Measuring output impedance in LTSpice
Bitrex
I'm wondering what method folks here use to measure amplifier output
impedance in LTSpice? One method I recall reading about is, IIRC,
hanging a resistor off the output and stepping it, looking for the
closed loop gain*input voltage*output voltage divider halfway point, but
that seems kind of kludgey. Any other methods? Thanks.
Jim Thompson
Several ways:
(1) Transient load the output (IPULSE) and observe voltage. This will
show output "impedance" and exhibit any ringing due to poor
compensation.
(2) Do a .AC analysis using an AC current source. You can get the
real and imaginary parts. Caution: this is "small-signal" linearized
at the operating point.
I tend to do both, plus various loop-gain and forward transient
examinations.
...Jim Thompson
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Andrew Holme
"Bitrex" <bit...@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
wrote:
>
You don't need to measure at the half-way point. You can also drive the
output with a source and measure the I/V across a resistor (any value).
Doesn't LTSpice have an AC mode?
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>
>"Bitrex" <bit...@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:lrudnWovwLfkwQrQ...@earthlink.com...
>>
>> I'm wondering what method folks here use to measure amplifier output
>> impedance in LTSpice? One method I recall reading about is, IIRC, hanging
>> a resistor off the output and stepping it, looking for the closed loop
>> gain*input voltage*output voltage divider halfway point, but that seems
>> kind of kludgey. Any other methods? Thanks.
As Phil Hobbs pointed out, if you ATTACH your LTspice .asc, it can be
launched directly from most readers.
When you put the .asc into the body of the message you have to copy
and paste to create a file, then launch LTspice, slo-o-o-o-ow :-(
Bitrex
> "Bitrex"<bit...@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:lrudnWovwLfkwQrQ...@earthlink.com...
>>
>> I'm wondering what method folks here use to measure amplifier output
>> impedance in LTSpice? One method I recall reading about is, IIRC, hanging
>> a resistor off the output and stepping it, looking for the closed loop
>> gain*input voltage*output voltage divider halfway point, but that seems
>> kind of kludgey. Any other methods? Thanks.
>
>
>
Thank you, that's much clearer. Suck current, measure voltage. I kept
thinking about applying a voltage and measuring current, the way one
might do it in circuit analysis, but I don't think that will work
properly with SPICE.
Joerg
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:45:00 +0100, "Andrew Holme" <a...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Bitrex" <bit...@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:lrudnWovwLfkwQrQ...@earthlink.com...
>>> I'm wondering what method folks here use to measure amplifier output
>>> impedance in LTSpice? One method I recall reading about is, IIRC, hanging
>>> a resistor off the output and stepping it, looking for the closed loop
>>> gain*input voltage*output voltage divider halfway point, but that seems
>>> kind of kludgey. Any other methods? Thanks.
>
> As Phil Hobbs pointed out, if you ATTACH your LTspice .asc, it can be
> launched directly from most readers.
>
> When you put the .asc into the body of the message you have to copy
> and paste to create a file, then launch LTspice, slo-o-o-o-ow :-(
>
Minor problem: The vast majority of participants in NGs no longer has
access to news servers that support binaries. Thus no attachments. Slow?
C'mon, a bit spoiled? Remember the days when one had to wait for the
arrival of the 11:00am flight and the tapes to be unloaded?
Bitrex: The way you describe it is how it's usually done, almost.
Sometimes a load or current is modulated to see how things are at higher
frequencies. It is also customary to check switch-mode converters for
load change behavior via pulsed loads.
[...]
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
Joerg
It does work if you apply the voltage via a resistor. IOW try to
"wiggle" the output.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:45:00 +0100, "Andrew Holme" <a...@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Bitrex" <bit...@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:lrudnWovwLfkwQrQ...@earthlink.com...
>>>> I'm wondering what method folks here use to measure amplifier output
>>>> impedance in LTSpice? One method I recall reading about is, IIRC, hanging
>>>> a resistor off the output and stepping it, looking for the closed loop
>>>> gain*input voltage*output voltage divider halfway point, but that seems
>>>> kind of kludgey. Any other methods? Thanks.
>>
>> As Phil Hobbs pointed out, if you ATTACH your LTspice .asc, it can be
>> launched directly from most readers.
>>
>> When you put the .asc into the body of the message you have to copy
>> and paste to create a file, then launch LTspice, slo-o-o-o-ow :-(
>>
>
>Minor problem: The vast majority of participants in NGs no longer has
>access to news servers that support binaries. Thus no attachments.
Are text attachments forbidden?
>Slow?
Certainly ;-)
>C'mon, a bit spoiled? Remember the days when one had to wait for the
>arrival of the 11:00am flight and the tapes to be unloaded?
Ha! I used to walk mailing tubes to the AA counter and the pilot
would carry it to San Jose ;-)
Back when I could drive up to the curb, leave my car and walk to the
counter maybe 30' away ;-)
TSA has made things so much better :-(
>
>Bitrex: The way you describe it is how it's usually done, almost.
>Sometimes a load or current is modulated to see how things are at higher
>frequencies. It is also customary to check switch-mode converters for
>load change behavior via pulsed loads.
>
>[...]
Phil Hobbs
No binaries, but ASCII attachments seem to work fine, though. For
instance, here's a class-B driver for a Peltier cooler.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
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Jim Thompson
Yup! Thanks for discovering that, Phil!
Now, all we need to do is train the naysayers ;-)
Joerg
> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:45:23 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:45:00 +0100, "Andrew Holme" <a...@nospam.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Bitrex" <bit...@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:lrudnWovwLfkwQrQ...@earthlink.com...
>>>>> I'm wondering what method folks here use to measure amplifier output
>>>>> impedance in LTSpice? One method I recall reading about is, IIRC, hanging
>>>>> a resistor off the output and stepping it, looking for the closed loop
>>>>> gain*input voltage*output voltage divider halfway point, but that seems
>>>>> kind of kludgey. Any other methods? Thanks.
>>> As Phil Hobbs pointed out, if you ATTACH your LTspice .asc, it can be
>>> launched directly from most readers.
>>>
>>> When you put the .asc into the body of the message you have to copy
>>> and paste to create a file, then launch LTspice, slo-o-o-o-ow :-(
>>>
>> Minor problem: The vast majority of participants in NGs no longer has
>> access to news servers that support binaries. Thus no attachments.
>
> Are text attachments forbidden?
>
Yup. Any and all attachments. I've asked the guys at my (paid) server if
they couldn't open 100k for attachments since they allow max 100k in the
message body. The answer was a resounding "no way". Wouldn't make much
sense anyhow, it doesn't do any good if only 1% of the others can read it.
>> Slow?
>
> Certainly ;-)
>
>> C'mon, a bit spoiled? Remember the days when one had to wait for the
>> arrival of the 11:00am flight and the tapes to be unloaded?
>
> Ha! I used to walk mailing tubes to the AA counter and the pilot
> would carry it to San Jose ;-)
>
In Europe we had a really nice system, not sure if still available: We
had the schedules of all those Intercity fast trains hanging on an
office wall. If something urgent needed to get to Munich we'd sprint to
the station, hand it over along with some cash, goes onto train. Called
the guy in Munich to be at their station at around 4:00pm. Even with air
freight today that's impossible unless you charter a plane.
> Back when I could drive up to the curb, leave my car and walk to the
> counter maybe 30' away ;-)
>
> TSA has made things so much better :-(
>
Nowadays many biz folks actually drive if the destination is within 300
miles. Air travel has lost the advantage over short hauls because of the
security wait.
Joerg
Well, shazam! It sure worked. Beats me why because the folks at the news
server said it wouldn't. And in the past it hadn't. Probably the Hobbs
coefficient was too low on all the others :-)
Jon Kirwan
<pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>No binaries, but ASCII attachments seem to work fine, though. For
>instance, here's a class-B driver for a Peltier cooler.
And here it is autogenerated to ascii:
>: -9V
>: |
>: | -7V
>: | |
>: --- ---
>: - V2 - V1
>: --- -9 --- -7
>: - -
>: | |
>: | |
>: gnd gnd
>:
>: R9
>: ,--------------------/\/\-,---,
>: R13 | 100k | |
>: ,-----------/\/\--, | | |
>: | 300k | ,--------+-------, | |
>: --- | | | | | R10 | |
>: - V5 | | | gnd ,-------/\/\-' |
>: --- -5 R12 | | | V| | 100k || |
>: - ,-/\/\--+ | | o| | ,-----||-|
>: | | 150k | |/c | u| c\| | || |
>: | | | ,-, ,-----| | ZTX104t| |---+ ,-+------------,
>: gnd gnd | | | | |>e | -| e<| | | | | \
>: | |+nd | | | | | | gn+| | / R8
>: | |\ U1 | | | | | | U2 /| | \ 10k
>: ,+--|-\ | R2 | | R1Vout+R4 | | R3 | /-|--' /
>: .param RL=5 Vin R6 | | >+-+/\/\---+-++/\/\-+-/\/\+-+-/\/\+--< | |
>: .step param RL 1 20 2 +-/\/\----+------|+/ | |75 | |5 | {RL} | 75 | \+|-----------+
>: | 100k | | |/ L| | | | | | LT| \| |
>: | | | |- | | | | | | | -| \
>: --- | | | ---|C1 |<e Q| | Q4 e>| | | / R7
>: - V3 \ | | ---'-----| D| |D45H11 |---' | \ 20k
>: --- -2.5 / R| | | |\c | | c/| | /
>: - \ 1| | | | | | -9V | | |
>: | / | '------------+----------------+----------' -7V
>: | | | | R11 | |
>: | | '-------+-----/\/\---' |
>: gnd | 100k |
>: '-----------------------------'
>: .dc V3 -5 0 .01
Not entirely pretty, but the ASCII generator does what it can
understand to do.
Jon
Jim Thompson
wrote:
So you subscribe to a weenie server ?:-) Giganews works just ducky
with Hobb's recent test post to s.e.d
Your weenie server support people probably don't even know what you
are talking about :-)
>
>
>>> Slow?
>>
>> Certainly ;-)
>>
>>> C'mon, a bit spoiled? Remember the days when one had to wait for the
>>> arrival of the 11:00am flight and the tapes to be unloaded?
>>
>> Ha! I used to walk mailing tubes to the AA counter and the pilot
>> would carry it to San Jose ;-)
>>
>
>In Europe we had a really nice system, not sure if still available: We
>had the schedules of all those Intercity fast trains hanging on an
>office wall. If something urgent needed to get to Munich we'd sprint to
>the station, hand it over along with some cash, goes onto train. Called
>the guy in Munich to be at their station at around 4:00pm. Even with air
>freight today that's impossible unless you charter a plane.
