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John Doe

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Sep 17, 2021, 5:42:46 AMSep 17
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https://youtu.be/wAAMBQOpyWg

Then they should sue immediately, asking for an injunction against the ban.

Our Constitution guarantees a free press.

Anthony William Sloman

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Sep 17, 2021, 7:41:12 AMSep 17
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Fox News is Rupert Murdoch's attack dog. It still seems to be in the business of making Donald Trump look good by selective and misleading reporting.

That's not the kind of free press the US constitution intended to guarantee - it's more like Trump's tame propaganda machine.

John Doe is dumb enough - like Flyguy - to believe their brand of nonsense.

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dca...@krl.org

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Sep 17, 2021, 9:11:50 AMSep 17
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The US constitution is intended to guarantee all press to be free. The press is intended to present a free market place of ideas.

Dan

bitrex

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Sep 17, 2021, 10:36:03 AMSep 17
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Fuck Texas! I hope the bastards grow a pair and secede, already.

Anthony William Sloman

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On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 11:11:50 PM UTC+10, dca...@krl.org wrote:
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 7:41:12 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 7:42:46 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
> > > https://youtu.be/wAAMBQOpyWg
> > >
> > > Then they should sue immediately, asking for an injunction against the ban.
> > >
> > > Our Constitution guarantees a free press.
> > Fox News is Rupert Murdoch's attack dog. It still seems to be in the business of making Donald Trump look good by selective and misleading reporting.
> >
> > That's not the kind of free press the US constitution intended to guarantee - it's more like Trump's tame propaganda machine.
> >
> > John Doe is dumb enough - like Flyguy - to believe their brand of nonsense.
>
> The US constitution is intended to guarantee all press to be free. The press is intended to present a free market place of ideas.

The founding tax evaders would have taken a dim view of somebody like Rupert Murdoch who uses his newspapers and television channels to sell cheap propaganda to gullible twits, apparently in order to be able to offer his advertisers a particularly gullible audience for their deceitful advertising.

As Adam Smith pointed out, the free market does need to be regulated to stop the merchants cheating their customers.

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/420123-people-of-the-same-trade-seldom-meet-together-even-for

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jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com

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Sep 17, 2021, 10:48:19 AMSep 17
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There are 29 million people in Texas. Do you hate every one of them?

Have you been to Texas?



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bitrex

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Sep 17, 2021, 10:56:51 AMSep 17
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On 9/17/2021 10:48 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:35:54 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On 9/17/2021 5:42 AM, John Doe wrote:
>>> https://youtu.be/wAAMBQOpyWg
>>>
>>> Then they should sue immediately, asking for an injunction against the ban.
>>>
>>> Our Constitution guarantees a free press.
>>>
>>
>> Fuck Texas! I hope the bastards grow a pair and secede, already.
>
> There are 29 million people in Texas. Do you hate every one of them?

Nope

> Have you been to Texas?

Yep

bitrex

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Sep 17, 2021, 11:09:07 AMSep 17
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On 9/17/2021 10:48 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:35:54 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On 9/17/2021 5:42 AM, John Doe wrote:
>>> https://youtu.be/wAAMBQOpyWg
>>>
>>> Then they should sue immediately, asking for an injunction against the ban.
>>>
>>> Our Constitution guarantees a free press.
>>>
>>
>> Fuck Texas! I hope the bastards grow a pair and secede, already.
>
> There are 29 million people in Texas. Do you hate every one of them?
>
> Have you been to Texas?
>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche>

<https://www.foxnews.com/media/congressman-calls-governor-texas-start-disregarding-this-president>

Nothing pleases me more than when elected officials put their money
where their mouth is, as regardless of their political affiliation or
ideological concepts, as it does give the impression they aren't what's
generally referred to as "total scam-artists."

My belief is that the government of Texas is full of what's generally
referred to as "total scam-artists." But we'll see, I guess.




jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com

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Sep 17, 2021, 11:36:14 AMSep 17
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Texas is huge, and ranges from cajun to asian to hispanic to
semiconductor to cowboy. Generalizing about 29 million people spread
over 268K square miles is not prudent.

