
> >
>
> You need one of those rustlers' branding irons that turns your
> neighbour's brand into yours. How about a rubber stamp that says
> "LM324"? ;)
>

Seriously, how about a branding iron? You can etch nickel with PCB
chemicals easily, and if you get the estimable Pablo to braze a chunk of
it to a nice hot soldering iron tip, you can put your own markings on
the chips and obliterate the old ones in seconds.

Since it's customers you're worried about, I gather you're wringing some
high-priced function out of low-priced chips, and want to keep the sauce
secret. (Maybe using those step-recovery SMPS chips you discovered?)

Branding them "Highland SuperExperimental Chip #1" would probably do. ;)

Spehro Pefhany

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Jul 4, 2012, 11:23:06 AM7/4/12

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On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 07:07:45 -0700, John Larkin
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 00:17:24 -0700 (PDT), "nu...@bid.nes"
><alie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 3, 10:49 pm, John Larkin
>><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>> We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
>>> numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
>>> with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
>>> have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
>>> messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>>>
>>> Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
>>> different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>>>
>>> Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.
>>
>> Have you considered just removing the original markings, leaving
>>shiny naked chips?
>>
>> What are the markings made of; what do they dissolve in? Have you
>>tried everything from gasoline to nail polish remover?
>
>They seem to be laser etched into the surface. Nothing will dissolve
>them, and it takes a lot of serious grinding to make them unreadable.
>
>Maybe I'll email Master Bond. They seem to like exotic problems.

Suggest you sit down when you get the quote. They quoted me something
like $600 for the minimum size sample of something they've been
advertising for months. A bit much considering they had no idea
whether it would do our job so we have to buy it on spec and do
expensive and time consuming tests?

Spehro Pefhany

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Jul 4, 2012, 11:29:31 AM7/4/12

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On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 07:05:28 -0700, John Larkin
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 00:13:57 -0700, mike <spa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 7/3/2012 10:49 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
>>> numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
>>> with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
>>> have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
>>> messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>>>
>>> Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
>>> different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>>>
>>> Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.
>>>
>>>
>>Sandpaper applied uniformly looks ok.
>>Average users will never see it.
>>Do you really care what potential competitors think when they crack
>>it open?
>
>Actually, I'm more concerned about customers than competitors.

Way back when, I remarked some chips using screen printing. A bit
messy, but looks much nicer than today's legit laser markings. I guess
I could dilute the nice white ink down and mix it with black so you
could barely read it.

You can buy purpose built part grinders for DIPs, not sure about other
packages. The occasional stuff I see with part numbers removed
(including some really low end stuff) looks like they did it by hand
with a die grinder or some such thing.

John Larkin

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Jul 4, 2012, 11:30:34 AM7/4/12

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ICs have leads. Rockettes have legs.

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John Larkin

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Jul 4, 2012, 12:26:28 PM7/4/12

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The parts are really, really tiny. Maybe I could send tubes of them
out and have them laser remarked. It's like the tattoo parlors that
specialize in changing an old girlfriend's name into the new one.

Jim Thompson

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Jul 4, 2012, 12:44:08 PM7/4/12

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On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:49:43 -0700, John Larkin
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>
>
>We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
>numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
>with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
>have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
>messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>
>Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
>different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>
>Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.

John Larkin

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On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:44:08 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:49:43 -0700, John Larkin
><jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
>>numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
>>with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
>>have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
>>messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>>
>>Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
>>different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>>
>>Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.
>
>I've used an electric draftsman's eraser with an ink eraser insert...
>just abrasive enough to take off markings.

Tried that. It didn't work very well, and made a mess.

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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Jul 4, 2012, 1:34:55 PM7/4/12

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On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 10:53:59 +0200, Frank Buss <f...@frank-buss.de> wrote:

>spamtrap1888 wrote:
>>
>> Anyone who really wants to know what you use can decapsulate the ICs
>> -- we did that all the time for failure analysis and competitive
>> evaluation.
>
>How do you identify a chip by looking at the die?

That is how the reverse engineering thieves of the 80s did it.

Chips (most) are just too dense these days and the costs are too high
to attempt such thievery these days.

He just wants to keep them from directly copying the circuit with great
ease. Placing a roadblock in their way, as it were.

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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Jul 4, 2012, 1:39:53 PM7/4/12

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On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:24:42 -0400, Rich Webb
<bbe...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:

>
>It's a mini-sandblaster in an airbrush form-factor.

Bad idea!

They generate thousands of volts of static charge, and I guarantee
there will be ESD events. Every single lead/pin/ball/contact/LEG must be
shorted together to keep ESD events from getting inside the chip. There
WILL be ESD events if you blow silica grit over an insulator, such as
that which packaging mediums are made from. You cannot stop it.

Message has been deleted

Spehro Pefhany

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Jul 4, 2012, 1:53:18 PM7/4/12

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On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 10:53:59 +0200, Frank Buss <f...@frank-buss.de>
wrote:

>spamtrap1888 wrote:
>>
>> Anyone who really wants to know what you use can decapsulate the ICs
>> -- we did that all the time for failure analysis and competitive
>> evaluation.
>
>How do you identify a chip by looking at the die?

In some cases you can just read the logo and numbers off the die:

Eg. (LTC3442)
http://www.chipworks.com/uploadedimages/Technical_Competitive_Analysis/Teardowns/iPAD_Dice/Linear-DC_3342_DieMrkBG.gif

Even if the number on the die is not the same as the part number,
having the manufacturer's name and some idea of the chip's innards
will tie it down a lot.

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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Jul 4, 2012, 1:56:27 PM7/4/12

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The machine I sent you a link to can do it to them even after they are
soldered in, so you would only need to do it to actual product, and you
know right where everything is.

That also solves location/handling issues. Let the picker placer put
them in a known place (the circuit card), and then have the laser torch
those specific locations. It can even burn the barcode or UID in the
labeling area on the card too.

mike

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Jul 4, 2012, 4:17:30 PM7/4/12

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On 7/4/2012 7:05 AM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 00:13:57 -0700, mike<spa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/3/2012 10:49 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
>>> numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
>>> with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
>>> have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
>>> messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>>>
>>> Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
>>> different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>>>
>>> Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.
>>>
>>>
>> Sandpaper applied uniformly looks ok.
>> Average users will never see it.
>> Do you really care what potential competitors think when they crack
>> it open?
>
> Actually, I'm more concerned about customers than competitors.
>
>

Elaborate?
Outside inability to repair and inability to become your competitor,
what other reasons would anybody have to complain?

Anything mechanical, electrical or chemical done to the chips,
especially after assembly has to reduce the
reliability of the product. The fewer processes, the better.

The cost benefit ratio of this project sounds high.

Artemus

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"mike" <spa...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:jt28ek$tf5$1...@dont-email.me...

