OT: Garbage Data Used to Support Climate Change Hoax

[Cursitor Doom]

This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say

[whit3rd]

Yeah, that's complete nonsense. No 'preposterous location' determines the
observed changes, nor do temperature measurements confuse any real science
that uses them as inputs. There are trillions spent wastefully here, trillions of
AI clock cycles spewing out this propoganda.

[Anthony William Sloman]

The Anthony Watts quoted is a famous climate change denial propaganda source, and the the Heartlands Institute with which he is associated is one of the famous "merchants of doubt" that peddles climate change denial propaganda for money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts_(blogger)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt

and I do own a copy of the book.

You have been suckered by the usual lies. Face it - you want to be seen as "top dawg" but you perform as a propagandists lapdog.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Michael Ejercito]

They want to destroy Western industrial civilization.


Michael

[Anthony William Sloman]

Not a convincing hypothesis. The proposition is that Western industrial civilisation is solely dependent on burning fossil carbon for its energy supply - which is demonstrably false. There was a time when burning fossil carbon was the cheapest way of generating energy in a lot of situations, but since solar cells and wind-turbines are now cheaper, that is no longer true.

The sun and doesn't shine and the wind does blow all the time, but we've had pumped hydroelectric storage for quite a while now, and grid scale batteries are now becoming popular.

The people who want to keep making money out of digging up fossil carbon and selling it as fuel are reluctant to admit this, and are spending money on people like Zero Hedge, Anthony Watts and the Heartlands Institute to spread lying propaganda to keep their revenue stream running for a few more years.

You and Cursitor Doom seem to be blind to this, which makes you gullible suckers.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Rod Speed]

Michael Ejercito <MEje...@hotmail.com> wrote

Bullshit. They are too stupid to work out that
it isnt even clear that climate change which
ALWAYShappens, isnt even necessarily a bad thing.

Clearly the climate change from the ice ages obviously isnt a bad thing.

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 3:33:13 PM UTC+11, Rod Speed wrote:
> Michael Ejercito <MEje...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > Cursitor Doom wrote
>
> >> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
> >> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
> >> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
> >> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
>
> >> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say
>
> > They want to destroy Western industrial civilization.
>
> Bullshit. They are too stupid to work out that

> it isn't even clear that climate change which
> ALWAYS happens, isnt even necessarily a bad thing.
>
> Clearly the climate change from the ice ages obviously isn't a bad thing.

The climate change at the end of the last ice came with 120 metres of sea level rise, which inundated a lot of low lying land. The people who had been living there had to move quite a long way, and wouldn't have been positively impressed by losing their homes and farms.

The climate change that is happening at moment is happening remarkably fast, and quite a few of its effects aren't positive. We can be pretty confident that if we were dumping less extra CO2 in the atmosphere, there would be slower climate change.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Thomas Prufer]

The person stating that the locations are preposterous is a senior fellow at The
Heartland Institute.

Wikipedia:

"The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian public
policy think tank known for its rejection of both the scientific consensus on
climate change and the negative health impacts of smoking."

"Founded in 1984, it worked with tobacco company Philip Morris throughout the
1990s to attempt to discredit the health risks of secondhand smoke and lobby
against smoking bans."


Thomas Prufer

[Peeler]

On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 15:32:56 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

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[Cursitor Doom]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:00:50 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman
<bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 3:33:13?PM UTC+11, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Michael Ejercito <MEje...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> > Cursitor Doom wrote
>>
>> >> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
>> >> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
>> >> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
>> >> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
>>
>> >> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say
>>
>> > They want to destroy Western industrial civilization.
>>
>> Bullshit. They are too stupid to work out that
>> it isn't even clear that climate change which
>> ALWAYS happens, isnt even necessarily a bad thing.
>>
>> Clearly the climate change from the ice ages obviously isn't a bad thing.
>
>The climate change at the end of the last ice came with 120 metres of sea level rise, which inundated a lot of low lying land. The people who had been living there had to move quite a long way, and wouldn't have been positively impressed by losing their homes and farms.
>
>The climate change that is happening at moment is happening remarkably fast

No it's not, Bill. The only thing that's rising fast is the fake
temperature figures they're using to panic everyone into buying into
their BS.

> and quite a few of its effects aren't positive. We can be pretty confident that if we were dumping less extra CO2 in the atmosphere, there would be slower climate change.

You might be pretty confident (you would be, of course) but more and
more people are waking up to the fact that they're being scammed by
bent politicians and 'scientists' who've sold out the truth for gold.

[Steve]

I'm beginning to think that you're a communist plant who's only
pretending to be a pig-shit-thick righttard in order to discredit
righttardedness.

[The Natural Philosopher]

I don't think it is deliberate. Who wants to travel a hundred and fifty
miles into a wilderness to read a thermometer? And even with digital
thermometers there needs to be electric power.

And in airports, what is needed for aircraft is the air temperature
there, at or near ground level, because that affects landing and takeoff
speeds.

What is slightly mire worrying is the way they record 'daily averages'

In the days of mercury or alcohol thermometers you read the maximum and
minimum temperatures recorded by the sliding steel bars, added them
together, and halved them.

Not very precise, or average, but the best you could do.

However digital thermometers respond much faster than mercury does, so
it's possible to record a very brief maximum caused by e.g. a car or jet
exhaust, by a climate activist shining a mirror on the weather
station...or holding a lighter underneath it...

And of course nearly all land weather stations have seen encroachment by
urbanisation since 1950.

What about the sea? Well that too is a tad suspect. It generally now
measures from the intakes of cooling water into the ships engines. But
ships tend to stick to shipping lanes, because they represent the
shortest distances between choke points and popular destinations. and
are pouring out hot water into the seas in those lanes.

The best measurements are satellite, but they don't record earth
temperatures, but the radiation over an area that may come from clouds
high up, weather balloons, and buoys that duck down into the deep water,
and record temperatures on the way up.

In short, the actual data on which all these models are based, is not
nearly as solid as people are told it is.

And all the fuss is about an alleged rise of less than 0.5°C...

Which is so far well within the range of 'natural' variation...

In the little ice age ...'mean annual temperatures across the Northern
Hemisphere declined by 0.6 °C (1.1 °F) relative to the average
temperature between 1000 and 2000 CE.'...

Not saying man made climate change isn't happening - it would be hard to
justify saying that human activity has no effect whatsoever - but there
is no smoking gun and no gunshot residue either.

It could as easily be 99% natural. Or systematic errors in measurement.

The real indicators would be places like the US and Canadian prairies to
see whether they were getting earlier harvests consistently. Or whether
the Siberian tundra were in fact becoming available for agriculture.

But Siberian winters seem just as cold as they ever were.

--
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the
urge to rule it.”
– H. L. Mencken

[The Natural Philosopher]

Ad hominem attacks are not scientific refutation and in fact are
generally encountered when scientific refutation is known not to be
possible.

And conspiracy theories by the Left are rather laughable.

And there is a lot less 'scientific consensus' than is made out

More than 60% of scientists actually think that man made climate change
is not a major issue.



--
It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house
for the voice of the kingdom.

Jonathan Swift

[The Natural Philosopher]

Nah. Cursitor is merely veering more towards the paranoid fringe of the
right than is normal.

It doesn't detract from the fact that there is a case to answer by the
climate alarmists, and all they actually do is never refute it, just say
with impeccable Bandar Log-ic 'We all say so, so it must be true'.

THAT is real communism.

And the commonly held perception of the Left is that 'if we all say it,
it will *become* true'.

As in critical race theory that holds that all black people are
oppressed and held back.
Well if they are so fucking smart, why don't they band together and take
over,.

