Can you run LTspice on a cellphone?

[Steve Wilson]

A google search shows a number of ways of running MS programs on android
cellphones. One method suggests running Wine, then you can load whatever EXE
desired.

Has anyone been able to run LTspice on android? How did you do it, and how
well does it work?

Thanks,



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[Ed Lee]

On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:46:33 PM UTC-7, Steve Wilson wrote:
> A google search shows a number of ways of running MS programs on android
> cellphones. One method suggests running Wine, then you can load whatever EXE
> desired.

Android runs Java. I don't think WinE works on Java.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:9dd3766d-3364-41b2...@googlegroups.com:

<https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/news/5-great-android-apps-for-
electrical-engineers/>

[Ed Lee]

which are Java apps, not Win apps on WinE.

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

you don't have to run java on android, it is basically linux. But there are very few if any cellphones with a an x86 cpu

[Steve Wilson]

Android runs ARM, which emulates X86. Obviously a bit slower, but it works.

[Don Y]

On 6/12/2021 8:13 PM, Steve Wilson wrote:
> Lasse Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
>

>> lørdag den 12. juni 2021 kl. 05.52.14 UTC+2 skrev Ed Lee:
>>> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:46:33 PM UTC-7, Steve Wilson wrote:
>>>> A google search shows a number of ways of running MS programs on
>>>> android cellphones. One method suggests running Wine, then you can
>>>> load whatever EXE desired.
>>> Android runs Java. I don't think WinE works on Java.
>
>> you don't have to run java on android, it is basically linux. But there
>> are very few if any cellphones with a an x86 cpu
>
> Android runs ARM, which emulates X86. Obviously a bit slower, but it works.

Huh? There are android ports that run *on* ARM
but, AFAICT, not a practical x86 emulator HOSTED on ARM.
The architectures are very different.

Does anyone have a Bochs port to ARM? Bochs on ARM Android.
Then, x86 Windows on Bochs? Then LTspice on Windows?

It seems like it would be easier to port an FOSS spice-alike
directly to Java (and run it on any Java platform)

[John Doe]

As the other posts suggest, maybe there is no interest.

Perhaps partly because smartphones suck for energy hungry applications.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 01:46:28 -0000 (UTC), Steve Wilson
<spa...@not.com> wrote:

>A google search shows a number of ways of running MS programs on android
>cellphones. One method suggests running Wine, then you can load whatever EXE
>desired.
>
>Has anyone been able to run LTspice on android? How did you do it, and how
>well does it work?

"Opinions vary". ;-)

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote in
news:sa3vtt$pdj$1...@dont-email.me:

> As the other posts suggest, maybe there is no interest.
>
> Perhaps partly because smartphones suck for energy hungry
> applications.
>

Your phone muct be half a decade old then because modern smartphones
are as powerful as the original supercomputers were.

Plenty of full bore engineering apps on mobile device platforms out
there, ya dopey fuck.

[John Doe]

Foulmouthed reactionary troll "Always Wrong" being wrong,
as always...

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[Johann Klammer]

On 06/12/2021 03:46 AM, Steve Wilson wrote:
> A google search shows a number of ways of running MS programs on android
> cellphones. One method suggests running Wine, then you can load whatever EXE
> desired.
>
> Has anyone been able to run LTspice on android? How did you do it, and how
> well does it work?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>

Wine runs natively, so it'll need some x86 underneath.
It's also the reason you can't use the newer windows
stuff on 32 bit systems.

[bitrex]

As of Wine 3.0 (mid 2019) Wine supports running Windows apps on Android.
Someone should check it out!

[bitrex]

Forgot to add, it's only for Android for x86-based mobile devices, for
the reasons given

[John Doe]

BTW... There's a reasonably active Android group...

comp.mobile.android

Doubtful they would know anything about running electronics design software,
but who knows.

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

aren't they extremely rare?

[bitrex]

Windows-on-ARM devices like the Surface Pro can already run some 32 bit
x86 applications and 64 bit x86 support is "coming soon", along with
some ARM-based Windows-10-for-mobile smartphones that should be able to
run 64 bit Win 10 apps...

There are a few x86-based smartphones like the Asus Zenphone still
available using the 32 bit Intel Atom processor that might be able to
run the i386 LTSpice using Wine 3.0, unfortunately for Intel the Atom
was a bit of a dud as a mobile processor.

