the heavy body trick
RichD
acts, is the 'heavy body' trick. The performer asks 2 volunteers
to lift him. First, he tenses his whole body, and they lift him
easily.
Then, he goes limp, which generates 'chi', and gets heavier, i.e.
rooted to the ground.
So how does this relaxation technique make him unliftable?
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Sam Wormley
> Popular among so-called martial arts demos, and similar circus
> acts, is the 'heavy body' trick. The performer asks 2 volunteers
> to lift him. First, he tenses his whole body, and they lift him
> easily.
> Then, he goes limp, which generates 'chi', and gets heavier, i.e.
> rooted to the ground.
Why are you trolling Rich?
Richard Henry
Did you ever try to move a mattress?
Michael A. Terrell
No, but I have moved quite a few.
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You can test this at home, without paying for a circus ticket.
First get your wife. Grab her, pick her up and say: "Fun time in the
bedroom" (She'll go stiff as a board, and tell you to go straight to
hell.)
Next, get her roaring drunk. Try the same trick, and she'll be limp as
a wet noodle and if you want any it'll have to be right there on the
kitchen floor.
PD
You can pick the performer up pretty easily if you curl your fingers
in his hair and pull upward.
But if the agreed upon method is to raise up by getting your arms
under him and lifting, then it's pretty easy to see how to defeat
that. Take a garbage bag and put in it 8 gallons of water, which
weighs only 64 pounds, a weight most people can lift with ease. But
put your arms under the bag and try to lift it.
PD
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
Yes. Back and forth.
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wrote
on Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
<168128e4-ea9c-4c6b...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>:
Best I can do is contrast the lifting of a sword from the
hilt or a stiff steel or wooden rod, and then touching
the other endpoint to, say, a doorknob, both ends of the
sword being at chest height, to picking up a steel chain,
cable, or towel from the end and attempting to lift it
in a similar fashion and touch the same doornob with the
other end of the chain.
Can't be done unless one flicks the chain or towel rapidly.
(Flicking cables will probably damage them. ;-) )
Chi has nothing to do with it, AFAICT.
A similar suggestion has been made regarding protesting;
the protester goes limp, and the police attempting to
drag him off need more manpower to get him out of the way.
The effect is limited, of course.
In some cases one can also bring a stretcher, usually if
the person is unconscious and injured.
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RichD
Premise not supported by evidence.
Can you answer the question, or no?
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RichD
Good idea, but still unsatisfactory...
Why is the watery bag so difficult to lift?
What makes it 'heavier'?.
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RichD
> > Popular among so-called martial arts demos, and similar circus
> > acts, is the 'heavy body' trick. The performer asks 2 volunteers
> > to lift him. First, he tenses his whole body, and they lift him
> > easily. Then, he goes limp, which generates 'chi',
> > and gets heavier, i.e. rooted to the ground.
>
> > So how does this relaxation technique make him unliftable?
>
Dodgy answer.
A mattress is 7' x 3', too big for one person
to grip. But 2 people, holding opposite ends,
can move it easily, whether stiff or flexible.
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> On Aug 30, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Popular among so-called martial arts demos, and similar circus
>> > to lift him. ?First, he tenses his whole body, and they lift him
>> > easily. Then, he goes limp, which generates 'chi',
>> > and gets heavier, i.e. rooted to the ground.
>>
>> > So how does this relaxation technique make him unliftable?
>>
>> You can pick the performer up pretty easily if you curl your fingers
>> in his hair and pull upward.
>>
>> But if the agreed upon method is to raise up by
>> getting your arms under him and lifting, then it's
>> pretty easy to see how to defeat that. Take a
>> garbage bag and put in it 8 gallons of water, which
>> weighs only 64 pounds, a weight most people can lift
>> with ease. But put your arms under the bag and try to lift it.
>
>
> Good idea, but still unsatisfactory...
To who, stage performers?
> Why is the watery bag so difficult to lift?
Because saggy things that flop around are more difficult for people
to lift than stiff things.
> What makes it 'heavier'?.
Nothing but your imagination.