>
>
>> Back when I could drive up to the curb, leave my car and walk to the
>> counter maybe 30' away ;-)
>>
>> TSA has made things so much better :-(
>>
>
>Nowadays many biz folks actually drive if the destination is within 300
>miles. Air travel has lost the advantage over short hauls because of the
>security wait.
>
>[...]
I do that. My current driving range to the west is Californica from
Mexico to Santa Barbara, east to Albuquerque and San Antonio / Austin
/ Dallas.
Maybe further if the stay is a week or longer.
Jim Thompson
And it's so-o-o-o readable ;-)
Joerg
No, it provided the attachment. I know for sure that a year ago it
didn't because we tried it. Question is, how many other here in this
exquisite club of soldering iron wielders are able to read the attachment?
[...]
>>> Back when I could drive up to the curb, leave my car and walk to the
>>> counter maybe 30' away ;-)
>>>
>>> TSA has made things so much better :-(
>>>
>> Nowadays many biz folks actually drive if the destination is within 300
>> miles. Air travel has lost the advantage over short hauls because of the
>> security wait.
>>
>> [...]
>
> I do that. My current driving range to the west is Californica from
> Mexico to Santa Barbara, east to Albuquerque and San Antonio / Austin
> / Dallas.
>
> Maybe further if the stay is a week or longer.
>
I only drive such distances when there is no other reasonable
connection. Many destinations north of here can be a problem, where you
have no real choice other than taking the Interstate.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
Huh? Are you in there? LTspice is FREE. Who would it be that can't
read it?
>
>[...]
>
>>>> Back when I could drive up to the curb, leave my car and walk to the
>>>> counter maybe 30' away ;-)
>>>>
>>>> TSA has made things so much better :-(
>>>>
>>> Nowadays many biz folks actually drive if the destination is within 300
>>> miles. Air travel has lost the advantage over short hauls because of the
>>> security wait.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>
>> I do that. My current driving range to the west is Californica from
>> Mexico to Santa Barbara, east to Albuquerque and San Antonio / Austin
>> / Dallas.
>>
>> Maybe further if the stay is a week or longer.
>>
>
>I only drive such distances when there is no other reasonable
>connection. Many destinations north of here can be a problem, where you
>have no real choice other than taking the Interstate.
Anything other than snow and rain and uber-liberals north of you ?:-)
Phil Hobbs
> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:35:39 -0400, Phil Hobbs
> <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>
>> No binaries, but ASCII attachments seem to work fine, though. For
>> instance, here's a class-B driver for a Peltier cooler.
>
> And here it is autogenerated to ascii:
>
>
> Not entirely pretty, but the ASCII generator does what it can
> understand to do.
>
> Jon
The orginal wasn't that pretty either.
Joerg
In the old days, about a year ago, such attachments were visible as such
but no contents were transmitted. Now LTSpice has a minor problem
running a simulation off of hot air. Although Mike Engelhardt could take
an internship with a few politician's offices, they'll show him how
that's done :-)
[...]
> Anything other than snow and rain and uber-liberals north of you ?:-)
>
Once you get to about 300 miles from here it is actually very pretty
country. Like this:
http://www.shastalake.com/images/shasta-lake-6-6-2006.jpg
Joerg
> Jon Kirwan wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:35:39 -0400, Phil Hobbs
>> <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>
>>> No binaries, but ASCII attachments seem to work fine, though. For
>>> instance, here's a class-B driver for a Peltier cooler.
>>
>> And here it is autogenerated to ascii:
>>
> <snip ugly schematic>
>>
>> Not entirely pretty, but the ASCII generator does what it can
>> understand to do.
>>
>> Jon
>
> The orginal wasn't that pretty either.
>
Flux splatters on there, like Jan's? :-)
Jim Thompson
wrote:
Joerg, You need to temper your comments with the realization that not
all of us are as cheapskate as you... who is your provider/what is
your reader ?:-)
>
>> Anything other than snow and rain and uber-liberals north of you ?:-)
>>
>
>Once you get to about 300 miles from here it is actually very pretty
>country. Like this:
>
>http://www.shastalake.com/images/shasta-lake-6-6-2006.jpg
Visible from here (~40 miles east, I was over there on Wednesday
judging a Junior High School Science Fair)...
http://www.arizona-leisure.com/superstition-mountain.html
With a little bit of snow topping right now.
Grant
>On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:45:23 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:45:00 +0100, "Andrew Holme" <a...@nospam.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Bitrex" <bit...@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:lrudnWovwLfkwQrQ...@earthlink.com...
>>>>> I'm wondering what method folks here use to measure amplifier output
>>>>> impedance in LTSpice? One method I recall reading about is, IIRC, hanging
>>>>> a resistor off the output and stepping it, looking for the closed loop
>>>>> gain*input voltage*output voltage divider halfway point, but that seems
>>>>> kind of kludgey. Any other methods? Thanks.
>>>
>>> As Phil Hobbs pointed out, if you ATTACH your LTspice .asc, it can be
>>> launched directly from most readers.
>>>
>>> When you put the .asc into the body of the message you have to copy
>>> and paste to create a file, then launch LTspice, slo-o-o-o-ow :-(
>>>
>>
>>Minor problem: The vast majority of participants in NGs no longer has
>>access to news servers that support binaries. Thus no attachments.
>
>Are text attachments forbidden?
Inline text attachment unencoded is still a copy/paste exercise, hardly
painful, from my PoV as I sometimes do that from windows newsreader to
a unix file.
>
>>Slow?
>
>Certainly ;-)
Nah...
It's the people the retype the things and make copy mistakes! :o)
Grant.
Joerg
Provider is news.individual.de and reader is Thunderbird. As I said, now
it works. To my surprise.
>>> Anything other than snow and rain and uber-liberals north of you ?:-)
>>>
>> Once you get to about 300 miles from here it is actually very pretty
>> country. Like this:
>>
>> http://www.shastalake.com/images/shasta-lake-6-6-2006.jpg
>
> Visible from here (~40 miles east, I was over there on Wednesday
> judging a Junior High School Science Fair)...
>
> http://www.arizona-leisure.com/superstition-mountain.html
>
> With a little bit of snow topping right now.
>
I like the Superstition Mountains. A friend showed us Indian ruins in
there. But you have to hike, it's well past where 4WD can go or is
allowed to go. Might be a good thing, so that this part of history isn't
being eroded by too many visitors.
Grant
Can that be done?
And where's the command gone for adding a plaintext (ascii) attachment
in Agent? Used to be easy to find, 'cos that's how I sent kernel patches.
Grant.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Jim Thompson
>On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:41:52 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:35:39 -0400, Phil Hobbs
>><pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>
[snip]
>>>
>>>No binaries, but ASCII attachments seem to work fine, though. For
>>>instance, here's a class-B driver for a Peltier cooler.
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>
>>>Phil Hobbs
>>
>>Yup! Thanks for discovering that, Phil!
>>
>>Now, all we need to do is train the naysayers ;-)
>
>Can that be done?
>
>And where's the command gone for adding a plaintext (ascii) attachment
>in Agent? Used to be easy to find, 'cos that's how I sent kernel patches.
>
>Grant.
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
There's an "Attachments" button (just below "Persona") in the compose
reply window.
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 07:00:45 +1000, Grant <o...@grrr.id.au> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:41:52 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:35:39 -0400, Phil Hobbs
>>><pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>
>[snip]
>>>>
>>>>No binaries, but ASCII attachments seem to work fine, though. For
>>>>instance, here's a class-B driver for a Peltier cooler.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers
>>>>
>>>>Phil Hobbs
>>>
>>>Yup! Thanks for discovering that, Phil!
>>>
>>>Now, all we need to do is train the naysayers ;-)
>>
>>Can that be done?
>>
>>And where's the command gone for adding a plaintext (ascii) attachment
>>in Agent? Used to be easy to find, 'cos that's how I sent kernel patches.
>>
>>Grant.
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>
>There's an "Attachments" button (just below "Persona") in the compose
>reply window.
You can also drag the file and drop it on the reply window. It'll either add
it as an attachment or as inline text.
Michael A. Terrell
Joerg wrote:
>
> Well, shazam! It sure worked. Beats me why because the folks at the news
> server said it wouldn't. And in the past it hadn't. Probably the Hobbs
> coefficient was too low on all the others :-)
Try posting one before you start the party. Some servers will carry
messages with attachments, but not let you post them.
--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.
Jan Panteltje
<inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in <8vpdg...@mid.individual.net>:
>Yup. Any and all attachments. I've asked the guys at my (paid) server if
>they couldn't open 100k for attachments since they allow max 100k in the
>message body. The answer was a resounding "no way". Wouldn't make much
>sense anyhow, it doesn't do any good if only 1% of the others can read it.
Any kid over 5 years old here has its own website with at least 1 GB space,
and posts his stuff there.
>In Europe we had a really nice system, not sure if still available: We
>had the schedules of all those Intercity fast trains hanging on an
>office wall. If something urgent needed to get to Munich we'd sprint to
>the station, hand it over along with some cash, goes onto train. Called
>the guy in Munich to be at their station at around 4:00pm. Even with air
>freight today that's impossible unless you charter a plane.
We just beam it there, oooh sorry I see you are still in 2011.
Grant
>On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 07:00:45 +1000, Grant <o...@grrr.id.au> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:41:52 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:35:39 -0400, Phil Hobbs
>>><pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>
>[snip]
>>>>
>>>>No binaries, but ASCII attachments seem to work fine, though. For
>>>>instance, here's a class-B driver for a Peltier cooler.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers
>>>>
>>>>Phil Hobbs
>>>
>>>Yup! Thanks for discovering that, Phil!
>>>
>>>Now, all we need to do is train the naysayers ;-)
>>
>>Can that be done?
>>
>>And where's the command gone for adding a plaintext (ascii) attachment
>>in Agent? Used to be easy to find, 'cos that's how I sent kernel patches.
>>
>>Grant.
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>
>There's an "Attachments" button (just below "Persona") in the compose
>reply window.
Thanks.
Hmm, what I should do is start over with Agent without my decade old
customised toolbars... Anyway, I found a dialog box that seems to give
access to attachment properties. I forget when I don't use stuff for
a few years.
Grant.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Grant
One place I post to demands whitespace not be corrupted, <tab> converted to
spaces a no no. I usually copy/paste stuff from terminal into a post, unless
I have to follow that whitespace issue, elsewhere.
I once posted a very small binary to usenet (aols) and it went through, no
complaints, but anything goes up in the alt... area.