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org

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Sep 17, 2021, 11:45:36 AMSep 17
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bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote in
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Not allowed. No way for ANY state to "secede".

After reaping the benefits of this great nation, you do not get to
turn your back on it. PERIOD.

bitrex

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Sep 17, 2021, 11:56:12 AMSep 17
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On 9/17/2021 11:36 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:56:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On 9/17/2021 10:48 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:35:54 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/17/2021 5:42 AM, John Doe wrote:
>>>>> https://youtu.be/wAAMBQOpyWg
>>>>>
>>>>> Then they should sue immediately, asking for an injunction against the ban.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our Constitution guarantees a free press.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fuck Texas! I hope the bastards grow a pair and secede, already.
>>>
>>> There are 29 million people in Texas. Do you hate every one of them?
>>
>> Nope
>>
>>> Have you been to Texas?
>>
>> Yep
>
> Texas is huge, and ranges from cajun to asian to hispanic to
> semiconductor to cowboy. Generalizing about 29 million people spread
> over 268K square miles is not prudent.
>
>
>

It is called a Synecdoche:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche>


bitrex

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bitrex

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Sep 17, 2021, 12:01:21 PMSep 17
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Fine, let them go arrest every local business owner who hires migrant
workers illegally and give them 100 years, OK with me.

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com

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Sep 17, 2021, 12:06:56 PMSep 17
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Mindless tribal generalization and rule-making are antithetical to
electronic design, or to any creative thinking. Or to human tolerance.

bitrex

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Sep 17, 2021, 12:11:43 PMSep 17
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On 9/17/2021 12:06 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 11:56:04 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On 9/17/2021 11:36 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:56:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/17/2021 10:48 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:35:54 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/17/2021 5:42 AM, John Doe wrote:
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/wAAMBQOpyWg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then they should sue immediately, asking for an injunction against the ban.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Our Constitution guarantees a free press.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fuck Texas! I hope the bastards grow a pair and secede, already.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are 29 million people in Texas. Do you hate every one of them?
>>>>
>>>> Nope
>>>>
>>>>> Have you been to Texas?
>>>>
>>>> Yep
>>>
>>> Texas is huge, and ranges from cajun to asian to hispanic to
>>> semiconductor to cowboy. Generalizing about 29 million people spread
>>> over 268K square miles is not prudent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It is called a Synecdoche:
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche>
>>
>
> Mindless tribal generalization and rule-making are antithetical to
> electronic design, or to any creative thinking. Or to human tolerance.
>

You have a 386DX for a brain and don't understand common colloquial
expressions in regular use by non 386-brain-equipped humans, we know:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRG7fZuQSk0>

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com

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Sep 17, 2021, 12:19:05 PMSep 17
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Finding a fancy definition for prejudice and racism doesn't change
their reality.

dca...@krl.org

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Sep 17, 2021, 12:27:42 PMSep 17
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But regulating the free market is not related to having a free press.

Dan

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org

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Sep 17, 2021, 1:01:13 PMSep 17
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bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote in
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You actually think you want those jobs?

There is a reason that certain jobs only get filled by certain
people, and it aint because the business owner is trying to cut
costs. It is because he cannot get enough staff to function.

I think you define and epitomize the term "tunnel vision".

bitrex

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Sep 17, 2021, 1:37:20 PMSep 17
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You run some good lines about "tribalism" but AFAIK you still a VIP-tier
member of the Trump Tribe, one of the goofiest tribes there ever was,
and have never once considered turning in ya membership card.

bitrex

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Sep 17, 2021, 1:40:04 PMSep 17
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AFAIK the laws of Texas say they're not supposed to do that, regardless
of whether a particular business can find adequate staff, or not. I
didn't write the law.

John Doe

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Sep 17, 2021, 2:21:20 PMSep 17
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If someone cannot afford to hire Americans, their business is not
important as they think. If consumers don't want a product badly enough,
tough titties, no one is entitled to run a business. Instead, they can
enter the workforce, get a real job working for peanuts like they want
others to do, and thereby help solve their (perceived) American worker
shortage problem!