Glass Fiber Eraser.
Art

P E Schoen

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"John Larkin" wrote in message
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> Actually, I'm more concerned about customers than competitors.

Why would you be concerned about customers knowing what ICs you are using?
Will they roll their own and stop using yours? Not likely unless it's
something they use a lot of and they could justify the NRE of making a
clone. Why would they examine the unit so closely, unless it stopped working
and they wanted to repair it?

My previous version Ortmaster product used a Maxim MAX167 12 bit A/D
converter, and the distributor for the product, who bundled it with his
software, was afraid that his customers would make their own instrument if
they had the schematics and/or the part number of the IC, so I usually
sanded off the markings. He was also worried that people would copy his
software so he used a parallel port dongle. He encrypted the data files for
time/current curves which were supposedly proprietary and kept secret by a
large company (Cooper), who had taken the data from their tests of their
reclosers and published the curves on paper, but used the original data
points in their V-Pro software.

He was most worried about one large customer, Solomon, and he said they were
working on software and hardware that would replace my Ortmaster and his TCC
program. By around 2002 it was becoming a problem for customers to use
legacy computers with MSDOS and parallel ports, and the software and
hardware would not run on any version of Windows except Win95 (and maybe
Win98) in true MSDOS mode. So he had me design a version of the Ortmaster
that would work on a serial port (and then a USB port), while he developed
new software for his curve verification application. I had my device working
within 6 months, but he offloaded the software on a part-time student who
insisted on using DotNet because that's what he was studying, and then the
guy quit, and he got another developer to work on it.

But there was never any software spec and things never seemed to work right.
Customers were calling and emailing me and asking when the new version would
be ready, and all I could say is that Roy was working on his part, but they
called him and he never returned calls. I got calls from Solomon and they
were working on their own version because they could not get any
satisfaction from Roy. After 5 or 6 years of this, I developed my own
comprehensive software package and I've been selling it directly to
customers since 2009. And my biggest customer was Solomon. Roy still has had
the same website at www.rfei.net since ten years ago, that gives the status
of the product he may still be trying to make.

Paul
www.ortmaster.com

John Larkin

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Jul 4, 2012, 6:08:18 PM7/4/12

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On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 17:46:05 -0400, "P E Schoen" <pa...@peschoen.com>
wrote:

>"John Larkin" wrote in message
>news:ebj8v7l3rt99ofn73...@4ax.com...
>
>> Actually, I'm more concerned about customers than competitors.
>
>Why would you be concerned about customers knowing what ICs you are using?

I'm doing things that are very off-brand, not obvious use of parts,
and I'd rather that nobody else know what can be done with some of
these parts. We demo a lot of units to people who could potentially
make their own, or have *their* customers make something similar, and
an NDA is pretty thin protection.

>Will they roll their own and stop using yours? Not likely unless it's
>something they use a lot of and they could justify the NRE of making a
>clone.

That could happen. I'd rather tempt them as little as possible.

Why would they examine the unit so closely, unless it stopped working
>and they wanted to repair it?

A lot of this stuff will be sold as OEM board-only, not even a box.
Not that a box adds much mystery.

k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

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Jul 4, 2012, 6:12:40 PM7/4/12

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That they do!

>http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.335077!/img/httpImage/image.jpg

k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

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On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:49:43 -0700, John Larkin
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>
>
>We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
>numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
>with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
>have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
>messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>
>Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
>different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>
>Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.

How about just potting the whole thing?

John Larkin

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Jul 4, 2012, 6:34:10 PM7/4/12

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That's really messy. And it will wreck all my trace impedances.

Jim Thompson

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Jul 4, 2012, 6:35:21 PM7/4/12

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On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 17:46:05 -0400, "P E Schoen" <pa...@peschoen.com>
wrote:

>"John Larkin" wrote in message
>news:ebj8v7l3rt99ofn73...@4ax.com...
>
>> Actually, I'm more concerned about customers than competitors.
>
>Why would you be concerned about customers knowing what ICs you are using?

[snip]

The customers could actually critique Larkin's designs ??

John Larkin

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On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 15:35:21 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 17:46:05 -0400, "P E Schoen" <pa...@peschoen.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"John Larkin" wrote in message
>>news:ebj8v7l3rt99ofn73...@4ax.com...
>>
>>> Actually, I'm more concerned about customers than competitors.
>>
>>Why would you be concerned about customers knowing what ICs you are using?
>
>[snip]
>
>The customers could actually critique Larkin's designs ??
>
> ...Jim Thompson

Critique this:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53724080/Circuits/T240_200ps.JPG

Father Haskell

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Jul 4, 2012, 9:52:28 PM7/4/12

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On Jul 4, 1:49 am, John Larkin

<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
> numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
> with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
> have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
> messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>
> Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
> different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>
> Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.

About a minute on a 600 grit diamond plate. Lap
wet to keep the stone from clogging with slurry.
One minute more on a 1200 plate gives a nice
shine. Wet-dry paper would probably work, available
in grits up to 3,000, considerably cheaper than diamond.

spamtrap1888

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Jul 4, 2012, 10:36:02 PM7/4/12

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On Jul 4, 3:08 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 17:46:05 -0400, "P E Schoen" <p...@peschoen.com>

> wrote:
>
> >"John Larkin" wrote in message
> >news:ebj8v7l3rt99ofn73...@4ax.com...
>
> >> Actually, I'm more concerned about customers than competitors.
>
> >Why would you be concerned about customers knowing what ICs you are using?
>
> I'm doing things that are very off-brand, not obvious use of parts,
> and I'd rather that nobody else know what can be done with some of
> these parts.

This reminds me of my first employer, who designed a telephone circuit
board around a low noise 741 op amp whose performance no manufacturer
could guarantee. So we did 100% incoming test to sort the low noise
performers. Luckily the fallout could be used in other products.

I hope you're using them per their data sheets.

> We demo a lot of units to people who could potentially
> make their own, or have *their* customers make something similar, and
> an NDA is pretty thin protection.
>
> >Will they roll their own and stop using yours? Not likely unless it's
> >something they use a lot of and they could justify the NRE of making a
> >clone.
>
> That could happen. I'd rather tempt them as little as possible.

Are they stupid? Because stupid people think they can save money by
developing test equipment in house. Smart people do it only when there
are no economic alternatives. Their engineers' time is better spent
developing product than developing test equipment. Assuming you
provide prompt service, handholding, and integrate their needs into
new product, you should never have to worry about them rolling their
own.

>
> Why would they examine the unit so closely, unless it stopped working
>
> >and they wanted to repair it?
>
> A lot of this stuff will be sold as OEM board-only, not even a box.
> Not that a box adds much mystery.

What happens if you're hit by a bus and then the unit breaks? Do they
now own an expensive paperweight?