Grant.
Joerg
> On a sunny day (Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:59:15 -0700) it happened Joerg
> <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in <8vpdg...@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> Yup. Any and all attachments. I've asked the guys at my (paid) server if
>> they couldn't open 100k for attachments since they allow max 100k in the
>> message body. The answer was a resounding "no way". Wouldn't make much
>> sense anyhow, it doesn't do any good if only 1% of the others can read it.
>
> Any kid over 5 years old here has its own website with at least 1 GB space,
> and posts his stuff there.
>
Same here. But it's a bit cumbersome. First you must store the file on
your HD, then FTP it over to your web site, then type the whole path
into the URL of your web browser, then copy the URL and paste into your
post.
>> In Europe we had a really nice system, not sure if still available: We
>> had the schedules of all those Intercity fast trains hanging on an
>> office wall. If something urgent needed to get to Munich we'd sprint to
>> the station, hand it over along with some cash, goes onto train. Called
>> the guy in Munich to be at their station at around 4:00pm. Even with air
>> freight today that's impossible unless you charter a plane.
>
> We just beam it there, oooh sorry I see you are still in 2011.
>
Yesterday I saw that faint twinkle up there in the sky, way out there. I
though that must be you, probably blew a circuit breaker in the hobby
room on your spaceship :-)
Jan Panteltje
<inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in <8vrgm2...@mid.individual.net>:
>Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:59:15 -0700) it happened Joerg
>> <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in <8vpdg...@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> Yup. Any and all attachments. I've asked the guys at my (paid) server if
>>> they couldn't open 100k for attachments since they allow max 100k in the
>>> message body. The answer was a resounding "no way". Wouldn't make much
>>> sense anyhow, it doesn't do any good if only 1% of the others can read it.
>>
>> Any kid over 5 years old here has its own website with at least 1 GB space,
>> and posts his stuff there.
>>
>
>Same here. But it's a bit cumbersome. First you must store the file on
>your HD, then FTP it over to your web site, then type the whole path
>into the URL of your web browser, then copy the URL and paste into your
>post.
That is only the smallest part of it,
anyways I have ssh access to my website (provider).
I took that opportunity to install some cool apps,
like my own editor, it is a Linux server of course.
No 'ftp', as from my mobile account ftp does not even work,
vodafone seems to block the data port, so I use scp.
This comes from up in space from a laptop too.
Goes to my own sat setup to terra, and from there via wireless
to Germany.
ssh allows you to edit directly on the webserver, it is cool,
even cut and paste works remotely.
Everything encrypted too.
>>> In Europe we had a really nice system, not sure if still available: We
>>> had the schedules of all those Intercity fast trains hanging on an
>>> office wall. If something urgent needed to get to Munich we'd sprint to
>>> the station, hand it over along with some cash, goes onto train. Called
>>> the guy in Munich to be at their station at around 4:00pm. Even with air
>>> freight today that's impossible unless you charter a plane.
>>
>> We just beam it there, oooh sorry I see you are still in 2011.
>>
>
>Yesterday I saw that faint twinkle up there in the sky, way out there. I
>though that must be you, probably blew a circuit breaker in the hobby
>room on your spaceship :-)
No, it is written I come as a light brigher than a thousand suns.
But never ignore a twinkle, could e a start of enlightment,
or that big comet expected in 2028.
So use your time wisely, I did enough for today in this lab,
dinner time.
Joerg
> Joerg wrote:
>> Well, shazam! It sure worked. Beats me why because the folks at the news
>> server said it wouldn't. And in the past it hadn't. Probably the Hobbs
>> coefficient was too low on all the others :-)
>
>
> Try posting one before you start the party. Some servers will carry
> messages with attachments, but not let you post them.
>
Ok, here is that test, a laser pump diode pulser. Nothing confidential,
it was my contribution to a discussion in a European NG.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> Joerg wrote:
>>> Well, shazam! It sure worked. Beats me why because the folks at the news
>>> server said it wouldn't. And in the past it hadn't. Probably the Hobbs
>>> coefficient was too low on all the others :-)
>>
>>
>> Try posting one before you start the party. Some servers will carry
>> messages with attachments, but not let you post them.
>>
>
>Ok, here is that test, a laser pump diode pulser. Nothing confidential,
>it was my contribution to a discussion in a European NG.
Except that you didn't attach it properly. GIGO ;-)
Joerg
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> Joerg wrote:
>>> Well, shazam! It sure worked. Beats me why because the folks at the news
>>> server said it wouldn't. And in the past it hadn't. Probably the Hobbs
>>> coefficient was too low on all the others :-)
>>
>> Try posting one before you start the party. Some servers will carry
>> messages with attachments, but not let you post them.
>>
>
> Ok, here is that test, a laser pump diode pulser. Nothing confidential,
> it was my contribution to a discussion in a European NG.
>
Well, what can I say, it worked. There must have been a change of mind
among the administrators since the time I asked. Because back then it
was a firm no from their side.
There's also a guy (Falk Willberg) on the German NG who set up a server
that supports binaries. But one must subscribe to that so right now we
are an "NG of two" over there, Falk and me.
--
Gruesse, Joerg
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>Joerg wrote:
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>> Well, shazam! It sure worked. Beats me why because the folks at the news
>>>> server said it wouldn't. And in the past it hadn't. Probably the Hobbs
>>>> coefficient was too low on all the others :-)
>>>
>>> Try posting one before you start the party. Some servers will carry
>>> messages with attachments, but not let you post them.
>>>
>>
>> Ok, here is that test, a laser pump diode pulser. Nothing confidential,
>> it was my contribution to a discussion in a European NG.
>>
>
>Well, what can I say, it worked.
[snip]
Nope. Your .asc file appeared in the body, not properly attached.
You would be better off if you used tools that adhere to the
standards.
Joerg
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 13:38:45 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Joerg wrote:
>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>>> Well, shazam! It sure worked. Beats me why because the folks at the news
>>>>> server said it wouldn't. And in the past it hadn't. Probably the Hobbs
>>>>> coefficient was too low on all the others :-)
>>>> Try posting one before you start the party. Some servers will carry
>>>> messages with attachments, but not let you post them.
>>>>
>>> Ok, here is that test, a laser pump diode pulser. Nothing confidential,
>>> it was my contribution to a discussion in a European NG.
>>>
>> Well, what can I say, it worked.
>
> [snip]
>
> Nope. Your .asc file appeared in the body, not properly attached.
>
> You would be better off if you used tools that adhere to the
> standards.
>
Or could it be your tools that don't behave?
On Thunderbird it does show as inline plus as an attached file. To make
sure, I then downloaded it into a temp directory (not the one from where
I attached it) and opened it in LTSpice. Woiks. Then I did same with the
netbook which never had that file. Woiks.
--
Regards, Joerg
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 13:38:45 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>>>> Well, shazam! It sure worked. Beats me why because the folks at the news
>>>>>> server said it wouldn't. And in the past it hadn't. Probably the Hobbs
>>>>>> coefficient was too low on all the others :-)
>>>>> Try posting one before you start the party. Some servers will carry
>>>>> messages with attachments, but not let you post them.
>>>>>
>>>> Ok, here is that test, a laser pump diode pulser. Nothing confidential,
>>>> it was my contribution to a discussion in a European NG.
>>>>
>>> Well, what can I say, it worked.
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> Nope. Your .asc file appeared in the body, not properly attached.
>>
>> You would be better off if you used tools that adhere to the
>> standards.
>>
>
>Or could it be your tools that don't behave?
>
>On Thunderbird it does show as inline plus as an attached file. To make
>sure, I then downloaded it into a temp directory (not the one from where
>I attached it) and opened it in LTSpice. Woiks. Then I did same with the
>netbook which never had that file. Woiks.
Did you try launching from the message?
I think Agent IS the standard.
Oh, well. Arguing with you is like arguing with a stump. You have
all the trouble, yet claim you're always right. You should join
Larkin's organization... you'd fit right in :-)
Was anyone else able to launch from the message?
Hobbs' posting launched from within the message.
Joerg
Obviously not a very good one. Klaus Butzmann in the German NG read my
attachment just fine, as a file.
> Oh, well. Arguing with you is like arguing with a stump. You have
> all the trouble, yet claim you're always right. You should join
> Larkin's organization... you'd fit right in :-)
>
One guy did, he just said so. It's midnight over there so there won't be
many answering in the next few hours.
> Was anyone else able to launch from the message?
>
> Hobbs' posting launched from within the message.
>
--
Jim Thompson
wrote:
"One" guy using your same tool can read it ?:-) Did he launch into
LTspice FROM the message? Hobbs' post worked, your's didn't.
Whatever you think you did... "inline" is NOT an attachment in most
people's world.
Joerg
Right now my Thunderbird wants to open it into the PDF reader for some
reason. Haven't figured that out yet but not so important. I will have
to find out how to add the *.asc file type in there because right now it
won't let me. I can launch it by hand though, works fine. Even if you
say it shouldn't because it doesn't over there in Phoenix :-)
BTW, Phil's attachment and mine behave in exactly the same way on this
here computation machine, as attachments.
> Whatever you think you did... "inline" is NOT an attachment in most
> people's world.
>
As I said before, it shows inline _and_ as an attachment. I have set my
software that way because it's also my email program. That way I can
quickly see scope shots from my clients right inside the emails and also
as attachments for file storage.
Tell me, if it was only inline as you claim, how could it be that if I
click on this attachment and save it as a file it saves correctly? Do
you really think a li'l gnome is built into Thunderbird that
automagically detects which lines are SPICE and which ones are not?
Would it automatically remove lines that have the words merlot, barbecue
or global warming in there?
Jim Thompson
wrote:
Sure, it's important. You didn't "attach" in the functional sense of
the word.
>I will have
>to find out how to add the *.asc file type in there because right now it
>won't let me. I can launch it by hand though, works fine. Even if you
>say it shouldn't because it doesn't over there in Phoenix :-)
>
>BTW, Phil's attachment and mine behave in exactly the same way on this
>here computation machine, as attachments.
Wonderful ;-) Did it launch into LTspice? No? Hobbs' did, and
that's the whole point, view in LTspice without intermediary steps.
>
>
>> Whatever you think you did... "inline" is NOT an attachment in most
>> people's world.
>>
>
>As I said before, it shows inline _and_ as an attachment. I have set my
>software that way because it's also my email program. That way I can
>quickly see scope shots from my clients right inside the emails and also
>as attachments for file storage.
>
>Tell me, if it was only inline as you claim, how could it be that if I
>click on this attachment and save it as a file it saves correctly?
