Audiophool product of the week
David L. Jones
http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
Dave.
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> Enjoy...
> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>
> Dave.
>
My music collection is 64Kbps MP3's.
I've tried all kinds of this audio enhancement
with little effect. There are no highs no matter
what I do.
Then my friend turned me on to a very simple solution...
smoke.
Turns out that just a tiny amount of the right kind
of smoke in the listening room makes my system sound
AWESOME. You wouldn't believe the highs I'm getting.
Rheilly Phoull
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> "David L. Jones" <alt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Enjoy...
>> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
> You have to give them 5 stars for creativeness !!
For sure!
The design background is a real hoot (many pages):
http://www.lessloss.com/page.html?id=60
Tim Williams
Tim
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keithr
the music *HAS* to sound better doesn't it.
Nico Coesel
>Enjoy...
>http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
How do they keep finding suckers that buy this stuff.
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krw
What sort of mirrors to you recommend? Perhaps a disco ball?
Jamie
> "David L. Jones" <alt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Enjoy...
>>http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>
>
> How do they keep finding suckers that buy this stuff.
>
AudioPhool business is good!
Jan Panteltje
<alt...@gmail.com> wrote in <HSB%m.11057$0U1....@newsfe16.iad>:
>Enjoy...
>http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>
>Dave.
LOL
BobW
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>
> Use three, of course!
>
> Tim
>
You'll need 5.1 of them for a surround system.
Bob
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> Enjoy...
> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>
> Dave.
>
That is hilarious, and it is so sad.
I used to be in the high-end audio biz. There really are people that will
buy this thing.
But wait ... maybe this is merely Darwin in action. People like that will
spend ALL of their money on useless products and then die of starvation.
Now, I feel happy.
amdx
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> "Tim Williams" <tmor...@charter.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> Use three, of course!
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
> You'll need 5.1 of them for a surround system.
>
> Bob
Mike
Tim Williams
more satisfying about paying a hooker $1000 to listen to your soundsystem,
plus other things.
Tim
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Jamie
Yes, We wouldn't want excessive radiation in the household in fear of
dangerous levels of exposure!
I think 1 googolplex of those exotic particles are the limit!
Vladimir Vassilevsky
BobW wrote:
> "David L. Jones" <alt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:HSB%m.11057$0U1....@newsfe16.iad...
>
>>Enjoy...
>>http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>>
>>Dave.
>>
Wow. I like the idea of emanating dark rays.
> That is hilarious, and it is so sad.
Why it is sad? If those things can make somebody happy, they serve their
purpose.
> I used to be in the high-end audio biz.
Me too. Business as usual: design it very cheap, sell very expensive.
> There really are people that will
> buy this thing.
Not too many, however some folks will buy it for collection.
> But wait ... maybe this is merely Darwin in action. People like that will
> spend ALL of their money on useless products and then die of starvation.
99.9% of activities that people pay money for are useless or even go
against their best interests. So what?
> Now, I feel happy.
Leaving minor technicalities aside, all (well, almost all) business is
about making somebody happy.
> Bob
Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com
Baron
> Rheilly Phoull wrote:
>> "David L. Jones" <alt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:HSB%m.11057$0U1....@newsfe16.iad...
>>> Enjoy...
>>> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>
>> You have to give them 5 stars for creativeness !!
>
> For sure!
> The design background is a real hoot (many pages):
>
> http://www.lessloss.com/page.html?id=60
>
> Dave.
What was it that Barnum said...
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Baron
But the smoke gives a better hit. :-)
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Baron.
Tim Wescott
I don't think it's the kind of smoke that usually comes with mirrors,
except maybe the disco ball.
Tim Wescott
Tim Wescott
> Enjoy...
> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>
> Dave.
I think I'm in the wrong business.
Or maybe not -- shaving's kind of hard when you can't look at yourself in
the mirror.
Spehro Pefhany
Judging by their power cord brochures, they don't understand the
reason for a nickel diffusion barrier layer between Cu and Au. They
think hand polishing will do better (at making it pretty and shiny for
while, I guess).
http://www.lessloss.com/page.html?id=20
But they do hire good photographers.
Best regards,
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>
>"David L. Jones" <alt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:HSB%m.11057$0U1....@newsfe16.iad...
