OT: Skype issue

Joerg

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Nov 9, 2012, 6:52:42 PM11/9/12

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Folks,

A client asked me to sign up with Skype, so I did. Long story short, it
sorta works but every time I receive an error box "Skype has encountered
a problem and needs to close".

If I do not click "Do not send error report" and leave this error box on
the desktop I can perform camera and audio tests and browse around in
the Skype software menues. The millisecond I click "Do not send" ...
poof ... Skype is gone.

It's Skype SW version 6.0 and the PC uses XP. Web searched turned up
only the usual "fix" to wipe and reinstall everything. Done that, no
improvement. What gives? Older versions more stable?

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Jim Thompson

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Nov 9, 2012, 7:04:42 PM11/9/12

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:52:42 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Huh? The latest version is 5.10.0.116 (as far as I know, I get
automatic updates).

Based on your prior complaints I'd guess it to be just a Joergasm...
nothing is going to work properly for you >:-}

There _was_ a bad release, which was corrected the next day. Maybe
you should seek out ~v5 and start from there. Do you know to turn off
virus checkers and all active programs prior to an install, so that
all DLL's are up to date?

...Jim Thompson
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Joerg

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Nov 9, 2012, 7:54:56 PM11/9/12

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Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:52:42 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> A client asked me to sign up with Skype, so I did. Long story short, it
>> sorta works but every time I receive an error box "Skype has encountered
>> a problem and needs to close".
>>
>> If I do not click "Do not send error report" and leave this error box on
>> the desktop I can perform camera and audio tests and browse around in
>> the Skype software menues. The millisecond I click "Do not send" ...
>> poof ... Skype is gone.
>>
>> It's Skype SW version 6.0 and the PC uses XP. Web searched turned up
>> only the usual "fix" to wipe and reinstall everything. Done that, no
>> improvement. What gives? Older versions more stable?
>
> Huh? The latest version is 5.10.0.116 (as far as I know, I get
> automatic updates).
>

Nope, 6.0.0.120. And maybe that could be the problem?

> Based on your prior complaints I'd guess it to be just a Joergasm...
> nothing is going to work properly for you >:-}
>

So why did NetMeeting, NetConnect, Go-To-Meeting and all that work
flawlessly right off the bat? I guess they must have done something
right. Problem is, when you have many clients they use lots of different
web meeting services.

> There _was_ a bad release, which was corrected the next day. Maybe
> you should seek out ~v5 and start from there. Do you know to turn off
> virus checkers and all active programs prior to an install, so that
> all DLL's are up to date?
>

If that's needed that would be a poor performance. For the last install
I did. Did not make any difference. I found tons of web links where
people complained about the very same issue. No solutions other than to
try older versions "until one sticks". So I guess I have to search
around for older versions then. Found some but I won't download stuff
from unknown sites.

Jamie

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Nov 9, 2012, 8:05:28 PM11/9/12

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Be careful with CNET.

Jamie

lang...@fonz.dk

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Nov 9, 2012, 8:02:03 PM11/9/12

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I think that is usually as sign of a missing or old dotnet framework

-Lasse

Joerg

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Nov 9, 2012, 8:08:58 PM11/9/12

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Hmm, I recently updated that. But shouldn't a software be smart enough
to detect that and signal according instead of just crashing? In
hardware I'd never get away with "performance" like that.

Jim Thompson

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Nov 9, 2012, 8:14:39 PM11/9/12

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:54:56 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:52:42 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> A client asked me to sign up with Skype, so I did. Long story short, it
>>> sorta works but every time I receive an error box "Skype has encountered
>>> a problem and needs to close".
>>>
>>> If I do not click "Do not send error report" and leave this error box on
>>> the desktop I can perform camera and audio tests and browse around in
>>> the Skype software menues. The millisecond I click "Do not send" ...
>>> poof ... Skype is gone.
>>>
>>> It's Skype SW version 6.0 and the PC uses XP. Web searched turned up
>>> only the usual "fix" to wipe and reinstall everything. Done that, no
>>> improvement. What gives? Older versions more stable?
>>
>> Huh? The latest version is 5.10.0.116 (as far as I know, I get
>> automatic updates).
>>
>
>Nope, 6.0.0.120. And maybe that could be the problem?
>
>
>> Based on your prior complaints I'd guess it to be just a Joergasm...
>> nothing is going to work properly for you >:-}
>>
>
>So why did NetMeeting, NetConnect, Go-To-Meeting and all that work
>flawlessly right off the bat? I guess they must have done something
>right. Problem is, when you have many clients they use lots of different
>web meeting services.

You're always complaining, "So-and-so program crashes all the time".
Which is it?

>
>
>> There _was_ a bad release, which was corrected the next day. Maybe
>> you should seek out ~v5 and start from there. Do you know to turn off
>> virus checkers and all active programs prior to an install, so that
>> all DLL's are up to date?
>>
>
>If that's needed that would be a poor performance. For the last install
>I did. Did not make any difference. I found tons of web links where
>people complained about the very same issue. No solutions other than to
>try older versions "until one sticks". So I guess I have to search
>around for older versions then. Found some but I won't download stuff
>from unknown sites.

How do you conclude that? You don't like updating DLL's?

lang...@fonz.dk

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Nov 9, 2012, 8:21:48 PM11/9/12

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On 10 Nov., 02:09, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

you'd think so, but in a way it is understandable that if it
doesn't exist and the OS from before it existed it can't tell you it
is missing it has no idea

chicken and egg you know

-Lasse

Jim Thompson

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Nov 9, 2012, 8:23:39 PM11/9/12

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:08:58 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
[snip]

>>
>> I think that is usually as sign of a missing or old dotnet framework
>>
>
>Hmm, I recently updated that. But shouldn't a software be smart enough
>to detect that and signal according instead of just crashing? In
>hardware I'd never get away with "performance" like that.

