improving hand shaking while soldering
Johnny Chang
microscopes and my hands are just way too shakey. I've never really
been a coffee drinker and I find things to rest my wrists and forearms
on but it is still pretty bad.
Are there any exercises or vitamins I can take to aid this?
John Larkin
It's possible you are just using too much magnification. Less mag and
a wider field of view may be better.
John
Jim Thompson
Didn't your mother tell you that "it" would make you go shaky and then
blind ?:-)
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Johnny Chang
well, this is noticible even without magification, on my SMT project
it was a real hassle and I had my girlfriend do it. It also applies
to photography hobby.
On Sep 12, 12:08 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:54:37 -0700 (PDT), Johnny Chang
>
Johnny Chang
On Sep 12, 12:13 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:54:37 -0700 (PDT), Johnny Chang
>
> <johnny...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >So I've begun working with really small SMT components under
> >microscopes and my hands are just way too shakey. I've never really
> >been a coffee drinker and I find things to rest my wrists and forearms
> >on but it is still pretty bad.
>
> >Are there any exercises or vitamins I can take to aid this?
>
> Didn't your mother tell you that "it" would make you go shaky and then
> blind ?:-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
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Phil Hobbs
Rest your hands on the table and just use the muscles of your thumb and
first two fingers. Much less shaky even than the wrist.
Cheers,
Phil Hobbs
Rich Webb
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>So I've begun working with really small SMT components under
>microscopes and my hands are just way too shakey. I've never really
>been a coffee drinker and I find things to rest my wrists and forearms
>on but it is still pretty bad.
As John L recommends, a lesser magnification would probably help.
Inspect, and perhaps touch-up, under the microscope but work with
something like an Optivisor. The five diopter (2 1/2 x) model is
popular. There are alternates but beware of cheapies with cast acrylic
lenses. http://www.doneganoptical.com/optivisor.php
>Are there any exercises or vitamins I can take to aid this?
Jack Daniel's Tennessee sour mash. However, as with many things in
electronics, there are trade-offs ...
--
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Eeyore
Johnny Chang wrote:
Less beer ?
Graham
dalai lamah
> Are there any exercises or vitamins I can take to aid this?
Benzodiazepines? :)
Eeyore
Phil Hobbs wrote:
> John Larkin wrote:
> > Johnny Chang wrote:
> >
> >> So I've begun working with really small SMT components under
> >> microscopes and my hands are just way too shakey. I've never really
> >> been a coffee drinker and I find things to rest my wrists and forearms
> >> on but it is still pretty bad.
> >>
> >> Are there any exercises or vitamins I can take to aid this?
> >
> >
> > It's possible you are just using too much magnification. Less mag and
> > a wider field of view may be better.
>
> Rest your hands on the table and just use the muscles of your thumb and
> first two fingers. Much less shaky even than the wrist.
Or you can glue the components down first.
Graham
Jeff Liebermann
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
Nope. What you need are Gyro-Gloves(tm). Put them on your hands. A
rather large gyroscope spins around the back of the hands and acts as
a stabilizer. The size and pisition of the gyro is determined by the
degree of shaking and which muscles are involved.
No, it's not a joke. I was working on the concept in about 1997 (yet
another dot.com that went nowhere). I don't wanna talk about the
details.
My initial prototype was actually built as a joke. However, when I
tried using it to stabilize my pistol target shooting, I found that my
groups were reduced to well under half or less in diameter. I also
tried it on a friend with Parkinsons Disease, who indicated that with
minimal practice, he was able to function much better. However, he
also indicated that his hand and wrist muscles were fighting the
rotating gyro. Combined with the added weight it was rather tiring. I
also built one to stabilize various optical devices. When I hung a
large gyro on my bicycle, things didn't go quite so well. Same
problem trying to play piano wearing the Gyro-Gloves(tm). I'll see if
I can dig up some photos.
Otherwise, look into various muscle relaxants that are usually
prescribed for Parkinsons. Common Ibuprofen/Motrin might work. For
anything stronger you'll probably need a prescription from a doctor.
--
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Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Jim Thompson
My favorite! Don't drink it often, maybe one drink every few
months... although Drambuie ranks right up there also ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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aaa
<rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> bloviated:
More beer!
John Larkin
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:46:22 -0400, Rich Webb
><bbe...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:54:37 -0700 (PDT), Johnny Chang
>><john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>So I've begun working with really small SMT components under
>>>microscopes and my hands are just way too shakey. I've never really
>>>been a coffee drinker and I find things to rest my wrists and forearms
>>>on but it is still pretty bad.
>>
>>As John L recommends, a lesser magnification would probably help.
>>Inspect, and perhaps touch-up, under the microscope but work with
>>something like an Optivisor. The five diopter (2 1/2 x) model is
>>popular. There are alternates but beware of cheapies with cast acrylic
>>lenses. http://www.doneganoptical.com/optivisor.php
>>
>>>Are there any exercises or vitamins I can take to aid this?
>>
>>Jack Daniel's Tennessee sour mash. However, as with many things in
>>electronics, there are trade-offs ...
>
>My favorite! Don't drink it often, maybe one drink every few
>months... although Drambuie ranks right up there also ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Martell. Cordon Bleu. One drop at a time.
John
Tim Williams
> >Are there any exercises or vitamins I can take to aid this?
>
> Jack Daniel's Tennessee sour mash. However, as with many things in
> electronics, there are trade-offs ...
Incidentially, most of my shakiness disappears when I'm
concentrating. Lovely stuff, the body and mind, go figure. There are
surgeons who shake like the San Andreas but perform operations as
delicate as any other.
Tim
krw
jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com says...
