Coming Soon to Your State...
Jim Thompson
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Joel Koltner
message news:cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com...
Cool, maybe we'll get a Fry's here in southern Oregon close to the border. :-)
ChrisQ
> Coming Soon to Your State...
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>
> All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
I recently replaced the 21" tube monitor that i've repaired several
times over an 11 year life. Most problems were dry joints from daily
thermal cycling, but the tube was finally getting a bit dim. Replaced it
with a 20" tft. 30w instead of 140. Should save quite a bit of power.
Home tv is still tube though and just refuses to die. Tft replacement
should draw a fraction of the power when the time comes :-)...
Regards,
Chris
Jim Thompson
I'm probably living on borrowed time. I have a 16-year-old JVC 55"
(48" x 27") projection set that is still going strong.
I'm NOT going to see how much power it consumes ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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California is a truly beautiful state.
Too bad it's been so thoroughly fucked over by liberals.
Hal Murray
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>Coming Soon to Your State...
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
electricity use in California, according to the state's
energy commission.
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Michael A. Terrell
Hal Murray wrote:
>
> In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com>,
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
> >Coming Soon to Your State...
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
> >All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>
> Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
> electricity use in California, according to the state's
> energy commission.
Sure, after they ran off all the businesses and put millions on
unemployment.
--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com>,
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>>Coming Soon to Your State...
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm All you Sunday football
>>jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>
> Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home electricity use in
> California, according to the state's energy commission.
So what? Why not just pay the bill? Apparently that's not good enough for
the econazis.
Thanks,
Rich
Jim Thompson
>In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com>,
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>>Coming Soon to Your State...
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>>All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>
>Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
>electricity use in California, according to the state's
>energy commission.
That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
I would expect your refrigerator, or washer and dryer to account for
more.
...Jim Thompson
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Civilization began when communities stopped leaving their ill,
injured or wounded behind to die alone.
Civilization ends when governments decide whether you have enough
value to the community to be worth getting medical care.
Joe Chisolm
Wonder if the TV will have to have a revenue sticker on it.
Hollyweird will do a remake of the movie White Lightning but
this time Gator McKlusky will be running TVs instead of moonshine.
Wonder how many flat screen TVs you can get in the trunk of a 1972
Ford Galaxie.
--
Joe Chisolm
Marble Falls, Tx.
Oppie
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:lthbg5dgr4sldiopk...@4ax.com...
>>Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
>>electricity use in California, according to the state's
>>energy commission.
>
> That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
>
> I would expect your refrigerator, or washer and dryer to account for
> more.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Gee, I thought that Californians didn't use refrigerators, preferring to use
root cellars, cold mountain streams or dry preservation of perishables.
Washing is done downstream of where the perishables are stored and drying is
on a clothesline.
...not so? Maybe the wackos aren't as green as they claim to be.
In an age where most of my neighbors are clamoring for 200Amp, 220V service
entrances, I updated my house wiring but kept the original 60A/220V service.
In an outage, I can run most everything in the house from a 5KW backup
generator. Only thing I can't run is the old school Maytag washer. The
startup surge is just too much.
I'm waiting to see how long before they start making LCD TVs with an
optional light pipe input fed from a solar collector.
Oppie
41.01,-73.76 (precision truncated for privacy)
Jim Thompson
I'd guess quite a few... my '68 Ford Thunderbird trunk would hold 3
standard (metal) trash cans with the lid closed ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Martin Riddle
"Oppie" <Op...@saynotospam.com> wrote in message
news:t4kNm.45307$Wf2....@newsfe23.iad...
<snip>
Hmmm, Daytime TVee ?
Cheers
Charlie E.
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:35:03 +0000, ChrisQ <me...@devnull.com> wrote:
>
>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> Coming Soon to Your State...
>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>>>
>>> All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>>I recently replaced the 21" tube monitor that i've repaired several
>>times over an 11 year life. Most problems were dry joints from daily
>>thermal cycling, but the tube was finally getting a bit dim. Replaced it
>>with a 20" tft. 30w instead of 140. Should save quite a bit of power.
>>
>>Home tv is still tube though and just refuses to die. Tft replacement
>>should draw a fraction of the power when the time comes :-)...
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Chris
>
>I'm probably living on borrowed time. I have a 16-year-old JVC 55"
>(48" x 27") projection set that is still going strong.
>
>I'm NOT going to see how much power it consumes ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Actually, Jim, you are probably in decent shape!
The real power hogs are the plasma screens, that need high voltage to
get sufficient emissions to illuminate the phosphors. Your projection
unit (like my Sony) has a single projection lamp, and then electronics
to operate the LCDs or DLPs. That doesn't take that much power!
Charlie
Jim Thompson
wrote:
Mine is so old that is has THREE CRT projection tubes and a fancy
mirror, about 30" deep.
But Naomi is clamoring for re-doing the "entertainment wall" in the
great room... so you KNOW what is going to happen ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Obama says, "I AM NOT a cry baby, Fox REALLY IS out to get me!"
Joel Koltner
message
> great room... so you KNOW what is going to happen ;-)
You're probably a bit too old to be camping outside of Best Buy the day after
Thanksgiving at 3AM though... right? :-)
Jim Thompson
I'm better than that... I buy everything _after_ Christmas ;-)
(The by-line in this sig is from Naomi's comment after talking to my
sister on the phone this afternoon ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Liberals need to learn to choose better
crackers and cheese with their whine.
mi...@sushi.com
wrote:
> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
> messagenews:cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com...
>
> > Coming Soon to Your State...
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>
> Cool, maybe we'll get a Fry's here in southern Oregon close to the border. :-)
California is so big that everyone designs products to meet California
standards. So there won't be power hog TVs for sale outside of the
state.
Martin Riddle
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:9cobg5hrjd41letfn...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:19:12 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
> <zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
>>in
>>message
>>> But Naomi is clamoring for re-doing the "entertainment wall" in the
>>> great room... so you KNOW what is going to happen ;-)
>>
>>You're probably a bit too old to be camping outside of Best Buy the
>>day after
>>Thanksgiving at 3AM though... right? :-)
>>
>
> I'm better than that... I buy everything _after_ Christmas ;-)
>
<snip>
I have a feeling there will be deep price cuts this year after 12-25.
This season will not be that rosey for the retailers.
Cheers
GoldIntermetallicEmbrittlement
<marti...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>message news:9cobg5hrjd41letfn...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:19:12 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
>> <zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
>>>in
>>>message
>>>> But Naomi is clamoring for re-doing the "entertainment wall" in the
>>>> great room... so you KNOW what is going to happen ;-)
>>>
>>>You're probably a bit too old to be camping outside of Best Buy the
>>>day after
>>>Thanksgiving at 3AM though... right? :-)
>>>
>>
>> I'm better than that... I buy everything _after_ Christmas ;-)
>>
><snip>
>
>I have a feeling there will be deep price cuts this year after 12-25.
>This season will not be that rosey for the retailers.
>
>Cheers
>
Sheeit. They have it so bad that the before Christmas day prices will
likely be VERY competitive as well.