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Spaceman
It is not "heavier"
It has less rigidity.
The less the rigid, the harder it is to control the object.
The more rigid the less control points needed to pick up
the object.
Spreading force to more control points lessens the force
that can be put into any one control point.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
Because you are expending energy trying to keep the limp body from
flopping around.
Hint: Roll them in a carpet before loading them in your trunk. It makes
them easier to handle.
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Perception is everything. Several people have supplied the correct
answer. It's easier to grab and hold a stiff object, than one that is
limp or semi-fluid. It's not the weight, it's the grip and handling.
This is emphasized in Aikido, which is also known as the "relaxed"
martial art. It's not easy to be relaxed under stress, which is much
of what Aikido teaches. Aikido also emphasizes balance, which is
something that a limp and relaxed person lacks. There is no obvious
or consistent center of gravity, about which one can lift and throw.
That's why it's so difficult to lift a loose bag of water. When
limp, the center of gravity moves around almost at random. When
rigid, its location is obvious and easily exploited.
The same thing also applies to automobile accidents. A very limp and
loose drunk driver will tend to survive much better than the "frozen"
terror stricken sober driver. On impact, a limp person will tend to
distribute the force of over the entire body via "fluid" coupling,
while a muscularly rigid person will tend to absorb the force locally
via rigid muscle and solid bone coupling.
You might ask the same question in one of the martial arts newsgroups.
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With a limp body, there is a force vector on each
lifter, pulling them toward each other. They must
pull back and lift at the same time to raise the
body. Physiologically, it is very hard to pull
back with your hands down at your sides - the
position of your body is all wrong for your biceps
to do any horizontal pulling. Your shoulder
muscles have to provide the pulling force against
the long lever of your arm. A rigid body eliminates
that pulling, and your arms are in good position
to lift using biceps, or, if you squat to grasp the
body, your leg and back muscles can do the work, and
are in good position to do so.
Ed
tadchem
Try it with one finger and pasta.
Try to balance a strand of uncooked spaghetti on one finger. Not
hard, is it?
Cook it. Now try it again.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
PD
It's not heavier.
So why do YOU think a watery bag is so difficult to lift?
>
> --
> Rich
yazig
Must be that water, in general, is a chi master.
Renli
It would be simple to test that theory.
Fill a bag with water. Kick the shit out of it.
Did you win? (I'll assume yes).
Are you a chi master? (I'll assume no).
Two explanations are possible; Either the bag of water was a chi
master, and chi doesn't work - or maybe - just maybe, neither you nor
a bag of water has much chance of using their chi. Nahh that couldn't
be it. Water is a chi master, we take that fact as a given...
lol is it any wonder you have trouble figuring stuff like chi out... i
mean, any wonder at all?
-
YumYumPandaburger
> > > easily. Then, he goes limp, which generates 'chi',
> > > and gets heavier, i.e. rooted to the ground.
I generally generate Chi before I go limp
Jerry B. Altzman
Er, that's "jing", I think.
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Spaceman
:)
Chi must be accompanied by time.
hence you add the time factor "t" to the the "chi" factor
and you get "chit".
And with enough "chit" you can fool almost anyone.
:)
Loren...@gmx.de
Water to wine has been done before, but water to shit???
> be it. Water is a chi master, we take that fact as a given...
According to my Feng Shui book water can indeed produce
good qi, if used right... :-)
And as Bruce Lee said: "Be like water, my friend."
OTOH:
http://www.waterchi.com/
Aqua Chi Pro Classic Model 5400
Price $1,595.00
I just can't believe it.
LL
SPORTfighter
Let me simplify what other lesser men responded.
Things feel heavier when they are harder to grip.Period.
Fraser Johnston
1600 bucks for a foot spa. I'm in the wrong business.
Fraser
Richard Henry
wrote:
The real profit comes from the "ahipping and handling".
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> > But if the agreed upon method is to raise up by
> > getting your arms under him and lifting, then it's
> > pretty easy to see how to defeat that. Take a
> > garbage bag and put in it 8 gallons of water, which
> > weighs only 64 pounds, a weight most people can lift
> > with ease. But put your arms under the bag and try to lift it.