Why don't you just skip Skype? You're just sullying my bandwidth >:-}

Joerg

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Nov 9, 2012, 8:43:37 PM11/9/12

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From the web conferencing apps only one: Cisco Webex. They spent quite
some time diagnosing it with me (after a client complained to them).
Turned out that one has to disable popup blocker plus uncheck the
scurity setting that prevents web sites from installing (!) add-ons.
Couldn't believe it. So now the drill is that whenever I need to enter a
Webex conference I uncheck this and then at the end re-check it.

Even when Software is behaving in such, ahem, "suboptimal" fashion why
on earth can't it let off a meaningful error message instead of
freezing? Or to say it a bit arrogantly, in my work I do better than that.

The other two are Acrobat Reader which was voted off this here
computation machine and replaced by more robust SW -> Fixed. The third
one is Orcad PSpice. When the rental license ran out I celebrated by
popping the cork of a bottle of "Fin du Monde" :-)

>>
>>> There _was_ a bad release, which was corrected the next day. Maybe
>>> you should seek out ~v5 and start from there. Do you know to turn off
>>> virus checkers and all active programs prior to an install, so that
>>> all DLL's are up to date?
>>>
>> If that's needed that would be a poor performance. For the last install
>> I did. Did not make any difference. I found tons of web links where
>> people complained about the very same issue. No solutions other than to
>> try older versions "until one sticks". So I guess I have to search
>> around for older versions then. Found some but I won't download stuff
>>from unknown sites.
>
> How do you conclude that? You don't like updating DLL's?
>

I do not allow downloads from site that I do not know and thus will not
trust. Simple as that. When a "recommended" download is from something
like www.uncleleroyshackworks.com I won't do it.

After some more searching in post from myriad people with the exact same
issue one guy said the same thing that seemse to "work" here: Do not
click anything in the error box, move it off screen, then when done with
Skype pull it back and close Skype by hitting a key in that box, upon
which it kind of crashes away. That solution reminded me of the old Opel
Kadett. Often the starter solenoid wouldn't pull in. So the drill was to
carry a 1/2lbs hammer at all times because that "fixed" it for one start
process at a time.

Joerg

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Nov 9, 2012, 8:46:20 PM11/9/12

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The hardware I design is better than that. When it encounters a missing
link, such as another module that isn't plugged in or isn't responding
as expected it will alert the user with a rather explicit message. It
won't just go on the fritz or turn off.

Joerg

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Nov 9, 2012, 8:48:37 PM11/9/12

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Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:08:58 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> [snip]
>>> I think that is usually as sign of a missing or old dotnet framework
>>>
>> Hmm, I recently updated that. But shouldn't a software be smart enough
>> to detect that and signal according instead of just crashing? In
>> hardware I'd never get away with "performance" like that.
>
> Why don't you just skip Skype? You're just sullying my bandwidth >:-}
>

As I said, I have to use it so I wondered whether someone knows how to
fix this bug.

Jim Thompson

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Nov 9, 2012, 8:48:43 PM11/9/12

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:43:37 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>

You're beyond hope. Your paranoia is keeping you from working
software. But that's good, you're not intruding on my bandwidth >:-}

Joerg

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Nov 9, 2012, 8:51:35 PM11/9/12

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> software. ...

Proper software always works here.

> ... But that's good, you're not intruding on my bandwidth >:-}
>

Oh I can use the bandwidth. By just swiping the error message under the
rug and not clicking in it.

Jim Thompson

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Nov 9, 2012, 8:52:42 PM11/9/12

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:48:37 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

It's your own private bug :-)

Nico Coesel

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Nov 9, 2012, 8:54:37 PM11/9/12

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Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:52:42 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> A client asked me to sign up with Skype, so I did. Long story short, it
>>> sorta works but every time I receive an error box "Skype has encountered
>>> a problem and needs to close".
>>>
>>> If I do not click "Do not send error report" and leave this error box on
>>> the desktop I can perform camera and audio tests and browse around in
>>> the Skype software menues. The millisecond I click "Do not send" ...
>>> poof ... Skype is gone.
>>>
>>> It's Skype SW version 6.0 and the PC uses XP. Web searched turned up
>>> only the usual "fix" to wipe and reinstall everything. Done that, no
>>> improvement. What gives? Older versions more stable?
>>
>> Huh? The latest version is 5.10.0.116 (as far as I know, I get
>> automatic updates).
>>
>
>Nope, 6.0.0.120. And maybe that could be the problem?
>
>
>> Based on your prior complaints I'd guess it to be just a Joergasm...
>> nothing is going to work properly for you >:-}
>>
>
>So why did NetMeeting, NetConnect, Go-To-Meeting and all that work
>flawlessly right off the bat? I guess they must have done something
>right. Problem is, when you have many clients they use lots of different
>web meeting services.

Pfff. I tell clients to use the phone. Nowadays there are loads of
telephone conferencing services which are really easy to use. I gave
up on those netmeeting thingies about a decade ago. Too much wasted
hours without pay.

My kids use Skype but they have Windows 7 on their PCs. Dunno how they
got it to work but it does even on non-administrator accounts.

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indicates you are not using the right tools...
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lang...@fonz.dk

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Nov 9, 2012, 9:00:01 PM11/9/12

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in a way that is what windows is doing, it's telling you that
a program is doing something it doesn't understand

-Lasse

Jamie

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Nov 9, 2012, 9:15:19 PM11/9/12

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An Installed debugger would tell alot more about what the program
actually did that caused the event.

Most likely some hack was done in the software to determine a specific
condition, a rare condition, one that may not be able to be determine
via a standard API call, or some hack coder that does not know what they
are doing and the error has been there in many releases except this
time, it just happens to hitting out side some boundary that is faulting
the OS.