>> Enjoy...
>> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>>
>> Dave.
>>
>
>That is hilarious, and it is so sad.
>
>I used to be in the high-end audio biz. There really are people that will
>buy this thing.
>
>But wait ... maybe this is merely Darwin in action. People like that will
>spend ALL of their money on useless products and then die of starvation.
Nah, they'll charge them on their CC, and let the Fed bail out the
issuing banks after they go bust. Look how much wealth is created!
>Now, I feel happy.
How about now?
pimpom
> "David L. Jones" <alt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Enjoy...
>> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>
> How do they keep finding suckers that buy this stuff.
They hunt up the same suckers who pay $50 for a foot of
silver-plated speaker cable.
Nico Coesel
Same here. A while ago I had a good laugh at tube amplifiers. Turned
out the person I was talking to was a tube amplifier fan. So I told
him tubes have a more pleasant distortion but no distortion at all is
better ofcourse. Someone in that conversation was clearly -not amused-
Jaded Hobo
> Rheilly Phoull wrote:
>> "David L. Jones" <alt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:HSB%m.11057$0U1....@newsfe16.iad...
>>> Enjoy...
>>> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>
>> You have to give them 5 stars for creativeness !!
>
> For sure!
> The design background is a real hoot (many pages):
>
> http://www.lessloss.com/page.html?id=60
>
> Dave.
>
http://www.lessloss.com/page.html?id=59
"In reality we are dealing with different fine shades of distortive
elements, which are truly beyond measurable quantities"
Archimedes' Lever
>David L. Jones wrote:
>> Enjoy...
>> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>>
>> Dave.
>>
>My music collection is 64Kbps MP3's.
>I've tried all kinds of this audio enhancement
>with little effect. There are no highs no matter
>what I do.
>
>Then my friend turned me on to a very simple solution...
>smoke.
>
>Turns out that just a tiny amount of the right kind
>of smoke in the listening room makes my system sound
>AWESOME. You wouldn't believe the highs I'm getting.
Don't tell the authorities or they'll ban it and imprison you for it.
Spehro Pefhany
They eschew the use of "paradium" plating from their Japanese
supplier, though. Nothing about pratinum.
MadManMoon
^
braindead
IFYPFY
GoldIntermetallicEmbrittlement
<spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>Judging by their power cord brochures, they don't understand the
>reason for a nickel diffusion barrier layer between Cu and Au. They
>think hand polishing will do better (at making it pretty and shiny for
>while, I guess).
Electroplating typically follows the surface quality of the surface it
goes onto, up until it exceeds a specific thickness.
You and I both know that the Au is not ever going to get plated on at
that level, so the surface quality it goes onto is important.
This is not an audio thing. This is simply basic industrial science
about electro-plating that has been known for decades. Facts can easily
be found in your handy CRC handbook of chemistry and physics.
IF they actually put a decent Gold layer on, hand polishing is
burnishing. If they don't, and most don't, hand polishing is a slow total
removal process, and it is easy to tell when the plating is so thin that
the color fades.
qrk
<alt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Enjoy...
>http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>
>Dave.
I think I discovered their secret, make everything really heavy.
Jamie
Ah, ready mix cement isn't to expensive!
Tim Williams
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> I think I discovered their secret, make everything really heavy.
Since I'm too cheap for power supply chokes, I stuff my tube amp chassis
with lead instead. ;-)
amdx
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I don't see how you fixed it, I wrote what I wanted it to say.
Mike
MadManMoon
If a household buys 5 of those, they are arguably quite braindead.
If a household even considers buying five of those, the same holds true.
Regardless of what you wrote, or whether it was what you intended to
write. The remark has been "fixed" The fact that it was 'your post'
means not a damned thing.
amdx
I guess you don't get out much, sorry to post
something that is above your level of understanding.
It was sarcasm.
Mike
Tim Williams
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> I guess you don't get out much, sorry to post
> something that is above your level of understanding.
> It was sarcasm.
Hey Mike, it's Dimbulb.
Archimedes' Lever
> I guess you don't get out much, sorry to post
>something that is totally retarded compared to your level of understanding.
> It was retarded.
IFYPFY
Archimedes' Lever
wrote:
I know that he is stupid, but do you really think that he is that
stupid, idiot?