Jim Yanik
news:U5WdnQvig62JL5jW...@megapath.net:
> In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com>,
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>>Coming Soon to Your State...
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>>All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>
> Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
> electricity use in California, according to the state's
> energy commission.
>
yeah,instead of making more electricity (via clean,safe nuclear power),they
decide to force everyone to cut back.
That's the "progressive" way;REgress.
I hope they don't use the same idea for overweight people.
(since too many are fat,you can only sell low-fat products...)
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
krw
My 42" plasma TV is close to 500W. They just replaced the display
power supply today; what a monstrosity! Seems they have a problem. It
was a year out of warranty but they fixed it in-home (50miles from the
service center) free of charge.
I think I'll sell it to someone in CA.
krw
Nonsense. There just won't be any plasma TVs in CA. That won't stop
the rest of us from buying them.
mi...@sushi.com
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:47:06 -0800 (PST), "m...@sushi.com"
And which cars can you buy that don't meet California standards? See
what I mean?
mi...@sushi.com
> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>
> > On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:19:12 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
>
> >>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
> >>in
> >>message
> >>> But Naomi is clamoring for re-doing the "entertainment wall" in the
> >>> great room... so you KNOW what is going to happen ;-)
>
> >>You're probably a bit too old to be camping outside of Best Buy the
> >>day after
> >>Thanksgiving at 3AM though... right? :-)
>
> > I'm better than that... I buy everything _after_ Christmas ;-)
>
> <snip>
>
> I have a feeling there will be deep price cuts this year after 12-25.
> This season will not be that rosey for the retailers.
>
> Cheers
Well, you might want to wait until after the Superbowl.
Incidentally, half time during the superbowl is the peak demand
guideline for sewage treatment plants.
mi...@sushi.com
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:43 -0800, Charlie E. <edmond...@ieee.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:12:20 -0700, Jim Thompson
The Panasonic PDP plasma is close to current generation CCFT backlit
LCDs in terms of power, but not near the LED backlit versions. But the
LED backlit display is really crappy in terms of color. Something is
wrong with how it handles green.
Tim Williams
cause birth defects" or whatever.
Well, thank God we don't like in California then!...
Tim
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mi...@sushi.com
> I can't buy any good solder that's not "known to the State of California to
> cause birth defects" or whatever.
>
> Well, thank God we don't like in California then!...
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk.
> Website:http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms
>
>
> news:9afab06b-e3aa-4d63...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 19, 8:43 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:47:06 -0800 (PST), "m...@sushi.com"
>
> > <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
> > >On Nov 19, 9:32 am, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com>
> > >wrote:
> > >> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
> > >> in
> > >> messagenews:cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com...
>
> > >> > Coming Soon to Your State...
> > >> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>
> > >> Cool, maybe we'll get a Fry's here in southern Oregon close to the
> > >> border. :-)
>
> > >California is so big that everyone designs products to meet California
> > >standards. So there won't be power hog TVs for sale outside of the
> > >state.
>
> > Nonsense. There just won't be any plasma TVs in CA. That won't stop
> > the rest of us from buying them.
>
> And which cars can you buy that don't meet California standards? See
> what I mean?
That is a Prop 65 warning. You get to buy something toxic as long as
there is a warning. I'm pretty sure all the Fry's Electronics in the
state have a Prop 65 warning on the front door. You would be amazed at
the lawyers that have got rich from this proposition. You find a store
with something toxic and no warning, then file a lawsuit.
Any way, if you ship it to California, you might as well mark all your
items else risk one making it into California without the warning.
mpm
Murray) wrote:
> In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2tqfki7fenkt49j...@4ax.com>,
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>
> >Coming Soon to Your State...
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
> >All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>
> Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
> electricity use in California, according to the state's
> energy commission.
>
> --
> These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.
I wonder what percentage of those TV sets are tuned to FOX "News"?
-mpm
mpm
Web-Site.com> wrote:
Replying to Hal Murphy's post.
> >Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
> >electricity use in California, according to the state's
> >energy commission.
>
> That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
>
> I would expect your refrigerator, or washer and dryer to account for
> more.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Here, it would be the air conditioner - without question!
I agree the 10% sounds like a total SWAG.
As for the fridge, washer & dryer -
You don't forage or do laundry 16 hours a day either - unless you're
"Octomom", I guess. :)
BTW Jim, speaking of couch potatoes...
"Herbie" (our dachshund) passed away last week. He was 14. Sure miss
him!
He was a really great couch buddy!
-mpm
mpm
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm going to store that little factoid away for my appearance on
Jeopardy.
Thanks! :)
Jim Yanik
news:587cg5tafhmvpdbff...@4ax.com:
>
> My 42" plasma TV is close to 500W. They just replaced the display
> power supply today; what a monstrosity! Seems they have a problem. It
> was a year out of warranty but they fixed it in-home (50miles from the
> service center) free of charge.
>
> I think I'll sell it to someone in CA.
Power supply;forced air cooling,or convection?
Jim Yanik
news:h45dg59t1o9i8s7v3...@4ax.com:
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:01:08 -0600,
>>hal-u...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com>,
>>> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>>>>Coming Soon to Your State...
>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>>>>All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>>>
>>>Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
>>>electricity use in California, according to the state's
>>>energy commission.
>>
>>That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
>
> A leftist weenie like Republican Governor Schwarzenegger?
>
> "I applaud the commission for its hard work to enact these and other
> cost-effective energy efficiency standards that are not only great for
> the environment, but also good for consumers," the governor said in a
> statement.
>
>>I would expect your refrigerator, or washer and dryer to account for
>>more.
>>
> And they do. What part of 10% doesn't allow for other items to
> account for more? Even so, 10% is way too much for a non-essential
> device,
"non-essential"?? are you saying news is not important? or weather info?
WHO are you to decide what is "essential" for others????
> and it's growing (Plasma TVs use 3 times the power of old CRTs
> and LCDs use 1.5 time the power of CRTs).
>
> I would think that an engineer like yourself would appreciate higher
> standards in consumer electronics (especially since they create work
> for engineers). Are you so blinded by your anti-government agenda
> that you can't recognize a good thing when you see it?
>
"higher standards" should not be used to eliminate products from sale.
And you can be sure that the rich,Hollywood celebs,and the "elite" will
have their plasma TVs,even if they have to have them shipped in from other
states.
Why can't they build more safe,clean nuclear power plants,and make more
electric power?(they have to anyways..they're already short)
Why should people be expected to lower their standard of living?
Move FORWARD,not step back.
Martin Brown
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:01:08 -0600,
>> hal-u...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) wrote:
>>
>>> In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com>,
>>> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>>>> Coming Soon to Your State...
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>>>> All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>>> Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
>>> electricity use in California, according to the state's
>>> energy commission.
>> That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
>
> A leftist weenie like Republican Governor Schwarzenegger?
He has a working brain so he doesn't qualify as a true Republicon.