Many times an error can be carried from one version to another but
never detected due to where it is in the code but one day, a little
change in code and bam, that little error now is causing all kinds of
problems.

One common problem is the release of a handle to some resource and
then the reuse of it future down the code strip. Many times that handle
may still point to some useable data that will not cause havoc but one
day, things change where the OS may then need that resource elsewhere or
just give it to some other app and now your program accesses data that
is not longer valid..

Etc..

Jamie

Michael A. Terrell

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Nov 9, 2012, 10:32:19 PM11/9/12

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Microsoft released a bad .net update a few years ago, which screws up
a lot of things. They corrected it, but reused the KB number which
makes it a ain in the ass to fix without uninstalling all of .net and
reinstalling it and hundreds of updates.

MakeNoAttemptToAdjustYourSet

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Nov 9, 2012, 11:22:16 PM11/9/12

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:48:37 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Yeah, dumbshit. STOP turning off essential system services, like dot
net, etc.

Nico Coesel

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Nov 10, 2012, 5:59:02 AM11/10/12

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Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com>

The amount of problems Joerg describe often point to hardware
problems.

Spehro Pefhany

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Nov 10, 2012, 9:06:15 AM11/10/12

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 10:59:02 GMT, the renowned ni...@puntnl.niks (Nico
Coesel) wrote:

>
>The amount of problems Joerg describe often point to hardware
>problems.

You can break it with software too, but you have to work at it.
Default installations of everything with minor tweaks won't do it.

I've got Skype running on about half a dozen devices, never a problem
that I can recall with the program itself (the connections are not
always usable, and less so for video connections, but that's another
story). Everything from a cute little iPod touch to a manly i7 Win7
machine, and through multiple updates (In general, I usually don't
update automatically, just in case it breaks something I'd rather pick
the time and place of failure- Firefox has been breaking things fairly
regularly with updates these days).

It even plays nicely with stealth VPN functions allowing me to tunnel
through the robust national firewalls in certain countries.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Joerg

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Nov 10, 2012, 10:26:01 AM11/10/12

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Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:48:37 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:08:58 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>>> I think that is usually as sign of a missing or old dotnet framework
>>>>>
>>>> Hmm, I recently updated that. But shouldn't a software be smart enough
>>>> to detect that and signal according instead of just crashing? In
>>>> hardware I'd never get away with "performance" like that.
>>> Why don't you just skip Skype? You're just sullying my bandwidth >:-}
>>>
>> As I said, I have to use it so I wondered whether someone knows how to
>> fix this bug.
>
> It's your own private bug :-)
>

Absolutamente not and myriad posts about the same issue on the web
evidence that. Even from our midst issues have been reported:

http://www.electronics-related.com/usenet/design/show/229794-1.php

Quote: "FWIW, my Skype is version 4.1.0.136 and it too was affected when
their network went down. I usually don't upgrade any software until I
absolutely must. Reason: I've been screwed over by "new and improved"
"features" too many times!

Often, the upgrade has more bugs than were supposedly found and fixed
in the prior versions."

Joerg

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Nov 10, 2012, 10:33:14 AM11/10/12

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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 10:59:02 GMT, the renowned ni...@puntnl.niks (Nico
> Coesel) wrote:
>
>> The amount of problems Joerg describe often point to hardware
>> problems.
>

Haven't tried with this SW but other SW problems manifested themselves
on machines of at least three different mfg. They were also corroborated
by others, including people on this NG. Orcad crashes anyone? So HW
problem can be pretty much excluded.

> You can break it with software too, but you have to work at it.
> Default installations of everything with minor tweaks won't do it.
>

Some software is of astoundingly poor quality. Some I've encountered in
my professional life where I was "Mr.Crash-it". No joke, once a machine
sat there with a blue-screen. A guy came along. "What happened? I've
never seen that!" ... "Oh, this one has just been joerged".

It wasn't our guys but 3rd party SW. So we improved that until you could
literally rock the breaker in the panel like crazy and the machine would
always come back correctly.

> I've got Skype running on about half a dozen devices, never a problem
> that I can recall with the program itself (the connections are not
> always usable, and less so for video connections, but that's another
> story). Everything from a cute little iPod touch to a manly i7 Win7
> machine, and through multiple updates (In general, I usually don't
> update automatically, just in case it breaks something I'd rather pick
> the time and place of failure- Firefox has been breaking things fairly
> regularly with updates these days).
>
> It even plays nicely with stealth VPN functions allowing me to tunnel
> through the robust national firewalls in certain countries.
>

Including 6.0.0.120?

Joerg

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Nov 10, 2012, 10:35:24 AM11/10/12

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It's different in my case. I have to see machine parts live and while in
chat. The non-paid overhead time is only time like this, when I have to
find a way around SW bugs.

> My kids use Skype but they have Windows 7 on their PCs. Dunno how they
> got it to work but it does even on non-administrator accounts.
>

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http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Joerg

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Nov 10, 2012, 10:38:34 AM11/10/12

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I think that's close to what happens, considering that DEP had come on
intitially. DEP is rather serious.

Hence my question here. It would be good to know what the "last known
good" version of this Skype SW was, and where to get it safely. Cadsoft
keeps their old versions available almost back to the days of Methusaleh
but I haven't found that on the Skype site.

Joerg

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Nov 10, 2012, 10:41:02 AM11/10/12

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I updated twice this year so should be ok then but .NET in itself is
rather screwed up. On various occasions I had a message pop up that the
.NET version was "too new" for this SW to run. So I had to install older
ones over the new. Crazy.

Jim Thompson

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Nov 10, 2012, 1:05:20 PM11/10/12

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:33:14 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Like I say, I get automatic updates... not fully automatic, Skype
asks.