>
> Good idea, but still unsatisfactory...
> Why is the watery bag so difficult to lift?
> What makes it 'heavier'?.
Nothing makes it heavier; it weights exactly the same. The difference
is in your ability to apply force to lift it.
Back in the day, people didn't understand as much about the world
around them, so they would make up things like "chi" to explain what
they could not otherwise comprehend.
Pboud
come up with an answer..
shuu...@gmail.com
> > Back in the day, people didn't understand as much about the world
> > around them, so they would make up things like "chi" to explain what
> > they could not otherwise comprehend.
>
> Now, if they don't understand something, they "do science to it" and
I am SO sending the ghost of Julius Sumner Miller after your sorry
ass... [begins incantations]
Pboud
h...@nospam.org
what words do you use to describe everything you can't comprehend?
Hal
shuu...@gmail.com
> >Back in the day, people didn't understand as much about the world
> >around them, so they would make up things like "chi" to explain what
> >they could not otherwise comprehend.
>
> what words do you use to describe everything you can't comprehend?
Stop projecting your failings onto other people.
h...@nospam.org
it's a legitimate question. You claim "chi is a made-up thing to
explain what they could not otherwise comprehend". So are you
all-knowing? Doubt it. If not, then what words do you have made up
to explain what you cannot otherwise comprehend? It's easy. Even you
should be able to get it. List a few. Go ahead.
Hal
shuu...@gmail.com
> >> what words do you use to describe everything you can't comprehend?
>
> >Stop projecting your failings onto other people.
>
> it's a legitimate question.
No, it is a particularly lame attempt at projection.
> You claim "chi is a made-up thing to explain what they could not otherwise comprehend".
Yes, because clearly in the case presented, the "extra weight" is due
to mundane physics without any need for any additional construct such
as "chi" to explain it.
> So are you all-knowing?
Nope; it just seems that way in comparison to you.
> Doubt it.
Good, that is a glimmer of intelligence in the otherwise dark depths
of your stupidity.
> If not, then what words do you have made up
> to explain what you cannot otherwise comprehend?
None whatsoever beyond the age of four or five.
> It's easy.
Agreed; which is why people like you are so willing to do it.
> Even you should be able to get it. List a few. Go ahead.
We agree that anyone can do it. Your failing is in your inability to
*not* do it.
h...@nospam.org
>
>> >> what words do you use to describe everything you can't comprehend?
>>
>> >Stop projecting your failings onto other people.
>>
>> it's a legitimate question.
>
>No, it is a particularly lame attempt at projection.
no be ridiculous. I'm just baiting you. Whatsamatter, afraid to give
it a try?
of course you are.
>
>> You claim "chi is a made-up thing to explain what they could not otherwise comprehend".
>
>Yes, because clearly in the case presented, the "extra weight" is due
>to mundane physics without any need for any additional construct such
>as "chi" to explain it.
and think of a word you use to explain things beyond your
comprehension.
>
>> So are you all-knowing?
>
>Nope; it just seems that way in comparison to you.
>
>> Doubt it.
>
>Good, that is a glimmer of intelligence in the otherwise dark depths
>of your stupidity.
>
>> If not, then what words do you have made up
>> to explain what you cannot otherwise comprehend?
>
>None whatsoever beyond the age of four or five.
pussy
>
>> It's easy.
>
>Agreed; which is why people like you are so willing to do it.
>
>> Even you should be able to get it. List a few. Go ahead.
>
>We agree that anyone can do it. Your failing is in your inability to
>*not* do it.
whatever are you babbling about now? Go ahead. Be a man. Give it a
try. What is something you cannot comprehend and what word do you
use to describe it? Go ahead, punk. Make my day.
Hal
shuu...@gmail.com
> >> it's a legitimate question.
>
> >No, it is a particularly lame attempt at projection.
>
> no be ridiculous. I'm just baiting you. Whatsamatter, afraid to give
> it a try?