> "I applaud the commission for its hard work to enact these and other
> cost-effective energy efficiency standards that are not only great for
> the environment, but also good for consumers," the governor said in a
> statement.
>
>> I would expect your refrigerator, or washer and dryer to account for
>> more.
>>
> And they do. What part of 10% doesn't allow for other items to
> account for more?
Actually a refrigerator (at least a well made one only uses a small
amount of power these days) thermal insulation is very good now so it
depends how often you open the fridge door. Most of the time it is idle.
There is a huge current spike when the compressor starts up but the
average power used is modest.
Air conditioning and space heating are the biggest consumers of domestic
power.
> Even so, 10% is way too much for a non-essential
> device, and it's growing (Plasma TVs use 3 times the power of old CRTs
> and LCDs use 1.5 time the power of CRTs).
Also some of the modern ones leave the digital decoder on all the time
so that connected recording devices can use its output. This means a
continuous baseload contribution of 20-30W even in standby!
Various enterprising companies sell devices that power down units with
badly behaved standby power consumption and reawake them when the "on"
code is seen by a separate IR sensor. There is no excuse with modern PSU
technology to have consumer mains items using more than 1W in standby.
The move to ban standby is seriously misguided. Requiring it to only
draw a tiny amount of current would be a better design goal.
>
> I would think that an engineer like yourself would appreciate higher
> standards in consumer electronics (especially since they create work
> for engineers). Are you so blinded by your anti-government agenda
> that you can't recognize a good thing when you see it?
It is odd how standby currents vary. I have server with a PSU intended
to run 24/7 and it is <1W on standby whereas new consumer PCs tend to be
around 5W when nominally switched off. PC sound systems are amongst the
worst designed boxes of junk with some consuming almost as much power
when switched off as they do when running!
Regards,
Martin Brown
Spehro Pefhany
<tmor...@charter.net> wrote:
>I can't buy any good solder that's not "known to the State of California to
>cause birth defects" or whatever.
>
>Well, thank God we don't like in California then!...
>
>Tim
Even my line cord is known by the State of California to cause birth
defects. WTF are they doing with those line cords in Kalifornia?
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:01:08 -0600,
>>hal-u...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com>,
>>> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>>>>Coming Soon to Your State...
>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>>>>All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>>>
>>>Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
>>>electricity use in California, according to the state's
>>>energy commission.
>>
>>That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
>
>A leftist weenie like Republican Governor Schwarzenegger?
>
>"I applaud the commission for its hard work to enact these and other
>cost-effective energy efficiency standards that are not only great for
>the environment, but also good for consumers," the governor said in a
>statement.
>
>>I would expect your refrigerator, or washer and dryer to account for
>>more.
>>
>And they do. What part of 10% doesn't allow for other items to
>account for more? Even so, 10% is way too much for a non-essential
>device, and it's growing (Plasma TVs use 3 times the power of old CRTs
>and LCDs use 1.5 time the power of CRTs).
>
>I would think that an engineer like yourself would appreciate higher
>standards in consumer electronics (especially since they create work
>for engineers). Are you so blinded by your anti-government agenda
>that you can't recognize a good thing when you see it?
Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
Don't you think consumers know how high their electric bills are?
...Jim Thompson
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"It isn't that democrats are ignorant. Far from it... it's just
that they know so much that just isn't so" -Ronald Reagan
Martin Brown
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:22:28 -0400, Steve Hall <sha...@canada.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I would think that an engineer like yourself would appreciate higher
>> standards in consumer electronics (especially since they create work
>> for engineers). Are you so blinded by your anti-government agenda
>> that you can't recognize a good thing when you see it?
>
> Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
> and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
>
> Don't you think consumers know how high their electric bills are?
Dunno what it is like in the States, but for some of the UK electricity
companies more obscure tariffs I would have to say that it is virtually
impossible for an ordinary member of the public to work out the charging
structure of their electricity bill and choose the best buy supplier.
nPower is notorious for complex household bills that take about an hour
to decode and even then it is subject to interpretation. They have been
hammered several times for deliberate overcharging and incredibly opaque
billing methodologies. I used to be a customer. Not any more.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/may/24/householdbills.consumeraffairs
Officially named as "Britain's worst energy provider" 2008...
Regards,
Martin Brown
Jim Yanik
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:22:28 -0400, Steve Hall <sha...@canada.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:01:08 -0600,
>>>hal-u...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com>,
>>>> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>>>>>Coming Soon to Your State...
>>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>>>>>All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
>>>>electricity use in California, according to the state's
>>>>energy commission.
>>>
>>>That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
>>
>>A leftist weenie like Republican Governor Schwarzenegger?
>>
>>"I applaud the commission for its hard work to enact these and other
>>cost-effective energy efficiency standards that are not only great for
>>the environment, but also good for consumers," the governor said in a
>>statement.
>>
>>>I would expect your refrigerator, or washer and dryer to account for
>>>more.
Water heater,if electric,is one of the biggest power draws in the house.
it cycles 24/7/365,but draws much more power than a refrigerator.
Washer and dryer are used maybe one day a week,for a few hours.
>>>
>>And they do. What part of 10% doesn't allow for other items to
>>account for more? Even so, 10% is way too much for a non-essential
>>device, and it's growing (Plasma TVs use 3 times the power of old CRTs
>>and LCDs use 1.5 time the power of CRTs).
>>
>>I would think that an engineer like yourself would appreciate higher
>>standards in consumer electronics (especially since they create work
>>for engineers). Are you so blinded by your anti-government agenda
>>that you can't recognize a good thing when you see it?
>
> Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
> and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
>
> Don't you think consumers know how high their electric bills are?
>
> ...Jim Thompson
I hope they'd notice an increase in their elec.bill if they installed a new
power-hungry plasma TV.
This is just more socialist(communist) control over peoples lives.
More is coming,too. First in healthcare,then the ol' Cap-n-Trade scam.
Those are REALLY going to hurt.
3rd World,here we come...
[thanks to the DemocRATs]
Jim Thompson
wrote:
Someone mentioned 500W.
Wonder how many hours a day the TV is on?
Our projection set is on from around 7-10:30PM... 3.5 hours per day.
If ours would be 500W, that's 1.75kWh, so 17.5� per day... $5.25 per
month.
I guess the problem is a Californication thing ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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California is a truly beautiful state.
Too bad it's been so thoroughly fucked over by liberals.
Joel Koltner
> Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
> and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
I think most people agree that's a fine starting place, but there's a real
problem in that you aren't going to like it if the city down the road from you
starts burning coal, doesn't bother with any emmissions controls (that stuff's
expensive!), and makes it hard for you breathe when the wind is heading your
way. Hence we start to regulate shared resources such as the air, and it
snowballs from there.
Also, while I do think we'd have some reasonably fuel efficient cars today if
there'd never been CAFE standards, I also think that those standards have
created many cars of a given performance level with better fuel economy and
emissions. I.e., the standards caused technological innovation more quickly
than would otherwise have occurred. Most people would consider this a Good
Thing, although I'd grant you reasonable people could disagree based on the
costs involved or whatnot.