I don't recognize that version number. It was probably put out by a
virus writer >:-}

Like Spehro, I've had zero problems.

Jim Thompson

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Nov 10, 2012, 1:10:12 PM11/10/12

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:26:01 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>

I don't know ANY people with such a problem, so I think you should
study your "myriad" group for a commonality... something dumb you all
do ;-)

Robert Macy

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Nov 10, 2012, 1:17:03 PM11/10/12

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On Nov 9, 5:04 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:52:42 -0800, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid>

> wrote:
>
> >Folks,
>
> >A client asked me to sign up with Skype, so I did. Long story short, it
> >sorta works but every time I receive an error box "Skype has encountered
> >a problem and needs to close".
>
> >If I do not click "Do not send error report" and leave this error box on
> >the desktop I can perform camera and audio tests and browse around in
> >the Skype software menues. The millisecond I click "Do not send" ...
> >poof ... Skype is gone.
>
> >It's Skype SW version 6.0 and the PC uses XP. Web searched turned up
> >only the usual "fix" to wipe and reinstall everything. Done that, no
> >improvement. What gives? Older versions more stable?
>

> Huh? The latest version is 5.10.0.116 (as far as I know, I get
> automatic updates).
>

> Based on your prior complaints I'd guess it to be just a Joergasm...
> nothing is going to work properly for you >:-}
>

> There _was_ a bad release, which was corrected the next day. Maybe
> you should seek out ~v5 and start from there. Do you know to turn off
> virus checkers and all active programs prior to an install, so that
> all DLL's are up to date?
>

> | E-mail Icon athttp://www.analog-innovations.com| 1962 |

>
> I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

I have the SAME version and just got it for the WinXP [ptui!, curse be
gone!] in October to join in conference calling.
Skype works after a fashion using dial up, just requires patience. But
we tested it, had few drop outs, so went on to sign up for the
conference calls through the required google access, well google, in
the all pervasive intelligence, said dial up is too slow and won't
even let me connect! with skype. It probably wouldn't be too slow if
google didn't hog all the bandwidth for ???

Jim Thompson

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Nov 10, 2012, 1:49:38 PM11/10/12

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:10:12 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:26:01 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>Jim Thompson wrote:

[snip]

>>>
>>> It's your own private bug :-)
>>>
>>
>>Absolutamente not and myriad posts about the same issue on the web
>>evidence that. Even from our midst issues have been reported:
>>
>>http://www.electronics-related.com/usenet/design/show/229794-1.php
>>
>>Quote: "FWIW, my Skype is version 4.1.0.136 and it too was affected when
>>their network went down. I usually don't upgrade any software until I
>>absolutely must. Reason: I've been screwed over by "new and improved"
>>"features" too many times!
>>
>>Often, the upgrade has more bugs than were supposedly found and fixed
>>in the prior versions."
>
>I don't know ANY people with such a problem, so I think you should
>study your "myriad" group for a commonality... something dumb you all
>do ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson

"... something dumb you all do" : OrCAD CAPTURE ;-)

Put it on a separate machine and watch your problems go away.

Joerg

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Nov 10, 2012, 2:21:27 PM11/10/12

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Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:10:12 -0700, Jim Thompson
> <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:26:01 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Thompson wrote:
> [snip]
>>>> It's your own private bug :-)
>>>>
>>> Absolutamente not and myriad posts about the same issue on the web
>>> evidence that. Even from our midst issues have been reported:
>>>
>>> http://www.electronics-related.com/usenet/design/show/229794-1.php
>>>
>>> Quote: "FWIW, my Skype is version 4.1.0.136 and it too was affected when
>>> their network went down. I usually don't upgrade any software until I
>>> absolutely must. Reason: I've been screwed over by "new and improved"
>>> "features" too many times!
>>>
>>> Often, the upgrade has more bugs than were supposedly found and fixed
>>> in the prior versions."
>> I don't know ANY people with such a problem,

You don't know mpm? I thought you once wrote "I live here" (as in "on
s.e.design").

> ... so I think you should

>> study your "myriad" group for a commonality... something dumb you all
>> do ;-)

Au contraire. The Internet is usually one of the fastest ways to find a
solution, for just about anything. I just had to upholster the office
chair I am sitting on right now. Had forgotten how to do round corners
because the last time I did that was almost 15 years ago. 2-3 minutes on
the web ... tada! Done.

>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
> "... something dumb you all do" : OrCAD CAPTURE ;-)
>
> Put it on a separate machine and watch your problems go away.
>

Right. One computer per program. Great idea.

qrk

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Nov 10, 2012, 2:37:08 PM11/10/12

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:52:42 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>

wrote:

>Folks,
>
>A client asked me to sign up with Skype, so I did. Long story short, it
>sorta works but every time I receive an error box "Skype has encountered
>a problem and needs to close".
>
>If I do not click "Do not send error report" and leave this error box on
>the desktop I can perform camera and audio tests and browse around in
>the Skype software menues. The millisecond I click "Do not send" ...
>poof ... Skype is gone.
>
>It's Skype SW version 6.0 and the PC uses XP. Web searched turned up
>only the usual "fix" to wipe and reinstall everything. Done that, no
>improvement. What gives? Older versions more stable?

I've stuck to version 4.2.0.187 for my computers. Many consider this
to be the last "good" version of Skype. It doesn't have ads popping up
and works well. I installed the newest version as of a week ago on
some other computers and it appears to work well except for all the
pop-up ads and shifting desktop to display their pay services.

Joerg

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Nov 10, 2012, 2:37:48 PM11/10/12

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It requires Google access? Didn't say that when installing. I don't even
use Google as a search engine. Do you remember what sort of access?

