Mass Starvation Looming On The Horizon

[Fred Bloggs]

First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.

[Anthony William Sloman]

The US could eat a lot less meat. China has more of a problem.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Fred Bloggs]

Just finished a big helping of all beef hot dogs and corned beef hash a little while ago...


>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

Ball Park angus beef hot dogs are great. Oscar Meyers are a close
second.

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
<f77f40b8-0a64-4d1b...@googlegroups.com>:

>First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally
>food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be
>obvious how this is going to play out.
>

>Threat of =E2=80=98heatflation=E2=80=99 looms large as climate change shrinks

>farm and seafood output, experts say
>
>https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood
>
>Too
>bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this
>one.

In the long term the climate will change, making most of the US inhabitable
Mass migration will follow.
System will break apart, industry will come to halt.
Tribes warlords and cannibalism for food

The new species will be 'the rat',
Add to that the radiation and contamination from the WW3 in 2024 I think it was..

So nothing to worry about.. all in the cosmic (comic?) play of thugs eh I meant things

I wonder, floating on a sailboat and living from uncooked fish (has the much needed vitamins)
oh boy now boat prices will go to the sky...

I have grapes growing in the garden... for the next month it will do for vitamin C :-)
Seen strawberries too.
Plenty of cats and dogs for food,
Learning to set traps, make fire, the usual.
More wolves are coming here too.

Maybe only some microbes or one-cellular life forms will remain.. for a while..
then the sun engulfs the earth and goes out .
Was looking at a documentary about white holes, nobody knows if those exist.
Anyways, must a lot of interesting species and things out there,

Vikinger lander on Mars test was positive for life.
Governments keeping it from us, religious leaders afraid that the people see we are
just an elementary particle chemical reaction.

[Don Y]

On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>> Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.

Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be losing the
family farm in the years to come. No, it can't possibly be *climate* to blame!
They're just bad farmers, right? :>

>> The US could eat a lot less meat. China has more of a problem.
>
> Just finished a big helping of all beef hot dogs and corned beef hash a little while ago...

Tonight was our veggie meal. Shit *green* for a few days.

I keep telling SWMBO that what the meal really needs is some MEAT! <frown>

[a a]

If you glaze millions of acres of farming land with solar panels
so less and less land is left for farming, making food prices to double every 7 years

Present heast waves are due to Coronary Mass Ejections , resulting in
Shoret-Term Climate Changes, due to fluctuations in solar activity

1-year Short-Term Climate Changes clock global economy today

60 C sauna from Africa can kill half of the human population world-wide

[Fred Bloggs]

I settled on Hebrew National, it's definitely a cut above the rest.

[Fred Bloggs]

When things get too out of hand, the powers that be may just set off a nuclear annihilation to instantly bring population down to more manageable levels. Of course they'll disguise what they're doing with some phony excuse for a nuclear exchange war, like "promoting American values."

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 04:35:21 -0700, Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid>
wrote:

>On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>> Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
>
>Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be losing the
>family farm in the years to come. No, it can't possibly be *climate* to blame!
>They're just bad farmers, right? :>

Their problem is that they are too good.

>
>>> The US could eat a lot less meat. China has more of a problem.
>>
>> Just finished a big helping of all beef hot dogs and corned beef hash a little while ago...
>
>Tonight was our veggie meal. Shit *green* for a few days.
>
>I keep telling SWMBO that what the meal really needs is some MEAT! <frown>

Yes, I know the problem. I want proscutto in my raviolis, and she
doesn't.

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.
Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem
is bad politics, not climate change. Climate change is greening the
planet and increasing crop yields.

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 04:54:20 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
wrote:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(15)60897-2/fulltext

"Gasparrini and colleagues report that, first, cold-related deaths
outnumbered heat-related deaths by a factor of nearly 20, overall. "

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.
> >
> >Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say
> >
> >https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood
> >
> >Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
> The main food problem in the USA is obesity.
>
> Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived. The agricultural industry is using vast amounts of herbicide (glyphosate) in combination with GMO crops, over application of fertilizer ( which will be depleted in about 15 years), tons of so-called systemic pesticide seed and spray treatments, surprisingly huge amounts of plastic that isn't recycled, and oceans of water use. There are many, many more dangerous downsides to this miracle of modern agriculture, which is a totally fake claim. Every one of those is an unsustainable destruction of the environment as well as killing a lot of people. Climate change is exacerbating the necessity of these bad practices because of insect pestilence, amplification of competing weed growth, drought, floods, and hellishly high temperatures which drive crop transpiration to the breaking point.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glyphosate-roundup-urine-samples-bayer-monsanto-weed-killing-chemical/

> Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
> replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

That's a really wacky view of farm life and kids. Most of those so-called kids from farm country aren't suitable for farm work, they're just future premature deaths from drug abuse. The drug abuse problem in rural areas of this country is horrendous.

>
> There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem
> is bad politics, not climate change.

Not even close to reality! Their problem is overpopulation in combination with mismanagement of resources and climate change.

> Climate change is greening the
> planet and increasing crop yields.

That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making you insane.

[Fred Bloggs]

Uh-huh, not real interested in drunks in Ukraine and Siberia passing out in the snow and freezing to death...

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

Care about children? You probably relish them dying.

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs

<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.
>> >
>> >Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say
>> >
>> >https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood
>> >
>> >Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
>> The main food problem in the USA is obesity.
>>
>> Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.
>
>Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived.

You will be short-lived. Earth and humanity will do fine.

[Fred Bloggs]

In biblical times, people routinely lived 900 years. Look it up.

[Fred Bloggs]

Apparently no one cares about children. The figure I read was that 3,000 children die of starvation every day in India, and all the while India is exporting grain crops.
Then in addition to the more routine neglect, genocide and war kills way more children than cold weather.
Eastern Europe has a big problem with producing children with brain damage from alcohol poisoning during pregnancy.

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 08:33:32 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs

Confirmed.

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 08:25:27 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs

Some day people will live hundreds of years. Our babies are young, so
we have it in our cells to be young too.

[Jeroen Belleman]

Heaven forbid. We're far too numerous already.

Jeroen Belleman

[John Larkin]

Birth rates fall below replcement as countries develop. By the time
you are 200, you'll likely be tired of having more brats.

We'll probably peak a bit over 8 billion and then slowly decline.

[rbowman]

On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
> On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>> Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
>>>> weathering this one.
>
> Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be losing
> the
> family farm in the years to come. No, it can't possibly be *climate* to
> blame!
> They're just bad farmers, right? :>

Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
<da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:

>On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then
>finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be
>obvious how this is going to play out.
>> >

>> >Threat of =E2=80=98heatflation=E2=80=99 looms large as climate change shrinks

There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads
so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something like that
and want to kill them all it seems.
They think climate change is human made.
However climate change is caused by earth orbit variations, neatly described here:
http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
Milankovitch cycles
If you do a google for those cyclic temperature changes you see that at times CO2 lagged the warm periods.
So it is all political play using clueless green fanatic kids that have been brainwashed by Al Gore
and his polar bear club...
What we should do is bring all the nuclear power on line we can and put aircos in all houses
(hardly any in Europe have those) so we can stay as long as possible,
after that we'd have to move to Siberia where it is cool and kindly ask for Russian citizenship :-)

[Don Y]

<https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms>

"Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1%
of farms and 12% of production."