I kinda wonder when the chain stores figured out that there was more money to
be made by not stocking windshield wiper blade refills and instead only
stocking complete wiper arm replacements...?
---Joel
Spehro Pefhany
wrote:
>On Nov 19, 5:36�pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
>Web-Site.com> wrote:
>Replying to Hal Murphy's post.
>
>> >Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
>> >electricity use in California, according to the state's
>> >energy commission.
>>
>> That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
>>
>> I would expect your refrigerator, or washer and dryer to account for
>> more.
>>
>> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � ...Jim Thompson
>
>Here, it would be the air conditioner - without question!
>I agree the 10% sounds like a total SWAG.
Only because it's suspicously rounded-off. I'll bet they spent
millions on studies. The 10% does include set-top boxes, VCRs, DVD
players etc.
Interesting that they found a 3:1 difference in power consumption for
similar mid-size (52") LCD TV sets.
Jim Thompson
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>message
>> Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
>> and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
>
>I think most people agree that's a fine starting place, but there's a real
>problem in that you aren't going to like it if the city down the road from you
>starts burning coal, doesn't bother with any emmissions controls (that stuff's
>expensive!), and makes it hard for you breathe when the wind is heading your
>way. Hence we start to regulate shared resources such as the air, and it
>snowballs from there.
"Liberals" always pick some absurd example trying desperately to make
"points'.
>
>Also, while I do think we'd have some reasonably fuel efficient cars today if
>there'd never been CAFE standards, I also think that those standards have
>created many cars of a given performance level with better fuel economy and
>emissions. I.e., the standards caused technological innovation more quickly
>than would otherwise have occurred. Most people would consider this a Good
>Thing, although I'd grant you reasonable people could disagree based on the
>costs involved or whatnot.
Well? You're about to get a dose of government
cost-controlled-by-rationing medical "care" ;-)
>
>I kinda wonder when the chain stores figured out that there was more money to
>be made by not stocking windshield wiper blade refills and instead only
>stocking complete wiper arm replacements...?
>
>---Joel
>
Where do you shop? I have no trouble buying blade refills... was
Checker Auto... now CSK, or is it now O'Reilly ?:-)
I think auto parts stores are dying because we are now a nation of
incompetents... I just heard a number of 49% of our nation qualify for
food stamps :-(
No surprise I guess. Even supposedly rational voters let warm and
fuzzy political correctness elect a totally incompetent President :-(
...Jim Thompson
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Fed up with the way the present administration is going?
Turn out in force in 2010 and change the face of Congress.
Then impeach the wuss.
Joel Koltner
> "Liberals" always pick some absurd example trying desperately to make
> "points'.
My point was that pretty much everyone -- even conservatives -- support plenty
of laws that noticeably raise the costs for individuals engaging in some task
based on nothing more than the desires of "everyone" (well, at least as
represented by our democratically elected legislators and all... but I mean,
the constitution has nothing about guaranteeing you unpolluted air and water,
you know?). I.e., almost no one *really* supports a completely laissez-faire
style of capitalism.
> Well? You're about to get a dose of government
> cost-controlled-by-rationing medical "care" ;-)
Yes, I agree, and it's going to cost an incredibly large amount of money. Yet
I'm optimistic that there's a very good chance that 5-10 years from people
overall will feel they're better off and that the costs were worth it.
From your PSA results I'm thinking you're a pretty healthy guy, Jim, and
you'll most likely be around in a decade to tell me I was wrong if that's the
case. :-)
> Where do you shop?
The big chain stores like Wally World, K Mart, etc. I'll have to check out
the auto parts stores next time; good to know they're still available there.
> I think auto parts stores are dying because we are now a nation of
> incompetents...
To some degree, sure, but also cars are simply more reliable today to begin
with... and arguably it's somewhat harder to work on them as well, especially
if you have to get the car to pass emissions/fault testing rather than simply
"running OK."
Radio Shacks are just about dead too, but in electronics the wealth of on-line
parts availability makes up for it many times over. I wouldn't be surprised
if the same is true of auto parts -- it's just gone to the Internet.
> No surprise I guess. Even supposedly rational voters let warm and
> fuzzy political correctness elect a totally incompetent President :-(
Oh, come on, I bet if your choice were Carter or Obama you'd still stick with
Barack! :-)
---Joel
Jim Thompson
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>message news:5jpdg5hl2en7ouvio...@4ax.com...
>> "Liberals" always pick some absurd example trying desperately to make
>> "points'.
>
>My point was that pretty much everyone -- even conservatives -- support plenty
>of laws that noticeably raise the costs for individuals engaging in some task
>based on nothing more than the desires of "everyone" (well, at least as
>represented by our democratically elected legislators and all... but I mean,
>the constitution has nothing about guaranteeing you unpolluted air and water,
>you know?). I.e., almost no one *really* supports a completely laissez-faire
>style of capitalism.
>
>> Well? You're about to get a dose of government
>> cost-controlled-by-rationing medical "care" ;-)
>
>Yes, I agree, and it's going to cost an incredibly large amount of money. Yet
>I'm optimistic that there's a very good chance that 5-10 years from people
>overall will feel they're better off and that the costs were worth it.
More cost and less service is better?
>
>From your PSA results I'm thinking you're a pretty healthy guy, Jim, and
>you'll most likely be around in a decade to tell me I was wrong if that's the
>case. :-)
That PSA is "low-normal for my age". What spooked the doc, was the
delta from last year. My guess is either a defective test, or a
result from going on Hytrin mid-year to stop that "going and going and
going... urgency" stuff that hits us old farts ;-)
That Hytrin stuff works... I can go out and have a 3-Martini lunch,
then go shopping for a few hours, then go home, before needing a "pit
stop".
I'll get another PSA test in one month and then another in three
months... all at your expense ;-)
>
>> Where do you shop?
>
>The big chain stores like Wally World, K Mart, etc. I'll have to check out
>the auto parts stores next time; good to know they're still available there.
I never shop those big chain stores... they always smell like someone
urinated on the floor :-(
I do, however, have business accounts at Sam's Club and Costco.
>
>> I think auto parts stores are dying because we are now a nation of
>> incompetents...
>
>To some degree, sure, but also cars are simply more reliable today to begin
>with... and arguably it's somewhat harder to work on them as well, especially
>if you have to get the car to pass emissions/fault testing rather than simply
>"running OK."
>
>Radio Shacks are just about dead too, but in electronics the wealth of on-line
>parts availability makes up for it many times over. I wouldn't be surprised
>if the same is true of auto parts -- it's just gone to the Internet.
>
>> No surprise I guess. Even supposedly rational voters let warm and
>> fuzzy political correctness elect a totally incompetent President :-(
>
>Oh, come on, I bet if your choice were Carter or Obama you'd still stick with
>Barack! :-)
>
>---Joel
>
You've got it wrong, I'd choose incompetent_AND_ ineffective over
incompetent_AND_bully every time ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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"I have a dream that [we] will one day live in a nation where
[Obama] will not be judged by the color of [his] skin but by the
content of [his] character."