Right click and saving ain't the same as "launch".
>Do
>you really think a li'l gnome is built into Thunderbird that
>automagically detects which lines are SPICE and which ones are not?
>Would it automatically remove lines that have the words merlot, barbecue
>or global warming in there?
There's a little "gnome" built into Agent that knows how to launch a
schematic with its parent application.
Cheap is as cheap does ;-)
Eudora is an E-mail client.
Agent is a newsreader client.
Thunderbird is a hack ;-)
Joerg
What is the functional sense of the word? To me an attachment is an
attachment is an attachment. IOW a file stuck to a message, and that's
how it shows up.
>> I will have
>> to find out how to add the *.asc file type in there because right now it
>> won't let me. I can launch it by hand though, works fine. Even if you
>> say it shouldn't because it doesn't over there in Phoenix :-)
>>
>> BTW, Phil's attachment and mine behave in exactly the same way on this
>> here computation machine, as attachments.
>
> Wonderful ;-) Did it launch into LTspice? No? Hobbs' did, and
> that's the whole point, view in LTspice without intermediary steps.
>
I asked the German engineer, in his Thunderbird he can set file
associations so the desired program launches. Turns out the config menus
on his TB are totally different, he has a file association table just
like Windows does. My TB doesn't.
>>
>>> Whatever you think you did... "inline" is NOT an attachment in most
>>> people's world.
>>>
>> As I said before, it shows inline _and_ as an attachment. I have set my
>> software that way because it's also my email program. That way I can
>> quickly see scope shots from my clients right inside the emails and also
>> as attachments for file storage.
>>
>> Tell me, if it was only inline as you claim, how could it be that if I
>> click on this attachment and save it as a file it saves correctly?
>
> Right click and saving ain't the same as "launch".
>
It is. You only need to set the file associations right. And somehow my
Thunderbird can't while the German one can. Guess I may have to upgrade.
>> Do
>> you really think a li'l gnome is built into Thunderbird that
>> automagically detects which lines are SPICE and which ones are not?
>> Would it automatically remove lines that have the words merlot, barbecue
>> or global warming in there?
>
> There's a little "gnome" built into Agent that knows how to launch a
> schematic with its parent application.
>
Same in Thunderbird. Except the configuration in mine is a bit recalcitrant.
> Cheap is as cheap does ;-)
>
> Eudora is an E-mail client.
>
> Agent is a newsreader client.
>
> Thunderbird is a hack ;-)
>
Nope. It's a rather fine piece of software. I prefer to have the same
program for news and email.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
When _you_ can "launch" an attachment from within Thunderbird, come
back and tell me about it. Until then... don't tell me about "someone
else" being successful :-)
Joerg
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 16:32:42 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Jim Thompson wrote:
[...]
>>
>>> Cheap is as cheap does ;-)
>>>
>>> Eudora is an E-mail client.
>>>
>>> Agent is a newsreader client.
>>>
>>> Thunderbird is a hack ;-)
>>>
>> Nope. It's a rather fine piece of software. I prefer to have the same
>> program for news and email.
>
> When _you_ can "launch" an attachment from within Thunderbird, come
> back and tell me about it. Until then... don't tell me about "someone
> else" being successful :-)
>
Might be a while. I am in the middle of two major projects so I can't
possibly upgrade Thunderbird right not (the German enineer's version is
newer). Fact is, I no longer need to copy and paste and that's what this
exercise was about. I can take the attached file "as is" and launch it
in LTSpice, done it with Phil's as well as mine. Worked. Sorry, can't
help it if Agent can't.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 16:32:42 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>
>[...]
>>>
>>>> Cheap is as cheap does ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Eudora is an E-mail client.
>>>>
>>>> Agent is a newsreader client.
>>>>
>>>> Thunderbird is a hack ;-)
>>>>
>>> Nope. It's a rather fine piece of software. I prefer to have the same
>>> program for news and email.
>>
>> When _you_ can "launch" an attachment from within Thunderbird, come
>> back and tell me about it. Until then... don't tell me about "someone
>> else" being successful :-)
>>
>
>Might be a while. I am in the middle of two major projects so I can't
>possibly upgrade Thunderbird right not (the German enineer's version is
>newer). Fact is, I no longer need to copy and paste and that's what this
>exercise was about. I can take the attached file "as is" and launch it
>in LTSpice, done it with Phil's as well as mine. Worked. Sorry, can't
>help it if Agent can't.
You didn't launch it from _within_ your reader.
Agent does that just fine.
I'm sorry you don't understand, but I give up.
Joerg
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 16:57:51 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 16:32:42 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>> [...]
>>>>> Cheap is as cheap does ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Eudora is an E-mail client.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agent is a newsreader client.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thunderbird is a hack ;-)
>>>>>
>>>> Nope. It's a rather fine piece of software. I prefer to have the same
>>>> program for news and email.
>>> When _you_ can "launch" an attachment from within Thunderbird, come
>>> back and tell me about it. Until then... don't tell me about "someone
>>> else" being successful :-)
>>>
>> Might be a while. I am in the middle of two major projects so I can't
>> possibly upgrade Thunderbird right not (the German enineer's version is
>> newer). Fact is, I no longer need to copy and paste and that's what this
>> exercise was about. I can take the attached file "as is" and launch it
>> in LTSpice, done it with Phil's as well as mine. Worked. Sorry, can't
>> help it if Agent can't.
>
> You didn't launch it from _within_ your reader.
>
Ok, tried it on the Samsung netbook which has a (only slightly) newer TB
version. It does launch straight into LTSpice. At the first instance it
needed to be told which program to pick, and from then on it "knew".
Happy now?
> Agent does that just fine.
>
But didn't you say Agent did not recognize my attachment? Then it did
not do fine.
> I'm sorry you don't understand, but I give up.
>
There's nothing to understand other than that the attachment does come
through as an attachment. And it did.
Joerg
> LTspice users should be able to launch the attached schematic directly
> from their reader.
>
> Please report back success/failure and reader-type/version.
>
Success. How come you are using European reiasistah notation? :-)
Jim Thompson
wrote:
It didn't show as an attachment here... just contained in the body.
Try it again from your newer machine.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> LTspice users should be able to launch the attached schematic directly
>> from their reader.
>>
>> Please report back success/failure and reader-type/version.
>>
>
>Success. How come you are using European reiasistah notation? :-)
That's just something random that had been posted to SED in the
past... not my creation. I only use LTspice as a netlist ingester,
and reader for questions asked here :-)
Joerg
The Samsung _is_ newer and there it worked.
Joerg
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 17:37:06 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> LTspice users should be able to launch the attached schematic directly
>>> from their reader.
>>>
>>> Please report back success/failure and reader-type/version.
>>>
>> Success. How come you are using European reiasistah notation? :-)
>
> That's just something random that had been posted to SED in the
> past... not my creation. I only use LTspice as a netlist ingester,
> and reader for questions asked here :-)
>
After having used PSpice for over a week now I must said that I'll be
glad when I can return to LTSpice. The speed differences I see are
immense. And I like the backend better, mostly the display options.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 17:37:06 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>> LTspice users should be able to launch the attached schematic directly
>>>> from their reader.
>>>>
>>>> Please report back success/failure and reader-type/version.
>>>>
>>> Success. How come you are using European reiasistah notation? :-)
>>
>> That's just something random that had been posted to SED in the
>> past... not my creation. I only use LTspice as a netlist ingester,
>> and reader for questions asked here :-)
>>
>
>After having used PSpice for over a week now I must said that I'll be
>glad when I can return to LTSpice. The speed differences I see are
>immense. And I like the backend better, mostly the display options.
You like the LTspice backend better? For presentations? You
certainly are a strange fellow ;-)
LTspice is certainly speedier for single cells, but the LTspice Yahoo
list discussions suggest some real issues with trying to do
hierarchical calls for stuff not in the same directory.
Joerg
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 17:52:31 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 17:37:06 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>> LTspice users should be able to launch the attached schematic directly
>>>>> from their reader.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please report back success/failure and reader-type/version.
>>>>>
>>>> Success. How come you are using European reiasistah notation? :-)
>>> That's just something random that had been posted to SED in the
>>> past... not my creation. I only use LTspice as a netlist ingester,
>>> and reader for questions asked here :-)
>>>
>> After having used PSpice for over a week now I must said that I'll be
>> glad when I can return to LTSpice. The speed differences I see are
>> immense. And I like the backend better, mostly the display options.
>
> You like the LTspice backend better? For presentations? You
> certainly are a strange fellow ;-)
>
A guy on a LinkedIn forum called me a Luddite for prefering NNTP servers
over pretty much any other forum. So he went ahead and made a fancy web
portal. As predicted the discussions in the forums are rather anemic :-)
I find LTSpice makes for very nice presentations.
> LTspice is certainly speedier for single cells, but the LTspice Yahoo
> list discussions suggest some real issues with trying to do
> hierarchical calls for stuff not in the same directory.
>
Yes, it sure does have its limits. I don't think there's much motivation
for LTC to compete with the "big iron" because it is mainly intended to
aid in the design of switch mode converters. And there it's blazingly
fast. I do a lot of those.
Phil Hobbs
> Phil Hobbs wrote:
>> Jon Kirwan wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:35:39 -0400, Phil Hobbs
>>> <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No binaries, but ASCII attachments seem to work fine, though. For
>>>> instance, here's a class-B driver for a Peltier cooler.
>>>
>>>
>> <snip ugly schematic>
>>>
>>> Not entirely pretty, but the ASCII generator does what it can
>>> understand to do.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>
>> The orginal wasn't that pretty either.
>>
>
> Flux splatters on there, like Jan's? :-)
>
Nah, just the usual LTSpice thing--the transistors and resistors are
impossibly huge, so if you want the schematic to fit on one screen, you
wind up with an ugly layout. (Other folks are probably a lot more
artistic than I am.)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
email: hobbs (atsign) electrooptical (period) net
http://electrooptical.net
Grant
No, Agent's been around for a long time, that's all ;)
>
>Oh, well. Arguing with you is like arguing with a stump. You have
>all the trouble, yet claim you're always right. You should join
>Larkin's organization... you'd fit right in :-)
>
>Was anyone else able to launch from the message?
Yup, in the spirit of the sender, the inline 'attachment' worked fine!
Agent correctly showed the demarcation, but since there was no filename
given, agent can't save it. That's how inline text attachments work, and
they're preferred in some places.
>
>Hobbs' posting launched from within the message.
His was really truly and attachment, with a filename.
But you're being touch too sensitive or pedantic going on about trying
to avoid a simple copy/paste/rename operation to recreate a text file.