Joerg

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Nov 10, 2012, 2:46:26 PM11/10/12

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If you really would have automatic updates you would have rcognized that
number:

http://community.skype.com/t5/Windows/Skype-6-0-for-Windows-Desktop-released/td-p/1150536

This is from an admin at Skype, and 6.0.0.120 is the version they are
distributing right now.

[...]

Jim Thompson

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Nov 10, 2012, 3:31:24 PM11/10/12

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:46:26 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

This is what I have...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/SkypVersion_2012_11_10.png

maybe they test the new alpha on newbies ;-)

Jim Thompson

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Nov 10, 2012, 3:32:14 PM11/10/12

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:37:48 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

WHAT Google access?

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Jim Thompson

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Nov 10, 2012, 3:36:31 PM11/10/12

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You can turn all those pop-ups off.

John S

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Nov 10, 2012, 3:45:30 PM11/10/12

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On 11/9/2012 5:52 PM, Joerg wrote:
> Folks,
>
> A client asked me to sign up with Skype, so I did. Long story short, it
> sorta works but every time I receive an error box "Skype has encountered
> a problem and needs to close".
>
> If I do not click "Do not send error report" and leave this error box on
> the desktop I can perform camera and audio tests and browse around in
> the Skype software menues. The millisecond I click "Do not send" ...
> poof ... Skype is gone.
>
> It's Skype SW version 6.0 and the PC uses XP. Web searched turned up
> only the usual "fix" to wipe and reinstall everything. Done that, no
> improvement. What gives? Older versions more stable?
>

Hi, Joerg -

FWIW, I am running Win 7 with Skype version 5.10.0.16 and have had no
problems.

I wonder if there are different versions for different OSs.

Cheers,
John

John S

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Nov 10, 2012, 3:51:28 PM11/10/12

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That's interesting. I loaded Skype and asked for an update ( I have
version 5.10.0.116) and Skype said I have the latest version. Makes me
wonder if your version is a test version.

Well, good luck.

Cheers,
John

Joerg

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Nov 10, 2012, 4:03:16 PM11/10/12

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Possibly. Does anyone know where to get the old version 5? I really
don't want to download from some shady 3rd party web site.

Joerg

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>> the all pervasive intelligence, said dial up is too slow and won't
>>> even let me connect! with skype. It probably wouldn't be too slow if
>>> google didn't hog all the bandwidth for ???
>>
>> It requires Google access? Didn't say that when installing. I don't even
>> use Google as a search engine. Do you remember what sort of access?
>
> WHAT Google access?
>

I don't know, that's why I am asking.

Joerg

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Nov 10, 2012, 4:09:52 PM11/10/12

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I don't think so, but I'll have to go on a hunt for an older version then.

Jim Thompson

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Nov 10, 2012, 4:24:12 PM11/10/12

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:03:16 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>

Back when Skype installs were a downloadable executable, I have saved
setups dated 8/2009 and 5/2011

I can E-mail those to you, if you want.

Jim Thompson

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Nov 10, 2012, 4:25:58 PM11/10/12

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:04:04 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

It's probably there, but I do a lot of things myself, on automatic...
any ALLOW boxes get checked NO :-)

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Spehro Pefhany

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Nov 10, 2012, 4:29:08 PM11/10/12

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:33:14 -0800, the renowned Joerg
<inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>
>Including 6.0.0.120?

Nope, my versions are mostly older 4.x on the peecee.

Joerg

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Nov 10, 2012, 4:35:15 PM11/10/12

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Yes, that would be great! Just the version you have would do, because it
works on your PC which I believe is also XP. Use my email you have, or
click "Reply-to" here, both work.

I just emailed Skype about where to get older versions, because they
won't let me post in support forums either.

Joerg

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Nov 10, 2012, 4:37:08 PM11/10/12

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See? So you are as paranoid about updates as I am :-)

Jim Thompson

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Nov 10, 2012, 4:38:46 PM11/10/12

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:52:42 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>

wrote:

>Folks,
>
>A client asked me to sign up with Skype, so I did. Long story short, it
>sorta works but every time I receive an error box "Skype has encountered
>a problem and needs to close".
>
>If I do not click "Do not send error report" and leave this error box on
>the desktop I can perform camera and audio tests and browse around in
>the Skype software menues. The millisecond I click "Do not send" ...
>poof ... Skype is gone.
>
>It's Skype SW version 6.0 and the PC uses XP. Web searched turned up
>only the usual "fix" to wipe and reinstall everything. Done that, no
>improvement. What gives? Older versions more stable?

Something is odd. I just clicked "Check for Updates" and it says I
have the latest... and I have version 5.10.0.116.

You must have the worm version... you know, the version that sends all
your designs to the competition >:-}

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Joerg

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Nov 10, 2012, 4:38:40 PM11/10/12

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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:33:14 -0800, the renowned Joerg
> <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Including 6.0.0.120?
>
> Nope, my versions are mostly older 4.x on the peecee.
>

With software it is generally like with red wine, older is better.

John S

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Nov 10, 2012, 4:43:04 PM11/10/12

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On 11/10/2012 3:38 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:52:42 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> A client asked me to sign up with Skype, so I did. Long story short, it
>> sorta works but every time I receive an error box "Skype has encountered
>> a problem and needs to close".
>>
>> If I do not click "Do not send error report" and leave this error box on
>> the desktop I can perform camera and audio tests and browse around in
>> the Skype software menues. The millisecond I click "Do not send" ...
>> poof ... Skype is gone.
>>
>> It's Skype SW version 6.0 and the PC uses XP. Web searched turned up
>> only the usual "fix" to wipe and reinstall everything. Done that, no
>> improvement. What gives? Older versions more stable?
>
> Something is odd. I just clicked "Check for Updates" and it says I
> have the latest... and I have version 5.10.0.116.
>
> You must have the worm version... you know, the version that sends all
> your designs to the competition >:-}
>
> ...Jim Thompson
>

Actually, I think you have the worms. See a Veterinarian.