Always Wrong... "If you cannot succeed by following the law, break the
law!" (paraphrased)

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dca...@krl.org

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Sep 17, 2021, 3:59:42 PMSep 17
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Fox News has obtained authority to resume drone flights over the southern border.

Dan

Edward Hernandez

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The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
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> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
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> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
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Rick C

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Don't worry about it. The general trend for population increases in cities which are largely democratic (even in Texas) and the many missteps the republicans are making will likely tip Texas to a blue state by the end of the decade.

JD doesn't know anything about the law. Obviously the press are not allowed to do things that endanger people. They can't fly their helicopters anywhere they want, so why should they fly a drone anywhere they want?

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John Doe

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A weird nym-shifting stalker, usually "Corvid" (also "Charger Boy", see sci.electronics.repair)...

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Edward Hernandez

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> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
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John Doe

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Apparently Fox now has permission to fly its drones exactly the same way
it was flying them before. As anyone who watches the videos can see, the
drones were not flying over anybody.

An expatriate blowhard...

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DecadentLinux...@decadence.org

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John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote in
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> If someone cannot afford to hire Americans, their business is not
> important as they think.

Your convoluted opinion means that you are not as important as you
think.

> If consumers don't want a product badly
> enough, tough titties,

If I want your skull cruched in by an elephant... THAT is tough
titties. As far as knowing anything about "consumers", you are only
hitting on one cylinder out of eight.

> no one is entitled to run a business.

No one is entitled to let retarded punk fucks like you continue to
breathe either.

> Instead, they can enter the workforce, get a real job working for
> peanuts like they want others to do,

Is that what America has become to you? You ain't real bright,
boy. But we knew that already because you cannot even post into
Usenet correctly. You are a top posting total retard, and the "free
spam horseshit you add to your "follow up headers" makes you even
more in need of a baseball bat neural adjustment.

> and thereby help solve their
> (perceived) American worker shortage problem!

You are not bright, and you are certainly not funny. Nice try
though, considering how many decades behind your physical age you
mental age has become.

> Always Wrong...

Yes, you are. Every time you post here. This is another example.

> "If you cannot succeed by following the law, break
> the law!" (paraphrased)

In retarded red states, I am 100% sure that there are retarded laws
on their books. After all, Republitards in office just spent the
last 60 years convoluting the minds of American voters with their
fucktarded lies. Now we have stupid jackasses like you calling
people cannibals and other 100% totally retarded trumpanzee stupid
shit.










John Doe

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The reactionary foulmouthed group idiot, a.k.a. Always Wrong,
going postal as it often does as if it matters...

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John Doe

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I would start a new thread about the Pentagon admitting their drone strike
killed 10 civilians and zero Isis members, but this is too easy. Nonstop.

Aren't you glad Trump was defeated?

Edward Hernandez

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The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
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> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is > CLUELESS...

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Edward Hernandez

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The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
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> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
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> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is > CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
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John Doe

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Your old friends, John Larkin and Always Wrong,
want you to stop following up to my posts...

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DecadentLinux...@decadence.org

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John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote in news:si33vm$vvb$1@dont-
email.me:

> Your old friends, John Larkin and Always Wrong,
> want you to stop following up to my posts...
>

No, fucktard.

We would prefer that YOU listened to us over the years and either
began posting correctly or simply go elsewhere. Because your
improperly formatted tripe is not wanted here.

And your retarded full quote with all headers top posted responses to
people adding a retarded follow up non-group is about as stupid as it
gets.

But none of it sinks in with you and you continue to make retarded
bullshit posts, and now you are jumping on the guy who told you about
your stupidity.

We told you as well, just not recently like him and not every post
like him.

Your stupid full quote with headers top posted CRAP is about as
stupid as a Usenet poster can possibly get.

SkyTard Posting isn't the most retarded guy in this group... YOU ARE!

Edward Hernandez

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The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4...@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1...@dont-email.me>:

> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is > CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorectly formatted USENET posting on Fri, 17 Sep 2021 22:14:15 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <si33vm$vvb$1...@dont-email.me>.