Obama will then be impeached.
"Free at last! free at last! Thank God Almighty, we [will be] free
at last!"
Joel Koltner
message
What might be more cost and less service for you could translate into less
cost and more service for, say, 10 other people (in other words... yes, public
health care is a form of wealth redistribution, it is socialist in nature,
etc., etc...).
> I'll get another PSA test in one month and then another in three
> months... all at your expense ;-)
Fine by me -- I certainly benefit from your remaining healthy and continuing
to provide good free technical advice here on SED; there's no denying you've
provided a wealth of useful services over the years!
> I never shop those big chain stores... they always smell like someone
> urinated on the floor :-(
Check out peopleofwalmart.com if you really want to be disturbed...
---Joel
Michael A. Terrell
I got a phone call last night that Maggie died on Wendesday.
http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.terrell/photos.html
--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
Rich Grise
> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
> message
>> Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
>> and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
>
> I think most people agree that's a fine starting place, but there's a real
> problem in that you aren't going to like it if the city down the road from
> you starts burning coal, doesn't bother with any emmissions controls (that
> stuff's expensive!), and makes it hard for you breathe when the wind is
> heading your way.
That's what HEPA filters and air exchangers are for.
And realistically, what are the odds of this happening? Or are you just
being sensationalistic?
Hope This Helps!
Rich
Joel Koltner
news:pan.2009.11.20...@example.net...
> That's what HEPA filters and air exchangers are for.
Still, Jim would be the one who had to buy those filters. That's not right...
or are you suggesting he should just move if he doesn't like it?
> And realistically, what are the odds of this happening? Or are you just
> being sensationalistic?
The odds are effectively unity. Polluted waterways and -- perhaps to a
somewhat lesser extent -- air was a *significant* problem prior to discharge
regulations becoming law. It continues to be a significant problem in places
like China... and even in the U.S., we spend enormous amounts of money
cleaning up past transgressions (see, e.g., superfund sites).
--Joel
Ingvald44
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
Maybe if they do away with the big screen tvs they'll quit watching
and go outside and notice how screwed up their state is...
Jim Yanik
>
> I never shop those big chain stores... they always smell like someone
> urinated on the floor :-(
My local WalMart Superstore is kept impeccably clean.
krw
wrote:
>On Nov 19, 4:01�pm, hal-use...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal
None. Leftist weenies don't watch any news that might contradict
their myopic world view.
krw
<mi...@sushi.com> wrote:
>On Nov 19, 8:40�pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:43 -0800, Charlie E. <edmond...@ieee.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:12:20 -0700, Jim Thompson
>> ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:35:03 +0000, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> >>>> Coming Soon to Your State...
>>
>> >>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>>
>> >>>> All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>>
>> >>>> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � ...Jim Thompson
>>
>> >>>I recently replaced the 21" tube monitor that i've repaired several
>> >>>times over an 11 year life. �Most problems were dry joints from daily
>> >>>thermal cycling, but the tube was finally getting a bit dim. Replaced it
>> >>>with a 20" tft. 30w instead of 140. Should save quite a bit of power.
>>
>> >>>Home tv is still tube though and just refuses to die. Tft replacement
>> >>>should draw a fraction of the power when the time comes :-)...
>>
>> >>>Regards,
>>
>> >>>Chris
>>
>> >>I'm probably living on borrowed time. �I have a 16-year-old JVC 55"
>> >>(48" x 27") projection set that is still going strong.
>>
>> >>I'm NOT going to see how much power it consumes ;-)
>>
>> >> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �...Jim Thompson
>>
>> >Actually, Jim, you are probably in decent shape!
>>
>> >The real power hogs are the plasma screens, that need high voltage to
>> >get sufficient emissions to illuminate the phosphors. �Your projection
>> >unit (like my Sony) has a single projection lamp, and then electronics
>> >to operate the LCDs or DLPs. �That doesn't take that much power!
>>
>> My 42" plasma TV is close to 500W. �They just replaced the display
>> power supply today; what a monstrosity! �Seems they have a problem. It
>> was a year out of warranty but they fixed it in-home (50miles from the
>> service center) free of charge. �
>>
>> I think I'll sell it to someone in CA. �
>
>The Panasonic PDP plasma is close to current generation CCFT backlit
>LCDs in terms of power, but not near the LED backlit versions. But the
>LED backlit display is really crappy in terms of color. Something is
>wrong with how it handles green.
Mine is last year's Panasonic 42" model (bought at the beginning of
the model year). I measure just under 500W.
krw
wrote:
>krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in
Forced. Four fans in the upper rear. By the sound I wouldn't have
known if I hadn't been there to watch them take it apart. There has
to be $100 in connectors in that beast! Yikes!
krw
<mi...@sushi.com> wrote:
>On Nov 19, 8:43�pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:47:06 -0800 (PST), "m...@sushi.com"
>>
>> <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
>> >On Nov 19, 9:32�am, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>> >> messagenews:cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com...
>>
>> >> > Coming Soon to Your State...
>> >> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>>
>> >> Cool, maybe we'll get a Fry's here in southern Oregon close to the border. :-)
>>
>> >California is so big that everyone designs products to meet California
>> >standards. So there won't be power hog TVs for sale outside of the
>> >state.
>>
>> Nonsense. �There just won't be any plasma TVs in CA. �That won't stop
>> the rest of us from buying them.
>
>And which cars can you buy that don't meet California standards? See
>what I mean?
Big difference. Large Plasma TVs can't meet the new CA requirements
so they won't be sold in CA. ...or do you think that CA is so
important that no one else buys them if CA doesn't? Perhaps you think
that CA residents are so cowed that they won't travel across the
border or buy online? I bet the border BestBuys do a big business.
krw
Think SF. ...though there aren't a significant number of births
there.
kevin93
...
> Big difference. Large Plasma TVs can't meet the new CA requirements
> so they won't be sold in CA. ...or do you think that CA is so
> important that no one else buys them if CA doesn't? Perhaps you think
> that CA residents are so cowed that they won't travel across the
> border or buy online? I bet the border BestBuys do a big business.
The standards apply only to sets up to 58" - you will be able to buy
large plasma screens but not smaller ones where LCD versions are
available that consume much less power.
kevin
Jim Yanik
news:j53gg5pihdisb6d1l...@4ax.com:
after all,they're claiming Fox is not "news",but opinion masquerading as
news.(which is what the other networks actually are.)
krw
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
That's what my 42" Panasonic draws.
>Wonder how many hours a day the TV is on?
250kWH/mo for the time we were in OH. SWMBO was stuck in an apartment
for nine months while I was contracting. No point in her getting a
job since there was no chance that we were going to stay in NE OH.
>Our projection set is on from around 7-10:30PM... 3.5 hours per day.
>
>If ours would be 500W, that's 1.75kWh, so 17.5� per day... $5.25 per
>month.
We were there over the Winter and we did have resistive electric heat
so it much of it was a wash. Got both ends of it during the couple of
AC months though.