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:tcbldl$1k6eq$2
@dont-email.me:

> There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.

You are a goddamned idiot. Period.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote in
news:tcbll5$1k85j$1...@dont-email.me:

Except for those that Trump's retarded trade war with China caused
to fail.

[a a]

1-year Short-Term Climate Changes
are due to fluctuations in solar activity,
called coronary mass ejections (CME)

Coronal Mass Ejections

Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs) are large expulsions of plasma and magnetic field from the Sun’s corona. They can eject billions of tons of coronal material and carry an embedded magnetic field (frozen in flux) that is stronger than the background solar wind interplanetary magnetic field (IMF) strength. CMEs travel outward from the Sun at speeds ranging from slower than 250 kilometers per second (km/s) to as fast as near 3000 km/s. The fastest Earth-directed CMEs can reach our planet in as little as 15-18 hours. Slower CMEs can take several days to arrive. They expand in size as they propagate away from the Sun and larger CMEs can reach a size comprising nearly a quarter of the space between Earth and the Sun by the time it reaches our planet.

The more explosive CMEs generally begin when highly twisted magnetic field structures (flux ropes) contained in the Sun’s lower corona become too stressed and realign into a less tense configuration – a process called magnetic reconnection. This can result in the sudden release of electromagnetic energy in the form of a solar flare; which typically accompanies the explosive acceleration of plasma away from the Sun – the CME. These types of CMEs usually take place from areas of the Sun with localized fields of strong and stressed magnetic flux; such as active regions associated with sunspot groups. CMEs can also occur from locations where relatively cool and denser plasma is trapped and suspended by magnetic flux extending up to the inner corona - filaments and prominences. When these flux ropes reconfigure, the denser filament or prominence can collapse back to the solar surface and be quietly reabsorbed, or a CME may result. CMEs travelling faster than the background solar wind speed can generate a shock wave. These shock waves can accelerate charged particles ahead of them – causing increased radiation storm potential or intensity.

Important CME parameters used in analysis are size, speed, and direction. These properties are inferred from orbital satellites’ coronagraph imagery by SWPC forecasters to determine any Earth-impact likelihood. The NASA Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) carries a coronagraph – known as the Large Angle and Spectrometric Coronagraph (LASCO). This instrument has two ranges for optical imaging of the Sun’s corona: C2 (covers distance range of 1.5 to 6 solar radii) and C3 (range of 3 to 32 solar radii). The LASCO instrument is currently the primary means used by forecasters to analyze and categorize CMEs; however another coronagraph is on the NASA STEREO-A spacecraft as an additional source.

Imminent CME arrival is first observed by the Deep Space Climate Observatory (DSCOVR) satellite, located at the L1 orbital area. Sudden increases in density, total interplanetary magnetic field (IMF) strength, and solar wind speed at the DSCOVR spacecraft indicate arrival of the CME-associated interplanetary shock ahead of the magnetic cloud. This can often provide 15 to 60 minutes advanced warning of shock arrival at Earth – and any possible sudden impulse or sudden storm commencement; as registered by Earth-based magnetometers.

Important aspects of an arriving CME and its likelihood for causing more intense geomagnetic storming include the strength and direction of the IMF beginning with shock arrival, followed by arrival and passage of the plasma cloud and frozen-in-flux magnetic field. More intense levels of geomagnetic storming are favored when the CME enhanced IMF becomes more pronounced and prolonged in a south-directed orientation. Some CMEs show predominantly one direction of the magnetic field during its passage, while most exhibit changing field directions as the CME passes over Earth. Generally, CMEs that impact Earth’s magnetosphere will at some point have an IMF orientation that favors generation of geomagnetic storming. Geomagnetic storms are classified using a five-level NOAA Space Weather Scale. SWPC forecasters discuss analysis and geomagnetic storm potential of CMEs in the forecast discussion and predict levels of geomagnetic storming in the 3-day forecast.

*Images courtesy of NASA and the SOHO and STEREO missions
Tags:
phenomenon
Earth Sun Relationship:
near_sun


https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/coronal-mass-ejections

[John Larkin]

About the most powerful political force is hungry people.

[Fred Bloggs]

Those crazy sun cycles are way long cycles and we're not near any of them. The eccentricity of our current orbit is a fraction of a percent (IIRC) of what those worst case cycles allow, and as of now the distance from sun to earth varies by less than 3 million miles summer to winter. The MUCH MUCH stronger effect is the Earth tilting on its axis.
Like it or not the most significant influence that's warming the Earth and pushing the climate to a state of uninhabitability by mankind is excessive greenhouse gas emissions. You can't possibly dispute the Earth's energy imbalance- that's a pretty simple concept to understand- it was very difficult to measure but they finally did it with space based instrumentation. The imbalance will cause the planet to heat to enough of a temperature differential for the heat to escape despite the impedance of atmospheric absorption by the greenhouse gases, a new equilibrium that won't be reached if they keep adding more greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.
There are too many people, nature is being overdrawn, it is a collective suicide whether there is global warming or not.

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:14:53 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:

<snipped jackass>

You already have NASA telling you this sun eruption activity does not effect Earth's warming. But you keep linking to it like it does. You're an idiot from hell.

[Joe Gwinn]

On a related issue, after this or that revolt somewhere, I would ask
my young friends what would it take to get their fathers to take the
rifle down from the living room mantle piece and go into the streets
to fight. Stunned silence.

But they would allow that being unable to live and feed their family
would certainly do it.

Joe Gwinn

[Fred Bloggs]

Depends. It doesn't happen in places like Cuba and Venezuela.

[Fred Bloggs]

That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management. Another thing they don't mention is that a lot of these small farms can't support themselves with the farm so at least one of the owners works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they're not mentioning is there's a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of no goods who register as agricultural for purposes of tax breaks, subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood wipe it all out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop without having to lift a finger.

[a a]

Food from small, family farms is healthier because it contains fewer highly toxic, cancerogenic chemicals.

Large farms are managed like every industry branch

Profit, profit, profit
credit, credit, credit

So small, family owned farms should be donated.

Otherwise, businesses like Monsanto, Bayer take control over large parts of farming land in USA, India, Africa,
turning small farmers into farm workers

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 4:49:56 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
> On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 22:18:29 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
> > > On 8/2/2022 9:56 AM, rbowman wrote:
> > > > On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
> > > >> On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > >>>>> Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
> > > >>>>> weathering this one.
> > > >>
> > > >> Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be losing
> > > >> the
> > > >> family farm in the years to come. No, it can't possibly be *climate* to
> > > >> blame!
> > > >> They're just bad farmers, right? :>
> > > >
> > > > Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.
> > > <https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms>
> > >
> > > "Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
> > > agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
> > > production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
> > > almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
> > > Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
> > > production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1%
> > > of farms and 12% of production."
> > That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management. Another thing they don't mention is that a lot of these small farms can't support themselves with the farm so at least one of the owners works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they're not mentioning is there's a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of no goods who register as agricultural for purposes of tax breaks, subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood wipe it all out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop without having to lift a finger.
> Food from small, family farms is healthier because it contains fewer highly toxic, cancerogenic chemicals.