Anthony William Sloman

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On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 2:27:42 AM UTC+10, dca...@krl.org wrote:
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 10:36:03 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 11:11:50 PM UTC+10, dca...@krl.org wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 7:41:12 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 7:42:46 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
> > > > > https://youtu.be/wAAMBQOpyWg
> > > > >
> > > > > Then they should sue immediately, asking for an injunction against the ban.
> > > > >
> > > > > Our Constitution guarantees a free press.
> > > > Fox News is Rupert Murdoch's attack dog. It still seems to be in the business of making Donald Trump look good by selective and misleading reporting.
> > > >
> > > > That's not the kind of free press the US constitution intended to guarantee - it's more like Trump's tame propaganda machine.
> > > >
> > > > John Doe is dumb enough - like Flyguy - to believe their brand of nonsense.
> > >
> > > The US constitution is intended to guarantee all press to be free. The press is intended to present a free market place of ideas.
> > The founding tax evaders would have taken a dim view of somebody like Rupert Murdoch who uses his newspapers and television channels to sell cheap propaganda to gullible twits, apparently in order to be able to offer his advertisers a particularly gullible audience for their deceitful advertising.
> >
> > As Adam Smith pointed out, the free market does need to be regulated to stop the merchants cheating their customers.
> >
> > https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/420123-people-of-the-same-trade-seldom-meet-together-even-for
>
> But regulating the free market is not related to having a free press.

Since the Murdoch media is cheating it's customers, by serving up cheap-to-produce political propaganda rather than properly researched news, it clearly needs to be regulated. The free market may not be the same concept as a few press, but what the Murdoch media is doing is clearly dangerous - remember the Capitol invasion? - and immoral, perhaps downright criminal.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Anthony William Sloman

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Sep 17, 2021, 10:00:54 PMSep 17
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The US justice system does have a preference for right wing politics.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

Flyguy

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Sep 17, 2021, 10:41:17 PMSep 17
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> SL0WMAN, Sydney

Another LIE that SL0WMAN presents with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE - fucking CONGENITAL LIAR!

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org

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Sep 17, 2021, 11:45:57 PMSep 17
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Edward Hernandez <dtga...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:si3ari$10vn$1...@gioia.aioe.org:

snip

STOP stalking his posts and STOP posting announcements about his
inability to post properly.

Why? Because YOUR POSTS are inappropriate for this group.
YOUR garbage becomes just as bad as his is. So now instead of one
stupid post from him, we get one from him and then one from you.
How quaint... NOT!!!

So fucking STOP.

Go be a fucking gamer somewhere else, child.

John S

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Sep 17, 2021, 11:52:25 PMSep 17
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On 9/17/2021 11:06 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 11:56:04 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On 9/17/2021 11:36 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:56:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/17/2021 10:48 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:35:54 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/17/2021 5:42 AM, John Doe wrote:
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/wAAMBQOpyWg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then they should sue immediately, asking for an injunction against the ban.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Our Constitution guarantees a free press.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fuck Texas! I hope the bastards grow a pair and secede, already.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are 29 million people in Texas. Do you hate every one of them?
>>>>
>>>> Nope
>>>>
>>>>> Have you been to Texas?
>>>>
>>>> Yep
>>>
>>> Texas is huge, and ranges from cajun to asian to hispanic to
>>> semiconductor to cowboy. Generalizing about 29 million people spread
>>> over 268K square miles is not prudent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It is called a Synecdoche:
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche>
>>
>
> Mindless tribal generalization and rule-making are antithetical to
> electronic design, or to any creative thinking. Or to human tolerance.
>

So, why aren't you tolerant of his comment? I've lived in Texas all my
life and I wasn't offended.


John S

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Sep 17, 2021, 11:57:53 PMSep 17
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On 9/17/2021 11:01 AM, bitrex wrote:
> On 9/17/2021 11:45 AM, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
>> bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote in
>> news:gJ11J.35337$ol1....@fx42.iad:
>>
>>> On 9/17/2021 5:42 AM, John Doe wrote:
>>>> https://youtu.be/wAAMBQOpyWg
>>>>
>>>> Then they should sue immediately, asking for an injunction
>>>> against the ban.
>>>>
>>>> Our Constitution guarantees a free press.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fuck Texas! I hope the bastards grow a pair and secede, already.
>>
>> Not allowed.  No way for ANY state to "secede".
>>
>>    After reaping the benefits of this great nation, you do not get to
>> turn your back on it.  PERIOD.
>>
>
> Fine, let them go arrest every local business owner who hires migrant
> workers illegally and give them 100 years, OK with me.