>I guess the problem is a Californication thing ;-)
Of course. 250kWH is about the same as Friday night pizza and (root)
beer. That part of the power bill amounted to about fifteen minutes
work (out of 300 hours). Yep, insignificant.
krw
So, you don't think people prefer plasma over LCD? ...or just that
like sheep they'll follow any silly order that comes along form their
masters? Or perhaps that those smart enough to live elsewhere are
going to follow those who are stupid enough to remain to the
slaughterhouse?
krw
wrote:
>Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>news:omrdg51o8j512bp60...@4ax.com:
>
>
>>
>> I never shop those big chain stores... they always smell like someone
>> urinated on the floor :-(
>
>My local WalMart Superstore is kept impeccably clean.
Ours are as well, but we went to one last week that was *really* bad.
It's the first time I've ever been in the restroom of a national
big-box store that was crawly-filthy. I'm surprised the store manager
still has a job.
Jon
"Steve Hall" <sha...@canada.com> wrote in message
news:h45dg59t1o9i8s7v3...@4ax.com...
<snip>
>>
> And they do. What part of 10% doesn't allow for other items to
> account for more? Even so, 10% is way too much for a non-essential
> device, and it's growing (Plasma TVs use 3 times the power of old CRTs
> and LCDs use 1.5 time the power of CRTs).
>
> I would think that an engineer like yourself would appreciate higher
> standards in consumer electronics (especially since they create work
> for engineers). Are you so blinded by your anti-government agenda
> that you can't recognize a good thing when you see it?
When will they go after the vacuum makers? I'm sure you've seen the
ads, "...now with 12 AMPS of cleaning!". How about the same cleaning
on 5 amps?
mi...@sushi.com
Plasma is superior to LCD in all respects except for the buzz sound.
Plasma had no motion blur, the illumination is constant across all the
pixels since it doesn't use a backlight, and the color is more
accurate. LCD has that annoying light bleed between the pixels that
screws up dark scenes.
As I stated earlier, the PDP plasma is pretty efficient.
It is highly unlikely they will make TV that don't meet the California
standard. In any event, Diane Feinstein is working on making the
California standard a federal requirement.
krw
There are a few sane people outside CA that will stop the stupid
bitch.
Clint Sharp
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes
>Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
>and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
>
>Don't you think consumers know how high their electric bills are?
have little idea which appliances cause them to be high. Plasma TVs are
power hogs, without reading the article thoroughly I bet that's the type
of screen they are talking about.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
--
Clint Sharp
Jim Thompson
You didn't note my calculation of $5.25/month for a plasma set, based
on my usage of 3.5 hours per day?
Hardly an amount I would even notice...
My electric bill dropped from $601/mo to $325/mo this past bill... it
got cool here in Arizona ;-)
mi...@sushi.com
Web-Site.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:46:21 +0000, Clint Sharp
>
> <cl...@clintsmc.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> writes
> >>Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
> >>and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
>
> >>Don't you think consumers know how high their electric bills are?
> >I bet they know exactly how high their bills are but I'd also bet they
> >have little idea which appliances cause them to be high. Plasma TVs are
> >power hogs, without reading the article thoroughly I bet that's the type
> >of screen they are talking about.
>
> >> ...Jim Thompson
>
> You didn't note my calculation of $5.25/month for a plasma set, based
> on my usage of 3.5 hours per day?
>
> Hardly an amount I would even notice...
>
> My electric bill dropped from $601/mo to $325/mo this past bill... it
> got cool here in Arizona ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
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There are people that run TVs all day long. It's like wallpaper to
them. The don't understand the concept of a TV not being used.
krw
Your point?
Glenn Gundlach
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:01:08 -0600,
>
> >>In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2tqfki7fenkt49j...@4ax.com>,
> >> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
> >>>Coming Soon to Your State...
> >>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
> >>>All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>
> >>Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
> >>electricity use in California, according to the state's
> >>energy commission.
>
> >That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
>
> A leftist weenie like Republican Governor Schwarzenegger?
>
> "I applaud the commission for its hard work to enact these and other
> cost-effective energy efficiency standards that are not only great for
> the environment, but also good for consumers," the governor said in a
> statement.
>
> >I would expect your refrigerator, or washer and dryer to account for
> >more.
>
> account for more? Even so, 10% is way too much for a non-essential
> device, and it's growing (Plasma TVs use 3 times the power of old CRTs
> and LCDs use 1.5 time the power of CRTs).
>
> I would think that an engineer like yourself would appreciate higher
> standards in consumer electronics (especially since they create work
> for engineers). Are you so blinded by your anti-government agenda
> that you can't recognize a good thing when you see it?
Pulliing numbers out of a hat here? Early color TVs were in the
400-500 watt area with a 21" round tube (all there was back then). Go
get a Kill-a watt and get back to us.
G²
Jim Thompson
Miso == sheep
...Jim Thompson
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krw
No, he's a leftist weenie and like all leftist weenies he wants
everyone to be his sheep.
Michael A. Terrell
That never worked in a TV shop. :)
Jim Thompson
Nope. My task, Father says, "Replace vertical output transformer." I
say, "Why?" Father, "'cause it's bad." No formal training ever, he
just had the "knack" ;-)
Joel Koltner
> Nope. My task, Father says, "Replace vertical output transformer." I
> say, "Why?" Father, "'cause it's bad." No formal training ever, he
> just had the "knack" ;-)
Based on your age, I'm thinking he would have had other jobs prior to running
a TV repair shop? What else did he do?
Michael A. Terrell
Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> Nope. My task, Father says, "Replace vertical output transformer." I
> say, "Why?" Father, "'cause it's bad." No formal training ever, he
> just had the "knack" ;-)
I used to drive some of the other techs crazy, but the best one was
when a smart assed tech was removing the back of a TV as I was walking
by. He couldn't let a day go by without bragging that he had the best
education, the biggest collection of tools, blah, blah, blah.
I took a quick glance and said, "Some idiot has replaced the .56 ohm
fusible resistor with a .56 uF capacitor" and walked off. He yelled at
me 'You don't know what the hell you're talking about' and told me to
'mind your own damn business'. A few minutes later he asked if we had
the .56 ohm fusible resistor in stock, then accused me of setting him
up. :)
ChrisQ
A favourite trick for new recruits in one company I worked in was to
remove the bottom cover from a weller iron transformer and solder a good
quality 25uf 25v or similar across the primary of the transformer
replace cover and then ask the target to solder some new parts onto a board.
Childish, really, but the loud bang, smoke and smell of chared cap
internals, not to mention all the unwound foil inside when the cover was
again removed, made it quite amusing at the time :-)...