John Larkin

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Jul 4, 2012, 11:21:58 PM7/4/12

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On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 19:36:02 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
<spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 4, 3:08 pm, John Larkin
><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 17:46:05 -0400, "P E Schoen" <p...@peschoen.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"John Larkin" wrote in message
>> >news:ebj8v7l3rt99ofn73...@4ax.com...
>>
>> >> Actually, I'm more concerned about customers than competitors.
>>
>> >Why would you be concerned about customers knowing what ICs you are using?
>>
>> I'm doing things that are very off-brand, not obvious use of parts,
>> and I'd rather that nobody else know what can be done with some of
>> these parts.
>
>This reminds me of my first employer, who designed a telephone circuit
>board around a low noise 741 op amp whose performance no manufacturer
>could guarantee. So we did 100% incoming test to sort the low noise
>performers. Luckily the fallout could be used in other products.

741s were notorious for popcorn noise. And that was hard to test for.
An opamp may sit for hours or days, then start popping. We had to
datalog some ADI 20-bit DACS for popcorn noise; we ran that for a few
days, and washed out about half of them.

>
>I hope you're using them per their data sheets.

Often not. We use a lot of RF parts to build pulse stuff. RF parts
often have terrible spec sheets. DC curves often don't exist. C-V data
doesn't exist. Specified switching times are 10, 20x what is actually
achievable. Biasing directions are pretty much "adjust the gate
voltage until it works." An RF power mosfet may be specified for use
up to 28 volts, but they really mean that it will drive an output tank
using a 28 volt supply, where the drain voltage peaks at twice that.
Things like Rds-on aren't specified on Smith charts. PHEMT enhancement
isn't even mentioned. A detector diode is specified for 2 volts max
reverse, because that's all a detector needs, but works fine at 7
volts in real life. It's a game of trading performance for calculated
risk.

>
>> We demo a lot of units to people who could potentially
>> make their own, or have *their* customers make something similar, and
>> an NDA is pretty thin protection.
>>
>> >Will they roll their own and stop using yours? Not likely unless it's
>> >something they use a lot of and they could justify the NRE of making a
>> >clone.
>>
>> That could happen. I'd rather tempt them as little as possible.
>
>Are they stupid? Because stupid people think they can save money by
>developing test equipment in house.

Not test equipment, production stuff. And if they don't copy it, maybe
their foreign competitors will get their hands on one. Best to be
safe.

Smart people do it only when there
>are no economic alternatives. Their engineers' time is better spent
>developing product than developing test equipment. Assuming you
>provide prompt service, handholding, and integrate their needs into
>new product, you should never have to worry about them rolling their
>own.
>
>>
>> Why would they examine the unit so closely, unless it stopped working
>>
>> >and they wanted to repair it?
>>
>> A lot of this stuff will be sold as OEM board-only, not even a box.
>> Not that a box adds much mystery.
>
>What happens if you're hit by a bus and then the unit breaks? Do they
>now own an expensive paperweight?

Well, I'm not the only person in my company.

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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Jul 5, 2012, 12:29:56 AM7/5/12

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Also triboelectric.

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 07:07:45 -0700, John Larkin
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>
>They seem to be laser etched into the surface. Nothing will dissolve
>them, and it takes a lot of serious grinding to make them unreadable.
>
>Maybe I'll email Master Bond. They seem to like exotic problems.

The links I gave you solve your problems even at the lowest wattage.

I also gave procedural (logistical) solutions. Like when to etch.

Did I mention that I used to have a job making authentication dongles?
It was well before the (cheap) laser era, so we ground everything,
printed or etched with a dremel. The makers used lasers then just not us
regular folk. Now they are cheap.

Greegor

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On Jul 4, 11:29 pm, Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

While wet?

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 23:30:08 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <gree...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Do you think "wetness" automatically means a coupling to ground?

Owen Roberts

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Jul 5, 2012, 1:19:56 PM7/5/12

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Hysol ONE C. White, gets to hard tack cure with a blast from a heat
gun. Ceramic loaded epoxy, very low outgassing. Wont chip off, and
anything tough enough to cut it will damage the chip. I know it says
24 hour cure, but trust me, a few seconds with a heat gun and 1 hour
later you can handle it.

Steve

John Larkin

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On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:19:56 -0700 (PDT), Owen Roberts <o...@case.edu>
wrote:

Interesting. Thanks.

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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Jul 5, 2012, 6:40:04 PM7/5/12

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The conductive epoxy Ihave mentioned here in the past (Silver filled).
is what they attach chip dies to the lead frame mounts and can lids in
those cases. (ha! he said cases)

It would also aid shielding, not that it is an issue here.

4 hr bake at 80 C. Rock hard but conductive after that.

Even faster at higher temps.

Similar appearance to those chips with silver coatings on top.
Probably the same stuff, in fact.

http://www.epotek.com/SSCDocs/datasheets/h20e.pdf

Greegor

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> >> >About a minute on a 600 grit diamond plate. Lap
> >> >wet to keep the stone from clogging with slurry.
> >> >One minute more on a 1200 plate gives a nice
> >> >shine. Wet-dry paper would probably work, available
> >> >in grits up to 3,000, considerably cheaper than diamond.

Nymbecile > Also triboelectric

G > While wet?

Nymbecile > Do you think "wetness" automatically means a coupling to
ground?

Does the triboelectric effect take place under water, Dimmy?

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 21:05:26 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <gree...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>> While wet?

>
>> Do you think "wetness" automatically means a coupling to
>ground?
>
>Does the triboelectric effect take place under water, Dimmy?

It is not immersed, idiot, and nobody said anything about the wetting
medium being water to start with.

And yes, regardless of how the electrons get freed, they would still
accumulate. The triboelectric effect takes place because of the rub, not
where the rub took place.

Learn how to quote properly, asswipe.

miso

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This is the grandaddy of chip photographers:
> http://www.melgarphoto.com/

The logo is always on the die. I've never put a part number on the die.
Usually you don't even know the part number until it is time to make the
datasheet. Then the marketing person gets to make the executive decision
and assign a part number, justifying their job.

I never saw paint and remark go through without a retest.

I would suggest a custom marking from the factory. A custom marking
causes a bit of uneasiness since the company copying the product doesn't
know if the part has special testing. Based on mask sequence, they can
tell if the part has any different circuitry.

miso

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Jul 6, 2012, 1:10:59 AM7/6/12

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If the spec isn't in the electricals with test limits, it doesn't exist.

Greegor

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On Jul 5, 11:28 pm, Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers
<theslipper...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 21:05:26 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <greego...@gmail.com>

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/msg/66d2186a067eef58

From: Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 18:52:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: hiding IC part numbers

About a minute on a 600 grit diamond plate. Lap
wet to keep the stone from clogging with slurry.
One minute more on a 1200 plate gives a nice
shine. Wet-dry paper would probably work, available
in grits up to 3,000, considerably cheaper than diamond.