[bitrex]

Asus Zenphone seems to have been the most well-known type from a few
years back. Anything Intel Atom should work though, which while
unpopular for smartphones now (ok, never really was..) still seems to be
used a fair amount in various cheap tablets and other mobile widgets
mostly for market in the 3rd world

<https://www.amazon.com/Windows-Fusion5-FWIN232-Quad-core-Bluetooth/dp/B07HY8X46F/>

Wine 3.0 on the Android-x86 port might let you run LT on that thing,
Windows 10S only lets you run Microsoft Store apps no 3rd party. I doubt
trying to install any full version of Windows would fly.

Also any ChromeOS device using say an Intel Celeron under-the-hood with
the Chrome ARC like many Chromebooks and Chrome OS tablets etc should
work, like the relatively cheap Acer Spin:

<https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Chromebook-Convertible-Bluetooth-CP311-2H-C679/dp/B086MBQKH2/>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_App_Runtime_for_Chrome>

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 01:46:28 -0000 (UTC), Steve Wilson
<spa...@not.com> wrote:

>A google search shows a number of ways of running MS programs on android
>cellphones. One method suggests running Wine, then you can load whatever EXE
>desired.
>
>Has anyone been able to run LTspice on android? How did you do it, and how
>well does it work?
>
>Thanks,

If you can't get LTspice to run on your Android smartphone, some
alternatives:

CircuitSafari SPICE Simulator (Early Access)
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.logipipe.circuitsafari>

Spice Circuit
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hakasoft.SpiceCirc>

WeSpice
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.lindentree.wespicedemo>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.lindentree.wespice>

There are also web apps, that run in a browser window:

Partsim
<https://www.partsim.com>

Multisim
<https://www.multisim.com>


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[Johann Klammer]

On 06/15/2021 12:34 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 01:46:28 -0000 (UTC), Steve Wilson
> <spa...@not.com> wrote:
>
>> A google search shows a number of ways of running MS programs on android
>> cellphones. One method suggests running Wine, then you can load whatever EXE
>> desired.
>>
>> Has anyone been able to run LTspice on android? How did you do it, and how
>> well does it work?
>>
>> Thanks,
>
> If you can't get LTspice to run on your Android smartphone, some
> alternatives:
>
> CircuitSafari SPICE Simulator (Early Access)
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.logipipe.circuitsafari>
>
> Spice Circuit
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hakasoft.SpiceCirc>
>
> WeSpice
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.lindentree.wespicedemo>
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.lindentree.wespice>
>
> There are also web apps, that run in a browser window:
>
> Partsim
> <https://www.partsim.com>
>
> Multisim
> <https://www.multisim.com>
>
>

https://ptolemy.berkeley.edu/projects/embedded/pubs/downloads/spice/

[Steve Wilson]

Android runs ARM. It emulates X86 to run Wine:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=run+wine+on+android

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

and if you read them you'd know you need an x86 device to run anything but WinRT apps

[Don Y]

Let's get some nomenclature right:

ARM is a hardware *platform* (CPU technology).
Android is a software platform (OS).

Android runs *on* ARM (as well as x86).
Software runs ON hardware.
Applications run on OSs (or OS emulators)

Wine on Android on ARM supports only applications
that were designed to run on Windows RT, 32b.
(can you say that for LTspice?)

From
<https://updato.com/how-to/windows-on-android-wine-3-0-use-windows-emulator-for-android/>:

"Despite the fact that Wine 3.0 can run Windows on Android,

(Note "Android", not EVERY Android port!)

in theory, the developers are keen to state that it isn’t really
a Windows emulator for Android. More so due to the fact that the
software is barely stable enough to run,

(this has been the issue with Wine since forever!)

and its compatibility is hardware-dependent. Wine 3.0 is best
compatible with an Android device packed with a processor that
runs on x86 architecture.

(this ^^!)

Since the majority of our mobile and tablet devices run on
ARM-powered SoC, this means that the support is limited.
However, CodeWeavers have released a version of Wine 3.0
for ARM-based devices as well, but with limited compatibility
for apps.

(and this ^^)

Support to run programs for Windows on Android is limited to
applications ported to the Windows RT operating system.

(and this ^^)

Since there aren’t many applications available for Microsoft’s
32-bit Windows RT operating system, you’ll need an x86 chipset
Android phone or tablet, or a Chromebook to make the best out
of it."

Then:

"We tested out the Wine 3.0 app on a couple of ARM-based
Android devices, and could only get it to work on the
Samsung Galaxy Tab A. The app launched perfectly every time

(note the "app" is Wine, not LTspice!)

and the interface with workable, but most Windows RT
apps that we tried out either failed to launch or gave
back and error.