Grant.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
John Devereux
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> Joerg wrote:
>>> Well, shazam! It sure worked. Beats me why because the folks at the news
>>> server said it wouldn't. And in the past it hadn't. Probably the Hobbs
>>> coefficient was too low on all the others :-)
>>
>>
>> Try posting one before you start the party. Some servers will carry
>> messages with attachments, but not let you post them.
>>
>
> Ok, here is that test, a laser pump diode pulser. Nothing confidential,
> it was my contribution to a discussion in a European NG.
FWIW it seems to be a distinct "inline" section. In GNUS it initially
shows as normal inline text, but I can save it as a distinct attachment
which I can then drag-and-drop fine into LTSpice. It does save a few
steps over the copy-paste method, I prefer it as long as we don't hear
reports of these not getting through news servers.
--
John Devereux
Jan Panteltje
<inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in <8vshvv...@mid.individual.net>:
>Ok, tried it on the Samsung netbook which has a (only slightly) newer TB
>version. It does launch straight into LTSpice. At the first instance it
>needed to be told which program to pick, and from then on it "knew".
The danger there is that if somebody posts a text plain document that is NOT intended for LTspice it will start LTspice anyways.
'Text plain' is just that, ASCII text, and should go to an ASCII editor or display.
So we need a new mime type, 'text LTspice'.
The rest is just undefined.
Jan Panteltje
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
<ftnhp6db2bi2j4a8t...@4ax.com>:
>Was anyone else able to launch from the message?
On first try no.
On second try, after I added
text plain rxvt -e joe
to the helper list, it popped up my text editor joe with that 'attachment' in it.
So it is merely a configuration issue on the RECEIVER side.
This is on the Linux newsreader NewsFleX I wrote of course.
NewsFleX homepage:
http://www.panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/
and ftp download
ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/linux/system/news/readers/
No 'agent' is not the standard, there are RFC documents that are, try reading those.
Anyways this is the best newsreader that exists for Linux, IMNSHO, and the closest one ever gets to agent.
Come to think of it, 'text plain' could be replaced in the sender by 'text ltspice'.
And then I could have it automatically start LTspice here by adding that to the helper list.
Now all we need is to propose that mime type to the internet community in the form of an amendment to the appropriate rfc.
Maybe such a type already exists.
Of course it is all for the extremely lazy, as you can just save text plain and use that.
John Devereux
There was a filename, and gnus handles it correctly:
>--------------070604080302010003040205
>Content-Type: text/plain;
> name="Diodenpulser_4.asc"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Content-Disposition: inline;
> filename="Diodenpulser_4.asc"
>
>Version 4
>SHEET 1 1388 804
...
>>
>>Hobbs' posting launched from within the message.
>
> His was really truly and attachment, with a filename.
Both can work AFAICS, although obviously newsreaders can differ.
>
> But you're being touch too sensitive or pedantic going on about trying
> to avoid a simple copy/paste/rename operation to recreate a text file.
>
> Grant.
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
--
John Devereux
Jim Thompson
>On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 14:05:15 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
[snip]
>>
>>Hobbs' posting launched from within the message.
>
>His was really truly and attachment, with a filename.
>
>But you're being touch too sensitive or pedantic going on about trying
>to avoid a simple copy/paste/rename operation to recreate a text file.
>
>Grant.
>>
Not that I really care, but Joerg's way...
Select text, copy text, open text editor, paste text, save as .asc,
close; open file with LTspice.
Properly attached...
Right click on file name, click launch.
Michael A. Terrell
Joerg wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > Joerg wrote:
> >> Well, shazam! It sure worked. Beats me why because the folks at the news
> >> server said it wouldn't. And in the past it hadn't. Probably the Hobbs
> >> coefficient was too low on all the others :-)
> >
> >
> > Try posting one before you start the party. Some servers will carry
> > messages with attachments, but not let you post them.
> >
>
> Ok, here is that test, a laser pump diode pulser. Nothing confidential,
> it was my contribution to a discussion in a European NG.
>
> Regards, Joerg
>
> http://www.analogconsultants.com/
>
> "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
> Use another domain or send PM.
>
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> SYMATTR SpiceLine Rser=0.5m
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It was atttached as plain ASCII, not a .ASC file.
--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.
Jim Thompson
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Joerg wrote:
>>
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> > Joerg wrote:
>> >> Well, shazam! It sure worked. Beats me why because the folks at the news
>> >> server said it wouldn't. And in the past it hadn't. Probably the Hobbs
>> >> coefficient was too low on all the others :-)
>> >
>> >
>> > Try posting one before you start the party. Some servers will carry
>> > messages with attachments, but not let you post them.
>> >
>>
>> Ok, here is that test, a laser pump diode pulser. Nothing confidential,
>> it was my contribution to a discussion in a European NG.
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Joerg
>>
>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/
>>
>> "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
>> Use another domain or send PM.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Version 4
>> SHEET 1 1388 804
>> WIRE 80 -176 -944 -176
>> WIRE 352 -176 176 -176
[snip]
>> TEXT 344 136 Left 0 ;L1 stellt den Messwiderstand
>> TEXT 344 160 Left 0 ;mit Induktivitaet dar.
>> TEXT 232 -200 Left 0 ;V(n002)
>> TEXT -392 -112 Left 0 ;V(n004)
>
>
>
> It was atttached as plain ASCII, not a .ASC file.
Of course. But Joerg will never admit error, it's always some
software issue. Besides, he's now trying to lay claim to the Larkin
Seat for Obstinacy ;-)
Joerg
In Thunderbird it clearly shows the extension as *.asc, not *.txt.
Software launching should not be based on file contents but on the file
suffix. But yeah, if someone would use *.asc for a poem or a barbecue
recipe then it's all screwed :-)
Warren
news:6dlhp611b2o73iu93...@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 13:05:44 -0700, Joerg
> <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>> Well, shazam! It sure worked. Beats me why because the
>>>> folks at the news server said it wouldn't. And in the
>>>> past it hadn't. Probably the Hobbs coefficient was too
>>>> low on all the others :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Try posting one before you start the party. Some
>>> servers will carry
>>> messages with attachments, but not let you post them.
>>>
>>
>>Ok, here is that test, a laser pump diode pulser. Nothing
>>confidential, it was my contribution to a discussion in a
>>European NG.
>
> Except that you didn't attach it properly. GIGO ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
It worked for me. :)
Warren
news:3pqhp6pn2v3a6esls...@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 14:14:15 -0700, Joerg
> <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 13:49:38 -0700, Joerg
>>> <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 13:38:45 -0700, Joerg
>>>>> <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>>>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Well, shazam! It sure worked. Beats me why because
>>>>>>>>> the folks at the news server said it wouldn't. And
>>>>>>>>> in the past it hadn't. Probably the Hobbs
>>>>>>>>> coefficient was too low on all the others :-)
>>>>>>>> Try posting one before you start the party. Some
>>>>>>>> servers will carry
>>>>>>>> messages with attachments, but not let you post
>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok, here is that test, a laser pump diode pulser.
>>>>>>> Nothing confidential, it was my contribution to a
>>>>>>> discussion in a European NG.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, what can I say, it worked.
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. Your .asc file appeared in the body, not
>>>>> properly attached.
>>>>>
>>>>> You would be better off if you used tools that adhere
>>>>> to the standards.
>>>>>
>>>> Or could it be your tools that don't behave?
>>>>
>>>> On Thunderbird it does show as inline plus as an
>>>> attached file. To make sure, I then downloaded it into a
>>>> temp directory (not the one from where I attached it)
>>>> and opened it in LTSpice. Woiks. Then I did same with
>>>> the netbook which never had that file. Woiks.
>>>
>>> Did you try launching from the message?
>>>
>>> I think Agent IS the standard.
>>>
>>
>>Obviously not a very good one. Klaus Butzmann in the German
>>NG read my attachment just fine, as a file.
>>
>>
>>> Oh, well. Arguing with you is like arguing with a stump.
>>> You have all the trouble, yet claim you're always right.
>>> You should join Larkin's organization... you'd fit right
>>> in :-)
>>>
>>
>>One guy did, he just said so. It's midnight over there so
>>there won't be many answering in the next few hours.
>>
>>
>>> Was anyone else able to launch from the message?
>>>
>>> Hobbs' posting launched from within the message.
>>>
>
> "One" guy using your same tool can read it ?:-) Did he
> launch into LTspice FROM the message? Hobbs' post worked,
> your's didn't.
> ...Jim Thompson
Using Xnews here: just had to save it with the "Launch"
checkbox checked, and LTspice came up with it just fine.
Warren
John Devereux
> On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:59:49 +1000, Grant <o...@grrr.id.au> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 14:05:15 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
> [snip]
>>>
>>>Hobbs' posting launched from within the message.
>>
>>His was really truly and attachment, with a filename.
>>
>>But you're being touch too sensitive or pedantic going on about trying
>>to avoid a simple copy/paste/rename operation to recreate a text file.
>>
>>Grant.
>>>
>
> Not that I really care, but Joerg's way...
>
> Select text, copy text, open text editor, paste text, save as .asc,
> close; open file with LTspice.
>
> Properly attached...
Not here - nothing, inline or "attached".
>
> Right click on file name, click launch.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
--
John Devereux
Jim Thompson
Jan Panteltje
<inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in <8vucsv...@mid.individual.net>:
>In Thunderbird it clearly shows the extension as *.asc, not *.txt.
>Software launching should not be based on file contents but on the file
>suffix. But yeah, if someone would use *.asc for a poem or a barbecue
>recipe then it's all screwed :-)
Here is a way to make ltspice start automatically for NewsFleX in Linux:
From the OPTIONS pulldown menu chose 'HELPERS'.
In helpers add the following line:
helper text plain swcad2
Click 'ACCEPT'.
Make a script /usr/local/sbin/swcad2 like this,
modify it for where you keep wine and where you keep swcad:
# start script
# copy diagram to ltspice dir
/bin/cp $1 "/root/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/LTC/SwCADIII/"
# change to ltspice dir
cd "/root/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/LTC/SwCADIII/"
# extract diagram from pathname
DIAGRAM=/bin/echo $1 | awk 'BEGIN { FS="/" }{print $7}'
# start ltspice with diagram as argument
wine scad3.exe "$DIAGRAM"
# end script
Make the script executable:
chmod +x /usr/local/sbin/swcad2
Now ltspice will autostart with the diagram, it will stay up if you exit the newsreader.
Use the LAUNCH button to start it the first time.