Joerg

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Nov 10, 2012, 5:16:53 PM11/10/12

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Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:52:42 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> A client asked me to sign up with Skype, so I did. Long story short, it
>> sorta works but every time I receive an error box "Skype has encountered
>> a problem and needs to close".
>>
>> If I do not click "Do not send error report" and leave this error box on
>> the desktop I can perform camera and audio tests and browse around in
>> the Skype software menues. The millisecond I click "Do not send" ...
>> poof ... Skype is gone.
>>
>> It's Skype SW version 6.0 and the PC uses XP. Web searched turned up
>> only the usual "fix" to wipe and reinstall everything. Done that, no
>> improvement. What gives? Older versions more stable?
>
> Something is odd. I just clicked "Check for Updates" and it says I
> have the latest... and I have version 5.10.0.116.
>
> You must have the worm version... you know, the version that sends all
> your designs to the competition >:-}
>

The designs are not on the machine :-)

6.0.0.120 is the newest. This was just corroborted by Skype support via
email. They pointed me to this site that has all the versions from
newest back to the one the Pilgirms brought over:

http://www.oldapps.com/skype.php

What I don't know is whether this download site is safe.

Message has been deleted

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Nov 10, 2012, 6:41:49 PM11/10/12

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"Joerg" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:ag822u...@mid.individual.net...

> http://www.oldapps.com/skype.php
>
> What I don't know is whether this download site is safe.

Well, you can never be truely 'safe', but if anecdotes are any help, I've
used that site before. Believe I was downgrading from Acrobat Reader 8
(new crap) to v.5 (somewhat more stable, doesn't support new PDFs). That
was before I discovered Foxit (haven't seen it crash yet, supports new
PDFs), of course. :)

Tim

--
Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk.
Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com

Joerg

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Nov 10, 2012, 8:32:50 PM11/10/12

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Tim Williams wrote:
> "Joerg" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ag822u...@mid.individual.net...
>> http://www.oldapps.com/skype.php
>>
>> What I don't know is whether this download site is safe.
>
> Well, you can never be truely 'safe', but if anecdotes are any help, I've
> used that site before. Believe I was downgrading from Acrobat Reader 8
> (new crap) to v.5 (somewhat more stable, doesn't support new PDFs). That
> was before I discovered Foxit (haven't seen it crash yet, supports new
> PDFs), of course. :)
>

Yup, I also use Foxit. It does have two downside, doesn't render quite
as well and also doesn't allow PDF thumbnails in directories (that was
is a major shortcoming).

But ... it doesn't crash much and that's key. My tolerance level for
poorly written or notoriously crashing software is very low.

lang...@fonz.dk

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On 11 Nov., 02:32, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Tim Williams wrote:
> > "Joerg" <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

I have foxit and pdfs does show as small thumbnails of the first page

-Lasse

Tim Williams

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"Joerg" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

news:ag8di9...@mid.individual.net...

> Yup, I also use Foxit. It does have two downside, doesn't render quite
> as well and also doesn't allow PDF thumbnails in directories (that was
> is a major shortcoming).

True, I've noticed it seems to make Computer Modern look bold on every
other page. Antialiasing error?

I've never had thumbnail PDFs so I can't complain :)

Robert Macy

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On Nov 10, 12:37 pm, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Robert Macy wrote:
> > On Nov 9, 5:04 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-

> > Web-Site.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:52:42 -0800, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid>

> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Folks,
> >>> A client asked me to sign up with Skype, so I did. Long story short, it
> >>> sorta works but every time I receive an error box "Skype has encountered
> >>> a problem and needs to close".
> >>> If I do not click "Do not send error report" and leave this error box on
> >>> the desktop I can perform camera and audio tests and browse around in
> >>> the Skype software menues. The millisecond I click "Do not send" ...
> >>> poof ... Skype is gone.
> >>> It's Skype SW version 6.0 and the PC uses XP. Web searched turned up
> >>> only the usual "fix" to wipe and reinstall everything. Done that, no
> >>> improvement. What gives? Older versions more stable?

> >> Huh? The latest version is 5.10.0.116 (as far as I know, I get
> >> automatic updates).
>
> >> Based on your prior complaints I'd guess it to be just a Joergasm...
> >> nothing is going to work properly for you >:-}
>
> >> There _was_ a bad release, which was corrected the next day. Maybe
> >> you should seek out ~v5 and start from there. Do you know to turn off
> >> virus checkers and all active programs prior to an install, so that
> >> all DLL's are up to date?
>

> >> | E-mail Icon athttp://www.analog-innovations.com| 1962 |

>
> >> I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
>

> > I have the SAME version and just got it for the WinXP [ptui!, curse be
> > gone!] in October to join in conference calling.
> > Skype works after a fashion using dial up, just requires patience. But
> > we tested it, had few drop outs, so went on to sign up for the
> > conference calls through the required google access, well google, in

> > the all pervasive intelligence, said dial up is too slow and won't
> > even let me connect! with skype. It probably wouldn't be too slow if
> > google didn't hog all the bandwidth for ???
>
> It requires Google access? Didn't say that when installing. I don't even
> use Google as a search engine. Do you remember what sort of access?
>

> --
> Regards, Joerg
>
> http://www.analogconsultants.com/

The conference calling service uses google access

I've already got an account there, so I was 'supposed' to be listed as
part of this conference call, but google says that my dial upis too
slow and won't list me. Although I can call the participants
individually using skype and it works better than I expected. I
expected gaps and breaks and multiple sentences, repeating and
repeating, but not really. Just speak clearly and run your words
together and it works fine.

Joerg

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Wow! Maybe I should re-install a neweer version.