Regards,
Chris
Jim Thompson
One room schoolhouse teacher
Manager of Giant Food Store in DC
Electrician, Oak Ridge, Tennessee, self-taught (bluffer ;-)
WWII, occupation of Japan, electrician
Civilian electrician, Goheen Electric, Huntington, WV
Radio shop in basement of house
TV began around 1950
He took a correspondence course in television (I had forgotten)
Around 1954 he bought a vacant building in the Gallagherville area of
Huntington, with apartments upstairs. He rented out the apartments,
the bulk of the downstairs to a drug store, and a building extension
became "Thompson's TV"
Two years later he built a hardware store across the street, the
basement becoming the TV repair shop. He now employed two service
technicians besides himself.
In 1956 color TV came to Huntington. He sold so many RCA color sets
that he became friends with Robert Sarnoff. They remained regular
golfing buddies until Sarnoff's death in 1997.
1956 also brought an event which changed my life completely. Up until
that time, my ambition was to be an architect. In 1956 my father
became a Raytheon wholesaler. Amongst the goodies were CK722, CK760
and CK761 ;-) I had built many toooob amplifiers, ultra-linear,
Dynaco, etc., but was never really turned on by electronics.
Transistors hooked me.
In 1958, I received a full Alumni Fund National Scholarship to MIT,
and you know the rest ;-)
My father retired around 1990, becoming a bit of a world traveler. In
1995 my mother died. In 1997 he remarried.
From before his "retirement" until his death, he maintained a
full-fledged wood shop in the basement of his home, making handcrafted
Dulcimers from exotic woods, cherry, walnut, butternut, etc... at
least 68 that I know of. During a family reunion at Richmond I helped
him gather walnuts, fallen from trees at Mount Vernon, to inlay in
several Dulcimers. He also performed regularly with the Tri-State
Dulcimer Society.
He died November 7, 2008, almost a month past his 90th birthday...
http://news.herald-dispatch.com/obituaries/index.php?id=36871570
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:22:28 -0400, Steve Hall <sha...@canada.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:01:08 -0600,
>>>>hal-u...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com>,
>>>>> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>>>>>>Coming Soon to Your State...
>>>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>>>>>>All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
>>>>>electricity use in California, according to the state's
>>>>>energy commission.
>>>>
>>>>That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
>>>
>>>A leftist weenie like Republican Governor Schwarzenegger?
>>>
>>>"I applaud the commission for its hard work to enact these and other
>>>cost-effective energy efficiency standards that are not only great for
>>>the environment, but also good for consumers," the governor said in a
>>>statement.
>>>
>>>>I would expect your refrigerator, or washer and dryer to account for
>>>>more.
>>>>
>>>And they do. What part of 10% doesn't allow for other items to
>>>account for more? Even so, 10% is way too much for a non-essential
>>>device, and it's growing (Plasma TVs use 3 times the power of old CRTs
>>>and LCDs use 1.5 time the power of CRTs).
>>>
>>>I would think that an engineer like yourself would appreciate higher
>>>standards in consumer electronics (especially since they create work
>>>for engineers). Are you so blinded by your anti-government agenda
>>>that you can't recognize a good thing when you see it?
>>
>>Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
>>and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
>
>I drive an SUV and don't need roads. Why should my tax dollars pay
>for your roads you leftist weenie? :)
If you truly drove only off-road, you'd know full-well that you don't
have to even register your vehicle. For example, farm vehicles don't
have to pay the taxes on gasoline.
Jim Yanik
His food,medicines,police and fire protection all come via roads.
The gas to fuel his SUV comes via roads.
Maybe he'll stop buying his food and grow his own,and use the Obama plan
for his medicine(do without) and fire/police protection.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
Steve Hall is just your typical uninformed Canadian whiner.
...Jim Thompson
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Liberals need to learn to choose better
crackers and cheese with their whine.
Clint Sharp
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes
>
>No surprise I guess. Even supposedly rational voters let warm and
>fuzzy political correctness elect a totally incompetent President :-(
I've never heard Bush described as warm, fuzzy or politically correct
but hey...
Jim Thompson
Do you Brits actually think we care what you think?
Obama would like to lay down and kiss your ass... the next Prez will
then kick it ;-)
krw
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
But you repeat yourself.
Joel Koltner
message
[etc.]
Thanks Jim, that's an impressive list! Definitely a man to be proud of.
> 1956 also brought an event which changed my life completely. Up until
> that time, my ambition was to be an architect. In 1956 my father
> became a Raytheon wholesaler. Amongst the goodies were CK722, CK760
> and CK761 ;-) I had built many toooob amplifiers, ultra-linear,
> Dynaco, etc., but was never really turned on by electronics.
> Transistors hooked me.
And here I always figured that it was while you were recovering from polio a
decade earlier that you spent your time building electronics and getting
hooked. :-)
> In 1958, I received a full Alumni Fund National Scholarship to MIT,
> and you know the rest ;-)
Did anyone else from your high school get a scholarship to MIT? I'd have to
admit I was completely unaware when I was in high school that there even
*were* such scholarships until late into my senior year. I received a small
cash award from the local fire department (of all places...), although we did
have one guy -- who defintely was quite savvy -- who got a ride to MIT.
Once there he chose his major as something like renaissance history (!). I
was almost disappointed, figuring he was going to be a nuclear physicist or at
least *something* in engineering or the sciences. These days he works as an
"IT guy" in the security/fraud prevention department of a big bank.
---Joel
Michael A. Terrell
There were enough exploding electrolytics for lazy techs. Old tube TV
sets with a voltage doubler for the B+ often had a failing
electrolytic. the fuse would blow, and the customer would lug it in. A
lazy tech just shoved another fuse into the set, or even worse they used
a jumper. They they had to clean the aluminum foil & electrolyte out of
the TV and the shop.
The good techs would plug the set into a variac after replacing the
fuse and slowly ramp up the line voltage while monitoring the current.
Jim Thompson
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>message
>> One room schoolhouse teacher
>[etc.]
>
>Thanks Jim, that's an impressive list! Definitely a man to be proud of.
Indeed!
>
>> 1956 also brought an event which changed my life completely. Up until
>> that time, my ambition was to be an architect. In 1956 my father
>> became a Raytheon wholesaler. Amongst the goodies were CK722, CK760
>> and CK761 ;-) I had built many toooob amplifiers, ultra-linear,
>> Dynaco, etc., but was never really turned on by electronics.
>> Transistors hooked me.
>
>And here I always figured that it was while you were recovering from polio a
>decade earlier that you spent your time building electronics and getting
>hooked. :-)
I had polio in the summer of 1947 (I was 7 years old). My father was
barely back from WWII, and was working as an electrician.
I didn't build my first radio, a TRF (toooob), until I was about 10,
and in the Cub Scouts... thrilled to death that I could pick up WBZ
(Boston).
>
>> In 1958, I received a full Alumni Fund National Scholarship to MIT,
>> and you know the rest ;-)
>
>Did anyone else from your high school get a scholarship to MIT?
There was a fellow named Campbell, from another high school in town,
who got a scholarship to MIT, a few years earlier. That enthused me
to try for one myself.
Besides MIT, I had scholarship offers from Case, Carnegie, Georgia
Tech, CalTech and University of Cincinnati (my fall-back in case I
didn't get any scholarship).