That's a bunch of ignorant bull. Those small farms could be doing anything to the crops because they're not government monitored/inspected like the big operations...

>
> Large farms are managed like every industry branch
>
> Profit, profit, profit
> credit, credit, credit
>
> So small, family owned farms should be donated.
>
> Otherwise, businesses like Monsanto, Bayer take control over large parts of farming land in USA, India, Africa,
> turning small farmers into farm workers

LOL- Bayer is buying up farmland???

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:gooiehdbomo8pdf48...@4ax.com:

> About the most powerful political force is hungry people.
>

You must need a math course.

There are nearly 8 billion folks here. Only about 7 billion get fed
every day. That hardly makes your statement valid in any way.

[a a]

Farmland is controlled by money
Money is controlled by BIG Pharma

Smart humans buy farm products from small, family operated farms to live longer.

Are you a kid ?

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:03:55 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
> >On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

> >> Climate change is greening the planet and increasing crop yields.
> >
> >That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment
with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making you insane.
>
> There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.

There aren't.

> Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
> The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something like that and want to kill them all it seems.

The problem is that the Netherlands raise lots of cows and pigs in very confined areas, and al those cows and pigs piss out urea, which contaminates the soil and the ground-water in the area

https://www.soilassociation.org/causes-campaigns/fixing-nitrogen-the-challenge-for-climate-nature-and-health/the-impacts-of-nitrogen-pollution/

> They think climate change is human made.

They are right.

> However climate change is caused by earth orbit variations, neatly described here:
> http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
> Milankovitch cycles
> If you do a google for those cyclic temperature changes you see that at times CO2 lagged the warm periods.

But we shouldn't be seeing it now. We are already in an interglacial and the tiny Milankovitch effects should be pushing us towards a new ice age. Dumping lots of CO2 into the atmosphere can help get you out of an ice age (where atmospheric CO2 levels sit around 180 ppm) to an interglacial (where they sit around 270 ppm, as ours did until we started burning fossil carbon for fuel and have now got it up to 412 ppm).

> So it is all political play using clueless green fanatic kids that have been brainwashed by Al Gore and his polar bear club...

Al Gore just popularised the science at the point where the evidence for anthropogenic global warming became totally obvious.

> What we should do is bring all the nuclear power on line we can and put aircos in all houses (hardly any in Europe have those) so we can stay as long as possible, after that we'd have to move to Siberia where it is cool and kindly ask for Russian citizenship :-)

The sort of plan that Jan Panteltje could be relied on to come up with. Not one that would work.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:48:03 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:03:12 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
> >>On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

> >There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
> >Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads
> >so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..

Trust Jam Panteltje to get it wrong.

> About the most powerful political force is hungry people.

The Netherlands is about the last place on earth where you will find hungry people. It has loads of greedy people - like the livestock farmers who insists over-stocking their farms to the point that the nitrogen waste (urine) from the beasts pollutes the local water table - but the Dutch have been well-feed and tall for the last few thousand years. Dante commented on their height around 1320.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[corvid]

On 8/2/22 13:18, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> <https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms>
>>
>>
>> "Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
>> agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
>> production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
>> almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
>> Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
>> production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1% of
>> farms and 12% of production."
> That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than
> the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management.
> Another thing they don't mention is that a lot of these small farms
> can't support themselves with the farm so at least one of the owners
> works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that
> sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they're
> not mentioning is there's a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of
> no goods who register as agricultural for purposes of tax breaks,
> subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a
> bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing
> beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood
> wipe it all out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop
> without having to lift a finger.

USDA does mention part of that.

https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2010/05/18/small-farms-big-differences

"In fact, all of the growth occurred among farms under $1,000 in sales.
These are classified as farms so long as they have enough land or
livestock to generate $1000, whether or not actual sales reach that
level. Most of these operations are better described as rural
residences; the households on these farms – and on many other small
farms – rely heavily on off-farm income."

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 13:00:34 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
<b3430621-cdd2-4091...@googlegroups.com>:

>On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:03:55 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
>>
><bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
>> >On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
>>
>>wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then
>>
>>finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should
>be
>> >obvious how this is going to play out.
>> >> >

>> >> >Threat of =3DE2=3D80=3D98heatflation=3DE2=3D80=3D99 looms large as climate

Well, that is a dark picture you show.
Sure ... the next species .. if any ... will be more adapted...
But now we need to get rid of the green fanatics and make sure we have the technology to
stay alive, and that means nuclear.
THE MARKET FOR AIRCOS IN EUROPE IS A BIG ONE NOTE!!! (for the industry and investors)

Technology is our means of living through changes
Not brainless green fearful idiots like Merkel in Germany that did shut down nuclear power plants.

Think about that wind energy nonsense .. imagine those few windmills directly driving car wheels
so no losses... ALL THE CARS plus all cooking and heating and cooling..
DAFT!!! They want to go electric cars in a few years.
Somebody should lock up them green anti science weaning polar bear infected puppets!!
No
We are entering the dark ages .. no science .. THAT would be our destruction
Technology CAN save us as species, and in the long run we need nuclear propulsion
to reach other planets too!
Start NOW

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 10:14:49 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a
<mant...@gmail.com> wrote in
<24de3336-7ea8-4dec...@googlegroups.com>:

>On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 19:03:55 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
>>
><bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
>> >On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
>>
>>wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then
>>
>>finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should
>be
>> >obvious how this is going to play out.
>> >> >

>> >> >Threat of =3DE2=3D80=3D98heatflation=3DE2=3D80=3D99 looms large as climate

>from the Sun=E2=80=99s corona. They can eject billions of tons of coronal

>material and carry an embedded magnetic field (frozen in flux) that is stronger
>than the background solar wind interplanetary magnetic field (IMF)
>strength. CMEs travel outward from the Sun at speeds ranging from slower than
>250 kilometers per second (km/s) to as fast as near 3000 km/s. The fastest
>Earth-directed CMEs can reach our planet in as little as 15-18 hours. Slower
>CMEs can take several days to arrive. They expand in size as they propagate
>away from the Sun and larger CMEs can reach a size comprising nearly
>a quarter of the space between Earth and the Sun by the time it reaches our
>planet.
>
>The more explosive CMEs generally begin when highly twisted magnetic field structures

>(flux ropes) contained in the Sun=E2=80=99s lower corona become too
>stressed and realign into a less tense configuration =E2=80=93 a process

>called magnetic reconnection. This can result in the sudden release of electromagnetic
>energy in the form of a solar flare; which typically accompanies

>the explosive acceleration of plasma away from the Sun =E2=80=93 the CME.

>These types of CMEs usually take place from areas of the Sun with localized
>fields of strong and stressed magnetic flux; such as active regions associated
>with sunspot groups. CMEs can also occur from locations where relatively
>cool and denser plasma is trapped and suspended by magnetic flux extending
>up to the inner corona - filaments and prominences. When these flux ropes
>reconfigure, the denser filament or prominence can collapse back to the
>solar surface and be quietly reabsorbed, or a CME may result. CMEs travelling
>faster than the background solar wind speed can generate a shock wave.