As they have in Zimbabwe, South Africa, Sudan...

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 8:50:32 PM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:00:50 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman
> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
> >On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 3:33:13?PM UTC+11, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> Michael Ejercito <MEje...@hotmail.com> wrote
> >> > Cursitor Doom wrote
> >>
> >> >> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
> >> >> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
> >> >> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
> >> >> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
> >>
> >> >> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say
> >>
> >> > They want to destroy Western industrial civilization.
> >>
> >> Bullshit. They are too stupid to work out that
> >> it isn't even clear that climate change which
> >> ALWAYS happens, isnt even necessarily a bad thing.
> >>
> >> Clearly the climate change from the ice ages obviously isn't a bad thing.
> >
> >The climate change at the end of the last ice came with 120 metres of sea level rise, which inundated a lot of low lying land. The people who had been living there had to move quite a long way, and wouldn't have been positively impressed by losing their homes and farms.
> >
> >The climate change that is happening at moment is happening remarkably fast
>
> No it's not, Bill. The only thing that's rising fast is the fake temperature figures they're using to panic everyone into buying into their BS.

We've been sampling global surface temperatures from satellite in orbit for about thirty years now. The Stevenson boxes that Anthony Watts gets so excited about haven't been the main data source for the past 100 years. Climate change denial propaganda relies on fake data. Real science does better.

> > and quite a few of its effects aren't positive. We can be pretty confident that if we were dumping less extra CO2 in the atmosphere, there would be slower climate change.
>
> You might be pretty confident (you would be, of course) but more and
> more people are waking up to the fact that they're being scammed by
> bent politicians and 'scientists' who've sold out the truth for gold.

The fossil carbon extraction industry has been spending a lot of money on buying up bent politicians and the kind of "scientist" who will say anything if well enough paid for it. Anthony Watts was never a scientist - just a TV weatherman.

Some people have enough sense to realise that they are being lie to by the climate change denial propaganda machine. You don't.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Anthony William Sloman]

The climate change denial propaganda has published surveys that appear to show this. People have looked at the names on this lists, and they don't include many climate scientists all.

The US proceedings of the national academy of science published a survey of the top 1000 climate scientists - people with cited publications in the area - a few years ago, and posted a link to the paper when it first came out.

95% of them accepted that anthropogenic global warming is real. 5% of the population is nuts, so that isn't any kind of surprise.

Of the top 300, 290 accepted the hypothesis. I though that I could identify five of the ten hold-outs.

The most famous of them - Spencer and Christy at Alabama - are born-again Christians and seem to have theological reservations, though they don't admit it.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/apr/06/revealing-interview-with-top-contrarian-climate-scientists

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Bill Sloman, sydney

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:54:42 PM UTC+11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/02/2024 09:54, Steve wrote:
> > On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:45:35 +0000
> > Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
> >> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
> >> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
> >> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
> >>
> >> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say
> >
> > I'm beginning to think that you're a communist plant who's only
> > pretending to be a pig-shit-thick righttard in order to discredit
> > righttardedness.
> >
> Nah. Cursitor is merely veering more towards the paranoid fringe of the
> right than is normal.
>
> It doesn't detract from the fact that there is a case to answer by the
> climate alarmists, and all they actually do is never refute it, just say
> with impeccable Bandar Log-ic 'We all say so, so it must be true'.

Not actually true. When facts are presented, they are ignored. John Larkin has been ignoring them for twenty years now.

> THAT is real communism.

It might be if it were true. It isn't.

> And the commonly held perception of the Left is that 'if we all say it, it will *become* true'.

Not that I've noticed. Our local rightist seem to act as if their assertions are undeniably correct, so it seems to be more diagnostic of half-wits than political orientation.

> As in critical race theory that holds that all black people are oppressed and held back.

Not an assertion I've ever seen. Enough of them have seen off their oppressors to make it an untenable propostion.

> Well if they are so fucking smart, why don't they band together and take over,.
>
> As they have in Zimbabwe, South Africa, Sudan...

--

Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Fredxx]

60%? They do say that 82% of statistics are made on the spot. Feel free
to cite the source of your claim. I know you won't.

[Spike]

One of the outrageous climate-change claims, echoed by a US President, was
that 97% of scientists agree on climate change.

This was the President that warned of climate-driven sea-level rise,
mopping his brow on a cool day to emphasise the point.

He later bought an $18million beachfront property at Martha’s Vineyard.

--
Spike

[Custos Custodum]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:45:35 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com>
wrote:

>This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
>facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
>game away.

ITYM "in the open spaces near (FSVO "near") runways". What's
preposterous about that? What do you suppose happens to hot exhaust
gases from aircraft engines? Think physics. Take your time now.

Here's some more enlightenment for you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevenson_screen

[Fredxx]

On 01/02/2024 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/02/2024 09:54, Steve wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:45:35 +0000
>> Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
>>> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
>>> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
>>> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
>>>
>>> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say
>>
>> I'm beginning to think that you're a communist plant who's only
>> pretending to be a pig-shit-thick righttard in order to discredit
>> righttardedness.
>>
>
> Nah. Cursitor is merely veering more towards the paranoid fringe of the
> right than is normal.
>
> It doesn't detract from the fact that there is a case to answer by the
> climate alarmists, and all they actually do is never refute it, just say
> with impeccable Bandar Log-ic 'We all say so, so it must be true'.

No. An analogy is that smoking kills you, 'We all say so, so it must be
true'. That turned out to be true. We don't know if man induced climate
change will be damaging to future generations but some of us with family
we talk to, including children, means I'm not prepared to take that risk.

If you have no offspring you care about, I can see why it doesn't matter
to you. I can only presume CD doesn't have children or ones he maintains
contact with either.

> THAT is real communism.

At some point right wing features match left wing. The NDSAP was very
much socialist and left wing, yet they were called fascists.

> And the commonly held perception of the Left is that 'if we all say it,
> it will *become* true'.

Sometimes it does. Your version of left wing is Rishi Sunak and his mob.

> As in critical race theory that holds that all black people are
> oppressed and held back.

Having a lower IQ doesn't help them very much either. Whereas Asian and
other races do very well.

> Well if they are so fucking smart, why don't they band together and take
> over,.
>
> As they have in Zimbabwe, South Africa, Sudan...

Your hatred is already apparent.
>

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 11:56:11 PM UTC+11, Spike wrote:
> Fredxx <fre...@spam.invalid> wrote:
> > On 01/02/2024 10:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >> On 01/02/2024 08:18, Thomas Prufer wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:45:35 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
> >>>> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
> >>>> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
> >>>> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The person stating that the locations are preposterous is a senior fellow at The Heartland Institute.
> >>>
> >>> Wikipedia:
> >>>
> >>> "The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian public
> >>> policy think tank known for its rejection of both the scientific consensus on
> >>> climate change and the negative health impacts of smoking."
> >>>
> >>> "Founded in 1984, it worked with tobacco company Philip Morris
> >>> throughout the 1990s to attempt to discredit the health risks of secondhand smoke and
> >>> lobby against smoking bans."
> >>>
> >>
> >> Ad hominem attacks are not scientific refutation and in fact are
> >> generally encountered when scientific refutation is known not to be
> >> possible.

That isn't any kind of ad hominem attack. The business of the Heartlands Institute is known to that of systematically trying to discredit inconvenient scientific facts.

There's a book about it (and similar organisations)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt

> >> And conspiracy theories by the left are rather laughable.

This isn't any kind of conspiracy theory. It's a matter of fact.