I was also talking to the Air Force... I was getting out of West
Virginia one way or the other ;-)
I was also offered free schooling by the FBI, but I declined ;-)
(No surprise... my father had security clearances in Japan, and my
wife-to-be's father had Q-clearance in WWII :-)
>I'd have to
>admit I was completely unaware when I was in high school that there even
>*were* such scholarships until late into my senior year. I received a small
>cash award from the local fire department (of all places...),
Yep. I got all those community awards, Kiwanis, etc. The Chamber of
Commerce plaque was presented to me by just-elected-Congressman Ken
Hechler, author of "Bridge at Remagen"...
http://www.randomhouse.ca/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780891418603
>although we did
>have one guy -- who defintely was quite savvy -- who got a ride to MIT.
>
>Once there he chose his major as something like renaissance history (!). I
>was almost disappointed, figuring he was going to be a nuclear physicist or at
>least *something* in engineering or the sciences. These days he works as an
>"IT guy" in the security/fraud prevention department of a big bank.
>
>---Joel
>
Figures ;-)
Joel Koltner
> I had polio in the summer of 1947 (I was 7 years old). My father was
> barely back from WWII, and was working as an electrician.
That must have been hard on your mother while he was gone.
> Besides MIT, I had scholarship offers from Case, Carnegie, Georgia
> Tech, CalTech and University of Cincinnati (my fall-back in case I
> didn't get any scholarship).
OK, I think this qualifies as a blank check! Were these scholarships based
solely on academic performance? Most impressive...
(These days so many kids get perfect grades it seems they also consider
whether or not you've spent enough time helping gay whales understand that
beaching themselves isn't the solution to life's woes and that they really
just need to find a warm body of water where gay marraige to penguins is legal
and comes with state-funded health care to help raise their darling
offspring.)
> I was also talking to the Air Force... I was getting out of West
> Virginia one way or the other ;-)
Having read Homer Hickman's book, "Rocket Boys" some years ago I don't blame
you!
What did your sister end up doing?
---Joel
Clint Sharp
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes
>
>You didn't note my calculation of $5.25/month for a plasma set, based
>on my usage of 3.5 hours per day?
for most homes if not more.
>Hardly an amount I would even notice...
True, but you're not exactly a typical home owner, you know what a watt
is....
>
>My electric bill dropped from $601/mo to $325/mo this past bill... it
>got cool here in Arizona ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
--
Clint Sharp
Jim Thompson
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>message news:utllg5tv5099aspl7...@4ax.com...
>> I had polio in the summer of 1947 (I was 7 years old). My father was
>> barely back from WWII, and was working as an electrician.
>
>That must have been hard on your mother while he was gone.
Yep. She worked as a waitress in a restaurant.
>
>> Besides MIT, I had scholarship offers from Case, Carnegie, Georgia
>> Tech, CalTech and University of Cincinnati (my fall-back in case I
>> didn't get any scholarship).
>
>OK, I think this qualifies as a blank check! Were these scholarships based
>solely on academic performance? Most impressive...
Yes. This was pre-need-based awards... remember "Merit Scholarships"?
>
>(These days so many kids get perfect grades it seems they also consider
>whether or not you've spent enough time helping gay whales understand that
>beaching themselves isn't the solution to life's woes and that they really
>just need to find a warm body of water where gay marraige to penguins is legal
>and comes with state-funded health care to help raise their darling
>offspring.)
>
>> I was also talking to the Air Force... I was getting out of West
>> Virginia one way or the other ;-)
>
>Having read Homer Hickman's book, "Rocket Boys" some years ago I don't blame
>you!
Yup. Chuck Yeager is a West Virginia boy!!
>
>What did your sister end up doing?
>
>---Joel
>
Pharmacist. (Schooled at University of Cincinnati, where she still
lives.)
mpm
wrote:
For me, (as the new tech), I got the pleasure of working on one of
those old analog Motorola starpoint microwave transceivers.
For days I had been hoping it would not end up on my bench. We barely
had the test gear....
Lucky me, though, when it landed I spotted a hairline crack in one of
the output waveguides.
Just a quick hit with the solder iron and all was new again.
I never told the other techs how I fixed it so quickly.
Sure, they were at least a little impressed, but it didn't go nearly
as far as it should have to elevate the street cred of the new kid.
mpm
Web-Site.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:57:17 -0400, Steve Hall <sha...@canada.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:22:28 -0400, Steve Hall <sha...@canada.com>
> >>wrote:
>
>
> >>>>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:01:08 -0600,
>
> >>>>>In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2tqfki7fenkt49j...@4ax.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Humm, that's interesting.
Never really thought much about that -- being a city boy and all....
But I wonder - do farm tractors have to pay the fuel tax on corn
ethonol? :)
mpm
> In message <5jpdg5hl2en7ouviouoteplul46747h...@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson
> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> writes
>
> >No surprise I guess. Even supposedly rational voters let warm and
> >fuzzy political correctness elect a totally incompetent President :-(
>
> I've never heard Bush described as warm, fuzzy or politically correct
> but hey...
>
>
>
> > ...Jim Thompson
>
> --
> Clint Sharp
Some molds are fuzzy, and like to grow in warm, damp dark places.
Guess that's close enough. :)
Clint Sharp
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes
>
>Do you Brits actually think we care what you think?
sense of humour...
Michael A. Terrell
Clint Sharp wrote:
>
> Nope, not in the slightest (which works both ways BTW) but we do have a
> sense of humour...
Too bad that they rarely show it.
JosephKK
Shebang! It just hit me, demand that all of Congress and all their
aids and office folk be put on the public option as well. Then we
will see just how good it is. Oh, we will tell them that they can buy
additional coverage out of their own pockets if they report doing so
publicly and what it costs them.
keithr
>
> Clint Sharp wrote:
>>
>> Nope, not in the slightest (which works both ways BTW) but we do have a
>> sense of humour...
>
>
> Too bad that they rarely show it.
More often than in the US.
Hal Murray
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
>and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
Why do we need the government to run fire departments?
I thought (parts of?) Arizona had fire departments that were
run and paid for by fire insurance.
--
These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.
Jim Thompson
hal-u...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) wrote:
>In article <m0cdg51m5mb4jci1b...@4ax.com>,
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>
>>Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
>>and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
>
>Why do we need the government to run fire departments?
>
>I thought (parts of?) Arizona had fire departments that were
>run and paid for by fire insurance.
Indeed! RuralMetro company. But they were cherry-picking areas, and
refusing to service even across a street.
In one instance they let a Jack-in-the-Box burn to the ground along
Scottsdale Road, because it was in Phoenix and not in Scottsdale, even
though their station was just across the street.
Hal, Why do you have "Followup-To: _empty_entry_ " set? "Reply-to"
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Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>
>>Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments... and
>>leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
>
> Why do we need the government to run fire departments?
>
> I thought (parts of?) Arizona had fire departments that were run and paid
> for by fire insurance.
We could get along with about ten percent of the cops we've already got if
we would simply call off the insane war on drugs.
Cheers!
Rich