(ooops!)

CodeWeavers recommend that you use Wine 3.0 on an Android
device running an x86 SoC chipset for stable performance.

(Android on x86)

Seems to me that the LTspice people would be the best
place to start as they, undoubtedly, would like their
app to be as universally accessible as possible! Even
if that means adding some effort to their task.

OTOH, they may feel there is no need to expend effort
to port their app to a phone -- and have to deal with
the issues that it presents (UI/UX), there.

[bitrex]

Analog Devices owns LTSpice now, Mike Engelhardt is gone and I expect
there is no interest in the current management's plan for that software
other than what can be confirmed to directly leads to more sales of AD
chips and making it buggy junk as a side-hobby.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 21:07:36 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

>Analog Devices owns LTSpice now, Mike Engelhardt is gone and I expect
>there is no interest in the current management's plan for that software
>other than what can be confirmed to directly leads to more sales of AD
>chips and making it buggy junk as a side-hobby.

<https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-engelhardt-a788a822/>
Under the "About" section:
Best known as the author of LTspice, but have since written
an all new and better simulator! Currently working on an
appropriate business model for it. Message me if interested.

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 20:05:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 21:07:36 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
>>Analog Devices owns LTSpice now, Mike Engelhardt is gone and I expect
>>there is no interest in the current management's plan for that software
>>other than what can be confirmed to directly leads to more sales of AD
>>chips and making it buggy junk as a side-hobby.
>
><https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-engelhardt-a788a822/>
>Under the "About" section:
> Best known as the author of LTspice, but have since written
> an all new and better simulator! Currently working on an
> appropriate business model for it. Message me if interested.

His simulator should be not too far away now.

--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

[Steve Wilson]

Lasse Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:

LTspice IV and XVII run fine under Wine.

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

sure, as long as you have got an x86 cpu

[Steve Wilson]

Nope. As above: "Android runs ARM. It emulates X86 to run Wine"

Here is a 2019 article. There are some compatibility problems, but these
are expected to be ironed out.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

How to Run Windows Apps on Android With Wine

By Christian Cawley

Published Dec 12, 2019

If you want to run Windows apps on Android, this is how you do it.

Ever wanted to run Windows software on your Android device? Probably
not... but what if you could? What if your Android device could
finally act as a Windows desktop replacement, simply by running
Windows software?

Recently, the Wine project has released an Android-compatible
version. Long embraced by Linux users (mostly gamers) requiring a
fix of their favorite Windows-only software, this option is now
available on Android.

But does it work as well as expected? And why would you bother
anyway, given the wealth of software available on Android? Let's
find out.

What Is Wine?

Often mistakenly described as an "emulator", Wine (a recursive
acronym that stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator) is in fact a
compatibility layer. This is a software library that makes Linux,
macOS and BSD capable of running Windows application. Although some
emulation is involved (specifically, the Windows runtime
environment), Wine does not emulate an operating system.

Over the years, Wine has become increasingly popular as a way to run
Windows software on other platforms. While installing a virtual
machine is one option (perhaps, say, to run Microsoft Office on
Linux), Wine is arguably simpler to set up.

Wine has been available for ARM devices (such as the Raspberry Pi)
for some time. Now Wine has been released for Android.

How to Install Wine on Android

Before installing Wine on your Android device, you'll need to ensure
you can install APKs.

Typically, the ability to install software on your phone or tablet
is restricted to any source beyond the Google Play Store by default.
Enable this by opening Settings > Security and tapping the switch
for Unknown sources. Click OK to confirm the action.

Wine is available as an APK file for Android from the Wine download
site.

Download: Wine for Android (Free)

Several versions are available for ARM processors (most Android
devices) and x86 processors (mostly tablets, but only a small
number). Identify which architecture your device has before
downloading (you can check this by finding the device on Wikipedia).

After downloading to your device (or to your PC, before syncing to
your favorite cloud drive), it's time to install.

Tap the APK file, and agree to installation. Wait as it unpacks,
then approve the installation; you'll be notified that Wine needs
access to record audio, and modify, delete, and read the contents of
your device's SD card. Audio recording is required by some apps you
might wish to use in Wine.

Once installation is complete, hit open, and wait while the Windows
environment is created.

Which Windows Apps Can You Run?

While Wine will run some software on ARM devices, the best results
will be found on those x86-based Android devices.

Since you're probably on an ARM-based Android device, you'll be
limited to apps that have been adapted for use on Windows RT.
XDA-developers has produced a list of apps that run on ARM-based
Windows devices, so this is a good place to start.