--------------------
To this you responded:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/msg/f7fad32b518ec8e6

From: Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers
<theslipper...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>

Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 21:29:56 -0700
Subject: Re: hiding IC part numbers

Also triboelectric.

----------------------------------

I asked "While wet?" and you correctly pointed out that
grounding would be an issue, but later you even suggested
that the wetness might not even be water.

Are you REALLY so lacking in common sense
that you think everybody else is too, Nymbecile?

Please explain how the triboelectric effect
takes place underwater.

I've never heard of underwater static electricity.
Is there an exotic form of water that is dielectric
enough for that to take place?

Maybe some extremely demineralized distilled water?
Norwegian heavy water?

Joe Chisolm

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On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:49:43 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

> We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part numbers
> of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops with
> Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we have it
> and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's messy to mix
> and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
>
> Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
> different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
>
> Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.

You might try a UV cure epoxy or UV ink. Epoxy Technology says they can
do color. Master Bond has a UV cure epoxy that cures with a "haze". This
might be enough to obscure the part number. The problem with UV ink is
amount you have to buy and shelf life vs limited amount you will probably
use.

Call Epoxy Tech, Master Bond, Loctite or 3M. Another one is UVEXS in
Sunnyvale

--
Chisolm
Republic of Texas

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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Jul 6, 2012, 4:05:54 AM7/6/12

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On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 23:05:43 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <gree...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>

>I asked "While wet?" and you correctly pointed out that
>grounding would be an issue,

No, I didn't you total fucking retard. I pointed out that wet lapping
and IMMERSION are two different things.

You clueless fuck.

> but later you even suggested
>that the wetness might not even be water.

No shit. Lapping is usually performed with oil.
>
>Are you
snip

You learn to quote correctly or fuck off and die greegor. And getting
my name right is part of that. Essentially you can fuck off and die,
because I know you will not get it right.

>Please explain how the triboelectric effect
>takes place underwater.

It isn't "underwater" you absolute fucking retard.

>I've never heard of underwater static electricity.

No one ever described any either, nit wit.

>Is there an exotic form of water that is dielectric
>enough for that to take place?

You know absolutely nothing about static electricity.
A leyden jar uses conductors to store charge. The dielectric merely
allows the separation to occur.

If the lapping device remains separated from ground, any charge
generated will remain with the lapping assembly.

>
>Maybe some extremely demineralized distilled water?
>Norwegian heavy water?

You're a goddamned idiot,and you deserve no more of my attention.

Nomen Nescio

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Jul 6, 2012, 9:50:14 AM7/6/12

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John Larkin <jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 00:13:57 -0700, mike <spa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> >On 7/3/2012 10:49 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> We have gadget we're selling, and we'd like to obscure the part
> >> numbers of three small, thin ICs. Currently we're globing the tops
> >> with Thermalloy green thermally-conductive epoxy, mainly because we
> >> have it and it looks cool, shiny green, when it's cured. But it's
> >> messy to mix and takes a day to cure, or an hour or so in an oven.
> >>
> >> Any better ideas? Something fast and that looks good. Maybe even
> >> different colors for different chips. Needs to be permanent.
> >>
> >> Grinding the markings off is messy and ugly.
> >>
> >>

> >Sandpaper applied uniformly looks ok.
> >Average users will never see it.
> >Do you really care what potential competitors think when they crack
> >it open?
>

> Actually, I'm more concerned about customers than competitors.

and not concerned about professional ethics

hamilton

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Jul 6, 2012, 9:59:19 AM7/6/12

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> John Larkin <jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>> Actually, I'm more concerned about customers than competitors.

Are you saying you do not want to let you customers repair their own
equipment ??

What will your customers do that your competitors won't ??

I do not understand this line of thinking.

hamilton

John Larkin

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Jul 6, 2012, 11:28:10 AM7/6/12

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Ethics? What do you mean?

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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Jul 6, 2012, 11:34:12 AM7/6/12

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On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 08:28:10 -0700, John Larkin

You responded to one of Usenet's biggest trolls.

He knows NOTHING of ethics (obviously).

Why he seems to think that you removing chip IDs is unethical is yet
another proof of his lack of competency.

Yet I gave you solutions. Which you ignored.

So keep pounding your pud with the dumbfucks. I really don't care.

Greegor

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Jul 6, 2012, 9:34:37 PM7/6/12

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Nymbecile > You're a goddamned idiot,and you deserve no more of my
attention.

Who else is on that list so far?

Tim Williams

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Jul 6, 2012, 9:59:05 PM7/6/12

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Ok.

There's a little bit of squiggle at the top. The edges could be sharper
("only" 72ps?). Rise and fall aren't matched to arbitrary precision.
There's drool after the falling edge. The pulses are off timing by a few
ps. Etc.

But what you're really after is, it could be a pile of junk, but if that's
all the customer wants, then it doesn't matter what anyone else says about
it. More specifically, even if it's not what the customer wants, as long as
you sell it...

Tim

--
Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk.
Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms

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hamilton

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Jul 6, 2012, 10:26:31 PM7/6/12

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Is Nymbecile also StickThatUpMyASSAndSmokeit ?

John Larkin

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Jul 6, 2012, 10:44:28 PM7/6/12

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On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 20:59:05 -0500, "Tim Williams"
<tmor...@charter.net> wrote:

>Ok.
>
>There's a little bit of squiggle at the top. The edges could be sharper
>("only" 72ps?). Rise and fall aren't matched to arbitrary precision.

Nothing is matched to arbitrary precision.

>There's drool after the falling edge. The pulses are off timing by a few
>ps. Etc.
>

The output of this differential pulser challenges sampling
oscilloscopes. PSPL has a series of appnotes about the response of
various sampling heads.

The 20/80 rise time, which is what people generally use in the
picosecond business, is around 42 ps.

>But what you're really after is, it could be a pile of junk, but if that's
>all the customer wants, then it doesn't matter what anyone else says about
>it. More specifically, even if it's not what the customer wants, as long as
>you sell it...

As it turns out, customers want it.