Baiting me to give an example of me doing something that *you*
routinely do... right, Hal - that makes a whole heap of sense...
> of course you are.
Riiight.
> >> You claim "chi is a made-up thing to explain what they could not otherwise comprehend".
>
> >Yes, because clearly in the case presented, the "extra weight" is due
> >to mundane physics without any need for any additional construct such
> >as "chi" to explain it.
>
> and think of a word you use to explain things beyond your
> comprehension.
I generally use something along the lines of "unknown", or
"undefined".
> >> If not, then what words do you have made up
> >> to explain what you cannot otherwise comprehend?
>
> >None whatsoever beyond the age of four or five.
>
> pussy
Delusional moron.
> >We agree that anyone can do it. Your failing is in your inability to
> >*not* do it.
>
> whatever are you babbling about now? Go ahead. Be a man. Give it a
> try. What is something you cannot comprehend and what word do you
> use to describe it? Go ahead, punk. Make my day.
Okay... okay... whenever I cannot determine the value of a column in
a row of data... I call it NULL!!
Oh, the shame!
h...@nospam.org
>
>> >> it's a legitimate question.
>>
>> >No, it is a particularly lame attempt at projection.
>>
> don't be ridiculous. I'm just baiting you. Whatsamatter, afraid to give
>> it a try?
>
>Baiting me to give an example of me doing something that *you*
>routinely do... right, Hal - that makes a whole heap of sense...
what on Earth are you babbling about? You claimed chi was a made up
term used to describe something beyond people's comprehension. I
asked you for an example of a word you use for things that are beyond
your comprehension. Do you not understand the question? Or you
afraid to play? Come on punk. Are you feeling lucky?
Hal
Rich Grise
> Popular among so-called martial arts demos, and similar circus
> acts, is the 'heavy body' trick. The performer asks 2 volunteers
> to lift him. First, he tenses his whole body, and they lift him
> easily.
> Then, he goes limp, which generates 'chi', and gets heavier, i.e.
> rooted to the ground.
>
> So how does this relaxation technique make him unliftable?
A limp human is almost impossible to pick up. I've been there, done
that. When the liftee makes himself rigid, it's like lifting a heavy
board. When he lets himself go limp, it's more like lifting a bag of
water.
Hope This Helps!
Rich
Rich Grise
> On Aug 29, Richard Henry <pomer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Did you ever try to move a mattress?
>
> Dodgy answer.
>
> A mattress is 7' x 3', too big for one person
> to grip.
Apparently, nobody's told you about the handles yet. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Rich Grise
The flow of Chi is continuous - the difference is in how well
you're able to recognize its subtleties - IOW, to "notice" it. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Rich Grise
If you've got an IOU for a pizza, would it be called a "pizza chit"? ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Rich Grise
>
> lol is it any wonder you have trouble figuring stuff like chi out... i
> mean, any wonder at all?
You can't "figure out" Chi - it can only be experienced. It'd be like
writing a quantum mechanical equation defining Love.
Hope This Helps!
Rich
Rich the Philosophizer
>
> Back in the day, people didn't understand as much about the world
> around them, so they would make up things like "chi" to explain what
> they could not otherwise comprehend.
Just denying its existence doesn't make it not be; The denial merely
limits the breadth and scope of your personal universe.
Cheers!
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> > don't be ridiculous. I'm just baiting you. Whatsamatter, afraid to give
> >> it a try?
>
> >Baiting me to give an example of me doing something that *you*
> >routinely do... right, Hal - that makes a whole heap of sense...
>
> what on Earth are you babbling about?
Your lame attempt at projection. I've already said that twice, but
since some of the words have more than two syllables, I can see how
you might have had some trouble following. Try reading slowly, and
aloud. Sound out the words that are difficult.
> You claimed chi was a made up term used to describe something beyond people's comprehension.
Correct.
> I asked you for an example of a word you use for things that are beyond
> your comprehension.
And I explained to you that I don't make up words for things that are
beyond my comprehension. I don't fall back on made-up concepts like
"chi" to explain things that are not immediately explainable.