Among these apps are useful tools such as Audacity, Notepad++,
FileZilla, Paint.NET. You'll also find some retro games that have
been open sourced. These include Doom and Quake 2, as well as open
source clone OpenTTD, a version of Transport Tycoon.

As Wine's popularity on Android and ARM devices increases, however,
this list is bound to grow. We understand the Wine project is
developing a method of using QEMU to emulate x86 instructions on ARM
hardware, so this bodes well for the future.

Some Features Are Missing... For Now

Certain libraries and APIs are required for games to run. Some
common APIs are currently missing from Wine on Android.

Missing, but likely to appear at some stage, are Direct3D 12,
Vulkan, and full OpenGL ES support (to enable Direct3D; this is
currently limited). Introducing these in Wine for Android will
expand the selection of applications that can be used.

However, Wine is under constant development. As such, these features
can be expected in a future release. Happily, Wine supports Direct3D
10 and 11, Direct3D command stream, and the Android graphics driver.
Meanwhile, we can also enjoy improved DirectWrite and Direct2D
support.

Exploring Wine on Android

When the software environment launches, you'll find a standard
Windows 7-style Start menu (with Wine logo), and a command line box.

To interact with Wine, you'll need a keyboard (and maybe a mouse)
attached to your Android device.

At this stage, shortly after Wine 3.0 for Android has been released,
there is no support for software keyboards, although tapping is
okay. The size of the desktop might be a problem, however; on the
device I tested this on, a Samsung Galaxy S2 tablet, the Start
button was tiny. To fix this, I switched the orientation to portrait
mode and then back to landscape.

This is why a mouse, or perhaps a stylus, is a good idea.

The command line interface works much as the standard Windows
command prompt did (prior to PowerShell's arrival).

Meanwhile, you can tap the Start button to find two menus. First is
Control Panel, with sub-menus Add/Remove Programs, Game Controllers,
and internet Settings. Second is Run...

Using Run... you can open a dialogue box to issue commands. For
instance, launching internet Explorer is possible by entering
iexplore.

All four options open a typical Windows-style screen to alter the
settings.

Installing Software in Wine

To get something running in Wine, you'll first need to download the
application (or sync via the cloud) to your Android device. Save it
in a memorable location, then navigate to it in the Wine Command
Prompt window.

For instance, if I downloaded a Windows executable file (EXE) to my
Android tablet, I'd save it to the Download folder. This can be
reached in the command line with:

cd sdcard/Download/[filename.exe]

To run the file in Wine for Android, simply input the name of the
EXE file. (Some versions of Wine require you to prefix this with the
wine command, but this isn't necessary.)

If the ARM-ready file is compatible, it should run. Otherwise,
you'll see a bunch of error messages. At this stage, installing
Windows software on Android in Wine isn't an exact science.

Help, My Android Won't Run Wine!

Having problems? Not all Android devices can run Wine. While it runs
on my Galaxy Tab S2, it apparently doesn't work on the Tab S.
Similarly, the OnePlus 5T will run Wine, whereas the 2016 Google
Pixel will not. Others with issues include the Xiaomi Mi5 and Huawei
Mate 10.

Eventually compatibility will increase, and a list of supported
devices will no doubt be created. Until then, it's really a case of
trial and error.

Meanwhile, if you own a Chromebook with Developer Mode enabled,
you'll be able to install Wine on a more suitable machine. Note that
there is also a version of Crossover for Chrome OS, although this
requires an x86 CPU.

Wine on Android: It's Happening

In a development that seemed unlikely just five years ago, it is now
possible to run Windows software on Android. While you might prefer
to remote connect to a Windows PC via Android, or even stream games
from your PC, this nevertheless offers a rare opportunity to take
Windows with you.

The possibilities Wine on Android offers are considerable. While
currently limited, it's likely that what's possible with Wine on
your smartphone or tablet will increase over time, as bugs are
ironed out and compatibility improved.


https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/run-windows-apps-android/
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Additional Info:

-------------------------------------------------------------------

So, Wine on Android is a bit limited at the moment, but it’s early days. As
the name is keen to remind you, Wine is not an emulator, just a compatibility
layer, so for the best results you’ll want to use an Android device with an
x86 Intel processor (such as a tablet or Chromebook).

If your Android device uses an ARM processor (pretty much all smartphones
do), then Wine uses the open source emulator QEMU.