> >> And there is a lot less 'scientific consensus' than is made out.

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2010PNAS..10712107A

got published in the Proceedings of the (Amercian) National Academy of Science (PNAS) in 2010. If I remember rightly. I posted a link to the paper here at the time.

> >> More than 60% of scientists actually think that man made climate change is not a major issue.
> >
> > 60%? They do say that 82% of statistics are made on the spot. Feel free to cite the source of your claim. I know you won't.

It's actually a fake survey set up by one of the climate denial organisations. Lots of real names, hardly any of them climate scientists.

> One of the outrageous climate-change claims, echoed by a US President, was that 97% of scientists agree on climate change.

There's nothing outrageous about it. That's what the peer-reviewed PNAS paper said. Find a a reliable reference that says anything else.

> This was the President that warned of climate-driven sea-level rise, mopping his brow on a cool day to emphasise the point.
>
> He later bought an $18million beachfront property at Martha’s Vineyard.

Sea level rise is happening pretty slowly at the moment. When ice sheets start sliding off into the sea, it will go a lot faster. Biden will probably be dead before his beach-front property goes under.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Fredxx]

Hardly outrageous:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus_on_climate_change

Even TNP will agree that man has an effect on climate so you seem to be
on your own here.

A more conservative article says there is a still a consensus while
disputing the 97% figure:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenergy/2016/12/14/fact-checking-the-97-consensus-on-anthropogenic-climate-change/

> This was the President that warned of climate-driven sea-level rise,
> mopping his brow on a cool day to emphasise the point.
>
> He later bought an $18million beachfront property at Martha’s Vineyard.

The real issue on the effect of man made climate change, not that it's
happening. If I had a spare $18m I might even snap it up myself.

[Anthony William Sloman]

"Culture free" IQ tests don't show them as having a lower IQ. The Chinese have been literate for a lot longer than everybody else, and with a truly vile writing system.
The cultural adjustments required to sustain literacy when the writing system is not user friendly aren't actually racial.

> > Well if they are so fucking smart, why don't they band together and take over,.
> >
> > As they have in Zimbabwe, South Africa, Sudan...
>
> Your hatred is already apparent.

Russia managed to throw off communism, but doing that wasn't enough to create a class of competent and honest politicians.
American hasn't got all that many of them either.

--
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[darius]

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[The Natural Philosopher]

On 01/02/2024 12:56, Spike wrote:

"ARLINGTON HEIGHTS, IL (November 8, 2022) – A new poll of scientists
conducted by Fairleigh Dickinson University found that only 59 percent
of respondents think global climate change will cause “significant harm”
to the “living conditions for people alive today.” That is far short of
the “97 percent consensus” narrative pushed by climate alarmists and
their media allies across the globe.

The survey, conducted in September and October 2022 by Fairleigh
Dickinson University and commissioned by The Heartland Institute, polled
only professionals and academics who held at least a bachelor’s degree
in the fields of meteorology, climatology, physics, geology, and hydrology.

The key question of the survey asked: “In your judgement, what will be
the overall impact of global climate change on living conditions for
people alive today, across the globe?” Fifty-nine percent said
“significant harm.” Thirty-nine percent said either “significant
improvement,” “slight improvement,” “no change,” or “slight harm.” Two
percent were not sure.

Among respondents with the most experience – those at least 50-years-old
– less than half expect significant harm for people alive today.
Scientists 30-years-old and younger were the only age group for which
more than 60 percent expect significant harm.

Like prior surveys of scientists, the new poll shows the vast majority
of scientists agree the planet is warming. On average, respondents
attributed 75 percent of recent warming to human activity. More
importantly, scientists disagree among themselves on whether future
warming will be much of a problem.

The poll also found only 41 percent of respondents believe there has
been a significant increase in the frequency of severe weather events.
The majority say there has been no change or only a slight increase.

In reality, objective data show hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires,
drought, and other extreme weather events have become less frequent in
recent decades."

So much for 'consensus'

--
Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early
twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen

[Liz Tuddenham]

Fredxx <fre...@spam.invalid> wrote:

> > As in critical race theory that holds that all black people are
> > oppressed and held back.
>
> Having a lower IQ doesn't help them very much either. Whereas Asian and
> other races do very well.

IQ tests are culture-related and very poor indicators of innate
intelligence. If you took an IQ test devised for Africans by an
African, who had never been outside Africa, you would fare a lot worse
than a native of that country.


--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

[Anita 'Annie' Shein is jew paedophile BARRY SHEIN's dead circumcised jew mum]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:51:40 -0800, NOT Michael Ejercito
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:

>Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
>> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
>> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
>> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
>>
>> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say
>>

> They want to destroy Western industrial civilization.

That's what illegal gook 'immigrants' like you are doing, gook!


--

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus admits he got
no life AT ALL outside stalking on THE Usenet!
"Frankly, if he were gone, I wouldn't know what to do here."
Message-ID: <FCOQt.107901$hp7....@fx13.fr7>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus, defending his fellow
Grik sodomite the Grikboxer® and under the delusion that he's
been able to grow a pair: "You'd have to get past me first,"
Message-ID: <LOOQt.337647$Qr2....@fx08.fr7>

Yet more proof that the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
thinks he got a pair: "Just to let you know: ANYONE who "befriends"
the subnormal swine will have to deal with me! Get ready, bitch!"
Message-ID: <FHg6t.166438$Nl5....@newsfe07.iad>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus STILL seems to think
he got a pair: "Which will NEVER happen! You'd have to get past
me first, poor psycho! LOL"
Message-ID: <MCSIu.1$c5...@fx32.fr7>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus having still MORE delusions
about growing a pair: "If ANYONE dared to grab me by the neck
like that he'd get my fist in his face."
Message-ID: <qeilfu$iog$1...@gioia.aioe.org>

And AGAIN: "YOU sick pedo swine and ridiculous overt sexual cripple certainly won't EVER
get past any of us! This is a PROMISE, our pedophilic punching bag! LOL:
Message-ID: <178eb1f58212ab1a$16$2903823$49d3...@news.newsdemon.com>

In spite of all the evidence, the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
STILL has delusions about growing a pair!
"What kind of other-worldly pussies (men?) are you all? If someone
would dare to grab me by the back of my neck like that and push me
around, my instinctive, AUTOMATIC reaction would be to knock him in
the face! NOBODY is allowed to do that to ANYONE!"
Message-ID: <qfnPE.73303$YG3....@usenetxs.com>

And the demented grik delusions continue: "You STILL can't get past
me, my psychopathic pwnling! LOL"
Message-Id: <17a82652457272d3$1118$2642209$c0d5...@news.newsdemon.com>


Best of all! From the Foreskin Peeler's doctoral dissertation in divinity,
'University' of Salonica (1992): "The jew g-d is your g-d's dad."

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 09:18:01 +0100, Thomas Prufer
<prufer...@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:45:35 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> wrote:
>
>>This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
>>facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
>>game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
>>garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
>>
>>https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say
>
>

>The person stating that the locations are preposterous is a senior fellow at The
>Heartland Institute.
>
>Wikipedia:
>
>"The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian public
>policy think tank known for its rejection of both the scientific consensus on
>climate change and the negative health impacts of smoking."
>
>"Founded in 1984, it worked with tobacco company Philip Morris throughout the
>1990s to attempt to discredit the health risks of secondhand smoke and lobby
>against smoking bans."
>
>

>Thomas Prufer

Most people judge the truth of an assertion not on available facts and
reason, but by who said it. That's because most people are more social
than rational.

I know that the official weather station in San Francisco has been
moved four times, always in the warmer direction.