>These shock waves can accelerate charged particles ahead of them =E2=80=93

>causing increased radiation storm potential or intensity.
>
>Important CME parameters used in analysis are size, speed, and direction. These

>properties are inferred from orbital satellites=E2=80=99 coronagraph imagery

>by SWPC forecasters to determine any Earth-impact likelihood. The NASA

>Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) carries a coronagraph =E2=80=93

>known as the Large Angle and Spectrometric Coronagraph (LASCO). This instrument

>has two ranges for optical imaging of the Sun=E2=80=99s corona: C2

>(covers distance range of 1.5 to 6 solar radii) and C3 (range of 3 to 32 solar
>radii). The LASCO instrument is currently the primary means used by forecasters
>to analyze and categorize CMEs; however another coronagraph is on
>the NASA STEREO-A spacecraft as an additional source.
>
>Imminent CME arrival is first observed by the Deep Space Climate Observatory
>(DSCOVR) satellite, located at the L1 orbital area. Sudden increases in density,
>total interplanetary magnetic field (IMF) strength, and solar wind speed
>at the DSCOVR spacecraft indicate arrival of the CME-associated interplanetary
>shock ahead of the magnetic cloud. This can often provide 15 to 60

>minutes advanced warning of shock arrival at Earth =E2=80=93 and any possible

>sudden impulse or sudden storm commencement; as registered by Earth-based
>magnetometers.
>
>Important aspects of an arriving CME and its likelihood for causing more intense
>geomagnetic storming include the strength and direction of the IMF beginning
>with shock arrival, followed by arrival and passage of the plasma cloud
>and frozen-in-flux magnetic field. More intense levels of geomagnetic storming
>are favored when the CME enhanced IMF becomes more pronounced and prolonged
>in a south-directed orientation. Some CMEs show predominantly one
>direction of the magnetic field during its passage, while most exhibit changing
>field directions as the CME passes over Earth. Generally, CMEs that impact

>Earth=E2=80=99s magnetosphere will at some point have an IMF orientation

>that favors generation of geomagnetic storming. Geomagnetic storms are classified
>using a five-level NOAA Space Weather Scale. SWPC forecasters discuss
>analysis and geomagnetic storm potential of CMEs in the forecast discussion
>and predict levels of geomagnetic storming in the 3-day forecast.
>
>*Images courtesy of NASA and the SOHO and STEREO missions
>Tags:
>phenomenon
>Earth Sun Relationship:
>near_sun
>
>
>https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/coronal-mass-ejections

Yup, we need good tech to survive nature's plays.

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 18:17:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
<64b60791-65dd-49ba...@googlegroups.com>:

>On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:03:55 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
>>
>>On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
>wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> >> Climate change is greening the planet and increasing crop yields.
>> >
>> >That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation
>is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an
>appointment
>with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making you insane.
>>
>>
>There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
>
>There aren't.
>
>>Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways
>>and roads so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
>> The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something
>like that and want to kill them all it seems.
>
>The problem is that the Netherlands raise lots of cows and pigs in very confined
>areas, and al those cows and pigs piss out urea, which contaminates the
>soil and the ground-water in the area

Technology, you can feed that PISS into the same sewage system that is used for us humans
There are a LOT more humans here though so it would be hardly noticed.
Greens are anti-technology because they have no clue
Just like you and your >>> quoting!!!

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:34:06 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 18:17:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in <64b60791-65dd-49ba...@googlegroups.com>:
> >On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:03:55 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >> On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
> >>On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
<snip>

> >> There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
> >
> >There aren't.
> >

> >>Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty. The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something like that and want to kill them all it seems.
> >
> >The problem is that the Netherlands raise lots of cows and pigs in very confined areas, and al those cows and pigs piss out urea, which contaminates the soil and the ground-water in the area.
>
> Technology, you can feed that PISS into the same sewage system that is used for us humans.

Perhaps you could but they don't. The big sewage process plants are close to place with lots of humans, rather than lots of arm animals.

> There are a LOT more humans here though so it would be hardly noticed.

There are 12 million pigs in the Netherlands, and 1.6 millions cows (who produce ten times a much piss per individual as humans). The human population of the Netherlands is some 17 million people, so it would more than double the load on the sewage system, and probably would be noticed.

> Greens are anti-technology because they have no clue.

Not that Jan seems to have much of clue himself.

> Just like you and your >>> quoting!!!

I wonder what he was getting wrong there?

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Don Y]

Yeah, I recall our scout troop spending a weekend harvesting fruit from an
orchard -- then discarding it! But, it allowed the landowner to claim the
land had been "actively farmed". Despicable. (yet most folks had no idea this
was the intent nor that it had, indeed, happened!)

> Then there are a bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going.
> Nothing beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood
> wipe it all out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop without
> having to lift a finger.

Regardless of how effective your *management* techniques, if the crop
won't grow due to environmental/climate conditions, the end result
is unchanged.

Yet another right wing "tree hugger" who'll set up a solar or wind farm
to try to reclaim some of the value of his land (and sell the farm equipment
to someone who is a "good" farmer -- ha!). Heck, he may even switch to
driving an electric vehicle instead of his diesel pickup...

[rbowman]

As Earl Butz said during the Johnson administration, 'Get big or get
out.' He also had the insight that cheap food is very important to keep
the natives from getting restless. Too bad about that 'loose shoes,
tight pussy, and a warm place to shit' crack that got him fired. Too
much candor can be fatal to a politician.

[rbowman]

Ever try to housebreak a cow? Parenthetically one of the loudest voices
against storing nuclear waste in Nevada was a dairy farmer who had been
cited several times for polluting the ground water with his dairy
operation.

[Jeroen Belleman]

There are close to 4M cattle in the Netherlands, over 11M pigs and
100M poultry. Those numbers are not negligible!

Jeroen Belleman

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Aug 2022 08:27:48 -0600) it happened rbowman
<bow...@montana.com> wrote in <jkvev7...@mid.individual.net>:

Yea pollution like caused by fracking is much worse,
there are several examples and have been several lawsuits against industry killing people
by dumping stuff
You won't die from cow shit, good fertilizer,

Then they might as well shoot all dogs... more dogs than cattle in the cities
and those leave their mark everywhere.
Man! and just this week horse shit on the roads here, those recreational
horse riders do not clean up their shit either.

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Wed, 03 Aug 2022 16:54:25 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman
<jer...@nospam.please> wrote in <tce26v$1o3k$1...@gioia.aioe.org>:

Do those 11M include politicians?

[Bob Engelhardt]

On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
[...]
> Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density - "overpopulated"
isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the problem.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-density

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

The USA is mostly a nice place. Some inner cities are bad, and in
general there are too many SUVs.

Productive people do indulge themeslves and their kids, and the UAS is
high on productivity.

I just read that here's a sugar shortage in Cuba.

Sugar. Cuba. Next there will be a sand shortage in Syria and an ice
shortage in Siberia.

There's already a woman shortage in China.

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 12:03:37 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 08:51:18 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
> <BobEng...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >[...]
> >> Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]
> >
> >It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density - "overpopulated"
> >isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the problem.
> >
> >https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-density
> The USA is mostly a nice place. Some inner cities are bad, and in
> general there are too many SUVs.
>

> Productive people do indulge themselves and their kids, and the USA is
> high on productivity.

Not all that high. They do sub-contract a lot of production to places where human labour is cheaper - mostly China in recent years.