Robert Baer
> I've tried all kinds of this audio enhancement
> with little effect. There are no highs no matter
> what I do.
>
> Then my friend turned me on to a very simple solution...
> smoke.
>
> Turns out that just a tiny amount of the right kind
> of smoke in the listening room makes my system sound
> AWESOME. You wouldn't believe the highs I'm getting.
F Murtz
HiggsField
At $1000 each...
It is an elaborate ruse to get idiots that think they have all the
answers in the audio listening realm, to reduce their wallet thickness to
obtain a bit of snake oil, even though real men know that snake oil does
nothing for audio.
Mr.T
"mike" <spa...@go.com> wrote in message
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> Turns out that just a tiny amount of the right kind
> of smoke in the listening room makes my system sound
> AWESOME. You wouldn't believe the highs I'm getting.
You're right, I wouldn't!
MrT.
Sylvia Else
I got as far as it telling me the bank account details for payment.
So unless the payment would bounce (I'm not about to try!), it looks
real. At least, a real attempt to get money. Whether I would actually
receive a plastic box is another matter.
Sylvia.
amdx
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Mike
Jan Panteltje
<syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote in
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I just remember I have some acoustic miracle bricks.
Those are only 899 $ a piece, so you will be better off.
The bricks need to be used bare, no cement,
and in the correct position in the room.
In the correct configuration they form the 'wall of sound'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_of_Sound
Capt. Cave Man
You must have only spent two seconds on the site, because there is no
plastic in the product. A fact I could see from merely looking at it.
THEN I read the specs.
How did you make it through college with such stupid, constant
presumptions? Hell, primary school, for that matter!
Jamie
I don't think its a joke. A good many scams for years have been
run on AudioPhools!.
I will add how ever on the subject of speaker wire, with runs over 10
feet or more, its highly recommended to not use just any old paired wire
you have hanging around, just because it has a large gauge in it. Things
like power cables and
the such!.. The capacitance is so high in the polyrad types for example,
that long runs from an amp will actually suppress the upper octaves
and exert stress on the amplifier. Its clearly understandable why many
places have PF issues using such products..
Our manufacturing plant happens to make products that fall into that
category. And we showed that to a supposed expert in the audio
electronics field after an argument about using the correct wire, gauges
not part of the subject. And yes, this subject that we argued with also
believed in the use of oxygen free wire as advertised one time as
"Monster Wire"
Jamie
Well, that's not true, it may keep that polypropylene (woofers) in
good shape for years to come! Not to mentioned the foam rubber on the cones!
Come on now, don't knock down a good idea!
I can see it now.
"Genuine speaker snake oil, to keep those cones alive and moving like
new for years to come."
Caution:
"May cause side effects like gonorrhea, pyorrhea, diarrhea,
headache and the occasional odor on hot summer days"
Archimedes' Lever
I used to braid my own low C flat cables.
They also have the advantage of hiding under carpets, etc. very easily
and without much of a surface deformation.
HiggsField
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_v...@charter.net> wrote:
>HiggsField wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:30:46 +1100, F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>David L. Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>>Enjoy...
>>>>http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>>>>
>>>>Dave.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Has any one tried to buy one, it might be an elaborate joke.
>>
>>
>> At $1000 each...
>>
>> It is an elaborate ruse to get idiots that think they have all the
>> answers in the audio listening realm, to reduce their wallet thickness to
>> obtain a bit of snake oil, even though real men know that snake oil does
>> nothing for audio.
> Well, that's not true, it may keep that polypropylene (woofers) in
>good shape for years to come! Not to mentioned the foam rubber on the cones!
>
> Come on now, don't knock down a good idea!
Sure... OK. Jump up onto your street corner soap box. :-)
> I can see it now.
>
> "Genuine speaker snake oil, to keep those cones alive and moving like
> new for years to come."
>
Someone should tell Radio Shack. The crap polymers they selected for
there cone surrounds rots within a couple of months!(almost) I can't
even open the friggin' case to replace them or get the bad ones serviced,
which these days, I am quite sure is prohibitively expensive.
> Caution:
> "May cause side effects like gonorrhea, pyorrhea, diarrhea,
>headache and the occasional odor on hot summer days"
That is snake venom.