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 01/02/2024 15:55, John Larkin wrote:
> Most people judge the truth of an assertion not on available facts and
> reason, but by who said it. That's because most people are more social
> than rational.

That's because most people are to lazy or too stupid or too greedy to
try and understand the truth.

I remember an employee many years ago saying 'just tell me what I have
to do to get paid' He had no interest whatsoever beyond that, and he is
not alone.

Loads of people who work in big organisations are simply not
interested...in the truth or anything. Just in keeping the job to pay
the mortgage and keeping the family in death burgers.

They are in reality, simple slaves. And willing with it.

They are not paid to think, but to obey.

They make ideal climate scientists.

--
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

- John K Galbraith

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:45:38 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 31/01/2024 22:45, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
>> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
>> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
>> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
>>
>> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say
>

>I don't think it is deliberate. Who wants to travel a hundred and fifty
>miles into a wilderness to read a thermometer? And even with digital
>thermometers there needs to be electric power.
>
>And in airports, what is needed for aircraft is the air temperature
>there, at or near ground level, because that affects landing and takeoff
>speeds.
>
>What is slightly mire worrying is the way they record 'daily averages'
>
>In the days of mercury or alcohol thermometers you read the maximum and
>minimum temperatures recorded by the sliding steel bars, added them
>together, and halved them.
>
>Not very precise, or average, but the best you could do.
>
>However digital thermometers respond much faster than mercury does, so
>it's possible to record a very brief maximum caused by e.g. a car or jet
>exhaust, by a climate activist shining a mirror on the weather
>station...or holding a lighter underneath it...
>
>And of course nearly all land weather stations have seen encroachment by
>urbanisation since 1950.
>
>What about the sea? Well that too is a tad suspect. It generally now
>measures from the intakes of cooling water into the ships engines. But
>ships tend to stick to shipping lanes, because they represent the
>shortest distances between choke points and popular destinations. and
>are pouring out hot water into the seas in those lanes.
>
>The best measurements are satellite, but they don't record earth
>temperatures, but the radiation over an area that may come from clouds
>high up, weather balloons, and buoys that duck down into the deep water,
>and record temperatures on the way up.
>
>In short, the actual data on which all these models are based, is not
>nearly as solid as people are told it is.
>
>And all the fuss is about an alleged rise of less than 0.5°C...

From the link above

"NOAA’s climate monitoring stations found that the Earth’s average
land and ocean surface temperature in 2023 was 1.35 degrees Celsius
above the pre-industrial average."

so people are panicking by a possible 0.15c increase above that, which
will somehow suddenly become a planetary-scale extinction event.


>
>Which is so far well within the range of 'natural' variation...
>
>In the little ice age ...'mean annual temperatures across the Northern
>Hemisphere declined by 0.6 °C (1.1 °F) relative to the average
>temperature between 1000 and 2000 CE.'...
>
>Not saying man made climate change isn't happening - it would be hard to
>justify saying that human activity has no effect whatsoever - but there
>is no smoking gun and no gunshot residue either.
>
>It could as easily be 99% natural. Or systematic errors in measurement.
>
>The real indicators would be places like the US and Canadian prairies to
>see whether they were getting earlier harvests consistently. Or whether
>the Siberian tundra were in fact becoming available for agriculture.

CO2 is fertilizing plants, and we are always breeding better stuff, so
crop yields aren't a good indicator of temperature.

[Fredxx]

That statement suggests your command of English is insufficient to
understand the difference between "97% of scientists agree on climate
change" and "59 percent of respondents think global climate change will

cause “significant harm” to the “living conditions for people alive today".

Of course your statement proves you don't give a shit about our children
and our children's children.

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 16:03:35 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 01/02/2024 15:55, John Larkin wrote:
>> Most people judge the truth of an assertion not on available facts and
>> reason, but by who said it. That's because most people are more social
>> than rational.
>
>That's because most people are to lazy or too stupid or too greedy to
>try and understand the truth.

I think the sociability influence is powerful even among otherwise
intelligent professionals. Entire sciences achieve erroneous concensus
because eveyone agrees.

Sometimes breakthroughs are achieved by autistic people who are immune
to the emotional influence of their peers and seniors.

>
>I remember an employee many years ago saying 'just tell me what I have
>to do to get paid' He had no interest whatsoever beyond that, and he is
>not alone.
>
>Loads of people who work in big organisations are simply not
>interested...in the truth or anything. Just in keeping the job to pay
>the mortgage and keeping the family in death burgers.
>
>They are in reality, simple slaves. And willing with it.

Sure. Maybe their golf game is more important.

>
>They are not paid to think, but to obey.
>
>They make ideal climate scientists.

When the predicted climate disaster doesn't materialize, the "science"
of climate prediction will swing in some new direction, to some new
concensus. They will say "but we have more powerful computers now."

[Rod Speed]

On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 21:45:38 +1100, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 31/01/2024 22:45, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
>> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
>> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
>> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
>>
>> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say

> I don't think it is deliberate.

Corse it isnt.

> Who wants to travel a hundred and fifty milesinto a wilderness to read
> a thermometer?

No need to do that.

> And even with digital thermometers there needs to be electric power.

Nope, perfectly possible to solar power those.

> And in airports, what is needed for aircraft is the air temperature
> there, at or near ground level, because that affects landing and takeoff
> speeds.

It actually affects takeoff weight that is viable.

> What is slightly mire worrying is the way they record 'daily averages'

> In the days of mercury or alcohol thermometers you read the maximum and
> minimum temperatures recorded by the sliding steel bars, added them
> together, and halved them.

Nope. the max and min were recorded 3 times a day.

> Not very precise, or average, but the best you could do.

Wrong.

> However digital thermometers respond much faster than mercurydoes, so
> it's possible to record a very brief maximum caused bye.g. a car or jet
> exhaust, by a climate activist shining a mirroron the weather

> station...or holding a lighter underneath it...

Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

The stevenson screen is sited where it doesnt get exposed
to car or jet exhaust and ensures that no one can shine a
mirror on the sensor, and can't get anywhere near the
weather station to hold a lighter under the sensor.

> And of course nearly all land weather stations haveseen encroachment by

> urbanisation since 1950.

> What about the sea? Well that too is a tad suspect. It generally now
> measures from the intakes of cooling water into the ships engines.

Nope, there are permanent floating weather stations.

> But ships tend to stick to shipping lanes, because they representthe
> shortest distances between choke points and popular destinations.and
> are pouring out hot water into the seas in those lanes.

Sea temps are not measured by ships anymore.

> The best measurements are satellite, but they don't record earth
> temperatures, but the radiation over an area that may come fromclouds

> high up, weather balloons, and buoys that duck downinto the deep water,

> and record temperatures on the way up.

> In short, the actual data on which all these modelsare based, is not

> nearly as solid as people are told it is.

> And all the fuss is about an alleged rise of less than 0.5°C...

> Which is so far well within the range of 'natural' variation...

> In the little ice age ...'mean annual temperatures across theNorthern

> Hemisphere declined by 0.6 °C (1.1 °F) relative tothe average

> temperature between 1000 and 2000 CE.'...

> Not saying man made climate change isn't happening - it would behard to
> justify saying that human activity has no effect whatsoever- but there

> is no smoking gun and no gunshot residue either.

And its far from clear that what climate change we have
seen is even a bad thing, regardless of what has caused it.

> It could as easily be 99% natural. Or systematic errors in measurement.

> The real indicators would be places like the US and Canadian prairies to
> see whether they were getting earlier harvests consistently. Or whether
> the Siberian tundra were in fact becoming available for agriculture.