I think you have the wrong perception of what's going on. We Texans
don't want illegals here either. It's your president that opened the
border.

Anthony William Sloman

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On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 12:41:17 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 7:00:54 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 5:59:42 AM UTC+10, dca...@krl.org wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 5:42:46 AM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
> > > > https://youtu.be/wAAMBQOpyWg
> > > >
> > > > Then they should sue immediately, asking for an injunction against the ban.
> > > >
> > > > Our Constitution guarantees a free press.
> > >
> > > Fox News has obtained authority to resume drone flights over the southern border.
> >
> > The US justice system does have a preference for right wing politics.
>
> Another LIE that Sloman presents with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE - fucking CONGENITAL LIAR!

Flyguy does like to think that it is a lie. In fact it is one of those self-evident truths that right-wing idiots think they can ignore.

The US Supreme Court has been relentless in striking down any law that might prevent very rich people making huge contributions to the political candidates that they like.

Every other advanced industrial country has rules that make this a lot more difficult, though right-wing political parties do work non-stop to circumvent them.

--
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Anthony William Sloman

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Sep 18, 2021, 12:03:49 AMSep 18
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The Texan working class might not like the competition from cheap illegal labour, but the Texan employers hire them with enthusiasm,and they do have a lot more political clout than the working class - for a start they they can make much bigger contributions to the election expenses of the politicians they like.

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John S

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On 9/17/2021 6:40 PM, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote in news:si33vm$vvb$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> Your old friends, John Larkin and Always Wrong,
>> want you to stop following up to my posts...
>>
>
> No, fucktard.
>
> We would prefer that YOU listened to us over the years and either
> began posting correctly or simply go elsewhere. Because your
> improperly formatted tripe is not wanted here.
>
> And your retarded full quote with all headers top posted responses to
> people adding a retarded follow up non-group is about as stupid as it
> gets.


Why does he do that, anyway? The full header, that is.

Flyguy

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Sep 18, 2021, 12:06:42 AMSep 18
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> SL0WMAN, Sydney

Hey SL0WMAN, your lie was:

"The US justice system does have a preference for right wing politics."

The US justice system has NO SUCH PROVEN preference. You responded with something TOTALLY DIFFERENT, you idiot.

John Doe

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Sep 18, 2021, 5:47:06 AMSep 18
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"the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions" (Bill Sloman)

Bozo the Clown...

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Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

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John Doe

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Sep 18, 2021, 5:55:44 AMSep 18
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Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> bill....@ieee.org wrote:
>> dca...@krl.org wrote:
>> > John Doe wrote:

>> > > https://youtu.be/wAAMBQOpyWg
>> > >
>> > > Then they should sue immediately, asking for an injunction against
>> > > the ban.
>> > >
>> > > Our Constitution guarantees a free press.
>> >
>> > Fox News has obtained authority to resume drone flights over the
>> > southern border.

>> The US justice system does have a preference for right wing politics.

> Another LIE that SL0WMAN presents with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE - fucking
> CONGENITAL LIAR!

Of course. Anyone who is familiar with flying drones can figure out what
happened. Justified or not... The FAA decided to restrict drone flights in
the area because allegedly now there is too much air traffic. They are
requiring drone pilots to ask for permission (like near an airport), so
that's what Fox did.

They might worry that someone will nuke the illegal invaders they are
ushering into our country.

John Doe

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Sep 18, 2021, 6:00:50 AMSep 18
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The people SHOULD be able to do something about it. The federal government
usurping the power from the states to prevent this catastrophe, especially
when the federal government couldn't care less or in fact is promoting
illegal immigration, makes no sense whatsoever. We the people are suffering
and will suffer from it, it should be left to the people. It's another
example of our Supreme Dictators wrecking our country.

John Doe

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Sep 18, 2021, 6:04:41 AMSep 18
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Antonin Scalia...