Jan Panteltje
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_v...@charter.net> wrote in
<yJ20n.925$YP1...@newsfe15.iad>:
>F Murtz wrote:
>
>> David L. Jones wrote:
>>
>>> Enjoy...
>>> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>>>
>>> Dave.
>>>
>> Has any one tried to buy one, it might be an elaborate joke.
>I don't think its a joke. A good many scams for years have been
>run on AudioPhools!.
>
> I will add how ever on the subject of speaker wire, with runs over 10
>feet or more, its highly recommended to not use just any old paired wire
Are you kiddng us? 10 feet is about 3 meters:-)
>you have hanging around, just because it has a large gauge in it. Things
>like power cables and
>the such!.. The capacitance is so high in the polyrad types for example,
> that long runs from an amp will actually suppress the upper octaves
>and exert stress on the amplifier.
Well, let's see, 3 meter at 1000 pF / meter makes 3 nF.
????????????
Maybe bad designed output stage could have problems,
most have a RC filter with a lot more C parallel to the output though.
>Its clearly understandable why many
>places have PF issues using such products..
> Our manufacturing plant happens to make products that fall into that
>category. And we showed that to a supposed expert in the audio
>electronics field after an argument about using the correct wire, gauges
>not part of the subject. And yes, this subject that we argued with also
>believed in the use of oxygen free wire as advertised one time as
>"Monster Wire"
hehe
No hope for perfect audio, ever LOL.
>
>
>
>
>
John Larkin
I had the opposite problem, namely needing a low-L cable to connect an
NMR gradient driver to a gradient coil. The coil was around 10 uH, and
the existing 10-meter cable more than doubled that. My solution was to
get a piece of #8 silver-plated fine-strand MIL wire, the kind with
very thin teflon insulation, and stick it inside a tubular braid and
then make an outer jacket with shrink tubing. That essentially forms a
very low impedance coax. Lots of C, small L.
About the only thing that speaker wire can do is add too much
resistance or too much inductance. It can't add too much C because Zo
will most always be way above 8 ohms. It's possible for a long run to
have enough L and skin loss to drop a dB or two at 20 KHz, but if
anybody thinks they can hear that they are delusional.
12 gauge Romex makes fine speaker wire.
John
John Larkin
<syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
If you point it at your head, would it damp your
neural-quantum-electrical activity?
John
Don Lancaster
> F Murtz wrote:
>
>
> I will add how ever on the subject of speaker wire, with runs over 10
> feet or more, its highly recommended to not use just any old paired wire
> you have hanging around,
A comparison of two point versus four point barbed wire for speaker
interconnects appears at http://www.tinaja.com/glib/marcia.pdf
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<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On a sunny day (Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:47:52 -0500) it happened Jamie
><jamie_ka1lpa_not_v...@charter.net> wrote in
><yJ20n.925$YP1...@newsfe15.iad>:
>
>>F Murtz wrote:
>>
>>> David L. Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>> Enjoy...
>>>> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>>>>
>>>> Dave.
>>>>
>>> Has any one tried to buy one, it might be an elaborate joke.
>>I don't think its a joke. A good many scams for years have been
>>run on AudioPhools!.
>>
>> I will add how ever on the subject of speaker wire, with runs over 10
>>feet or more, its highly recommended to not use just any old paired wire
>
>Are you kiddng us? 10 feet is about 3 meters:-)
>
>>you have hanging around, just because it has a large gauge in it. Things
>>like power cables and
>>the such!.. The capacitance is so high in the polyrad types for example,
>> that long runs from an amp will actually suppress the upper octaves
>>and exert stress on the amplifier.
>
>Well, let's see, 3 meter at 1000 pF / meter makes 3 nF.
30 pF per meter is more realistic.
If the cable Zo is higher than the load impedance, the usual case,
longer cables add L faster than they add C.
John
pimpom
>
> About the only thing that speaker wire can do is add too much
> resistance or too much inductance. It can't add too much C
> because Zo
> will most always be way above 8 ohms. It's possible for a long
> run to
> have enough L and skin loss to drop a dB or two at 20 KHz, but
> if
> anybody thinks they can hear that they are delusional.