The USA is mostly rich - well endowed with natural resources, and it's population density is a low (about a tenth of Europe's) so the people mostly don't get in the way of exploiting them. Australia has an even lower population density and much the same sort of natural resources.

> I just read that here's a sugar shortage in Cuba.
>
> Sugar. Cuba. Next there will be a sand shortage in Syria and an ice shortage in Siberia.

Probably not.

> There's already a woman shortage in China.

The one child policy had some unfortunate side effects.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Fred Bloggs]

Looks like they're listing population per unit of land of the entire country. Of course that's going to be misleading. Below is another table of urban population density, population per unit of land within the city, derived from 2006 data, it's much worse now. U.S. has 140 million people crammed into its cities, and the urban population density is right up there with China and India.
http://demographia.com/db-intlua-area2000.htm
So there you have it, an overindulged population crammed into cities like sardines.

[Fred Bloggs]

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:03:37 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 08:51:18 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
> <BobEng...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >[...]
> >> Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]
> >
> >It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density - "overpopulated"
> >isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the problem.
> >
> >https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-density
> The USA is mostly a nice place. Some inner cities are bad, and in
> general there are too many SUVs.
>
> Productive people do indulge themeslves and their kids, and the UAS is
> high on productivity.
>
> I just read that here's a sugar shortage in Cuba.

"Pérez said the reasons for this season's low production include a shortage of herbicides and fertilizers, a delay in starting up sugar mills, and even a lack of oxygen — which was hoarded by the health sector to combat COVID-19 — needed to repair breakages. He also blamed a lack of fuel and spare tires due to U.S. sanctions."

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/cuba-sugar-harvest-half-expected-sector-crisis-85420083

They better mechanize the harvesting because those workers will die doing that in the heat.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Bob Engelhardt <BobEng...@comcast.net> wrote in
news:ahPGK.558952$vAW9....@fx10.iad:

And also definitely over cult dopeshit indulged, sports bar
dumbshit indulged and militant idiot indulged.

We don't need bear spray and tasers to deal with these idiotds. We
need to hit them with a curare dart so they can then lay there
conscious but unable to move, even as they get added to the alligator
pit odr get made into bait for the feral hog trap pits.

The way they act, it is exactly what they deserve.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:r4knehpm4r2lb20dr...@4ax.com:

> Sugar. Cuba. Next there will be a sand shortage in Syria and an ice
> shortage in Siberia.
>
> There's already a woman shortage in China.
>

There is most definitely a functional neuron shortage in John
Larkin's skull cavity. That's for sure.

[John Larkin]

It's fundamental that Communists wreck whatever people had plenty of.

[John Larkin]

I don't mind that as long as I have women.

[John Larkin]

The cramming was mostly voluntary. Young things graduating from tiny
college dorms into tiny high-rise apartments.

City densities have dropped lately. SF is down about 5%, which makes a
difference. I think more people are liking the idea of moving to a
quieter, greener place.

[John Larkin]

Just because some kid is a shallow airhead who orders bad beer is no
reason to kill them.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:n55oehdu63nid7tc4...@4ax.com:

Show your wife that statement. I am sure she will be pleased that
you used a plural there.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in

news:ai5oeh9bf3otvhipt...@4ax.com:

Bad beer, no. But a choice to IGNORE due diligence and VET a
proven lifelong criuminal and then believe his petty lies and
pathetic insults and then jump on his ill informed Bad Hayride and
vote for the 100% criminal, 100% buffoon is about as stupid as it
gets. Alligator food or worm food is the destiny they deserve.
Especially if they are still riding the dumbfuck's criminal
coattails.

[Jack Webb]

A bizarre nym-shifting troll...

see also...
=?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl ckbirds.org>
=?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice cows.moo>
Banders <snap mailchute.com>
Covid-19 <always.look message.header>
corvid <bl ckb.ird>
Corvid <bl ckbirds.net>
Corvid <bl ckbirds.org>
Cows Are Nice <cows nice.moo>
Cows are nice <moo cows.org>
Cows are Nice <nice cows.moo>
dogs <dogs home.com>
Great Pumpkin <pumpkin patch.net>
Jose Curvo <jcurvo mymail.com>
Local Favorite <how2recycle palomar.info>
Sea <freshness coast.org>
Standard Poodle <standard poodle.com>
triangles <build home.com>
and others...

--
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> residences; the households on these farms É " and on many other small
> farms É " rely heavily on off-farm income."
>
>

[John Larkin]

I have a wife, two daughters, and one grand-daughter. They are all
great and all know one another.

[John Larkin]

Once you kill off the dumbest 25% of the population, who would be left
for you to feel superior to?

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in

news:p6loehtd9la3a3fdq...@4ax.com:

Nice try, TrumpChump.

[Edward Hernandez]

See also these Jake Isks (aka John Doe) troll nym-shift names:

John Doe <alway...@message.header>
John <lo...@post.header>
Judge Dredd <alway...@post.header>
"Edward's Mother" <alway...@post.header>
"Edward's Father" <alway...@post.header>
Edward Hernandez Loves Porn <alway...@post.header>
Edward Hernandez Smells Funny <vi...@post.header>
Jack Webb <myop...@least.com>

Jake Isks (aka John Doe troll) claiming it has never nym-shifted on
Usenet: http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165248158300

In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3...@dont-email.me>
(http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Dope stated:

> Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
> NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope's post ratio
to USENET (**) has been 76.1% of its posts contributing "nothing except
insults" to USENET.

** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
least 3610 articles to USENET. Of which 176 have been pure insults and
2571 have been John Dope "troll format" postings.

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4...@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1...@dont-email.me>:

> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
> CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 4 Aug 2022 22:05:01 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <tchfqc$2trm4$2...@dont-email.me>.

FfOzXKHc2xpR

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 4:49:26 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 10:10:24 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:03:37 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 08:51:18 -0400, Bob Engelhardt <BobEng...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

<snip>

> It's fundamental that Communists wreck whatever people had plenty of.

Communists believe in the leading role of the party, which means that a small group, selected for their enthusiasm for politics, gets to tell the rest of the country what to do. They can be as ill-informed as John Larkin, and - if they are - things frequently go badly wrong. Most forms of government have the same basic problem. Donald Trump's approach to Covid-19 management wasn't all that expert.

Communists don't screw up any more often than other autocracies and the problem is in the autocracy, rather than the political system they claim to believe in.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:55:46 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
<485oeh9j2ivl2m97v...@4ax.com>:

Yes I already did that 25 years ago
After that a Boeing 747 cargo plane crashed into the highrise next where I used to live.
Was in the approach route to Schiphol airport
I did see it coming when one evening in the kitchen on the 9th floor
2 big headlights came at me.. that one went just over the roof.

But then again later I worked a while at that airport on some project ...