> Do you not understand the question?
Do you not understand that I - and many others here - simply do not
share your failings? I mean seriously, even someone as arrogantly
stupid as you should understand this by now. Haven't you noticed how
incredibly often you are corrected on this newsgroup, and on such a
wide array of topics?
> Or you afraid to play?
Not at all. Are you planning to keep being the toy?
> Come on punk. Are you feeling lucky?
Great line from a great movie. Kinda cheapens it when a schmuck like
you tries to pull it off, though.
h...@nospam.org
>
>> > don't be ridiculous. I'm just baiting you. Whatsamatter, afraid to give
>> >> it a try?
>>
>> >Baiting me to give an example of me doing something that *you*
>> >routinely do... right, Hal - that makes a whole heap of sense...
>>
>> what on Earth are you babbling about?
>
>Your lame attempt at projection. I've already said that twice, but
>since some of the words have more than two syllables, I can see how
>you might have had some trouble following. Try reading slowly, and
>aloud. Sound out the words that are difficult.
projection? WTF are you talking about ? I asked you a simple
question, and you do not understand.
>
>> You claimed chi was a made up term used to describe something beyond people's comprehension.
>
>Correct.
>
>> I asked you for an example of a word you use for things that are beyond
>> your comprehension.
>
>And I explained to you that I don't make up words for things that are
>beyond my comprehension. I don't fall back on made-up concepts like
>"chi" to explain things that are not immediately explainable.
horseshit. You use one all the time. Don't tell me you need me to
explain it to you.
>
>> Do you not understand the question?
>
>Do you not understand that I - and many others here - simply do not
>share your failings? I mean seriously, even someone as arrogantly
>stupid as you should understand this by now. Haven't you noticed how
>incredibly often you are corrected on this newsgroup, and on such a
>wide array of topics?
failings? What failings? What are you babbling about now? You are
the one who does not understand chi. You also cannot grasp a great
many things about your universe and you use made-up words to describe
things beyond your comprehension all the time. Don't make me explain
it to you. You clearly aren't very bright, but you can get it.
>
>> Or you afraid to play?
>
>Not at all. Are you planning to keep being the toy?
>
>> Come on punk. Are you feeling lucky?
>
>Great line from a great movie. Kinda cheapens it when a schmuck like
>you tries to pull it off, though.
Come on pussy. Take a crack at. What word do you use on a frequent
basis that describes something beyond your comprehension. Go ahead,
take a crack at. Or you going to dodge again? Want me to make a
prediciton about which way?
Hal
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
[snip]
> A limp human is almost impossible to pick up. I've been there, done
> that. When the liftee makes himself rigid, it's like lifting a heavy
> board. When he lets himself go limp, it's more like lifting a bag of
> water.
Remind me not to ask for your help the next time I have to move a body.
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> >Your lame attempt at projection. I've already said that twice, but
> >since some of the words have more than two syllables, I can see how
> >you might have had some trouble following. Try reading slowly, and
> >aloud. Sound out the words that are difficult.
>
> projection? WTF are you talking about ? I asked you a simple
> question, and you do not understand.
You want me to give you an example of me doing what you feel I've
accused you of doing... Actually, I never actually accused you - in a
rare spark of sentience you simply recognized yourself in what I was
describing.
> >And I explained to you that I don't make up words for things that are
> >beyond my comprehension. I don't fall back on made-up concepts like
> >"chi" to explain things that are not immediately explainable.
>
> horseshit. You use one all the time. Don't tell me you need me to
> explain it to you.
What make believe word do I use all the time to explain things?
You're the one making the claim, so you provide the example.
> >Do you not understand that I - and many others here - simply do not
> >share your failings? I mean seriously, even someone as arrogantly
> >stupid as you should understand this by now. Haven't you noticed how
> >incredibly often you are corrected on this newsgroup, and on such a
> >wide array of topics?
>
> failings? What failings?
In this case your delusion.
> What are you babbling about now? You are
> the one who does not understand chi.