This adds a layer of complexity, but for now it’s an impressive feat to get
Windows programs running on Android devices, and users can look forward to
future versions that add new features and iron out the kinks.

https://www.techradar.com/news/wine-30-lets-you-run-windows-programs-on-
android
-------------------------------------------------------------------

[Tom Del Rosso]

Steve Wilson wrote:
> A google search shows a number of ways of running MS programs on
> android cellphones. One method suggests running Wine, then you can
> load whatever EXE desired.
>
> Has anyone been able to run LTspice on android? How did you do it,
> and how well does it work?

If you have a Linux phone ($800 and the most secure phone) you can run
Virtual Box and load a Windows image in that.


--
Defund the Thought Police

[Ed Lee]

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 2:34:56 AM UTC-7, Steve Wilson wrote:
> Lasse Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
>
> > tirsdag den 15. juni 2021 kl. 06.07.21 UTC+2 skrev Steve Wilson:
> >> Lasse Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
> >> > tirsdag den 15. juni 2021 kl. 00.57.30 UTC+2 skrev Steve Wilson:
> >> >> Johann Klammer <klam...@NOSPAM.a1.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On 06/12/2021 03:46 AM, Steve Wilson wrote:
> >> >> >> A google search shows a number of ways of running MS programs on
> >> >> >> android cellphones. One method suggests running Wine, then you
> >> >> >> can load whatever EXE desired.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Has anyone been able to run LTspice on android? How did you do
> >> >> >> it, and how well does it work?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > Wine runs natively, so it'll need some x86 underneath.
> >> >> > It's also the reason you can't use the newer windows stuff on 32
> >> >> > bit systems.
> >> >> Android runs ARM. It emulates X86 to run Wine:
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.google.ca/search?q=run+wine+on+android
> >> >
> >> > and if you read them you'd know you need an x86 device to run
> >> > anything but WinRT apps
> >> LTspice IV and XVII run fine under Wine.

Linux, perhaps.

> > sure, as long as you have got an x86 cpu
> Nope. As above: "Android runs ARM. It emulates X86 to run Wine"

The question is why would you want to run electronics design software on a phone? With limited screen area and no keyboard or mouse, Window apps are hard to use. Even Java apps on Linux are unreliable. The STM IDE freezes and crashs often. I am currently compiling project outside the IDE, with just makefiles.

[Tom Del Rosso]

Oops, no, that would require an x86 too.

[John Doe]

lol

Trying to use a smartphone OS to emulate another OS (that of course reduces
resources), so you can run complex software smartphones suck at running...

That's not aiming directly at this application under discussion, just the
idea. Smartphones definitely don't run real life CAD programs.

It's not just the lack of processing power, it's also of course the tiny
screen size. Then there is the horrible input capability. Etc.

[Tom Del Rosso]

Yes, although a Linux phone can connect to any USB device (mouse,
keyboard, video adapter). I can't think of a practical reason to do it,
but possible.

[DecadentLinux...@decadence.org]

John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote in

news:saan8t$3nh$2...@dont-email.me:

> lol
>
> Trying to use a smartphone OS to emulate another OS (that of
> course reduces resources), so you can run complex software
> smartphones suck at running...

The 'smartphone' has zero problem running the not all too complex
at all LT Spice. And there are other SPICE app made specifically for
use on a phone.

>
> That's not aiming directly at this application under discussion,
> just the idea. Smartphones definitely don't run real life CAD
> programs.

HID differences are the only drawbacks.

> It's not just the lack of processing power,

Smartphones are faster than Pentiums were. Probably have better
graphics than any computer you ever had as well. But you are not
known for being very bright.

> it's also of course
> the tiny screen size.

There are idiots out there watching movies on their watch. There
will certainly be idiots wanting to run engineering apps on them as
well. Looking up a schematic or drawing without a laptop nearby...

many other uses.

>Then there is the horrible input capability.
> Etc.

Wow. You read and re-spew shit you have read back into the group to
appear as if to be intelligent. The "it's not just the processing
power" comment proves that you are about as dopey as it gets when it
comes to computers.

And even more stupid when it comes to politics. And you do not
even realize just how transparent you are to the readers of this
group.



>

[John Doe]

How AlwaysWrong is so wrong so much of the time gives one
the impression it MUST be intentional...

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John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote in

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Wrong about you being a fucking retard? Nope.

Wrong about how much processing power a smartphone has? Nope?

Wrong about how many engineering apps are out there being used on
phones by real engineers? Nope.

Wrong about your obvious lack of grasp? Nope.

Wrong about how you simply repeat what you read? Nope?

So, what is it you claim I was wrong about, asswipe?