Also a lot more violence and burglary in the cities
caught one red-handed in my apartment.
And parking places... And gardens... more here,

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:49:14 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
<h35oeh9hudfn1m4t4...@4ax.com>:

The US is wrecking places all over the world to support its weapon industry,
responsible for so many death, including covid
Destroying competition ...
I was reading Uri Geller was using mind control to disable US nukes or something,
and wants people to help him using mind force.
Is an old song, (We had him in the studio in the seventies, I asked a technician "is he a fake?"
no clear answer).
Anyways I used my telekenetic powers to mess with the core of the local US nuke here, but got hurt somehow
think maybe they added some telekinetic protection or it was just the plutonium?
then just tried changing the color of the wring so in the next check the stuff will be re-assembled wrong.
You know 'red wire or blue wire' which one to cut?' as in those Hollowwood movies.
Did not try very hard on that one but need to be in the mood.
Changing the codes would work too, hey Uri, that is an idea!@

Shit y'r pants CIA!!!!

[Jack Webb]

All the illegals who are replacing them. Tens of thousands per month.
One can imagine some logic in reducing our population given high technology.
But that's not what's happening. Our lower-level population is being
replaced.

[Anthony William Sloman]

Illegal immigrants aren't dumb. It takes energy and enterprise to sneak into a country. Jake Isks is much to dumb to appreciate this.

> One can imagine some logic in reducing our population given high technology.
> But that's not what's happening. Our lower-level population is being replaced.

Not so much replaced as supplemented by people who are willing to work for absurdly low rates of pay, which is why US capitalism has never been enthusiastic about effective border controls. It's also happy about exporting US jobs to countries where the rates of pay are even lower than US levels, but there are some domestic services where this doesn't work. They aren't high tech.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Jack Webb]

All it takes to sneak into our country is leaders who couldn't care less
and/or leaders who want to replace the lower class. That's apparently what
the establishment wants to do and that's one reason why the establishment
hates Donald Trump.

But in fact our current main problem isn't people who are sneaking into
our country. The problem is our current administration DOCUMENTED paroling
tens of thousands of illegal invaders into our country every month,
invaders who won't show up if they ever do have a hearing because they
will be told to leave.

Likely there will be backlash, but that won't stop the trend. Our elected
officials are not in control of America. The Deep State is currently a
well-known force, it has existed for centuries, and has ripened here in
America...

From a London Times article on Nov 11, 1815... "it is in this bureaucracy,
Gentlemen, that you will find the invisible and mischievous power which
thwarts the most noble views, and prevents or weakens the effect of all
the salutary reforms which France is incessantly calling for" (from a
speech by Jean Guillaume Hyde, quoted on Merriam-Webster's site)






Bozo Bill Sloman is an incessant liar from Australia who cannot be
reasoned with. Its fiction never ends.

"the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

"the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
(Bozo being Bozo)

"the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
(Bozo is a textbook cannibal leftist)

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 4:30:58 PM UTC+10, Jack Webb wrote:

Jake Isks is much to dumb to bother to post the test he is reacting to.

> > Illegal immigrants aren't dumb. It takes energy and enterprise to sneak into a country. Jake Isks is much to dumb to appreciate this.
>

> All it takes to sneak into our country is leaders who couldn't care less and/or leaders who want to replace the lower class.

Try it sometime.

> That's apparently what the establishment wants to do and that's one reason why the establishment hates Donald Trump.

The US establishment has been importing cheap labour forever. That was what the slave trade was about.

They hate Donald Trump because he is an incompetent lying half-wit. The only people who don't are those who are too stupid to have noticed this.

> But in fact our current main problem isn't people who are sneaking into our country. The problem is our current administration DOCUMENTED paroling tens of thousands of illegal invaders into our country every month, invaders who won't show up if they ever do have a hearing because they will be told to leave.

But US employers want the cheap labour, so they couldn't care less.

> Likely there will be backlash, but that won't stop the trend.

Jake Isks is the backlash, such as it is. Rational people figure that if he doesn't like the situation it must be good for the rational majority.

> Our elected officials are not in control of America.

Of course they are. Jake Isks doesn't like what they are doing, but that doesn't mean that they aren't in control.

> The Deep State is currently a well-known force, it has existed for centuries, and has ripened here in America...

Of course it is. It is also called a persistent delusion, and Jakes Isks is more flamboyantly deluded than most of the lunatics who believe this kind of nonsense.

> From a London Times article on Nov 11, 1815...

Which was talking about Napoleon's bureaucracy in France.This isn't going to tell us much about problems in America 200 years later, even if it does remind us that conspiracy theory lunatics are always with us.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Jack Webb]

Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

> Jake Isks is much to dumb to... yada yada yada.

My favorite is...

"Your stupid!"

At least that's concise.



Bozo Bill Sloman is an incessant blathering liar who cannot be reasoned

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 7:52:11 PM UTC+10, Jack Webb wrote:
> Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> > Jake Isks is much to dumb to... yada yada yada.
>
> My favorite is...
>
> "Your stupid!"
>
> At least that's concise.

But wrong. It should be "you are stupid" or "you're stupid", both of which happen to both correct and grammatical, not skills you have ever mastered.

Recycling old insults does let you edit out the insults which made you look foolish enough for even you to notice. I don't feel any need to repost any of them.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
news:e9fd4731-c269-448e...@googlegroups.com:

Spot on.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:tcianm$32rsq$1...@dont-email.me:

> The US is wrecking places all over the world to support its weapon
> industry, responsible for so many death, including covid
> Destroying competition ...

You are an idiot. EADS is a perfect example of why.

Several places in the world do better than the US in certain
technologies. And sell better too. You know, idiot, COMPETITION.

You could not be more stupid if you tried.

Had the US and all allied nations not excelled in their defense
sectors, you would be speaking Russian or Chinese, and that would have
been done decades ago.

Just what the fuck do you think the Cuban Missile Crisis was, you
pathetic, stupid old idiot?

Ol' Jan Pan here is about the dumbest electronics person I have ever
seen in my life.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:tcianm$32rsq$1...@dont-email.me:

> Anyways I used my telekenetic powers to mess with the core of the
> local US nuke here, but got hurt somehow think maybe they added
> some telekinetic protection or it was just the plutonium? then
> just tried changing the color of the wring so in the next check
> the stuff will be re-assembled wrong. You know 'red wire or blue
> wire' which one to cut?' as in those Hollowwood movies. Did not
> try very hard on that one but need to be in the mood. Changing the
> codes would work too, hey Uri, that is an idea!@
>

Ol' Jan Pan here displays extreme stupidity with nearly every post
now.

Senile and stupid to start with adds up to a group infesting retard
spewing utter horseshit about the world.

Misogyny is hatred for women. We need to come up with a term for
idiots like ol' Jan Pan here for his retarded hatred of the USA.

> Shit y'r pants CIA!!!!

You are an absloute idiot, and a wholly childish old man.

Ol' Jan Pan here is a bloody disgrace to mankind.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Jack Webb <myop...@least.com> wrote in
news:tcib02$32pev$1...@dont-email.me:

> All the illegals who are replacing them. Tens of thousands per
> month. One can imagine some logic in reducing our population given
> high technology. But that's not what's happening. Our lower-level
> population is being replaced.

You 're an abject idiot along with the rest of the Trump Cult total
retards.

The USA is 100% immigrants, including you, Webb boy. I know of no
native Americans named Webb. So even your ancestry began elsewhere.
In other words, your comments above make you a goddamned utter idiot,
at best.

The only exception are the "Native Americans", and even they came
only after the last ice age passed. But they would have the strongest
claim to NOT being in the "immigrant" group.

You Trumpers are about as stupid as it gets.