Joerg

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Tim Williams wrote:
> "Joerg" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ag8di9...@mid.individual.net...
>> Yup, I also use Foxit. It does have two downside, doesn't render quite
>> as well and also doesn't allow PDF thumbnails in directories (that was
>> is a major shortcoming).
>
> True, I've noticed it seems to make Computer Modern look bold on every
> other page. Antialiasing error?
>
> I've never had thumbnail PDFs so I can't complain :)
>

When you do EMC failure diagnosis you'd really, really miss those
thumbnails :-)

Joerg

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Thanks. I thought one needed that for Skype.

> I've already got an account there, so I was 'supposed' to be listed as
> part of this conference call, but google says that my dial upis too
> slow and won't list me. Although I can call the participants
> individually using skype and it works better than I expected. I
> expected gaps and breaks and multiple sentences, repeating and
> repeating, but not really. Just speak clearly and run your words
> together and it works fine.

Well, I installed an older version I got from Jim ... it still no work!
Except now the SW blitzes off instantly instead of staying on as long as
I don't touch anything in the error message.

Sent an email to Skype support but I guess right now that has them
stumped. No answer yet.

Jim Thompson

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 08:10:31 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Robert Macy wrote:
[snip]

>>
>> The conference calling service uses google access
>>
>
>Thanks. I thought one needed that for Skype.
>
>
>> I've already got an account there, so I was 'supposed' to be listed as
>> part of this conference call, but google says that my dial upis too
>> slow and won't list me. Although I can call the participants
>> individually using skype and it works better than I expected. I
>> expected gaps and breaks and multiple sentences, repeating and
>> repeating, but not really. Just speak clearly and run your words
>> together and it works fine.
>
>
>Well, I installed an older version I got from Jim ... it still no work!
>Except now the SW blitzes off instantly instead of staying on as long as
>I don't touch anything in the error message.
>
>Sent an email to Skype support but I guess right now that has them
>stumped. No answer yet.

You clearly have some conflicts... probably registry and/or DLL
related.

I'm still betting it's CRAPTURE >:-}

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Joerg

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Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 08:10:31 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Robert Macy wrote:
> [snip]
>>> The conference calling service uses google access
>>>
>> Thanks. I thought one needed that for Skype.
>>
>>
>>> I've already got an account there, so I was 'supposed' to be listed as
>>> part of this conference call, but google says that my dial upis too
>>> slow and won't list me. Although I can call the participants
>>> individually using skype and it works better than I expected. I
>>> expected gaps and breaks and multiple sentences, repeating and
>>> repeating, but not really. Just speak clearly and run your words
>>> together and it works fine.
>>
>> Well, I installed an older version I got from Jim ... it still no work!
>> Except now the SW blitzes off instantly instead of staying on as long as
>> I don't touch anything in the error message.
>>
>> Sent an email to Skype support but I guess right now that has them
>> stumped. No answer yet.
>
> You clearly have some conflicts... probably registry and/or DLL
> related.
>

I guess so. I saw on the web that lots of people have found Skype to
cause DEP errors. DEP is part of modern processors (Intel and AMD), so
not part of any of my firewall protections.

> I'm still betting it's CRAPTURE >:-}
>

But the rental license ran out a long time ago, it never starts anymore.
I kept it on the PC in case I ever want to use it as a viewer (Cadence
said viewer use is ok). Maybe I better nuke it then? Haven't ever needed
it as a viewer so far because, not surprisingly, not too many clients
use Orcad anymore.

Jim Thompson

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:51:51 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Maybe you need to scrub that PC and re-install everything. You seem
to have issues that only a few others report... you're definitely in
the minority with a number of issues.

Joerg

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Nov 11, 2012, 5:07:34 PM11/11/12

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> Maybe you need to scrub that PC and re-install everything. ...

Most definitely not for something like Skype. That would kill a whole
day, with the usual license server hiccups and all.

> ... You seem

> to have issues that only a few others report... you're definitely in
> the minority with a number of issues.

Not according to the Internet. After voting Orcad and Acrobat Reader off
the island there is no other software that causes any such problems.

I'll see if I can convince my client to use a web conference service of
better quality. If not I'll load the new version again. That one at
least won't nuke itself until I click something in the error message
box. So the error box will become the "new shut down button".

Jim Thompson

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Nov 11, 2012, 5:20:33 PM11/11/12

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 14:07:34 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>

And you'll continue to plague us with complaints about crashes ;-)

You should be doing a survey amongst all those with the same kind of
crashes and find the common culprit.

How about a vote here, of regular Skype users?... I AM a regular user,
almost daily... no problems other than occasional crappy sound.

Who has problems, and what is the manifestation?

How many have NO problems?

josephkk

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Nov 13, 2012, 10:33:33 PM11/13/12

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 01:54:37 GMT, ni...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:

>
>>So why did NetMeeting, NetConnect, Go-To-Meeting and all that work
>>flawlessly right off the bat? I guess they must have done something
>>right. Problem is, when you have many clients they use lots of different
>>web meeting services.
>
>Pfff. I tell clients to use the phone. Nowadays there are loads of
>telephone conferencing services which are really easy to use. I gave
>up on those netmeeting thingies about a decade ago. Too much wasted
>hours without pay.
>
>My kids use Skype but they have Windows 7 on their PCs. Dunno how they
>got it to work but it does even on non-administrator accounts.

Not sure what is going on with your install attempts, but for both XP and
7 it just installed and worked for ordinary users for me.