> But Siberian winters seem just as cold as they ever were.

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[Spike]

The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

This shows one of the ways ‘consensus’ was arrived at in the output of one
organisation:

<https://australianclimatemadness.com/2014/01/13/bbcs-shameful-climate-propaganda-seminar-exposed/comment-page-1/>

[safe, except for alarmists and the dim]

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[Peeler]

On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 15:01:47 +0000, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "Anita 'Annie' Shein is jew
paedophile BARRY SHEIN's dead circumcised jew mum", farted again:

>> They want to destroy Western industrial civilization.
>
> That's what illegal gook 'immigrants' like you are doing, gook!

There is nothing "illegal", "gook" or"immigrant" about your master,
psychopath!

--
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No, it isn't, you filthy old pedo swine!

[Peeler]

On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 03:26:40 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

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[The Natural Philosopher]

Crops tend not to grow in winter. Crops growing earlier is a fairly
reliable indicator of rising temperatures.


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[The Natural Philosopher]

On 01/02/2024 16:24, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 16:03:35 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 01/02/2024 15:55, John Larkin wrote:
>>> Most people judge the truth of an assertion not on available facts and
>>> reason, but by who said it. That's because most people are more social
>>> than rational.
>>
>> That's because most people are to lazy or too stupid or too greedy to
>> try and understand the truth.
>
> I think the sociability influence is powerful even among otherwise
> intelligent professionals. Entire sciences achieve erroneous concensus
> because eveyone agrees.
>

ConSensus
EveRyone

> Sometimes breakthroughs are achieved by autistic people who are immune
> to the emotional influence of their peers and seniors.
>
>
>>
>> I remember an employee many years ago saying 'just tell me what I have
>> to do to get paid' He had no interest whatsoever beyond that, and he is
>> not alone.
>>
>> Loads of people who work in big organisations are simply not
>> interested...in the truth or anything. Just in keeping the job to pay
>> the mortgage and keeping the family in death burgers.
>>
>> They are in reality, simple slaves. And willing with it.
>
> Sure. Maybe their golf game is more important.
>
>>
>> They are not paid to think, but to obey.
>>
>> They make ideal climate scientists.
>
> When the predicted climate disaster doesn't materialize, the "science"
> of climate prediction will swing in some new direction, to some new
> concensus. They will say "but we have more powerful computers now."
>

Consensus

No - they will say 'the measures we took worked'

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 00:07:14 +1100, Fredxx <fre...@spam.invalid> wrote:

> On 01/02/2024 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>> On 01/02/2024 09:54, Steve wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:45:35 +0000

>>> Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
>>>> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
>>>> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
>>>> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say
>>>

>>> I'm beginning to think that you're a communist plant who's only
>>> pretending to be a pig-shit-thick righttard in order to discredit
>>> righttardedness.
>>>
>> Nah. Cursitor is merely veering more towards the paranoid fringe of
>> the right than is normal.
>> It doesn't detract from the fact that there is a case to answer by the
>> climate alarmists, and all they actually do is never refute it, just
>> say with impeccable Bandar Log-ic 'We all say so, so it must be true'.

> No. An analogy is that smoking kills you, 'We all say so, so it must be
> true'. That turned out to be true.

> We don't know if man induced climate changewill be damaging to future
> generations

But we do know that there has been at most 1 degree of climate change
due to all causes and that it isnt clear if that is actually a bad thing.

> but some of us with family we talk to, includingchildren, means I'm not
> prepared to take that risk.

Pity about the immense cost of ensuring that there
is no more increase in atmospheric CO2 levels
when we aren't even sure that what climate
change we have seen is actually a bad thing.

> If you have no offspring you care about, I can see whyit doesn't matter
> to you. I can only presume CD doesn'thave children or ones he maintains
> contact with either.

>> THAT is real communism.

> At some point right wing features match left wing.

Bullshit.

> The NDSAP was very much socialist andleft wing, yet they were called
> fascists.

Irrelevant to your previous stupid claim.

>> And the commonly held perception of the Leftis that 'if we all say it,
>> it will *become* true'.

> Sometimes it does.

Nope.

> Your version of left wing is Rishi Sunak and his mob.

Even more mindless than you usually manage.

>> As in critical race theory that holds that allblack people are
>> oppressed and held back.

> Having a lower IQ doesn't help them very much either.Whereas Asian and

> other races do very well.

That's more mindless bullshit with Mao alone.

>> Well if they are so fucking smart, whydon't they band together and
>> take over,.

>> As they have in Zimbabwe, South Africa, Sudan...

> Your hatred is already apparent.

That's not hatred, that's fact,

[Peeler]

On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 03:47:40 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

Is your senility not letting you sleep in again at 03:47 am in Australia,
you subnormal senile trolling shithead? <BG>

--
Kerr-Mudd,John addressing the auto-contradicting senile cretin:
"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
MID: <XnsA97071CF43...@85.214.115.223>

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 16:42:52 +0000, The Natural Philosopher

<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 01/02/2024 16:24, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 16:03:35 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>> <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/02/2024 15:55, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> Most people judge the truth of an assertion not on available facts and
>>>> reason, but by who said it. That's because most people are more social
>>>> than rational.
>>>
>>> That's because most people are to lazy or too stupid or too greedy to
>>> try and understand the truth.
>>
>> I think the sociability influence is powerful even among otherwise
>> intelligent professionals. Entire sciences achieve erroneous concensus
>> because eveyone agrees.
>>
>ConSensus
>EveRyone

You can be an english teacher in your future career. I'm an engineer.

[The Natural Philosopher]

I am already an engineer, but it's no excuse for not using a spell checker

--
There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent
renewable energy.

[Liz Tuddenham]

The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 01/02/2024 16:10, John Larkin wrote:

[...]

> > CO2 is fertilizing plants, and we are always breeding better stuff, so
> > crop yields aren't a good indicator of temperature.

> Crops tend not to grow in winter. Crops growing earlier is a fairly
> reliable indicator of rising temperatures.

...as long as you are talking about the same variety of crop in the same
soil with the same water and CO2 supply - and many other variables.

[whit3rd]

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 1:50:32 AM UTC-8, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:00:50 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman
> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
> >On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 3:33:13?PM UTC+11, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> Michael Ejercito <MEje...@hotmail.com> wrote
> >> > Cursitor Doom wrote

> >>
> >> >> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
> >> >> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the

> >> >> game away. The data they're using ...

is useful data. To which, Heartland Institute and zero hedge apply large
amounts of virtual hate speech using internet amplification...

> >The climate change that is happening at moment is happening remarkably fast
> >...We can be pretty confident that if we were dumping less extra CO2 in the atmosphere, there would be slower climate change.

> You might be pretty confident (you would be, of course) but more and
> more people are waking up to the fact that ...

Don't be silly. The 'more and more people' rhetoric is your imaginary flashmob,
and they have just been washed away by my imaginary flash flood. Imagine,
if you will, my sorrow.

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 17:23:31 +0000, The Natural Philosopher

<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 01/02/2024 17:12, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 16:42:52 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>> <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/02/2024 16:24, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 16:03:35 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>>> <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 01/02/2024 15:55, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>> Most people judge the truth of an assertion not on available facts and
>>>>>> reason, but by who said it. That's because most people are more social
>>>>>> than rational.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's because most people are to lazy or too stupid or too greedy to
>>>>> try and understand the truth.
>>>>
>>>> I think the sociability influence is powerful even among otherwise
>>>> intelligent professionals. Entire sciences achieve erroneous concensus
>>>> because eveyone agrees.
>>>>
>>> ConSensus
>>> EveRyone
>>
>> You can be an english teacher in your future career. I'm an engineer.
>>
>I am already an engineer, but it's no excuse for not using a spell checker

OK, give me a D-. I'd be so ashamed.