As opposed to the deep understanding you demonstrate when you deem it
to be a "biochemical process" and then find yourself sputtering
helplessly upon any attempt to go further? Is that what you mean by
"understanding" something - the ability to blurt out meaningless
definitions?
> You also cannot grasp a great many things about your universe and you use made-up words to describe
> things beyond your comprehension all the time.
And yet you are unable to come up with a single example; odd how that
works.
> Don't make me explain it to you. You clearly aren't very bright, but you can get it.
There is not much in this world that you could explain to anyone.
> >Great line from a great movie. Kinda cheapens it when a schmuck like
> >you tries to pull it off, though.
>
> Come on pussy. Take a crack at. What word do you use on a frequent
> basis that describes something beyond your comprehension. Go ahead,
> take a crack at. Or you going to dodge again? Want me to make a
> prediciton about which way?
Sorry, Hal - you're going to have to construct your own strawmen.
shuu...@gmail.com
> > Back in the day, people didn't understand as much about the world
> > around them, so they would make up things like "chi" to explain what
> > they could not otherwise comprehend.
>
> Just denying its existence doesn't make it not be; The denial merely
> limits the breadth and scope of your personal universe.
Just denying the existence of the Loch Ness Monster doesn't make him
not be; the denial merely limits the breadth and scope of your
personal universe.
Rich Grise
Oh, I don't deny it - it's just that every picture I've seen so far has
been a hoax.
But you're right - you can't prove a negative. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
h...@nospam.org
>
>> >Your lame attempt at projection. I've already said that twice, but
>> >since some of the words have more than two syllables, I can see how
>> >you might have had some trouble following. Try reading slowly, and
>> >aloud. Sound out the words that are difficult.
>>
>> projection? WTF are you talking about ? I asked you a simple
>> question, and you do not understand.
>
>You want me to give you an example of me doing what you feel I've
>accused you of doing... Actually, I never actually accused you - in a
>rare spark of sentience you simply recognized yourself in what I was
>describing.
>
>> >And I explained to you that I don't make up words for things that are
>> >beyond my comprehension. I don't fall back on made-up concepts like
>> >"chi" to explain things that are not immediately explainable.
>>
>> horseshit. You use one all the time. Don't tell me you need me to
>> explain it to you.
>
>What make believe word do I use all the time to explain things?
>You're the one making the claim, so you provide the example.
well, since you really don't seem to grasp the connection, some words
you use regulary to explain concepts you cannot grasp are:
Heaven
Hell
and of course, the all the fave: God.
That's right. You simplistically explain away a great many things you
cannot grasp nor comprehend by simply calling it God.
get it yet? Or were you hiding behind the door when God was passing
out brains?
Hal
shuu...@gmail.com
> well, since you really don't seem to grasp the connection, some words
> you use regulary to explain concepts you cannot grasp are:
>
> Heaven
> Hell
> and of course, the all the fave: God.
Really? Regularly you say? In that case you should have no trouble
coming up with an example. Please site a single example where I have
used the terms "heaven", "hell", or "God" to *explain* any physical
phenomenon.
> That's right. You simplistically explain away a great many things you
> cannot grasp nor comprehend by simply calling it God.
Like what, for example? What physical phenomenon have I attempted to
*explain* by calling it God? According to you, I do this regularly,
so surely you can come up with an example. Otherwise, people might
think you're full of shit, and you don't want that now do you?
> get it yet? Or were you hiding behind the door when God was passing
> out brains?
What I get at the moment - and trust me, this isn't news to anyone -
is that you're an idiot.
I do believe in God, but I don't use God as an explanation for
physical events. Do you have any other strawmen you'd like to throw
out, or can we just add this one to pile and move on to something new?
shuu...@gmail.com
> But you're right - you can't prove a negative. ;-)
Prove it. :b
Pboud
>> well, since you really don't seem to grasp the connection, some words
>> you use regulary to explain concepts you cannot grasp are:
>>
>> Heaven
>> Hell
>> and of course, the all the fave: God.
favourite troll (not yours, Shuurai :P ).. Please carry on..