That would be remarkable only because nobody would think that with this
scheme in place, the Federal Government would not enforce it.

Of course no one would have expected that.

But what Arizona says has occurred here is that the scheme in place has not
been enforced, and Arizona and other States are in serious trouble
financially and for other reasons because of -- of unrestrained immigration.

And therefore, they had to take this very massive -- I agree this step is
massive, and one wouldn't have expected it to occur under this statute, but
expectations change when the Federal Government has -- has simply not
enforced the immigration restrictions.

Rick C

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Sep 18, 2021, 6:10:26 AMSep 18
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On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 11:45:57 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> Edward Hernandez <dtga...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:si3ari$10vn$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
>
> snip
>
> STOP stalking his posts and STOP posting announcements about his
> inability to post properly.
>
> Why? Because YOUR POSTS are inappropriate for this group.

Oh? But YOUR POSTS are valuable gold ragging on everyone for everything?


> YOUR garbage becomes just as bad as his is. So now instead of one
> stupid post from him, we get one from him and then one from you.
> How quaint... NOT!!!

I think he posts half as many garbage posts as you do. Virtually every post in this group is garbage. The number of on topic posts has dropped to such a low number as to effectively constitute a group of de-facto off topic posts.


> So fucking STOP.

Yes, please STOP!


> Go be a fucking gamer somewhere else, child.

You can never rise to the level of posting something substantive, so just STFU!

Rick C

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Sep 18, 2021, 6:13:03 AMSep 18
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Oh, so you give them jobs so they can stay off the welfare rolls? That's very nice of Texans. I didn't know you cared.

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Rick C

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On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 12:05:35 AM UTC-4, John S wrote:
> On 9/17/2021 6:40 PM, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> > John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote in news:si33vm$vvb$1@dont-
> > email.me:
> >
> >> Your old friends, John Larkin and Always Wrong,
> >> want you to stop following up to my posts...
> >>
> >
> > No, fucktard.
> >
> > We would prefer that YOU listened to us over the years and either
> > began posting correctly or simply go elsewhere. Because your
> > improperly formatted tripe is not wanted here.
> >
> > And your retarded full quote with all headers top posted responses to
> > people adding a retarded follow up non-group is about as stupid as it
> > gets.
> Why does he do that, anyway? The full header, that is.

It is his way of showing disrespect, like showing you the bottom of his feet. Bush did a nice job of ducking the shoe that time, didn't he?

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-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

John Doe

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Sep 18, 2021, 6:54:37 AMSep 18
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Here we have Ricksy defending a nym-shifting stalker nobody knows, for
perpetually posting the exact same idiotic reply with no commentary
whatsoever, as if there is any chance that could somehow be useful to this
group or to USENET...

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Anthony William Sloman

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On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 2:06:42 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 8:58:15 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 12:41:17 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 7:00:54 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 5:59:42 AM UTC+10, dca...@krl.org wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 5:42:46 AM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
> > > > > > https://youtu.be/wAAMBQOpyWg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then they should sue immediately, asking for an injunction against the ban.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Our Constitution guarantees a free press.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fox News has obtained authority to resume drone flights over the southern border.
> > > >
> > > > The US justice system does have a preference for right wing politics.
> > >
> > > Another LIE that Sloman presents with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE - fucking CONGENITAL LIAR!
> >
> > Flyguy does like to think that it is a lie. In fact it is one of those self-evident truths that right-wing idiots think they can ignore.
> >
> > The US Supreme Court has been relentless in striking down any law that might prevent very rich people making huge contributions to the political candidates that they like.
> >
> > Every other advanced industrial country has rules that make this a lot more difficult, though right-wing political parties do work non-stop to circumvent them.
>
> Hey Sloman, your lie was:
> "The US justice system does have a preference for right wing politics."

It is a demonstrable fact. It is the kind of fact that Flyguy insists on denying, even though it makes him look exactly like the idiot he is

> The US justice system has NO SUCH PROVEN preference. You responded with something TOTALLY DIFFERENT, you idiot.

Flyguy likes to think that is worth his while to insist on the validity of the the version of reality he wants acknowledged.