[whit3rd]

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:58:36 AM UTC-8, Custos Custodum wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:45:35 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com>

> wrote:
> >This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
> >facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
> >game away.

> ITYM "in the open spaces near (FSVO "near") runways". What's
> preposterous about that? What do you suppose happens to hot exhaust
> gases from aircraft engines? Think physics. Take your time now.

Hot gasses are low density, they rise. Lateral winds at ground level replace them,
pulling surrounding ambient temperature air past temperature monitoring stations near ground level.

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 17:38:00 +0000, l...@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

>The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 01/02/2024 16:10, John Larkin wrote:
>[...]
>> > CO2 is fertilizing plants, and we are always breeding better stuff, so
>> > crop yields aren't a good indicator of temperature.
>
>> Crops tend not to grow in winter. Crops growing earlier is a fairly
>> reliable indicator of rising temperatures.
>
>...as long as you are talking about the same variety of crop in the same
>soil with the same water and CO2 supply - and many other variables.

Seems to me that thermometers might work better.

[whit3rd]

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 8:25:22 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 16:03:35 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On 01/02/2024 15:55, John Larkin wrote:
> >> Most people judge the truth of an assertion not on available facts and
> >> reason, but by who said it. That's because most people are more social
> >> than rational.
> >
> >That's because most people are to lazy or too stupid or too greedy to
> >try and understand the truth.
> I think the sociability influence is powerful even among otherwise
> intelligent professionals. Entire sciences achieve erroneous concensus
> because eveyone agrees.

That sounds like a fantasy to me; are you talking about N-rays, where
the 'erroneous concensus' was perhaps a dozen individuals, a century ago?

> Sometimes breakthroughs are achieved ...
(irrelevant added text deleted)

> >Loads of people who work in big organisations are simply not
> >interested...in the truth

That's why we don't take opinion polls as seriously as scientific work.
Investigation is to be supported by evidence in science, not by 'loads of people'.

[Liz Tuddenham]

A thermograph would be even better, as long as it was correctly
deployed.

[Michael Ejercito]

Steve wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:45:35 +0000

> Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> wrote:
>
>> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
>> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the

>> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
>> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
>>
>> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say
>
> I'm beginning to think that you're a communist plant who's only
> pretending to be a pig-shit-thick righttard in order to discredit
> righttardedness.
>

Which rightards want to cripple Western industrial civilization.


Michael

[Michael Ejercito]

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:01:51 AM UTC-8, Anita 'Annie' Shein
is jew paedophile BARRY SHEIN's dead circumcised jew mum wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:51:40 -0800, NOT Michael Ejercito
> <MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:

>
> >Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
> >> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
> >> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
> >> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
> >>
> >>
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say

> >>

> > They want to destroy Western industrial civilization.
>
> That's what illegal gook 'immigrants' like you are doing, gook!

Yet again you cling to this fiction that I am some sort of illegal
alien, instead of the American citizen that I am!


Michael

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 5:45:44 PM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
>
> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say

The temperature station data is smoothed with surrounding station readings, and if anything gives a slightly lower reading than would be obtained with perfectly unbiased locations. This topic has been covered before in great detail. It's a waste of time talking to you because everything is just total bullshit to you, and you're mentally ill.

[john larkin]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 09:48:54 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

A jet engine will blow the layer of hot air, right above the paved
runway, into a nearby weather station. And add its own super-hot air.
That's fine to give guidance to airline operations, not so good for
declaring national high temp records.

The official weather station in Truckee is located at the edge of a
couple of runways. In the summer it's always hotter than the dozens of
nearby sensors, including my own carefully calibrated RTDs.

[Fred Bloggs]

Do you think NOAA is so damned dumb as to use an obvious outlier sample? How many blasts is the temperature station taking, what is its temporal response time, and what is the duty cycle of it, in particular, how does it affect the long-term average reported to data collection central?

[whit3rd]

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 10:37:53 AM UTC-8, john larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 09:48:54 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:58:36?AM UTC-8, Custos Custodum wrote:
> >> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:45:35 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
> >> >facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
> >> >game away.
> >> ITYM "in the open spaces near (FSVO "near") runways". What's
> >> preposterous about that? What do you suppose happens to hot exhaust
> >> gases from aircraft engines? Think physics. Take your time now.
> >
> >Hot gasses are low density, they rise. Lateral winds at ground level replace them,
> >pulling surrounding ambient temperature air past temperature monitoring stations near ground level.

> A jet engine will blow the layer of hot air, right above the paved
> runway, into a nearby weather station. And add its own super-hot air.

Problem one: jet engines don't have will, don't aim at weather stations.
Problem two: weather stations aren't reporting every millisecond, they're
polled a few times per day; the hot gust would have to be coincident in time (unlikely).
Problem three: there's multiple stations in most metropolitan areas, and if one of 'em
varies significantly from the others, its values are discounted at
data-collection time.

> The official weather station in Truckee is located at the edge of a
> couple of runways. In the summer it's always hotter than the dozens of
> nearby sensors, including my own carefully calibrated RTDs.

Yeah, but that means (problem three above) it isn't going unnoticed. The
'carefully calibrated' RTDs you've described in the past, are sited under shade
trees, which is contraindicated for temperature monitoring.
Trees open their spiracles at optimum temperature for photosynthesis,
and evaporate water in consequence. That makes a leafy canopy a kind
of thermoregulator, it skews the temperature readings.

[Anita 'Annie' Shein is jew paedophile BARRY SHEIN's dead circumcised jew mum]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:16:07 -0800, NOT Michael Ejercito
<MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:01:51?AM UTC-8, Anita 'Annie' Shein

Yet again, you cling to this delusion that you are an American citizen
instead of the illegal Flip Chinaman that you are!

Does this even LOOK like a g-ddam American?
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cy3sTCuxtlf/?hl=en


--

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus admits he got
no life AT ALL outside stalking on THE Usenet!
"Frankly, if he were gone, I wouldn't know what to do here."
Message-ID: <FCOQt.107901$hp7....@fx13.fr7>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus, defending his fellow
Grik sodomite the Grikboxer® and under the delusion that he's
been able to grow a pair: "You'd have to get past me first,"
Message-ID: <LOOQt.337647$Qr2....@fx08.fr7>

Yet more proof that the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
thinks he got a pair: "Just to let you know: ANYONE who "befriends"
the subnormal swine will have to deal with me! Get ready, bitch!"
Message-ID: <FHg6t.166438$Nl5....@newsfe07.iad>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus STILL seems to think
he got a pair: "Which will NEVER happen! You'd have to get past
me first, poor psycho! LOL"
Message-ID: <MCSIu.1$c5...@fx32.fr7>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus having still MORE delusions
about growing a pair: "If ANYONE dared to grab me by the neck
like that he'd get my fist in his face."
Message-ID: <qeilfu$iog$1...@gioia.aioe.org>

And AGAIN: "YOU sick pedo swine and ridiculous overt sexual cripple certainly won't EVER
get past any of us! This is a PROMISE, our pedophilic punching bag! LOL:
Message-ID: <178eb1f58212ab1a$16$2903823$49d3...@news.newsdemon.com>

In spite of all the evidence, the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
STILL has delusions about growing a pair!
"What kind of other-worldly pussies (men?) are you all? If someone
would dare to grab me by the back of my neck like that and push me
around, my instinctive, AUTOMATIC reaction would be to knock him in
the face! NOBODY is allowed to do that to ANYONE!"
Message-ID: <qfnPE.73303$YG3....@usenetxs.com>

And the demented grik delusions continue: "You STILL can't get past
me, my psychopathic pwnling! LOL"
Message-Id: <17a82652457272d3$1118$2642209$c0d5...@news.newsdemon.com>


Best of all! From the Foreskin Peeler's doctoral dissertation in divinity,
'University' of Salonica (1992): "The jew g-d is your g-d's dad."