>
You're talking about people who tell themselves that they can
hear 0.001% THD and the difference between 200kHz and 300kHz
roll-offs. :)
Archimedes' Lever
>Jamie wrote:
>> F Murtz wrote:
>>
>>
>> I will add how ever on the subject of speaker wire, with runs over 10
>> feet or more, its highly recommended to not use just any old paired wire
>> you have hanging around,
>
>
>A comparison of two point versus four point barbed wire for speaker
>interconnects appears at http://www.tinaja.com/glib/marcia.pdf
Somehow, I have a hard time believing that the sum of your parts are
equal to a number that is greater than the whole.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
Play some Mozart woodwind ensemble that includes a French horn and I'm
sure I can detect >= 0.003%... been there, done that, but then I was
the clarinetist in the group ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Archimedes' Lever
wrote:
>John Larkin wrote:
Yes. Both "delusional", and "deluded" (Quaaludes) comes to mind. :-)
Archimedes' Lever
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote:
>On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 00:48:53 +0530, "pimpom" <pim...@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>John Larkin wrote:
>>>
>>> About the only thing that speaker wire can do is add too much
>>> resistance or too much inductance. It can't add too much C
>>> because Zo
>>> will most always be way above 8 ohms. It's possible for a long
>>> run to
>>> have enough L and skin loss to drop a dB or two at 20 KHz, but
>>> if
>>> anybody thinks they can hear that they are delusional.
>>>
>>
>>You're talking about people who tell themselves that they can
>>hear 0.001% THD and the difference between 200kHz and 300kHz
>>roll-offs. :)
>>
>
>Play some Mozart woodwind ensemble that includes a French horn and I'm
>sure I can detect >= 0.003%... been there, done that, but then I was
>the clarinetist in the group ;-)
>
Bullshit. You are at least an order of magnitude off.
How 'bout you retards put up a list of gear that even meets your
claimed specs. 0.001% OR 0.003%. It is a very short list, and an even
shorter list of those that actually meet their claims when all is told
(or listened to).
Most, if not nearly all don't even come close.
Delusional twits distorting the minds of all that see their utter
horseshit.
krw
So does 14ga or 16ga zip cord. Goes around the terminals nicely too.
Jamie
The ployrad cable I was talking about has ~ 0.08 uf/ft
250' of that was used in a test.
At 5 khz, that is ~ Xc of 1.6.
The amp that was in use, rated at 100 watts RMS @ 8 ohms..
Checking the figures, I think it can be seen where the problem
is..
Speaker wire on the other hand, uses material that does not
exhibit this high C/ft., not just for the material but the physical
construction of twin lead reduces the effect.
Archimedes' Lever
Regular old #10 or #12 Ga El Cheapo speaker wire from the swap meet
works better, and it is marked, so you do not have to go hunting for
little ridges on the wire sheathing.
A pair of #12 TFE SPC wires twisted together loosely from work works
pretty damned good too. Better, in fact.
Don't worry, K-Tard. I am addressing the thread, not you, so your
stupidity remains intact.
krw
<OneBi...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
Figures you'd be so stupid you'd have to go "hunting" for the ridges.
Zip cord is *cheap* and looks like the lamps cord.
> A pair of #12 TFE SPC wires twisted together loosely from work works
>pretty damned good too. Better, in fact.
>
> Don't worry, K-Tard. I am addressing the thread, not you, so your
>stupidity remains intact.
You're batting average is still 0, AlwaysWrong.
VWWall
> Jamie wrote:
>> F Murtz wrote:
>>
>>
>> I will add how ever on the subject of speaker wire, with runs over 10
>> feet or more, its highly recommended to not use just any old paired
>> wire you have hanging around,
>
>
> A comparison of two point versus four point barbed wire for speaker
> interconnects appears at http://www.tinaja.com/glib/marcia.pdf
>
>
after you published it...about eight years ago now! Some things never
change!
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Jan Panteltje
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_v...@charter.net> wrote in
<kh70n.509$V_3...@newsfe09.iad>:
OK, so that is extreme capacitance.
I just use power mains leads for the speakers...
Less then 1000 pF / meter I am sure.
I think I have never seen a cable of 80 nF / foot :-)
Mr.T
"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBi...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
> I used to braid my own low C flat cables.
And do you use low C speakers too?