Michael A. Terrell

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Jul 6, 2012, 11:45:07 PM7/6/12

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BubbleSorter <Bubble...@URallinyerplace.org>
Bungalow Bill <Bugal...@AbbeyRoad.UKCOM>
Capt. Cave Man <ItIsSoEasyAC...@upyers.org>
CellShocked <cells...@thecellvalueattheendofthespreadsheet.org>
Chairman Meow <MeowSa...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>
20
ChairmanOfTheBored <RUB...@crackasmile.org>

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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and then you die

Greegor

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Jul 7, 2012, 6:29:05 PM7/7/12

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On Jul 7, 9:20 am, Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers
<theslipper...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
> and then you die

Nymbecile Dimbulb ( J Shepard ) 1950 Cherrywood Street, Vista, CA
92081

http://www.whitepages.com/name/Jack-Shepard/Vista-CA
http://www.whitepages.com/name/Jack-V-Shepard/Vista-CA/2p5frx8

He's listed as J Shepard living with
Rita J Shepard (86) and Jack V Shepard (87).
(760) 598-1123
1950 Cherrywood Street, Vista, CA 92081

He could be in his early 50's living with Mommy and Daddy.
It's possible that he's Jack V Shepard, but I doubt he's 87.
I think it's more likely he's an an adopted little bastard.

I knew he was formerly of Oceanside, CA
because he posted with his IP address showing
in his post headers once.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=1950+Cherrywood+Street,+Vista,+CA+92081-7359

https://www.sdctreastax.com/ebpp3/(iifk4zytyz21wyilgfucu5yf)/Search.Aspx
Parcel # 169-432-41-00
SHEPARD FAMILY 1990 REVOCABLE TRUST 02-07-90

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AM <thisthatandtheot...@beherenow.org>
AnimalMagic <AnimalMa...@petersbackyard.org>
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AwlSome Auger <AwlSomeAu...@BuyOneGetOneFree.org>
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BarnCat
<Barn...@keepingthevermindownatthebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>
10
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BigBalls <BiggestBallsOf...@thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org>
BillyPilgrim <BillyPilg...@thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org>
BlindBaby <BlindMelonChit...@wellnevergetthatonethealbumcover.org>

Booong... Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum... (Intel ad)"

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BubbleSorter <BubbleSor...@URallinyerplace.org>
Bungalow Bill <BugalowB...@AbbeyRoad.UKCOM>
Capt. Cave Man <ItIsSoEasyACaveManCanD...@upyers.org>
CellShocked <cellshoc...@thecellvalueattheendofthespreadsheet.org>
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20
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<theslipper...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>

Cleavon "Bart" Little
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DarkMatter <DarkMat...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>
DarkSucker <DarkSuc...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>
Do I really need to say? <r...@thescree.org>
Dorothy with the Red Shoes on <Doro...@notinkansas.org>
Dr. Heywood R. Floyd <Heyw...@thebarattheendofthemonolith.org>
30
DreadKnot <DreadK...@GodandHisWrath.org>
Dread Pirate Roberts <DreadPirateRobe...@iamnotlefthanded.org>
DrParnassus <DrParnas...@hereforlongtime.org>
Duke <DukeNu...@girlsgirlsgirls.org>
Duke Nukem
FatBytestard <FatBytest...@somewheronyourharddrive.org>
FigureItOut <LocusPo...@magicregion.org>
FullMettleJacket
<GettingCloserToMyH...@somewherenearthewhitelight.org>
FunkyPunk FieldEffectTrollsistor <FunkShunPoign...@yermomma.org>
FunkyPunk FieldEffectTrollsistor <FunkShunPoin...@yermomma.org>
40
George Orr <Gergo...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>
GoldIntermetallicEmbrittlement
<GoldIntermetallicEmbrittlem...@youdontknowjack.org>
Hattori Hanzo <OutintheS...@billsbackyard.org>
HectorZeroni <hectorzer...@holeyplaces.org>
Hellequin <Helleq...@yourpipesaremypipes.org>
Herbert John \Jackie\" Gleason" <BufordTJust...@Texarkanacops.gov>
HiggsField <higgdfi...@whutthableapduyoukno.org>
IAmTheSlime
<TheSlimeFromYourVi...@oozingacrossyourlivingroomfloor.org>
ItchyGato <Itchyg...@catswithcritters.org>
ItsASecretDummy <secretasian...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>
50
Jupiter Jaq <Jupiter...@BuyOneGetOneFree.org>
Kai <k...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>
Klinger <Justtheguywhofillsinthepotho...@justnorthofsouthkorea.org>
LargeMarge <LargeMa...@thetentwoposition.org>
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lurch <lu...@yourangcousinitslibrary.org>
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MakeNoAttemptToAdjustYourSet
<DoNotAttemptToAdjustYour...@anytime.org>
60
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MeowSayTongue <MeowSayTon...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>
MettleBeerStolid <MettleBeerSto...@somewherenearthewaterpipe.org>
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Mr.Eko <ekointhed...@lostisland.org>
Mr. Haney <mrha...@thebarattheendofthefarmroad.org>
MrTallyman <MrTally...@BananaCountersRUs.org>

My Name Is Tsu How Do You Do <T...@hereforlongtime.org>

Mycelium <myceliumgr...@underyourshrooms.org>
70
Mycelium <mycel...@thematrixattheendofthemushroomstem.org>
Naomi Price <NaomiPr...@guesswhatisforsale.org>
Neanderthal <da...@gottafindawomanrighton.org>
Notably Stationed <NotableStat...@inlife.org>
Numer0 Un0 <Numer0...@abettermanthanyou.org>
Nunya <jack_sheph...@cox.net>
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Pasticcio
Perenis <Pere...@hereforlongtime.org>
Pieyed Piper <pieyedPi...@thebongshopattheendoftheuniverse.org>
80
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PowderedToastMan <PowderedToast...@YouEeediot.org>
Pueblo Dancer <Kach...@AllHopiIsLost.org>
RoyLFuchs <RoyLFu...@urfargingicehole.org>
scorpius
<scorp...@thewormholethatemptiesontheothersideoftheuniverse.org>
SkyPilot <somewh...@theedgeofspace.org>
SomeKindOfWonderful
<SomeKindOfWonder...@allthegirlsintheworldbeware.org>
Son of a Sea Cook <NotaBrews...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>
SoothSayer <SaySo...@TheMonastery.org>
Spurious Response <SpuriousRespo...@cleansignal.org>
StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt <Zarathus...@thusspoke.org>
90
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hamilton

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On 7/7/2012 4:29 PM, Greegor wrote:
<snip>

How do you know ?

h

Bart!

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Jul 7, 2012, 11:02:06 PM7/7/12

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> and then you die

I hope that family tears you a new asshole, asshole.

Greegor

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Jul 8, 2012, 2:18:10 AM7/8/12

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hamilton > How do you know ?

Several times over the years he has slipped up
with his anonymous server BS, and revealed
his actual IP with Cox.

Skiptracer searches are not so easily fooled by
merely spelling your name wrong/differently.
He once used an email address openly displaying
Jack Shephard, is listed as J Sheppard and his
parents? names are Shepard.

If you work as hard as he has to insult and
make dire threats against as many people
as he has, inevitably somebody somewhere
will figure out who you are.