[a a]

Uri Geller is all but fake

Wood's metal, also known as Lipowitz's alloy or by the commercial names Cerrobend, Bendalloy, Pewtalloy and MCP 158, is a metal alloy that is useful for soldering and making custom metal parts, but which is toxic to touch or breathe vapors from. The alloy is named for Barnabas Wood, who first created and patented the alloy in 1860.[1][2] It is a eutectic, fusible alloy of 50% bismuth, 26.7% lead, 13.3% tin, and 10% cadmium by mass. It has a melting point of approximately 70 °C (158 °F).[3][4]

Wood's metal is useful as a low-melting solder, low-temperature casting metal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood%27s_metal

Magic Spoon




A metal spoon placed in the hot water disappears. It is made of low temperature melting alloy.

Materials
Soldering iron, dental impression material, plastic coffee spoon, tea cup, tea bag, electric kettle, ceramic plate, burner, test tube, balance

Chemicals
Hot water, Wood's metal, (you can prepare it by melting 10 g bismuth, 2 g cadmium, 5,4 g lead and 2,66 g tin).

Experimental

Prepare Wood's metal by melting 10 g bismuth, 2 g cadmium, 5,4 g lead and 2,66 g tin.
Pour the melted alloy on a ceramic plate.
After cooling crush it on a small pieces.
Prepare enough dental impression material according to the instructions.
Press the coffee spoon into the dental impression material to make a mold (Fig. 1).
Wait to get hard according to the instructions and than remove the spoon.
Place the Wood's metal pieces in the mold and melt them with the tio of the soldering iron.
If needed add more Wood's metal in the mold.
After cooling, remove the metal spoon and if necessary make some corrections of the shape (Fig. 2).

Fig. 1. Mold


Fig. 2. Magic spoons

To demonstrate the magic spoon, boil water and place it in the tea cup with a tea bag.
Then, stir the tea with the magic spoon.
Remove the spoon from the cup and ask the audience what happened with the spoon.

Observation and Discussion

Wood's metal is an alloy consisted of lead, tin, bismuth and cadmium. It is also known as Lipowitz's alloy, Bendalloy, Cerrobend, and Pewtalloy. It is a fusible alloy with a melting point of approximately 70 °C. When a spoon made of this alloy is inserted in a cup with hot tea it melts. It is unusually for a metal – metal alloy to have such a low melting temperature.

Safety Tips
Wood's metal is toxic because it contains lead and cadmium. Therefore contact with the bare skin is thought to be harmful. Wearing protective gloves are required when handling it. Cadmium poisoning carries the risk of cancer and damage to the liver, kidneys, nerves, bones, and respiratory system.
Take precautions to avoid electric shock. Keep electrical equipment away from water or any other liquid, conductive or not.

http://www.m-experiments.com/Magic%20spoon.html

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Jack Webb <myop...@least.com> wrote in news:tcides$32pev$6@dont-
email.me:

> All it takes to sneak

Says "John Doe" the nymshift loser. Sneaky fucktard, eh?

Yep. Yet another retarded nym too.

The story you are about to be is true. You changed your name because
you are as guilty as fuck. Zero innocence in you, fool.

Your name gets changed because you are a pussy. You refuse to
debate, because you are a PUSSY.

Just like your lack of grasp of what torque is. Otherwise you would
know that your choice of a torque source does not match the load.

You are a load though... A load of your mother's shit. They should
shoot her for failing to flush you the moment she shat you.

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 00:49:26 -0000 (UTC),

Yeah, that wasn't bad.

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

Immigrants aren't necessarily dumb. There is selective diffusion to
immigration. The most adventurous and the smartest and the bravest and
the most restless (and the most criminal) tend to emigrate. The upside
of that is the many great foreign-born scientists and engineers and
business types that we get. The US gets so many Nobel prizes partly
because the best scientists tend to emigrate here.

I wonder what is the mean IQ of our illegal immigrants?

Immigrants do initially push down the cost of low-end labor, which
hurts US worker-guys but helps middle and upper classes.

[marty]

On 5/8/22 21:42, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> Misogyny is hatred for women. We need to come up with a term for
> idiots like ol' Jan Pan here for his retarded hatred of the USA.

Sepogyny!

--
Marty

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 5 Aug 2022 04:54:28 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a
<mant...@gmail.com> wrote in
<2ea2b33d-15e8-4eb1...@googlegroups.com>:

>On Friday, 5 August 2022 at 07:44:28 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:49:14 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>>
><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
>> <h35oeh9hudfn1m4t4...@4ax.com>:
>> >On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 10:10:24 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> ><bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:03:37 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
>wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 08:51:18 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
>> >>> <BobEng...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> >>> >[...]
>> >>> >> Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]
>> >>> >
>> >>> >It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density - "overpopulated"
>>
>>>> >isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the problem.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-density
>>
>>>> The USA is mostly a nice place. Some inner cities are bad, and in
>> >>> general there are too many SUVs.
>> >>>
>> >>> Productive people do indulge themeslves and their kids, and the UAS is
>>
>>>> high on productivity.
>> >>>
>> >>> I just read that here's a sugar shortage in Cuba.
>> >>

>> >>"P=C3=A9rez said the reasons for this season's low production include a

>shortage of herbicides and fertilizers, a delay in starting

>> >>up sugar mills, and even a lack of oxygen =E2=80=94 which was hoarded by
>the health sector to combat COVID-19 =E2=80=94 needed to repair

>point of approximately 70 =C2=B0C (158 =C2=B0F).[3][4]

>
>Wood's metal is useful as a low-melting solder, low-temperature casting metal
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood%27s_metal
>
>Magic
>Spoon
>
>

>=09

>
>A metal spoon placed in the hot water disappears. It is made of low temperature
>melting alloy.
>
>Materials
>Soldering iron, dental impression material, plastic coffee spoon, tea cup, tea
>bag, electric kettle, ceramic plate, burner, test tube, balance
>
>Chemicals
>Hot water, Wood's metal, (you can prepare it by melting 10 g bismuth, 2 g cadmium,
>5,4 g lead and 2,66 g tin).
>
>Experimental
>
> Prepare Wood's metal by melting 10 g bismuth, 2 g cadmium, 5,4 g lead and
>2,66 g tin.
> Pour the melted alloy on a ceramic plate.
> After cooling crush it on a small pieces.
> Prepare enough dental impression material according to the instructions.
>
> Press the coffee spoon into the dental impression material to make a mold
>(Fig. 1).
> Wait to get hard according to the instructions and than remove the spoon.
>
> Place the Wood's metal pieces in the mold and melt them with the tio of
>the soldering iron.
> If needed add more Wood's metal in the mold.
> After cooling, remove the metal spoon and if necessary make some corrections
>of the shape (Fig. 2).
>
>Fig. 1. Mold

>=09

>
>Fig. 2. Magic spoons
>
> To demonstrate the magic spoon, boil water and place it in the tea cup with
>a tea bag.
> Then, stir the tea with the magic spoon.
> Remove the spoon from the cup and ask the audience what happened with the
>spoon.
>
>Observation and Discussion
>
>Wood's metal is an alloy consisted of lead, tin, bismuth and cadmium. It is
>also known as Lipowitz's alloy, Bendalloy, Cerrobend, and Pewtalloy. It is

>a fusible alloy with a melting point of approximately 70 =C2=B0C. When a spoon

>made of this alloy is inserted in a cup with hot tea it melts. It is unusually

>for a metal =E2=80=93 metal alloy to have such a low melting temperature.