I'm with both of you; Drambuie, one drop at a time. ;-)
--
Keith
John Larkin
I tried some Cordon Argent once (at, like, 3x the price) but couldn't
tell the difference. Too subtle for my tastes, I guess.
John
Jamie
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:54:37 -0700 (PDT), Johnny Chang
> <john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>So I've begun working with really small SMT components under
>>microscopes and my hands are just way too shakey. I've never really
>>been a coffee drinker and I find things to rest my wrists and forearms
>>on but it is still pretty bad.
>>
>>Are there any exercises or vitamins I can take to aid this?
>
>
> Didn't your mother tell you that "it" would make you go shaky and then
> blind ?:-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Ever hear of glasses! :)
Jim Thompson
I find most of the brandies too "bitey" to my taste. If I want pure
alcohol I prefer vodka shots served ice cold, particularly good when
served with blinis filled with sour cream ;-)
On a trip to Germany I got bumped up to First Class, and they served
exactly that, and kept 'em coming for about an hour.
In the middle of that night I thought I was going to be sick, but I
managed to slowly sip water and stop my body from rebelling ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Lipstick!
George Herold
Well Mike N. has always claimed that exactly 1/2 beer was what he
needed to "connect" really small things.
George
mpm
> > Jack Daniel's Tennessee sour mash.
I got (dangerously) drunk off Jack Daniels in an underage drinking
binge that TO THIS DAY, one whif and I immediately feel like I want to
puke. Believe it when folks tell you the sense of smell is very
powerful in recalling memories.
And it doesn't even end there! Wild Turkey (and some others) have the
same effect - even though I don't think I've ever tried them. Weird.
On a plus note, I could rollerskate a lot better drunk. (allegedly...)
-mpm
John Popelish
There might be. The shaking is partly a form of control
loop instability (too much gain and integral effect for the
dead time). Are you, by any chance, on a low salt diet? I
think I heard somewhere that a shortage of potassium ions in
your bloodstream can delay your muscle reaction time (or
maybe it is your nerve reaction time, I'm not a biochemist)
a little, allowing the position control system to destabilize.
You might take a shake of salt substitute (mostly potassium
chloride) on your tongue before fine work. It hits your
bloodstream very fast. Great to quench out muscle cramps,
also.
Of course alcohol and other depressants lower the loop gain,
but that causes other problems with fine work, like you
accidentally sitting on it. ;-)
--
Regards,
John Popelish
Charlie E.
wrote:
Well, Jack Daniels is one of the reasons why I don't drink, which is
why I usually don't engage in the discussions on alcoholic beverages -
no experience!
When I was young, probably 13-14, we visited the Jack Daniels
distillery. At one point, they take you to the mash tanks, and I made
the mistake of looking in while taking a breath.
Fortunately, I fell backwards, so someone was able to catch me...
Charlie
LVMarc
Marc
Nemo
very steady hands and short sightedness which is a boon in this kind of
work.
How I generally work on very fine stuff is, I rest the sides of my hands
with little fingers on each side of the thing I'm working on; this means
the hands are steady and you only have to worry about the fingers being
steady. I use some 5x or 7x stereo magnifiers and a bright light to give
me a good view of the thing I'm soldering.
For even finer work, below the 0.5mm pitch I've gone to, I've seen
people rely largely on masses of flux to correct errors, and using
solder paste. By the way, although you can get auto solder paste
dispensers which allegedly dispense a controlled blob of gop when you
press a foot switch, as far as I can make out they aren't calibrateable
for the tiny dollops needed for fine work. But my colleague made himself
a dispnser consisting of a hypodermic syringe filled with solder paste
with a screw tightening widget on the back to squeeze ou microscopic
amounts at a time, which works pretty well.
Also keep in mind the trick of using a wooden toothpick to hold down the
top of a component while poking away with a soldering iron.
--
Nemo
Jim Thompson
Naaaaaah! Take it from one with many years of experience... excess
sex calms the nerves and definitely mellows one out ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Michael A. Terrell
Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:39:10 -0800, LVMarc <LVM...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >Johnny Chang wrote:
> >> So I've begun working with really small SMT components under
> >> microscopes and my hands are just way too shakey. I've never really
> >> been a coffee drinker and I find things to rest my wrists and forearms
> >> on but it is still pretty bad.
> >>
> >> Are there any exercises or vitamins I can take to aid this?
> >You need to drink coffee and then solder. Works all the time.
> >
> >Marc
>
> Naaaaaah! Take it from one with many years of experience... excess
> sex calms the nerves and definitely mellows one out ;-)
But you'll refudse to get out of bed and go to work if it was that
good.
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[regarding shaky hands and SMT components...]
> Naaaaaah! Take it from one with many years of experience... excess
> sex calms the nerves and definitely mellows one out ;-)
>
Naaaaaaah!
That's just the side effects that build up from years of taking
Viagra, Geritol, Propecia and Rogaine!! :)
-mpm
JosephKK
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:39:10 -0800, LVMarc <LVM...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Johnny Chang wrote:
>> >> So I've begun working with really small SMT components under
>> >> microscopes and my hands are just way too shakey. I've never really
>> >> been a coffee drinker and I find things to rest my wrists and forearms
>> >> on but it is still pretty bad.
>> >>
>> >> Are there any exercises or vitamins I can take to aid this?
>> >You need to drink coffee and then solder. Works all the time.
>> >
>> >Marc
>>
>> Naaaaaah! Take it from one with many years of experience... excess
>> sex calms the nerves and definitely mellows one out ;-)
>
>
> But you'll refudse to get out of bed and go to work if it was that
>good.
If my partner is sufficiently interested / invested in the final
assembly outcome she will get me moving on the electronic project once
again immediately after.