Nymbecile has displayed zero human
empathy and contempt for humanity itself,
so when he expressed overflowing human
concern for the innocents, it was fairly
obvious THAT was an attempt at deception.

The raging aspie's rages were to be expected
either way, and his deception that posting
such PUBLIC information was illegal was
complete horse hockey.

Nymbecile Dimbulb ( J Shepard ) 1950 Cherrywood Street, Vista, CA

92081-7359

http://www.whitepages.com/name/Jack-Shepard/Vista-CA
http://www.whitepages.com/name/Jack-V-Shepard/Vista-CA/2p5frx8

He's listed as J Sheppard living with

Rita J Shepard (86) and Jack V Shepard (87).
(760) 598-1123

1950 Cherrywood Street, Vista, CA 92081-7359

----------

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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Jul 8, 2012, 3:07:29 AM7/8/12

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On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 23:18:10 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <gree...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Several times over the years he has slipped up
>with his anonymous server BS, and revealed
>his actual IP with Cox.

You are a true idiot. ALL of the IPs "with Cox" on *this* leg show up
at the same location. It is their "head end" up this way, you retarded
twit.

Easy proof is simply by looking at it.It shows up on military property,
you stupid twit.

So do all the other Cox accounts up here.

They NEVER resolved to an actual account holders location, you pathetic
WORM.

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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Jul 8, 2012, 3:13:57 AM7/8/12

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On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 23:18:10 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <gree...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>

>Skiptracer searches are not so easily fooled by
>merely spelling your name wrong/differently.
>He once used an email address openly displaying
>Jack Shephard, is listed as J Sheppard and his
>parents? names are Shepard.

Skiptracer searches? You are a stalker, boy. They are gonna come and
take your pathetic ass away.

Sounds like you are committing felonies every time you pull your crap
on someone in Usenet. It is illegal, you know, to use that facility for
other than licensed services.

That email shows up whenever I use the google groups account, you
fucking retard. There is nothing hidden, and you are beyond stupid.
And no, it isn't my name.

Calling you human is a "wrong spelling".

I hope that family broils you. You deserve vivisection.

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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Jul 8, 2012, 3:19:11 AM7/8/12

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On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 23:18:10 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <gree...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>If you work as hard as he has to insult and
>make dire threats against as many people
>as he has, inevitably somebody somewhere
>will figure out who you are.

List these alleged "dire threats".

Lying about such things is illegal as well, little man.

What you gonna do when they come for you?

You had better hope I do not "figure out who you are".

You will do prison time.

Nunya

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Jul 8, 2012, 5:52:01 AM7/8/12

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On Jul 6, 8:45 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Editing post headers is Terrell's immature behavior model.

Nunya

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Jul 8, 2012, 6:03:01 AM7/8/12

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On Jul 7, 11:18 pm, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hamilton > How do you know ?
>
> Several times over the years he has slipped up
> with his anonymous server BS, and revealed
> his actual IP with Cox.

greegor is a Usenet newsgroup abusing kook FROM THE KOOK group,
who along with the immature old fart bastard Terrell, just abused the
group
with 200+ line posts that were even more meaningless than they are!

There is no anon server, there is the FACT that Cox doesn't have nntp
anymore, and that means free providers. Leave it to loser greegor to
try to make it something other than it is.

Greegor makes these finger pointer posts because he thinks he has
a mission. What he is is pathetic and wrong.

Oh NO! GREEGOR! What am I doing back in Oceanside?!!!

Oh, that's right... you never had a fucking clue to begin with.

Michael A. Terrell

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Jul 8, 2012, 7:00:25 AM7/8/12

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Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers wrote:
>
> On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 23:18:10 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <gree...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Several times over the years he has slipped up
> >with his anonymous server BS, and revealed
> >his actual IP with Cox.
>
> You are a true idiot. ALL of the IPs "with Cox" on *this* leg show up
> at the same location. It is their "head end" up this way, you retarded
> twit.
>
> Easy proof is simply by looking at it.It shows up on military property,
> you stupid twit.

Which s where most of that block is assigned.

> So do all the other Cox accounts up here.
>
> They NEVER resolved to an actual account holders location, you pathetic
> WORM.

So, IP addresses are something else you don't understand. I've had
the same dynamic IP address for several years. I'ts assigned to the
cable modem by Road Runner.

Greegor

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Jul 8, 2012, 7:41:39 AM7/8/12

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On Jul 8, 2:19 am, Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers
<theslipper...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 23:18:10 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <greego...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
> >If you work as hard as he has to insult and
> >make dire threats against as many people
> >as he has, inevitably somebody somewhere
> >will figure out who you are.

> List these alleged "dire threats".
>
> Lying about such things is illegal as well, little man.
>
> What you gonna do when they come for you?
>
> You had better hope I do not "figure out who you are".

> You will do prison time.

You've said that for YEARS and
about many people as well, ya gasbag!

hamilton

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Jul 8, 2012, 8:33:10 AM7/8/12

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So Jack,

Do you admit that you are all the personalities that Greegor has listed ??

Hamilton

k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

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Jul 8, 2012, 10:15:05 AM7/8/12

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 06:33:10 -0600, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com> wrote:

>So Jack,
>
>
>Do you admit that you are all the personalities that Greegor has listed ??

You must be new here.

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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Jul 8, 2012, 11:44:24 AM7/8/12

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 07:00:25 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>>
>> They NEVER resolved to an actual account holders location, you pathetic
>> WORM.
>
>
> So, IP addresses are something else you don't understand.

You are an idiot. COX knows "exactly" where it is assigned, but YOU
idiots only see the Cox hub location. You got it yet, you retarded fuck!

> I've had
>the same dynamic IP address for several years.

And if I remained attached to the same MAC id I would too. Fact is,
HOWEVER, you fucking total retard, my router has changed since then, and
thus so has my IP. Also, I can hook up to any of a number of machines
here and get a new IP each time,you fucking utter retard!

> I'ts assigned to the
>cable modem by Road Runner.

No shit, dumbfuck. But you got that wrong too. It is ASSIGNED to the
MAC address of the FIRST device the cable modem is attached to.

It can be a computer, a PS3, an XBOX360, a router, a TV. ANY number of
candidate, and they would ALL get their own unique IP address.

IF the device is a single device, you are done. IF the device is a
router, you can then attach all those other devices downstream of the
router.

SO, asswipe, IP addresses is something I do understand, because I know
EXACTLY what they assign them to, when, where, and when where and how it
changes. YOU, on the other hand, have a very limited, layman's level
cursory grasp of it.

I assign IPs to several levels of sever in my gateways. I think I
"know" a bit more about them than an old dying dolted dumbfuck like you
does.

So, in your zeal to spew yet more insults toward me, you got it ALL
wrong AGAIN, Terrell. And you get the standard set of insults a total
retarded immature fuck like you deserves.

hamilton

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Jul 8, 2012, 11:47:39 AM7/8/12

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No, I have been here for years.