?-)

josephkk

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Nov 13, 2012, 10:46:18 PM11/13/12

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:08:58 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

>> On 10 Nov., 00:52, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> A client asked me to sign up with Skype, so I did. Long story short, it
>>> sorta works but every time I receive an error box "Skype has encountered
>>> a problem and needs to close".
>>>
>>> If I do not click "Do not send error report" and leave this error box on
>>> the desktop I can perform camera and audio tests and browse around in
>>> the Skype software menues. The millisecond I click "Do not send" ...
>>> poof ... Skype is gone.
>>>
>>> It's Skype SW version 6.0 and the PC uses XP. Web searched turned up
>>> only the usual "fix" to wipe and reinstall everything. Done that, no
>>> improvement. What gives? Older versions more stable?
>>>

>>> --
>>> Regards, Joerg
>>>
>>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/
>>

>> I think that is usually as sign of a missing or old dotnet framework
>>
>
>Hmm, I recently updated that. But shouldn't a software be smart enough
>to detect that and signal according instead of just crashing? In
>hardware I'd never get away with "performance" like that.

Not dotnet. It can get screwed up in ways that require a difficult
complete removal and reinstallation. I have had this happen on two
machines and the help for this is mostly pitifully poor. Try MVP.org for
instructions oh how to do this; warning this must be done in a single sit
down session, be fully prepared.

?-)

josephkk

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Nov 13, 2012, 10:56:49 PM11/13/12

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:41:02 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> "lang...@fonz.dk" wrote:

>>> On 10 Nov., 02:09, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>>>> langw...@fonz.dk wrote:
>>>>> On 10 Nov., 00:52, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>> A client asked me to sign up with Skype, so I did. Long story short, it
>>>>>> sorta works but every time I receive an error box "Skype has encountered
>>>>>> a problem and needs to close".
>>>>>> If I do not click "Do not send error report" and leave this error box on
>>>>>> the desktop I can perform camera and audio tests and browse around in
>>>>>> the Skype software menues. The millisecond I click "Do not send" ...
>>>>>> poof ... Skype is gone.
>>>>>> It's Skype SW version 6.0 and the PC uses XP. Web searched turned up
>>>>>> only the usual "fix" to wipe and reinstall everything. Done that, no
>>>>>> improvement. What gives? Older versions more stable?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Regards, Joerg
>>>>>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/
>>>>> I think that is usually as sign of a missing or old dotnet framework
>>>> Hmm, I recently updated that. But shouldn't a software be smart enough
>>>> to detect that and signal according instead of just crashing? In
>>>> hardware I'd never get away with "performance" like that.
>>>>

>>> you'd think so, but in a way it is understandable that if it
>>> doesn't exist and the OS from before it existed it can't tell you it
>>> is missing it has no idea
>>
>>
>> Microsoft released a bad .net update a few years ago, which screws up
>> a lot of things. They corrected it, but reused the KB number which
>> makes it a ain in the ass to fix without uninstalling all of .net and
>> reinstalling it and hundreds of updates.
>
>
>I updated twice this year so should be ok then but .NET in itself is
>rather screwed up. On various occasions I had a message pop up that the
>.NET version was "too new" for this SW to run. So I had to install older
>ones over the new. Crazy.

Michael is right, you have a corrupted dotnet environment. It is a bad
case of rip it out by the roots and reinstall. It will fight you every
step of the way.

?-)

Michael A. Terrell

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Nov 13, 2012, 11:26:54 PM11/13/12

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josephkk wrote:

>
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:41:02 -0800, Joerg ?inv...@invalid.invalid? wrote:
> >
> >I updated twice this year so should be ok then but .NET in itself is
> >rather screwed up. On various occasions I had a message pop up that the
> >.NET version was "too new" for this SW to run. So I had to install older
> >ones over the new. Crazy.
>
> Michael is right, you have a corrupted dotnet environment. It is a bad
> case of rip it out by the roots and reinstall. It will fight you every
> step of the way.

I used Revo Uninstaller to clean up a couple computers with .net
problems. It cleaned all traces of .net out of the registry. Start
with the newest version & work your way back till it's all gone. Some
other programs may require repair or reinstallation, because they were
linked to corrupt packages.

<http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html> I
used the freeware version, since they were not business computers.

josephkk

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Nov 13, 2012, 11:33:38 PM11/13/12

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I checked and it seems legit. Doesn't seem to be the same site i used to
use for older software. I am not seeing complaints about it. The site i
remember as being valid, clean and safe is:

http://oldversion.com/

Both seem highly regarded. I feel quite safe using oldversion. You could
download from each and compare the files before doing anything else.

YMMV

?-)

Joerg

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Nov 14, 2012, 12:16:50 PM11/14/12

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And I bet after that a lot of other stuff quits working. .NET is one of
the most screwed up pieces of <censored> the software world has ever seen.

josephkk

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Nov 16, 2012, 1:36:02 AM11/16/12

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:16:50 -0800, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

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>>> Hmm, I recently updated that. But shouldn't a software be smart enough
>>> to detect that and signal according instead of just crashing? In
>>> hardware I'd never get away with "performance" like that.
>>
>> Not dotnet. It can get screwed up in ways that require a difficult
>> complete removal and reinstallation. I have had this happen on two
>> machines and the help for this is mostly pitifully poor. Try MVP.org for
>> instructions oh how to do this; warning this must be done in a single sit
>> down session, be fully prepared.
>>
>
>And I bet after that a lot of other stuff quits working. .NET is one of
>the most screwed up pieces of <censored> the software world has ever seen.

Yep. About one step below par for the company that created Vista. The
vulnerability patch rates on it is fearsome.

?-)

Jasen Betts

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Nov 15, 2012, 5:55:52 AM11/15/12

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On 2012-11-10, John S <Sop...@invalid.org> wrote:
> On 11/9/2012 5:52 PM, Joerg wrote:

> FWIW, I am running Win 7 with Skype version 5.10.0.16 and have had no
> problems.
>
> I wonder if there are different versions for different OSs.

yep definately.

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