I'm wondering just how low you think the cable capacitance needs to be for a
typical 8 ohm, or less, speaker system?
Easy enough to measure the signal at the speaker terminals in any case to
prove if there really is a problem.
MrT.
Mr.T
"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBi...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
> >Play some Mozart woodwind ensemble that includes a French horn and I'm
> >sure I can detect >= 0.003%... been there, done that, but then I was
> >the clarinetist in the group ;-)
> >
> Bullshit. You are at least an order of magnitude off.
You mean two or three.
But he did say >=0.003%, not HOW MUCH greater than! :-) :-)
> How 'bout you retards put up a list of gear that even meets your
> claimed specs. 0.001% OR 0.003%. It is a very short list, and an even
> shorter list of those that actually meet their claims when all is told
> (or listened to).
Forget the equipment (lot's of electronics can actually do better than that
these days), name one recording that can meet that spec?
Or even a speaker for that matter.
MrT.
Mr.T
"Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_v...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> The ployrad cable I was talking about has ~ 0.08 uf/ft
> 250' of that was used in a test.
> At 5 khz, that is ~ Xc of 1.6.
> The amp that was in use, rated at 100 watts RMS @ 8 ohms..
> Checking the figures, I think it can be seen where the problem
> is..
Yep, who uses 250' speaker cables?
MrT.
Jamie
When you need to run some wire from pole to pole in a recreation area
that has a baseball field in it.
Jim Thompson
I've built amplifiers that tested at 0.003% (hp Audio Distortion
Analyzer), which is why I used that number. I _could_ hear that
distortion. However that _was_ >20 years ago ;-)
Playing in an orchestra makes you hyper sensitive to distortion,
because you know what it _should_ sound like.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
connect to anything, nor does it have a power source (maybe I missed
something?).
If so, no compliance testing (FCC, UL, etc.) needs to be done. No false
claims will be made (to anyone in an official capacity) of performance.
On a related note: My auto sig generator pulled this one up on its own.
Coincidence? I think not.
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Wait a minute, he does!
Sylvia Else
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:54:51 +1100, Sylvia Else
> <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>
>>> David L. Jones wrote:
>>>> Enjoy...
>>>> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>>>>
>>>> Dave.
>>>>
>>> Has any one tried to buy one, it might be an elaborate joke.
>>
>> So unless the payment would bounce (I'm not about to try!), it looks
>> real. At least, a real attempt to get money. Whether I would actually
>> receive a plastic box is another matter.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
>
> plastic in the product. A fact I could see from merely looking at it.
> THEN I read the specs.
From looking at it? It may not even be a real object.
And you believe what you read on that site?
Sylvia.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
[snip]
>
> "Genuine speaker snake oil, to keep those cones alive and moving like
> new for years to come."
That's it!! Speaker oil!
Off to the patent office. Quickly.
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Archimedes' Lever
LOWER C than a parallel or twisted pair. Also a lower L.
Never said that there was a problem. Note where one of the main
features I liked about them is their flat construction.
"Low C speakers"? WAKE UP!
Archimedes' Lever
Exacto-fuckin-mundo!
Archimedes' Lever
Outdoor events, maybe?
Much better to pipe the signal (wirelessly even) and amplify locally to
the transducer.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:54:51 +1100, Sylvia Else
> <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>
> >F Murtz wrote:
> >> David L. Jones wrote:
> >>> Enjoy...
> >>> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
> >>>
> >>> Dave.
> >>>
> >> Has any one tried to buy one, it might be an elaborate joke.
> >
> >I got as far as it telling me the bank account details for payment.
> >
> >So unless the payment would bounce (I'm not about to try!), it looks
> >real. At least, a real attempt to get money. Whether I would actually
> >receive a plastic box is another matter.
> >
> >Sylvia.
>
> You must have only spent two seconds on the site, because there is no
> plastic in the product. A fact I could see from merely looking at it.
> THEN I read the specs.
>
> presumptions? Hell, primary school, for that matter!
So, how many did you order?
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3 card monte.
Archimedes' Lever
Pipe the signal and use an in speaker amplification paradigm.
Distortion? Use an HF carrier to put it onto. Strip out the
undistorted original signal at the destination, then amplify it local to
the speaker itself.