[Peeler]

On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 19:01:26 +0000, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian

bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous

sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "Anita 'Annie' Shein is jew
paedophile BARRY SHEIN's dead circumcised jew mum", farted again:

>> Yet again you cling to this fiction that I am some sort of illegal
>>alien, instead of the American citizen that I am!
>
> Yet again, you cling to this delusion that you are an American citizen
> instead of the illegal Flip Chinaman that you are!
>
> Does this even LOOK like a g-ddam American?
> https://www.instagram.com/p/Cy3sTCuxtlf/?hl=en

HE is an American. YOU are an asshole. Period!

--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"That [referring to the term "consenting adults"] is just an outdated legal

construct. Are you telling me that a 13-year old who spends 15 hours a day
on Facebook is incapable of consent?"
MID: <Og0VE.1298131$5O3.6...@usenetxs.com>

So 13-year-olds are your thing, filthy old pedo swine?

[john larkin]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:51:09 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

"As of July 2022, the highest temperature ever recorded in the United
Kingdom occurred on July 19th, 2022 at Coningsby, Lincolnshire. On
this day, temperatures reached 40.3 degrees Celsius."

Check Google Earth.

[Loose Cannon]

On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 19:01:26 +0000, Anita 'Annie' Shein is jew
paedophile BARRY SHEIN's dead circumcised jew mum <RJ...@TheWor1d.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:16:07 -0800, NOT Michael Ejercito
><MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:01:51?AM UTC-8, Anita 'Annie' Shein
>>is jew paedophile BARRY SHEIN's dead circumcised jew mum wrote:
>> > On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:51:40 -0800, NOT Michael Ejercito
>> > <MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> > >> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
>> > >> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
>> > >> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
>> > >> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>>https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say
>>
>> > >>
>> > > They want to destroy Western industrial civilization.
>> >
>> > That's what illegal gook 'immigrants' like you are doing, gook!
>> Yet again you cling to this fiction that I am some sort of illegal
>>alien, instead of the American citizen that I am!
>
>Yet again, you cling to this delusion that you are an American citizen
>instead of the illegal Flip Chinaman that you are!
>
>Does this even LOOK like a g-ddam American?
> https://www.instagram.com/p/Cy3sTCuxtlf/?hl=en

How does something like that even get past the border?

[Peeler]

On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 16:23:50 -0500, Loose Sphincter, the unhappily married
gay neo-nazitard, whined again:

>>Yet again, you cling to this delusion that you are an American citizen
>>instead of the illegal Flip Chinaman that you are!
>>
>>Does this even LOOK like a g-ddam American?
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/Cy3sTCuxtlf/?hl=en
>
> How does something like that even get past the border?

LOL TWO whining old neo-nazis who can't hide what MISERABLE poor assholes
they are!

--
Loose Sphincter about his passion:
" I love eating the Shit out of Poor Helpless Dumb Goran Razovic! LOL"
MID: <ajftsc9mb16l8v86a...@4ax.com>

[Cursitor Doom]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 16:19:24 +0000, Fredxx <fre...@spam.invalid> wrote:

>On 01/02/2024 14:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>> On 01/02/2024 12:56, Spike wrote:
>>> Fredxx <fre...@spam.invalid> wrote:

>>>> On 01/02/2024 10:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>>>>> On 01/02/2024 08:18, Thomas Prufer wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:45:35 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com>

>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
>>>>>>> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
>>>>>>> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
>>>>>>> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>> The person stating that the locations are preposterous is a senior
>>>>>> fellow at The
>>>>>> Heartland Institute.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wikipedia:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian
>>>>>> public
>>>>>> policy think tank known for its rejection of both the scientific
>>>>>> consensus on
>>>>>> climate change and the negative health impacts of smoking."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Founded in 1984, it worked with tobacco company Philip Morris
>>>>>> throughout the
>>>>>> 1990s to attempt to discredit the health risks of secondhand smoke and
>>>>>> lobby
>>>>>> against smoking bans."
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ad hominem attacks are not scientific refutation and in fact are
>>>>> generally encountered when scientific refutation is known not to be
>>>>> possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> And conspiracy theories by the Left are rather laughable.
>>>>>
>>>>> And there is a lot less 'scientific consensus' than is made out
>>>>>
>>>>> More than 60% of scientists actually think that man made climate change
>>>>> is not a major issue.
>>>>
>>>> 60%? They do say that 82% of statistics are made on the spot. Feel free
>>>> to cite the source of your claim. I know you won't.
>>>
>>> One of the outrageous climate-change claims, echoed by a US President,
>>> was
>>> that 97% of scientists agree on climate change.
>>>
>>> This was the President that warned of climate-driven sea-level rise,
>>> mopping his brow on a cool day to emphasise the point.
>>>
>>> He later bought an $18million beachfront property at Martha’s Vineyard.
>>>
>> "ARLINGTON HEIGHTS, IL (November 8, 2022) – A new poll of scientists
>> conducted by Fairleigh Dickinson University found that only 59 percent
>> of respondents think global climate change will cause “significant harm”
>> to the “living conditions for people alive today.” That is far short of
>> the “97 percent consensus” narrative pushed by climate alarmists and
>> their media allies across the globe.
>
>That statement suggests your command of English is insufficient to
>understand the difference between "97% of scientists agree on climate
>change" and "59 percent of respondents think global climate change will
>cause “significant harm” to the “living conditions for people alive today".
>
>Of course your statement proves you don't give a shit about our children
>and our children's children.

It's for the parents and grandparents of those children to warn them
that the biggest threat to their future by far comes from being
bullshitted by Globalist propaganda into making the wrong life
decisions for themselves and *their* children going forward in the
decades to come. The world isn't going to become uninhabitable through
climate change because "Climate Change" [tm] is 100% bullshit and if
it's happening at all, it's happening as part of a natural cycle.
Every single molecule of CO2 which mankind has produced since the dawn
of the Industrial Revolution has been absorbed by plant life (which
thrives on it) and the oceans which naturally take it in.
Consequently, far from what you read *online* - there is *NO* warming
due to CO2. End of.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 09:54:00 +0000, Steve <st...@steve.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:45:35 +0000

>Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> wrote:
>
>> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
>> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
>> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
>> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
>>
>> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say
>

>I'm beginning to think

That's okay, Steve, we all have to start somewhere.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 14:59:27 +0000, l...@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

>Fredxx <fre...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > As in critical race theory that holds that all black people are
>> > oppressed and held back.
>>
>> Having a lower IQ doesn't help them very much either. Whereas Asian and

>> other races do very well.
>

>IQ tests are culture-related and very poor indicators of innate
>intelligence. If you took an IQ test devised for Africans by an
>African, who had never been outside Africa, you would fare a lot worse
>than a native of that country.

That's a fair point. Cultural differences count for a lot. So let's
take a look at some up to date figures which take account of that.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country

You'll note that the far eastern countries are very well represented
in these tables. We in the West really need to pull our socks up!