One problem, from this moment onwards anytime you select that posting it will just pop up the diagram,
So to see the original text too, go to the OPTIONS pulldown menu,
and push the 'descr. popup' button, so it says YES.
Now the text of the article, if there was any, will pop up in a separate window.
So you can see that too if you want.
This feature was originally added for pictures in binary groups of course.
:-)
Grant
Oops, serves me right for not looking at the source message :) In that
case Agent made a boo-boo by not saving the file, I don't think they're
doing much development these days, not enough paying users?
(I'm a paid up Agent user since Aug'96, vers .99! -- the one shareware
I paid for and use daily for years, upgraded to pay for version to get
the email functions, I recall).
>
>>--------------070604080302010003040205
>>Content-Type: text/plain;
>> name="Diodenpulser_4.asc"
>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>Content-Disposition: inline;
>> filename="Diodenpulser_4.asc"
>>
>>Version 4
>>SHEET 1 1388 804
>...
>>>
>>>Hobbs' posting launched from within the message.
>>
>> His was really truly and attachment, with a filename.
>
>Both can work AFAICS, although obviously newsreaders can differ.
Yup, I did forward the message to Thunderbird and got the same non-launch.
Grant.
Grant
>On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:59:49 +1000, Grant <o...@grrr.id.au> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 14:05:15 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
>[snip]
>>>
>>>Hobbs' posting launched from within the message.
>>
>>His was really truly and attachment, with a filename.
>>
>>But you're being touch too sensitive or pedantic going on about trying
>>to avoid a simple copy/paste/rename operation to recreate a text file.
>>
>>Grant.
>>>
>
>Not that I really care, but Joerg's way...
>
>Select text, copy text, open text editor, paste text, save as .asc,
>close; open file with LTspice.
>
>Properly attached...
>
>Right click on file name, click launch.
Yes, I do agree :) Much quicker, but then I'm used to transferring from
windoze email to/from unix text, so I do the copy/paste dance in a trance.
Grant.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Grant
>On a sunny day (Sun, 03 Apr 2011 14:05:15 -0700) it happened Jim Thompson
><To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
><ftnhp6db2bi2j4a8t...@4ax.com>:
>
>>Was anyone else able to launch from the message?
>
>On first try no.
>On second try, after I added
>text plain rxvt -e joe
>to the helper list, it popped up my text editor joe with that 'attachment' in it.
>
>So it is merely a configuration issue on the RECEIVER side.
>
>This is on the Linux newsreader NewsFleX I wrote of course.
> NewsFleX homepage:
> http://www.panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/
>and ftp download
> ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/linux/system/news/readers/
Jan, are you maintaining NewsFleX? I mean, it's up to date? Since I've been
using Agent for so long one of the things tying me to windows is finding a
decent (like Agent, or easy to learn) newsreader for Linux ;)
>
>No 'agent' is not the standard, there are RFC documents that are, try reading those.
>Anyways this is the best newsreader that exists for Linux, IMNSHO, and the closest one ever gets to agent.
>
>Come to think of it, 'text plain' could be replaced in the sender by 'text ltspice'.
>And then I could have it automatically start LTspice here by adding that to the helper list.
>Now all we need is to propose that mime type to the internet community in the form of an amendment to the appropriate rfc.
>Maybe such a type already exists.
>Of course it is all for the extremely lazy, as you can just save text plain and use that.
Well, that's how the discussion arose, Jim T. is trying to save seconds per
day :) Older you get, the more precious your time is?? I'm starting to feel
that way and I'm decades younger than Jim.
Grant.
Jim Thompson
I do that all the time as well. But Joerg needed his blather tamed
;-)
Grant
Jim: Try Right-click Joerg's message, then Open Attachment Folder ->
Double-click Diodenpulser_4.asc
Message was saved, not flagged as launchable, so at least there's no need
for the copy/paste dance.
So possibly the text/plain type needs to be something else?
Note too, the many signatureNN.asc files in that folder. Double-click
to have LTSpice throw an error, for fun? Not!
Grant.
Jim Thompson
>On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 09:06:42 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Sun, 03 Apr 2011 17:33:56 -0700) it happened Joerg
>><inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in <8vshvv...@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>>Ok, tried it on the Samsung netbook which has a (only slightly) newer TB
>>>version. It does launch straight into LTSpice. At the first instance it
>>>needed to be told which program to pick, and from then on it "knew".
>>
>>The danger there is that if somebody posts a text plain document that is NOT intended for LTspice it will start LTspice anyways.
>>'Text plain' is just that, ASCII text, and should go to an ASCII editor or display.
>>So we need a new mime type, 'text LTspice'.
>>
>>The rest is just undefined.
>
>Jim: Try Right-click Joerg's message, then Open Attachment Folder ->
>Double-click Diodenpulser_4.asc
Or... to put in Program Files/LTC/SWCADIII/Examples/SED, much
scrolling and crap :-(
Whereas, right click to launch, save-as if you like it, otherwise
ignore ;-)
>
>Message was saved, not flagged as launchable, so at least there's no need
>for the copy/paste dance.
>
>So possibly the text/plain type needs to be something else?
>
>Note too, the many signatureNN.asc files in that folder. Double-click
>to have LTSpice throw an error, for fun? Not!
>
>Grant.
ehsjr
<snip>
>
>
>
>
> It was atttached as plain ASCII, not a .ASC file.
>
>
Weird. Not just your experience with it, but several different
posters have reported different results.
I wonder if it is a news server issue, or a news reader issue,
or perhaps some configuration setting on the PC. For me it shows
up as an .asc extension in the Attachments: window. But I can't
launch it correctly. (Using Thunderbird 1.0.2). When I try, I
get a Spice Error - Multiple instances of "Flag". I get the same
error on the one Phil sent when I try to launch his, so it is some
kind of local error in my configuration, as Jim has success
launching from with Phil's post.
If I save the file (either Joerg's or Phil's) by right click, save
to disk, I can double click on the saved file and it opens properly
in LTSPice.
Ed
John - KD5YI
I have the same problem. You are probably seeing the text file even
though LTSpice is loading the file. That is, LTS is loading the file as
a text file rather than an asc file. Look at the file name in the upper
left corner after LTS loads it and responds with the error message. On
mine it shows name(dot)asc(dot)txt. Somehow, TB is appending .txt before
handing it off to LTS, I think.
I don't know how to fix this.
John
Jan Panteltje
<o...@grrr.id.au> wrote in <njmkp6lrfc4ug82ii...@4ax.com>:
>On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 09:06:42 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Sun, 03 Apr 2011 14:05:15 -0700) it happened Jim Thompson
>><To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>><ftnhp6db2bi2j4a8t...@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>Was anyone else able to launch from the message?
>>
>>On first try no.
>>On second try, after I added
>>text plain rxvt -e joe
>>to the helper list, it popped up my text editor joe with that 'attachment' in it.
>>
>>So it is merely a configuration issue on the RECEIVER side.
>>
>>This is on the Linux newsreader NewsFleX I wrote of course.
>> NewsFleX homepage:
>> http://www.panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/
>>and ftp download
>> ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/linux/system/news/readers/
>
>Jan, are you maintaining NewsFleX? I mean, it's up to date?
Yes, as I am using it all the time, it is up to date in the sense that I added some user requests,
It does what it has to do, and is great on low bandwidth links (offline reader).
I do not understand why anyone would use a different reader,
Hardly any changes were needed and made in the last few years.
There is even a version for the early eeePC.
I am amazed that anyone would pay for a newsreader like agent and MS windows of course.
While all good stuff is free, like Linux and NewsFleX.
And you have the source and can modify it too.
> Since I've been
>using Agent for so long one of the things tying me to windows is finding a
>decent (like Agent, or easy to learn) newsreader for Linux ;)
Installing NewsFleX is very easy, using the basic functions is even easier.
There are older functions that could get websites and URLs, ftp is supported too,
but these days all web browsers will do that for you, and there is now 'wget',
so I am not using those features, and, as html changed a lot over time, they probably wont work.
>>No 'agent' is not the standard, there are RFC documents that are, try reading those.
>>Anyways this is the best newsreader that exists for Linux, IMNSHO, and the closest one ever gets to agent.
>>
>>Come to think of it, 'text plain' could be replaced in the sender by 'text ltspice'.
>>And then I could have it automatically start LTspice here by adding that to the helper list.
>>Now all we need is to propose that mime type to the internet community in the form of an amendment to the appropriate rfc.
>>Maybe such a type already exists.
>>Of course it is all for the extremely lazy, as you can just save text plain and use that.
>
>Well, that's how the discussion arose, Jim T. is trying to save seconds per
>day :) Older you get, the more precious your time is?? I'm starting to feel
>that way and I'm decades younger than Jim.
>
>Grant.
It is purely theoretical, if you are happy doing it that way or happy doing it the other way
is what counts.
Time spend happy is time used well.
For me a bit of programming is fun, just like designing some stuff.
But happiness is an internal experience, a state of being, so from that POV it does not really matter what you do,
just make sure you are in harmony with yourself.
To be in harmony with this world is not possible, in fact if I read the news I see madness and war everywhere,
without reason, as if some fuse blew, or maybe some feedback circuit failed.
From a larger perspective maybe where the universe is going, who am I to argue.
Like the storm and rain comes an goes, to be in harmony with the infinite is the way out,
but also we are just a part of the motion of things, things so big.
So, maybe WW3 is coming, this all is just a pre-amble, not going to be pretty.
But in spite of all those dark clouds gathering we can be very happy having fun with our toys.
hehe
:-)
Now ain't that great?
What more can one wish for.
John Devereux
> On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 20:05:11 +0100, John Devereux
> <jo...@devereux.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:59:49 +1000, Grant <o...@grrr.id.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 14:05:15 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>>Hobbs' posting launched from within the message.
>>>>
>>>>His was really truly and attachment, with a filename.
>>>>
>>>>But you're being touch too sensitive or pedantic going on about trying
>>>>to avoid a simple copy/paste/rename operation to recreate a text file.
>>>>
>>>>Grant.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Not that I really care, but Joerg's way...
>>>
>>> Select text, copy text, open text editor, paste text, save as .asc,
>>> close; open file with LTspice.
>>>
>>> Properly attached...
>>
>>Not here - nothing, inline or "attached".
>>
>>>
>>> Right click on file name, click launch.
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>
> You couldn't see the attachment in this message...
Sorry, I misunderstood - I thought there was supposed to be an
attachment in the message I replied too...
All the various methods tried here seem to have worked for me so far.q
--
John Devereux
Joerg
> On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 09:53:23 +1000, Grant <o...@grrr.id.au> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 08:01:31 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:59:49 +1000, Grant <o...@grrr.id.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 14:05:15 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>>> Hobbs' posting launched from within the message.