John Larkin
'Ludes were great drugs. It was like the best drunk you ever had, but
no hangover. In fact, you felt great the next day, having slept so
well. Pity they were so inclined to abuse.
John
Archimedes' Lever
<Pa...@Hovnanian.com> wrote:
>"Capt. Cave Man" wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:54:51 +1100, Sylvia Else
>> <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>>
>> >F Murtz wrote:
>> >> David L. Jones wrote:
>> >>> Enjoy...
>> >>> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>> >>>
>> >>> Dave.
>> >>>
>> >> Has any one tried to buy one, it might be an elaborate joke.
>> >
>> >I got as far as it telling me the bank account details for payment.
>> >
>> >So unless the payment would bounce (I'm not about to try!), it looks
>> >real. At least, a real attempt to get money. Whether I would actually
>> >receive a plastic box is another matter.
>> >
>> >Sylvia.
>>
>> You must have only spent two seconds on the site, because there is no
>> plastic in the product. A fact I could see from merely looking at it.
>> THEN I read the specs.
>>
>> How did you make it through college with such stupid, constant
>> presumptions? Hell, primary school, for that matter!
>
>So, how many did you order?
My $500 each speakers (Polk), and my $250 100W x 7 A/V Receiver, and my
BD and HD DVD sources, and my Beatles Love DVD, etc., etc., all play just
fine without ANY snake oil, thank you.
Why would any idiot pay $1000 for a 100W Onkyo (shit brand), when
Pioneer has perfected bringing consumers great, high quality audio and
video gear at a decent price, for decades?
Then, why would any idiot pay $3000 for three of these chunks of snake
oil.
Are these the same retarded dopes that have to have 22" rims one their
car and 12,000 mile shit performance tires at $600 each for the rims, and
$500 each for the tires?
I think that they are even more retarded than the dopey fucks that
thought that rims extending outside the wheel well looked nice... oh
wait! They ARE the same dopey fucks!
John Larkin
That's astonishing. The Er of the insulation must be in the thousands.
Unless it's some sort of flat foil construction.
John
Archimedes' Lever
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote:
>
>I've built amplifiers that tested at 0.003% (hp Audio Distortion
>Analyzer),
What utter horseshit.
I blame operator error. There is no way that the equipment was that far
off cal.
This Thompson guy is an idiot. He (you, idiot) probably idealized the
test, and didn't even have audio drivers in the loop.
Capt. Cave Man
<syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>Capt. Cave Man wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:54:51 +1100, Sylvia Else
>> <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>>
>>> F Murtz wrote:
>>>> David L. Jones wrote:
>>>>> Enjoy...
>>>>> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave.
>>>>>
>>>> Has any one tried to buy one, it might be an elaborate joke.
>>> I got as far as it telling me the bank account details for payment.
>>>
>>> So unless the payment would bounce (I'm not about to try!), it looks
>>> real. At least, a real attempt to get money. Whether I would actually
>>> receive a plastic box is another matter.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>>
>> You must have only spent two seconds on the site, because there is no
>> plastic in the product. A fact I could see from merely looking at it.
>> THEN I read the specs.
>
> From looking at it? It may not even be a real object.
Yeah, sure. It was done with a 3-d rendering package.
READ the specs, ditz!
>
>And you believe what you read on that site?
>
Christ! Another wiki-retard!
You are worthless.
I never said anything about believing anything.
If they are taking money, there has to be a physical product that they
are selling. Not that someone that knows nothing about motion could
grasp that.
Tim Williams
Tim
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"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
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Don Lancaster
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:45:09 -0700, Don Lancaster <d...@tinaja.com> wrote:
>
>> Jamie wrote:
>>> F Murtz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> feet or more, its highly recommended to not use just any old paired wire
>>
>> A comparison of two point versus four point barbed wire for speaker
>> interconnects appears at http://www.tinaja.com/glib/marcia.pdf
>
>
> equal to a number that is greater than the whole.
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More at
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> Jamie wrote:
> [snip]
>> "Genuine speaker snake oil, to keep those cones alive and moving like
>> new for years to come."
>
> That's it!! Speaker oil!
>
> Off to the patent office. Quickly.
>
Actually, at least some speakers use ferrofluids in their air gaps..