So Jack,

Do you admit that you are all the personalities the Greegor has listed ??

Hamilton

FullMettleJacket

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Jul 8, 2012, 11:51:23 AM7/8/12

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No, it's just that his level of senility is a bit greater than and
carries a slightly different texture than yours does.

You are all immature idiots for letting the kook greegor spool you up.
And it was the immature retard Michael Terrell who wasted 200 lines.
Greegor is just punch drunk because he has a new text to cut and paste
into his abuse posts. Look up the little retard's history, and you'll
find that stalking and posting addresses he *thinks* belongs to someone
he hates is ALL THE LITTLE TWERP DOES.

The shame is that the law sits on their thumbs even worse than the
retards in here do, and idiots like him get to abuse the forum endlessly.
HE breaks the law. He should get his little Zimmerman Complex ridden ass
rode out of town on a rail. But you little retards had to act just like
him. Good job, you immature losers.

k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

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Jul 8, 2012, 12:16:38 PM7/8/12

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 09:47:39 -0600, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com> wrote:

>On 7/8/2012 8:15 AM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 06:33:10 -0600, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So Jack,
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you admit that you are all the personalities that Greegor has listed ??
>>
>> You must be new here.
>>
>
>No, I have been here for years.

You act like you've never "met" Nymbecile.

>So Jack,
>
>Do you admit that you are all the personalities the Greegor has listed ??
>

He has. You've embarrassed him, though. His pee pee shriveled.

Michael A. Terrell

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Jul 8, 2012, 2:28:04 PM7/8/12

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Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers wrote:
>

Yawn. The wire monkey rants again!

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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Jul 8, 2012, 2:35:27 PM7/8/12

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 14:28:04 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"

Isn't it always cute when a loser gets caught? How he slinks away
spouting his pathetic insults.

It wasn't a rant, you fucking loser. It was an iteration of how WRONG
you are, and how WRONG you have been in everything you ever said about
me, fuckhead.

What it did was prove you wrong, which is why your only response was
guaranteed to be a lame, greegor like squirm.

Squirm away, you fucking bona fide loser. It will not change the fact
that you do not know a fucking thing about TCP/IP and my toe jam knows
more!

Read it again, fuckhead. They do NOT allow tracers to resolve to actual
account physical locations. The closest you fucking hunt-it-up retards
get is the Cox hub I am fed from.

You got it, loser? You fucking retarded twit!

hamilton

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Jul 8, 2012, 2:47:13 PM7/8/12

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So Jack = (all Nymbecile names)

OK, I'll send jack a letter and if he does get it, he can post the
numbers I send him.

hamilton

k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

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Jul 8, 2012, 4:18:36 PM7/8/12

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 12:47:13 -0600, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com> wrote:

>On 7/8/2012 10:16 AM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 09:47:39 -0600, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/8/2012 8:15 AM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 06:33:10 -0600, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So Jack,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you admit that you are all the personalities that Greegor has listed ??
>>>>
>>>> You must be new here.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, I have been here for years.
>>
>> You act like you've never "met" Nymbecile.
>>
>>> So Jack,
>>>
>>> Do you admit that you are all the personalities the Greegor has listed ??
>>>
>> He has. You've embarrassed him, though. His pee pee shriveled.
>>
>So Jack = (all Nymbecile names)

Sure. Always has been.

>OK, I'll send jack a letter and if he does get it, he can post the
>numbers I send him.

Well, he's stupid enough to fall for it.

John Fields

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Jul 8, 2012, 6:23:57 PM7/8/12

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 16:18:36 -0400, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 12:47:13 -0600, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
>>On 7/8/2012 10:16 AM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 09:47:39 -0600, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/8/2012 8:15 AM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 06:33:10 -0600, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So Jack,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you admit that you are all the personalities that Greegor has listed ??
>>>>>
>>>>> You must be new here.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, I have been here for years.
>>>
>>> You act like you've never "met" Nymbecile.
>>>
>>>> So Jack,
>>>>
>>>> Do you admit that you are all the personalities the Greegor has listed ??
>>>>
>>> He has. You've embarrassed him, though. His pee pee shriveled.

---
What a mean bunch of hateful miscreants you are, since instead of
trying to fix the problem you exacerbate it in deference to your own
vainglory.
---

>>So Jack = (all Nymbecile names)
>
>Sure. Always has been.
>
>>OK, I'll send jack a letter and if he does get it, he can post the
>>numbers I send him.
>
>Well, he's stupid enough to fall for it.

---
And if he doesn't, then your next call will be that he wasn't, but
should have been?

--
JF

k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

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Jul 8, 2012, 7:04:59 PM7/8/12

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 17:23:57 -0500, John Fields
<jfi...@austininstruments.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 16:18:36 -0400, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
><k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 12:47:13 -0600, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 7/8/2012 10:16 AM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 09:47:39 -0600, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/8/2012 8:15 AM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 06:33:10 -0600, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So Jack,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you admit that you are all the personalities that Greegor has listed ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You must be new here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I have been here for years.
>>>>
>>>> You act like you've never "met" Nymbecile.
>>>>
>>>>> So Jack,
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you admit that you are all the personalities the Greegor has listed ??
>>>>>
>>>> He has. You've embarrassed him, though. His pee pee shriveled.
>
>---
>What a mean bunch of hateful miscreants you are, since instead of
>trying to fix the problem you exacerbate it in deference to your own
>vainglory.

Wah, wah. It's no surprise that you want to protect your brother, though.

>---
>
>>>So Jack = (all Nymbecile names)
>>
>>Sure. Always has been.
>>
>>>OK, I'll send jack a letter and if he does get it, he can post the
>>>numbers I send him.
>>
>>Well, he's stupid enough to fall for it.
>
>---
>And if he doesn't, then your next call will be that he wasn't, but
>should have been?

No, but I'm really surprised you didn't.

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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Jul 8, 2012, 7:43:55 PM7/8/12

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 17:23:57 -0500, John Fields

<jfi...@austininstruments.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 16:18:36 -0400, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
><k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 12:47:13 -0600, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 7/8/2012 10:16 AM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 09:47:39 -0600, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/8/2012 8:15 AM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 06:33:10 -0600, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So Jack,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you admit that you are all the personalities that Greegor has listed ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You must be new here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I have been here for years.
>>>>
>>>> You act like you've never "met" Nymbecile.
>>>>
>>>>> So Jack,
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you admit that you are all the personalities the Greegor has listed ??
>>>>>
>>>> He has. You've embarrassed him, though. His pee pee shriveled.
>
>---
>What a mean bunch of hateful miscreants you are, since instead of
>trying to fix the problem you exacerbate it in deference to your own
>vainglory.
>---

They are EXACTLY the total retards I called them out to be.