Pity about that.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

John Doe

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Sep 18, 2021, 7:21:35 AMSep 18
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On USENET, identities are easily forged. Sometimes ignorant people are
fooled by that, happens plenty. Posting header information and archiving
it is a good way to help flush out and keep track of nym-shifting trolls,
just like the utterly pointless nym-shifting stalker "Edward Hernandez"
nobody knows and Ricksy supports...

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Anthony William Sloman

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On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 8:54:37 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
> Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 11:45:57 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> >> Edward Hernandez <dtga...@gmail.com> wrote in news:si3ari$10vn$1...@gioia.aioe.org:

< snip >

> >> STOP stalking his posts and STOP posting announcements about his inability to post properly.
> >>
> >> Why? Because YOUR POSTS are inappropriate for this group.
> >
> > Oh? But YOUR POSTS are valuable gold ragging on everyone for everything?
> >
> >> YOUR garbage becomes just as bad as his is. So now instead of one
> >> stupid post from him, we get one from him and then one from you.
> >> How quaint... NOT!!!
> >
> > I think he posts half as many garbage posts as you do. Virtually every post in this group is garbage. The number of on topic posts has dropped to such a low number as to effectively constitute a group of de-facto off topic posts.
> >
> >> So fucking STOP.
> >
> > Yes, please STOP!
> >
> >> Go be a fucking gamer somewhere else, child.
> >
> > You can never rise to the level of posting something substantive, so just STFU!
>
> Here we have Ricksy defending a nym-shifting stalker nobody knows, for
> perpetually posting the exact same idiotic reply with no commentary
> whatsoever, as if there is any chance that could somehow be useful to this
> group or to USENET...

It is a bit strange to to see John Doe complaining about what Rick. C posted about Decadent Linux User Numero Uno who at least does post a range of different responses. This is more that John Doe or Edward Hernandez can usually manage.

John Doe is down there in the Flyguy class when it comes to processing complicated information so he may not have noticed that what Rick C. posted wasn't any kind of defense of Edward Hernandez. It was more an assertion that DLUNU contributions may be well-intentioned, but they aren't helping.

This contributions isn't going to do any good either, but it makes me feel better.

--
Bil Sloman, Sydney

Anthony William Sloman

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On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 9:21:35 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
> Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 12:05:35 AM UTC-4, John S wrote:
> >> On 9/17/2021 6:40 PM, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> >> > John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote in news:si33vm$vvb$1@dont-
> >> > email.me:
> >> >
> >> >> Your old friends, John Larkin and Always Wrong,
> >> >> want you to stop following up to my posts...
> >> >>
> >> > No, fucktard.
> >> >
> >> > We would prefer that YOU listened to us over the years and either
> >> > began posting correctly or simply go elsewhere. Because your
> >> > improperly formatted tripe is not wanted here.
> >> >
> >> > And your retarded full quote with all headers top posted responses to
> >> > people adding a retarded follow up non-group is about as stupid as it
> >> > gets.
> >>
> >> Why does he do that, anyway? The full header, that is.
> >
> > It is his way of showing disrespect, like showing you the bottom of his feet. Bush did a nice job of ducking the shoe that time, didn't he?
>
> On USENET, identities are easily forged. Sometimes ignorant people are
> fooled by that, happens plenty. Posting header information and archiving
> it is a good way to help flush out and keep track of nym-shifting trolls,
> just like the utterly pointless nym-shifting stalker "Edward Hernandez"
> nobody knows and Ricksy supports...

Actually Rick C. wasn't supporting him, but John Doe simplified the situation down to one he thought that he could understand.

John Doe's habit of posting half a page of irrelevant information won't have anything to with any desire to prevent forged posts - he obviously using some particularly primitive posting software which he can't usually be bothered to use properly.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

Edward Hernandez

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Sep 18, 2021, 8:17:49 AMSep 18
to
The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4...@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1...@dont-email.me>:

> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is > CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorectly formatted USENET posting on Sat, 18 Sep 2021 11:21:29 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <si4i3p$45s$1...@dont-email.me>.

Edward Hernandez

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Sep 18, 2021, 8:19:49 AMSep 18