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
[snip]
>
> If they are taking money, there has to be a physical product that they
> are selling. Not that someone that knows nothing about motion could
> grasp that.
You're really new to the Internet, aren't you?
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Archimedes' Lever
>Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
>> Jamie wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> "Genuine speaker snake oil, to keep those cones alive and moving like
>>> new for years to come."
>>
>> That's it!! Speaker oil!
>>
>> Off to the patent office. Quickly.
>>
>
>
>Actually, at least some speakers use ferrofluids in their air gaps..
Doesn't that high temp plastic they make spatulas out of good for like
50 years without degradation?
They should make the surround gaskets out of it. At least for the
woofers.
No need for speaker oil!
amdx
"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBi...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
In my area there are businesses that have these 22" rims for RENT! So the
retarded dopes don't have to pay $600 for the rims. The rent them for a
couple years and pay $800.
Mike
Archimedes' Lever
And then, they do not get to keep them!
They don't know what the word 'equity' means either.
Martin Brown
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:58:49 -0500, Jamie
> <jamie_ka1lpa_not_v...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:15:32 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On a sunny day (Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:47:52 -0500) it happened Jamie
>>>> <jamie_ka1lpa_not_v...@charter.net> wrote in
>>>> <yJ20n.925$YP1...@newsfe15.iad>:
>>>>
>>>>> feet or more, its highly recommended to not use just any old paired wire
>>>> Are you kiddng us? 10 feet is about 3 meters:-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> you have hanging around, just because it has a large gauge in it. Things
>>>>> like power cables and
>>>>> the such!.. The capacitance is so high in the polyrad types for example,
>>>>> that long runs from an amp will actually suppress the upper octaves
>>>>> and exert stress on the amplifier.
>>>> Well, let's see, 3 meter at 1000 pF / meter makes 3 nF.
>>>
>>> 30 pF per meter is more realistic.
I just measured some of mine at about 100 pF/metre for twin core with
something like 5mm^2 of copper in fine stranded conductors. Provided the
wire is well up to the peak current required it will work fine.
It is a very bad idea to wire up hifi with grotty twincore bell wire.
That really is not up to the current carrying capacity.
>>> If the cable Zo is higher than the load impedance, the usual case,
>>> longer cables add L faster than they add C.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>> The ployrad cable I was talking about has ~ 0.08 uf/ft
>
> That's astonishing. The Er of the insulation must be in the thousands.
> Unless it's some sort of flat foil construction.
There are some completely nutty audiofool cables around that present a
rather too large capacitive load to amplifiers and can make certain
unlucky combinations of amp and load unstable!
Regards,
Martin Brown
John Fields
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>There are some completely nutty audiofool cables around that present a
>rather too large capacitive load to amplifiers and can make certain
>unlucky combinations of amp and load unstable!
---
Cite an example, please?
JF
Martin Brown
You could always try out the following cable and a suitably flighty amp.
http://www.goertzaudio.com/mi.html
They vary from 1.5-5 nF/m which is enough to send some amplifiers into
wild oscillation in the 5-10MHz region for typical cable lengths. It was
more of a problem when insane amplifier bandwidth was all the rage.
Regards,
Martin Brown
John Fields
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>John Fields wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:15:03 +0000, Martin Brown
>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> There are some completely nutty audiofool cables around that present a
>>> rather too large capacitive load to amplifiers and can make certain
>>> unlucky combinations of amp and load unstable!
>>
>> ---
>> Cite an example, please?
>>
>> JF
>
>You could always try out the following cable and a suitably flighty amp.
>
>http://www.goertzaudio.com/mi.html
>
>They vary from 1.5-5 nF/m which is enough to send some amplifiers into
>wild oscillation in the 5-10MHz region for typical cable lengths.
---
Can you cite which "suitably flighty" amplifiers and supply some
supporting documentation?
---
>It was
>more of a problem when insane amplifier bandwidth was all the rage.
>
>Regards,
>Martin Brown
JF
Jan Panteltje
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in <nlr0n.1003$rH7...@newsfe19.iad>:
It think for that price you can put an amplifier locally next to each speaker,
and use a normal 600 Ohm audio cable correctly terminated, or optical.
Archimedes' Lever
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
From what I could tell...
He wants an example of an unstable combination that was mentioned.