>
>Safety
>Tips
>Wood's metal is toxic because it contains lead and cadmium. Therefore contact
>with the bare skin is thought to be harmful. Wearing protective gloves are
>required when handling it. Cadmium poisoning carries the risk of cancer and
>damage to the liver, kidneys, nerves, bones, and respiratory system.
>Take precautions to avoid electric shock. Keep electrical equipment away from
>water or any other liquid, conductive or not.
>
>http://www.m-experiments.com/Magic%20spoon.html

Would it not be simpler and safer to use a spoon made of sugar in the hot coffee?
Any food paint could make it look like silvery metal.

My telekinesis experiments go way back to high school days...
It seems to have worked on ByeThen's brain, he started saying funny things.

Could also be a defective Military Industrial Compex Control Chip implant though
or some drugs from his son?

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 5 Aug 2022 11:42:41 -0000 (UTC)) it happened
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote in
<tcivnh$sm1$1...@gioia.aioe.org>:

I see your brain took the same hit as ByeThens

[Jeroen Belleman]

The US gets many Nobel prizes because it's big, not because it has
a disproportionate number of smart scientists. Normalized to the
total population, you're not exceptional at all.

Granted, you're doing better than the EU.

Jeroen Belleman

[Jeroen Belleman]

I don't know where the 'sepo' comes from, but the 'gyny' refers to
women, so this makes no sense.

The 'miso' is 'hatred' so it should be more like 'miso-something',
where the something is some greek-derived term referring unequivocally
to the USA.

Jeroen Belleman

[Jeroen Belleman]

Come to think of it, much of the antipathy against the US dates
from the Bush administrations. How about 'misothamny'? (From
the Greek for bush or shrub.)

Jeroen Belleman

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Jeroen Belleman <jer...@nospam.please> wrote in
news:tcjibf$14rt$1...@gioia.aioe.org:

Ante Amicus Americanus

Non Friend to Americans

[Flyguy]

On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 7:25:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 12:12:47 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.
> >
> > Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say
> >
> > https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood
> >
> > Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
> The US could eat a lot less meat. China has more of a problem.
>
> --
> SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

What, SNIPPERMAN, did you forget the Soylent Green solution?

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

GnatTurd <flysc...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:f0622f9f-d758-45af...@googlegroups.com:

> did you forget the Soylent Green solution?

Retarded fuck like you. Goddamned shame "The Stuff" isn't real,
because you would surely be addicted to it and would blow up REAL GOOD.

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 12:53:06 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 7:25:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 12:12:47 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.
> > >
> > > Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say
> > >
> > > https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood
> > >
> > > Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
> > The US could eat a lot less meat. China has more of a problem.
>

> What, Sloman, did you forget the Soylent Green solution?

I read the story that it originally came from, the science fiction novel Make Room! Make Room! by Harry Harrison, back when it first came out in 1966. Harry Harrison wasn't up to much. As a solution, cannibalism is nonsense, but presumably the kind of nonsense that appeals to you. You would be more useful feeding other people that you are at the moment, but the risk that whatever it is that has wrecked your brain might be passed on to the people who ate your remains, means that it it isn't a solution that anybody sane would recommend. The fact that you like it proves my point.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Les Cargill]

It has an unsustainable number of universities, mainly. The rest of the
Americas should actually do better than the US, outside of immigration
patterns.

Which has a lot to do with the number of universities.

Why the rest of the Americas doesn't beat us all is one my great
unanswered questions.

> Normalized to the
> total population, you're not exceptional at all.
>

Nope! We're the most ordinary of people.

> Granted, you're doing better than the EU.
>

WWII and the post war periods were not kind to the EU. The EU could do
better if the embarrassment could subside. I mean really steer into
the phenomena that we all know now and accept that humans can be that
way, and that allowing people of actual conscience some space is the
only way to prevent it.

America is a strange place, one where we tried being Deliberate about
everything rather than pointing backwards to the path we used to get
here. It breeds a different sort of hilarity.

I think that in a lot of ways, the Canadians have us all beat. At a cost
to them.

> Jeroen Belleman
>

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

rbowman wrote:
> On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:

>> On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>>> Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
>>>>> weathering this one.
>>

>> Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be losing
>> the
>> family farm in the years to come.  No, it can't possibly be *climate* to
>> blame!
>> They're just bad farmers, right?  :>
>
> Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.

It can be. I was born to the wrong sort of Cargill, and until
recently ( the Reaper has had his toll ) it was... familial.

I can claim Henson Cargill as a distant kinsman. See also "Skip a Rope"
( song ) .

Since your brought it up - in the hope that you find as much use for
this as I have - here is a map-UI-based database for farm subsidies.

It's basically a picture of who does farming in the United States.

When you drill down, the recipient is invariably "<x> Family Trust"
where <x> owns trucking, small industry and all manner of things.

https://farm.ewg.org/

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

rbowman wrote:
> On 08/02/2022 10:21 PM, corvid wrote:
>> On 8/2/22 13:18, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>> <https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
>>>> agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
>>>> production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
>>>> almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
>>>> Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
>>>> production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1% of
>>>> farms and 12% of production."
>>> That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than
>>> the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management.
>>> Another thing they don't mention is that a lot of these small farms
>>> can't support themselves with the farm so at least one of the owners
>>> works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that
>>> sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they're
>>> not mentioning is there's a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of
>>> no goods who register as agricultural for purposes of tax breaks,
>>> subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a
>>> bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing
>>> beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood
>>> wipe it all out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop
>>> without having to lift a finger.
>>
>> USDA does mention part of that.
>>
>> https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2010/05/18/small-farms-big-differences
>>
>> "In fact, all of the growth occurred among farms under $1,000 in sales.
>> These are classified as farms so long as they have enough land or
>> livestock to generate $1000, whether or not actual sales reach that
>> level. Most of these operations are better described as rural
>> residences; the households on these farms – and on many other small
>> farms – rely heavily on off-farm income."
>
> As Earl Butz said during the Johnson administration, 'Get big or get
> out.' He also had the insight that cheap food is very important to keep
> the natives from getting restless.

I'd say he finally eliminated food insecurity. We used to get oranges at
Christmas - like "WTF? They got oranges everywhere now" but it was the
bony hand of the Depression offering the orange, from when people went
hungry.

My folks were Silents and the nostalgia for all that privation was
startling and palpable. We didn't know what an orange meant.

They did.

> Too bad about that 'loose shoes,
> tight pussy, and a warm place to shit' crack that got him fired.

Absolutely hilarious. Not everybody should try their hand at songwriting
and that .. might not have been the place to start.

> Too much candor can be fatal to a politician.

Yeah, well. People push the "lose" button all the time. Re Ron White:
"I had the right to remain silent, but I did not have the ability."

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Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

You mean SOY LENTil as intended in the book or the fillum which
.. expanded on it?

My favorite riff on that is from "Waterworld" - "eat recycled food".


Think that one through.

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Les Crgill