>>>> His was really truly and attachment, with a filename.
>>>>
>>>> But you're being touch too sensitive or pedantic going on about trying
>>>> to avoid a simple copy/paste/rename operation to recreate a text file.
>>>>
>>>> Grant.
>>>>>
>>> Not that I really care, but Joerg's way...
>>>
>>> Select text, copy text, open text editor, paste text, save as .asc,
>>> close; open file with LTspice.
>>>
>>> Properly attached...
>>>
>>> Right click on file name, click launch.
>> Yes, I do agree :) Much quicker, but then I'm used to transferring from
>> windoze email to/from unix text, so I do the copy/paste dance in a trance.
>>
>> Grant.
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>
> I do that all the time as well. But Joerg needed his blather tamed
> ;-)
>
Oh really? Another guy on the European NG, quote "Dein angehängtes
Beispiel konnte ich problemlos in LTSPICE laden und simulieren." Literal
translation: I could load and simulate your attached example in LTSpice
without problems.
He uses Seamonkey (also a Mozilla product), not sure why they picked
that strange name. Even if this pains you, it seems Agent is not the
standard. Or at least not anymore.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
I can launch your form of "attachment" by right clicking in the
message, open attachment directory, then click on your file name. IF
you named it in your message I can find it easily. You didn't name it
at the break-point in your message, but I saw it in the directory
since it was in German (?)
Hobbs' "proper" method, simply right click the attachment name. Done!
Standard, smandard. Blather all you want. The question wasn't
whether it was launchable eventually. It was about EASE! Your way is
the crude way. (Maybe that's your "standard" ;-)
ehsjr
Me neither. But I just opened the phase shift oscillator file (in
another thread) from Warren from his attachment. The difference
I saw in the process: when I double clicked on Warren's attachment,
the window that opened had LT spice (default) in the "open with"
box. With Joerg's or Phil's, the open with box had txtfile not
LT Spice. I had to select the launching app, and I chose scad3.
Looking at the Content-Type header info in their posts, I see what
may be a clue to the cause of the problem. In the following
order: Warren, then Joerg, then Phil content type information.
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Phase_Shift_Osc.asc"
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="------------070604080302010003040205"
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="------------070304010100010408010508"
The line wrap occurred when I pasted the above here - there is
no wrap in the headers.
In my case, with Joerg's attachment, I do not get filename.asc.txt
The .txt is not appended, as it is in your case. I get
LTspice IV - [Diodenpulser_4.asc-4]
So we both get failures, but even the failure mode is different.
Ed
Jim Thompson
wrote:
Have you set up the default program for *.asc files to be
scad3(4).exe?
With agent, if I right-click the filename, I get a menu of choices...
choose the first, which is "launch".
Michael A. Terrell
I found a setting for 'Toggle Attachment Pane' that will let me right
click and save it, but it screws up other messages. I'm using Netscape
4.78.
Jim Thompson
Why do so many people use browsers for newsreaders?
John - KD5YI
Well, I can right-click the attached file name and get it to save in my
directory of choice which LTSpice knows, and it works fine. I was just
hoping I could find a way to get it to launch. TB does not have a way to
specify launch progs, AFAIK.
John
Grant
My excuse? It was before I met unix, then Linux, because once I met a real OS,
first question was 'how can I do this at home?' :) Been running at least two PCs
on localnet since, taking the best of both worlds, which for me is windows desktop
over Linux networking. The software I enjoy tinkering is system stuff and the
odd web page (mostly http://bugs.id.au, grrr.id.au is less used at the moment.
>While all good stuff is free, like Linux and NewsFleX.
As long as one's time is not counted.
>And you have the source and can modify it too.
Only times I modified some apps was actually binary mods to make it work better,
I remember hacking z80 dasm to increase table size back in the '80s, and a card
solitaire game I had to change name of their .dll to avoid a clash, in the '90s.
Plus dongle disconnection from a an expensive app in the '80s ;) Sped it up no
end by stopping a silly conversation with said dongle, 'yes, it's here'... every
time one hit main menu.
>
Source is too easy in one sense, but may require lots of poking around. Gives
more confidence that it's available. My name's in the linux kernel for minor
work, but that project moves way too fast for me to keep up for any length of
time.
>
>
>> Since I've been
>>using Agent for so long one of the things tying me to windows is finding a
>>decent (like Agent, or easy to learn) newsreader for Linux ;)
>
>Installing NewsFleX is very easy, using the basic functions is even easier.
Yeah, I grabbed the tarball, it GUI? My linux boxes not really setup for GUI
at the moment, I use PuTTY terminals, sometimes lots of them. The old idea, GUI
is there simply to allow more terminals on the screen! :)
>There are older functions that could get websites and URLs, ftp is supported too,
>but these days all web browsers will do that for you, and there is now 'wget',
>so I am not using those features, and, as html changed a lot over time, they probably wont work.
I use wget frequently. Not fussed there.
>
>
>
>
>>>No 'agent' is not the standard, there are RFC documents that are, try reading those.
>>>Anyways this is the best newsreader that exists for Linux, IMNSHO, and the closest one ever gets to agent.
>>>
>>>Come to think of it, 'text plain' could be replaced in the sender by 'text ltspice'.
>>>And then I could have it automatically start LTspice here by adding that to the helper list.
>>>Now all we need is to propose that mime type to the internet community in the form of an amendment to the appropriate rfc.
>>>Maybe such a type already exists.
>>>Of course it is all for the extremely lazy, as you can just save text plain and use that.
Way my Agent is set up, text/plain triggers my favourite editor, which
currently complains it cannot load the attachment, so I too have a setup
issue here.
>>
>>Well, that's how the discussion arose, Jim T. is trying to save seconds per
>>day :) Older you get, the more precious your time is?? I'm starting to feel
>>that way and I'm decades younger than Jim.
>>
>>Grant.
>
>It is purely theoretical, if you are happy doing it that way or happy doing it the other way
>is what counts.
>Time spend happy is time used well.
Yes, very true :)
>
>For me a bit of programming is fun, just like designing some stuff.
Yup.
>But happiness is an internal experience, a state of being, so from that POV it does not really matter what you do,
>just make sure you are in harmony with yourself.
Good place to be.
>To be in harmony with this world is not possible, in fact if I read the news I see madness and war everywhere,
>without reason, as if some fuse blew, or maybe some feedback circuit failed.
>From a larger perspective maybe where the universe is going, who am I to argue.
>Like the storm and rain comes an goes, to be in harmony with the infinite is the way out,
>but also we are just a part of the motion of things, things so big.
>So, maybe WW3 is coming, this all is just a pre-amble, not going to be pretty.
>But in spite of all those dark clouds gathering we can be very happy having fun with our toys.
>hehe
>:-)
>Now ain't that great?
>What more can one wish for.
About right, you retired, semi-retired too? Time is precious when the
pressure is off.
Cheers,
Grant.
Grant
Maybe I should try SeaMonkey, it's the modern incarnation of the old Netscape
Communicator suite, browser plus email and news. Big, slow and cumbersome,
still the favourite of many, Slackware still include it at last look.
Of course Netscape's history was a browser that simply fell over on certain
web content, unix version just as often as the windows one. It was browser
of choice for unix, and in 2001/2 I did a lot of cross-browser javascript
compatibility design, result of which was an online info-sys that renders
properly on modern browsers, yet is unmaintained for the last decade. No
SQL injection attacks. I drift, oops. More coffee!
Grant.
Grant
Wow!? Not tried SeaMonkey?
Grant.
Grant
Because early days Netscape Communicator did it all. Netscape was quite
good during the browser wars but MSFT went out of their way to kill it,
first a free browser to cut Netscape's income, then the standards battle
to confuse web page authors. This was during the 1990s. Netscape went
broke and open-sourced their code, resulting in Firefox, Thunderbird and
SeaMonkey -- that's my memory of the events ;)
Grant.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Clifford Heath
> In Thunderbird it clearly shows the extension as *.asc, not *.txt.
> Software launching should not be based on file contents but on the file
> suffix. But yeah, if someone would use *.asc for a poem or a barbecue
> recipe then it's all screwed :-)
PGP routinely uses .asc (ascii-armoured) for encrypted binary files.
Your attachment showed up as an attachment in my Thunderbird (Linux)
and would have opened in LTSpice with WINE if I had configured that.
Obviously I don't want to launch PGP files into Spice :)
Clifford Heath
ehsjr
No. I don't recall ever setting that up as the default for
.asc - but I may have, long ago. Currently, in Thunderbird's
tools->Options->Attachments dropdown there's a place where the
association could be made, but its greyed out.
There may be a way to "un-grey-out" the thing, or some other
way to get Thunderbird to do it that I don't know.
But Thunderbird does use LT spice as the default when it recognizes
that the attachment is a file with a .asc extension. It opens the
attachment to Warren's file with LT spice, so my suspicion is that
Thunderbird is not recognizing Phil's or Joerg's attachments as .asc.
I posted one as a test, and Thunderbird didn't recognize it, either.
For now, the best I can do is save the attachment to disk. It opens
fine from that.
Ed
Jan Panteltje
<o...@grrr.id.au> wrote in <u87np610m273ib11a...@4ax.com>:
>>>>
>>>>So it is merely a configuration issue on the RECEIVER side.
>>>>
>>>>This is on the Linux newsreader NewsFleX I wrote of course.
>>>> NewsFleX homepage:
>>>> http://www.panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/
>>>>and ftp download
>>>> ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/linux/system/news/readers/
>>>
>>>Jan, are you maintaining NewsFleX? I mean, it's up to date?
>>
>>Yes, as I am using it all the time, it is up to date in the sense that I added some user requests,
>>It does what it has to do, and is great on low bandwidth links (offline reader).
>>I do not understand why anyone would use a different reader,
>>Hardly any changes were needed and made in the last few years.
>>There is even a version for the early eeePC.
>>I am amazed that anyone would pay for a newsreader like agent and MS windows of course.
>
>My excuse? It was before I met unix, then Linux, because once I met a real OS,
>first question was 'how can I do this at home?' :) Been running at least two PCs
>on localnet since, taking the best of both worlds, which for me is windows desktop
>over Linux networking. The software I enjoy tinkering is system stuff and the
>odd web page (mostly http://bugs.id.au, grrr.id.au is less used at the moment.
Just had a look there.