The idiot greegor is a kook, but these dorks who would claim to be
civil are just as criminal as he is by quoting and re-posting his
garbage.

>
>>>So Jack = (all Nymbecile names)
>>
>>Sure. Always has been.
>>
>>>OK, I'll send jack a letter and if he does get it, he can post the
>>>numbers I send him.
>>
>>Well, he's stupid enough to fall for it.
>
>---
>And if he doesn't, then your next call will be that he wasn't, but
>should have been?

Fall for what? I will not receive any such letter, because that person
and that family and that address which greegor criminally posted abuse
against is NOT ME! Again, I hope they sue every fucktard who EVER posted
their address, starting with the egregiously criminal greegor!

Can you guys really be so stupid as to fall for greegor's kookery? Look
up HIS fucking post history on Google! Christ, me calling you idiots a
retard is nothing compared to what that low life fucktard does!
Wake the fuck up already!

He is probably some lame Ex-PIG who got fired for his abuse in public
service. In my book, ALL pigs who commit crimes should get EXTRA time.

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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Jul 8, 2012, 7:51:00 PM7/8/12

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 19:04:59 -0400, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>Wah, wah. It's no surprise that you want to protect your brother, though.

Really? Show me where Mr. Fields has "been my brother" at any time
ever.

He hasn't. It is more of your blatantly obvious senility creeping in
on you.

You have spent years foisting lies in here, and the archives are proof.

I have never in my life seen such a large group of WOULD BE scientists
and engineers act so fucking absolutely immature.

You practically top the list. He isn't even on it.

But you are far too stupid to grasp why.

k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

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Jul 8, 2012, 8:55:21 PM7/8/12

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 16:51:00 -0700, Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers
<thesli...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 19:04:59 -0400, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
><k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>>Wah, wah. It's no surprise that you want to protect your brother, though.
>
> Really? Show me where Mr. Fields has "been my brother" at any time
>ever.

Twin.

> He hasn't. It is more of your blatantly obvious senility creeping in
>on you.

AlwaysWrong is a liar. Nothing new.

> You have spent years foisting lies in here, and the archives are proof.

AlwaysWrong lies, as usual.

> I have never in my life seen such a large group of WOULD BE scientists
>and engineers act so fucking absolutely immature.

LOL! You are pretty funny, even when you're AlwaysWrong.

> You practically top the list. He isn't even on it.

Oh, my. That's some compliment, coming from AlwaysWrong.

> But you are far too stupid to grasp why.

Nah, that's easy. Another lie, from AlwaysWrong. Still no surprises, you're
still always wrong, AlwaysWrong.

Greegor

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Jul 9, 2012, 4:18:36 AM7/9/12

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On Jul 8, 5:23 pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
[...]

> What a mean bunch of hateful miscreants you are, since instead of
> trying to fix the problem you exacerbate it in deference to your own
> vainglory.

How are you connected with Nymbecile?
How do you propose we fix the problem?
What problem are you acknowledging?

How dare you blame the various targets of
Nymbeciles sustained rage and threats
for turning the tables on him?

I was talked into leaving Nymbecile alone long ago.
I left and now return, only to see that he
has not slowed in his aggression one iota.

Clearly appeasement has failed.

Greegor

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Jul 9, 2012, 4:24:12 AM7/9/12

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Corbomite Carrie

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Jul 9, 2012, 4:52:01 AM7/9/12

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On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 01:18:36 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <gree...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jul 8, 5:23 pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
>[...]
>> What a mean bunch of hateful miscreants you are, since instead of
>> trying to fix the problem you exacerbate it in deference to your own
>> vainglory.
>
>How are you connected with Nymbecile?

There is no such person, idiot.

>How do you propose we fix the problem?

Asking you to jump into the lye pit voluntarily would not likely work.

>What problem are you acknowledging?

That you lie, and are vain about it.

k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

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Jul 9, 2012, 9:36:46 AM7/9/12

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On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 01:18:36 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <gree...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 8, 5:23 pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
>[...]
>> What a mean bunch of hateful miscreants you are, since instead of
>> trying to fix the problem you exacerbate it in deference to your own
>> vainglory.
>
>How are you connected with Nymbecile?

At the hip.

>How do you propose we fix the problem?

Fix? Like DimBulb, he has no want of any fix. ...just another troublemaker.

Greegor

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Jul 9, 2012, 12:21:46 PM7/9/12

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On Jul 9, 8:36 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz>
wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 01:18:36 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 8, 5:23 pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
> >[...]
> >> What a mean bunch of hateful miscreants you are, since instead of
> >> trying to fix the problem you exacerbate it in deference to your own
> >> vainglory.
>
> >How are you connected with Nymbecile?
>
> At the hip.
>
> >How do you propose we fix the problem?
>
> Fix? Like DimBulb, he has no want of any fix. ...just another troublemaker.

Is John Fields just another of Dimbulb's aliases?

He's answering questions for John Fields.

John Larkin

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Jul 9, 2012, 12:32:33 PM7/9/12

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On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:21:46 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <gree...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jul 9, 8:36 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz>
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 01:18:36 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Jul 8, 5:23 pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
>> >[...]
>> >> What a mean bunch of hateful miscreants you are, since instead of
>> >> trying to fix the problem you exacerbate it in deference to your own
>> >> vainglory.
>>
>> >How are you connected with Nymbecile?
>>
>> At the hip.
>>
>> >How do you propose we fix the problem?
>>
>> Fix? Like DimBulb, he has no want of any fix. ...just another troublemaker.
>
>Is John Fields just another of Dimbulb's aliases?

No, JF lives in Texas, and (very) occasionally actually posts
circuits.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

Greegor

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Jul 9, 2012, 12:40:38 PM7/9/12

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John Fields posts through 4ax anonymous server
with an address at a bogus domain.
Austin Instruments (of MA) has a website at
the domain of http://www.austinst.com/
and that company lists an email address
of aust...@tiac.net

It's not conclusive evidence that Fields is
another Nymbecile sock ID, but it's possible.

k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

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Jul 9, 2012, 1:29:36 PM7/9/12

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He's not, just a scat-buddy.

Greegor

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Jul 9, 2012, 2:42:13 PM7/9/12

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G > John Fields posts through 4ax anonymous server

G > with an address at a bogus domain.
G > Austin Instruments (of MA) has a website at
G > the domain of http://www.austinst.com/
G > and that company lists an email address
G > of austiinst AT tiac.net
G >
G > It's not conclusive evidence that Fields is
G > another Nymbecile sock ID, but it's possible.

krw > He's not, just a scat-buddy.

I can't imagine why any sane poster would
present a supportive or tolerant attitude
toward Nymbecile.