I see you have a program called ip-to-country', so do I:
http://www.panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/ip_to_country-0.2.tgz
I just use the database from http://ip-to-country.webhosting.info/node/view/6
grml: ~ # host bugs.id.au
bugs.id.au has address 123.2.77.8
grml: ~ # ip_to_country -i 123.2.77.8
ip=123.2.77.8 (2063748360) "AU" "AUSTRALIA"
>>While all good stuff is free, like Linux and NewsFleX.
>
>As long as one's time is not counted.
True, but it is time spend well, you actually create and learn something,
unlike re-installing MS windows for the nnn's time, then the only reward is irritation,
and the feeling you should be doing something else than looking at those MS silly commercials while it installs.
So I burned the xp disk :-)
>>And you have the source and can modify it too.
>
>Only times I modified some apps was actually binary mods to make it work better,
>I remember hacking z80 dasm to increase table size back in the '80s, and a card
>solitaire game I had to change name of their .dll to avoid a clash, in the '90s.
There is a z80 disassembler I wrote on my site, command line, C source, Linux:
It is a very good disassembler, you can re-assemble the output no problem and than the binary will be identical.
http://www.panteltje.com/panteltje/z80/
>Plus dongle disconnection from a an expensive app in the '80s ;) Sped it up no
>end by stopping a silly conversation with said dongle, 'yes, it's here'... every
>time one hit main menu.
>>
>Source is too easy in one sense, but may require lots of poking around. Gives
>more confidence that it's available. My name's in the linux kernel for minor
>work, but that project moves way too fast for me to keep up for any length of
>time.
Yep, I did some audio driver mod for 48000 long time ago,
do not think it is the main tree, OSS went out, now it is all ALSA.
>>
>>> Since I've been
>>>using Agent for so long one of the things tying me to windows is finding a
>>>decent (like Agent, or easy to learn) newsreader for Linux ;)
>>
>>Installing NewsFleX is very easy, using the basic functions is even easier.
>
>Yeah, I grabbed the tarball, it GUI?
It is GUI, it was written initially as an attempt to have 'Free Agent' for Linux,
so the look and feel, at least from the basic GUI, is similar.
The original name was 'Secret Agent', sort of a word play to 'Free Agent'.
Nonetheless it has some special crypto in it.
> My linux boxes not really setup for GUI
>at the moment, I use PuTTY terminals, sometimes lots of them. The old idea, GUI
>is there simply to allow more terminals on the screen! :)
You will need the xforms development package installed for it to compile.
>>There are older functions that could get websites and URLs, ftp is supported too,
>>but these days all web browsers will do that for you, and there is now 'wget',
>>so I am not using those features, and, as html changed a lot over time, they probably wont work.
>
>I use wget frequently. Not fussed there.
Yes wget is cool.
>About right, you retired, semi-retired too? Time is precious when the
>pressure is off.
Retired, but still active.
I am in the process of setting up my new physics electronics lab, with some fascinating experiments planned,
got an other part up and running yesterday. These days I am into superconductors, gravity, and time warps.
And the theoretical part that comes with the experiments too, just like every bit is falling into place.
A welcome escape from twenty first century pseudo science.
But it may hit hard on those who are believers in that.
Reality rules, as always.
Jan Panteltje
<o...@grrr.id.au> wrote in <f48np6d25ua9srhla...@4ax.com>:
>
>Maybe I should try SeaMonkey, it's the modern incarnation of the old Netscape
>Communicator suite, browser plus email and news.
I use pine for email, small, fast, and perfectly organised.
Grant
I wanted a database that didn't place me in another state, so I build my own
from the RIR info. Beats hoping some other site doesn't fall over ;)
>grml: ~ # host bugs.id.au
>bugs.id.au has address 123.2.77.8
>grml: ~ # ip_to_country -i 123.2.77.8
>ip=123.2.77.8 (2063748360) "AU" "AUSTRALIA"
grant@deltree:~$ host www.panteltje.com
www.panteltje.com is an alias for panteltje.com.
panteltje.com has address 188.121.54.128
panteltje.com mail is handled by 0 smtp.europe.secureserver.net.
panteltje.com mail is handled by 10 mailstore1.europe.secureserver.net.
grant@deltree:~$ ccfind 188.121.54.128
188.121.54.128 NL:Netherlands
Also, the database is memory resident, so casual enquiries don't suffer
a penalty for searching a disk datafile file. Suits a log analysis app
I have running most of the time.
>
>
>>>While all good stuff is free, like Linux and NewsFleX.
>>
>>As long as one's time is not counted.
>
>True, but it is time spend well, you actually create and learn something,
>unlike re-installing MS windows for the nnn's time, then the only reward is irritation,
>and the feeling you should be doing something else than looking at those MS silly commercials while it installs.
>So I burned the xp disk :-)
Fine, I prefer to not burn bridges, though I have to be paid to write
windows code again, I decided that after looking at setting up their
web server, no thanks ;)
>
>
>>>And you have the source and can modify it too.
>>
>>Only times I modified some apps was actually binary mods to make it work better,
>>I remember hacking z80 dasm to increase table size back in the '80s, and a card
>>solitaire game I had to change name of their .dll to avoid a clash, in the '90s.
>
>There is a z80 disassembler I wrote on my site, command line, C source, Linux:
>It is a very good disassembler, you can re-assemble the output no problem and than the binary will be identical.
> http://www.panteltje.com/panteltje/z80/
I've not been there since '93, glad to be over it.
:-)
Grant.
Joerg
> On 04/05/11 03:19, Joerg wrote:
>> In Thunderbird it clearly shows the extension as *.asc, not *.txt.
>> Software launching should not be based on file contents but on the file
>> suffix. But yeah, if someone would use *.asc for a poem or a barbecue
>> recipe then it's all screwed :-)
>
> PGP routinely uses .asc (ascii-armoured) for encrypted binary files.
> Your attachment showed up as an attachment in my Thunderbird (Linux)
> and would have opened in LTSpice with WINE if I had configured that.
That's what Jim doesn't want to believe :-)
> Obviously I don't want to launch PGP files into Spice :)
>
Yes, that is the problem with suffixes as there are only three letters
but a bazillion programs. There isn't (yet) a conditional association.
Like "consider *.asc an LTSpice file if in a news group but PGP if in
email".
Jan Panteltje
<o...@grrr.id.au> wrote in <f9mop65fc9ej0o1t3...@4ax.com>:
>>Just had a look there.
>>I see you have a program called ip-to-country', so do I:
>> http://www.panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/ip_to_country-0.2.tgz
>>I just use the database from http://ip-to-country.webhosting.info/node/view/6
>
>I wanted a database that didn't place me in another state, so I build my own
>from the RIR info. Beats hoping some other site doesn't fall over ;)
You can just download that database, I have it in my home dir, an older version I am sure.
Where it will go with IPV6 I dunno, you cannot have that many entries in a small database.
>>grml: ~ # host bugs.id.au
>>bugs.id.au has address 123.2.77.8
>>grml: ~ # ip_to_country -i 123.2.77.8
>>ip=123.2.77.8 (2063748360) "AU" "AUSTRALIA"
>
>grant@deltree:~$ host www.panteltje.com
>www.panteltje.com is an alias for panteltje.com.
>panteltje.com has address 188.121.54.128
>panteltje.com mail is handled by 0 smtp.europe.secureserver.net.
>panteltje.com mail is handled by 10 mailstore1.europe.secureserver.net.
>grant@deltree:~$ ccfind 188.121.54.128
>188.121.54.128 NL:Netherlands
Yes, that is right, it is godaddy, they run secureserver, and secureserver.net
has a server in europe, that happens to be in Amsterdam.
I know it is Amsterdam because it has 020 area phone code for their helpdesk link.
But for help I communicate with the US base.
That IP runs multiple servers for many users, I am just in a sub directory.
So it is a fixed IP, but shared.
>Also, the database is memory resident, so casual enquiries don't suffer
>a penalty for searching a disk datafile file. Suits a log analysis app
>I have running most of the time.
Linux will cache it if it is often used, but I only very occasionally look up some IP.
Linux made me lose fear for disk I/O years ago,
I use files for everything, all will be cached.
>>
>>>>While all good stuff is free, like Linux and NewsFleX.
>>>
>>>As long as one's time is not counted.
>>
>>True, but it is time spend well, you actually create and learn something,
>>unlike re-installing MS windows for the nnn's time, then the only reward is irritation,
>>and the feeling you should be doing something else than looking at those MS silly commercials while it installs.
>>So I burned the xp disk :-)
>
>Fine, I prefer to not burn bridges, though I have to be paid to write
>windows code again, I decided that after looking at setting up their
>web server, no thanks ;)
I have written windows code for my job, never found it that great, Visual studio ...
I do not see MS products as bridges, more as a mine field ;-).
>>There is a z80 disassembler I wrote on my site, command line, C source, Linux:
>>It is a very good disassembler, you can re-assemble the output no problem and than the binary will be identical.
>> http://www.panteltje.com/panteltje/z80/
>
>I've not been there since '93, glad to be over it.
I dunno, there are some really complex chips that use z80 based code, mainly from the east,
used in embedded systems. Z80 was (or is) quite efficient code wise.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>Clifford Heath wrote:
>> On 04/05/11 03:19, Joerg wrote:
>>> In Thunderbird it clearly shows the extension as *.asc, not *.txt.
>>> Software launching should not be based on file contents but on the file
>>> suffix. But yeah, if someone would use *.asc for a poem or a barbecue
>>> recipe then it's all screwed :-)
>>
>> PGP routinely uses .asc (ascii-armoured) for encrypted binary files.
>> Your attachment showed up as an attachment in my Thunderbird (Linux)
>> and would have opened in LTSpice with WINE if I had configured that.
>
>
>That's what Jim doesn't want to believe :-)
>
>
>> Obviously I don't want to launch PGP files into Spice :)
>>
>
>Yes, that is the problem with suffixes as there are only three letters
>but a bazillion programs. There isn't (yet) a conditional association.
>Like "consider *.asc an LTSpice file if in a news group but PGP if in
>email".
Never heard of "association" property?
Joel Koltner
news:903a3e...@mid.individual.net...
> Yes, that is the problem with suffixes as there are only three letters
> but a bazillion programs.
The three-letter maximum limitation is actually entirely arbitrary -- I think
it went away back with Windows 95. Momentum is a hard force to counter,
though -- it's a very uncommon program that uses more than three letters; I've
only seen a small handful, and the only one I can name off the top-of-my-head
is SI-Metrix SPICE, which uses, e.g., .sxsch for schematics (...and .sx??? for
other file types).
And of course be default Windows "helpfully" hides the extensions anyway...
making it all that much easier for someone to inadvertently run a virus.
---Joel