[Cursitor Doom]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 16:41:08 +0000, The Natural Philosopher

<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 01/02/2024 16:10, John Larkin wrote:

>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:45:38 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>> <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>>
>>> On 31/01/2024 22:45, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
>>>> facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
>>>> game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
>>>> garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say
>>>

>>> I don't think it is deliberate. Who wants to travel a hundred and fifty
>>> miles into a wilderness to read a thermometer? And even with digital
>>> thermometers there needs to be electric power.
>>>
>>> And in airports, what is needed for aircraft is the air temperature
>>> there, at or near ground level, because that affects landing and takeoff
>>> speeds.
>>>
>>> What is slightly mire worrying is the way they record 'daily averages'
>>>
>>> In the days of mercury or alcohol thermometers you read the maximum and
>>> minimum temperatures recorded by the sliding steel bars, added them
>>> together, and halved them.
>>>
>>> Not very precise, or average, but the best you could do.
>>>
>>> However digital thermometers respond much faster than mercury does, so
>>> it's possible to record a very brief maximum caused by e.g. a car or jet
>>> exhaust, by a climate activist shining a mirror on the weather
>>> station...or holding a lighter underneath it...
>>>
>>> And of course nearly all land weather stations have seen encroachment by
>>> urbanisation since 1950.
>>>
>>> What about the sea? Well that too is a tad suspect. It generally now
>>> measures from the intakes of cooling water into the ships engines. But
>>> ships tend to stick to shipping lanes, because they represent the
>>> shortest distances between choke points and popular destinations. and
>>> are pouring out hot water into the seas in those lanes.
>>>
>>> The best measurements are satellite, but they don't record earth
>>> temperatures, but the radiation over an area that may come from clouds
>>> high up, weather balloons, and buoys that duck down into the deep water,
>>> and record temperatures on the way up.
>>>
>>> In short, the actual data on which all these models are based, is not
>>> nearly as solid as people are told it is.
>>>
>>> And all the fuss is about an alleged rise of less than 0.5°C...
>>
>> From the link above
>>
>> "NOAA’s climate monitoring stations found that the Earth’s average
>> land and ocean surface temperature in 2023 was 1.35 degrees Celsius
>> above the pre-industrial average."
>>
>> so people are panicking by a possible 0.15c increase above that, which
>> will somehow suddenly become a planetary-scale extinction event.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Which is so far well within the range of 'natural' variation...
>>>
>>> In the little ice age ...'mean annual temperatures across the Northern
>>> Hemisphere declined by 0.6 °C (1.1 °F) relative to the average
>>> temperature between 1000 and 2000 CE.'...
>>>
>>> Not saying man made climate change isn't happening - it would be hard to
>>> justify saying that human activity has no effect whatsoever - but there
>>> is no smoking gun and no gunshot residue either.
>>>
>>> It could as easily be 99% natural. Or systematic errors in measurement.
>>>
>>> The real indicators would be places like the US and Canadian prairies to
>>> see whether they were getting earlier harvests consistently. Or whether
>>> the Siberian tundra were in fact becoming available for agriculture.

>>
>> CO2 is fertilizing plants, and we are always breeding better stuff, so
>> crop yields aren't a good indicator of temperature.
>>
>Crops tend not to grow in winter. Crops growing earlier is a fairly
>reliable indicator of rising temperatures.

Still doesn't assist in determining the cause, though. I think if it's
happening at all, 'carbon' from mankind's activities is a seriously
half-baked hypothesis.

[john larkin]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:31:38 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Gosh, what nasty people post here. Off-topic, of course.

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 09:47:18 +1100, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com>
wrote:

This fool doesnt believe that the atmospheric CO2 level
has ever increased since the industrial revolution because
so antique book ignorantly claimed that it was what it is
now more than a hundred years ago now.

[Fredxx]

Is that your way of saying you don't have children, or have children but
you don't retain contact with them?

[whit3rd]

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 1:13:42 PM UTC-8, john larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:51:09 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:

> >...calibrated' RTDs you've described in the past, are sited under shade

> >trees, which is contraindicated for temperature monitoring.
> >Trees open their spiracles at optimum temperature for photosynthesis,
> >and evaporate water in consequence. That makes a leafy canopy a kind
> >of thermoregulator, it skews the temperature readings.

> "As of July 2022, the highest temperature ever recorded in the United
> Kingdom occurred on July 19th, 2022 at Coningsby, Lincolnshire. On
> this day, temperatures reached 40.3 degrees Celsius."

Yeah, so those temperatures being higher than optimum,
we expect the trees to stop breathing CO2 and close up.
The range is 25 to 35 C, thermoregulation only occurs inside those
limits.

[Michael Ejercito]

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 1:23:54 PM UTC-8, Loose Cannon wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 19:01:26 +0000, Anita 'Annie' Shein is jew
> paedophile BARRY SHEIN's dead circumcised jew mum <RJ...@TheWor1d.com>
> wrote:
> >On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:16:07 -0800, NOT Michael Ejercito
> ><MEje...@HotMail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:01:51?AM UTC-8, Anita 'Annie' Shein
> >>is jew paedophile BARRY SHEIN's dead circumcised jew mum wrote:
> >> > That's what illegal gook 'immigrants' like you are doing, gook!
> >> Yet again you cling to this fiction that I am some sort of illegal
> >>alien, instead of the American citizen that I am!
> >

> >Yet again, you cling to this delusion that you are an American citizen
> >instead of the illegal Flip Chinaman that you are!
> >
> >Does this even LOOK like a g-ddam American?
> > https://www.instagram.com/p/Cy3sTCuxtlf/?hl=en
> How does something like that even get past the border?

People like me (Americans) get past the border by presenting
passports to customs agents at ports of entry!


Michael

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 2:57:22 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

> On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 09:18:01 +0100, Thomas Prufer
> <prufer...@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:
> >On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:45:35 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
> >>facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
> >>game away. The data they're using for their alarmist predictions are
> >>garbage and you know what that means: garbage in, garbage out.
> >>
> >>https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trillions-spent-climate-change-based-faulty-temperature-data-climate-experts-say
> >
> >
> >The person stating that the locations are preposterous is a senior fellow at The
> >Heartland Institute.
> >
> >Wikipedia:
> >
> >"The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian public
> >policy think tank known for its rejection of both the scientific consensus on
> >climate change and the negative health impacts of smoking."
> >
> >"Founded in 1984, it worked with tobacco company Philip Morris throughout the
> >1990s to attempt to discredit the health risks of secondhand smoke and lobby
> >against smoking bans."
> >
> >

> >Thomas Prufer

>
> Most people judge the truth of an assertion not on available facts and
> reason, but by who said it. That's because most people are more social
> than rational.
>

> I know that the official weather station in San Francisco has been
> moved four times, always in the warmer direction.

Because Anthony Watts told you that it had. Neither of you has the sense to realise that this doesn't affect the global warming statistics.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 3:11:58 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:45:38 +0000, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >On 31/01/2024 22:45, Cursitor Doom wrote:

<snip>

> >And all the fuss is about an alleged rise of less than 0.5°C...
>
> From the link above
>
> "NOAA’s climate monitoring stations found that the Earth’s average
> land and ocean surface temperature in 2023 was 1.35 degrees Celsius
> above the pre-industrial average."
>
> so people are panicking by a possible 0.15c increase above that, which will somehow suddenly become a planetary-scale extinction event.

Nobody sane has said anything of the sort. The climate change denial propaganda that John Larkin cuts and pastes into his posts does like to claim that, but they do have to do a lot of selective quotation from fringe groups to get the quotes they want.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[John Robertson]

As of 1952 the highest temperature recorded in the UK was 37.8C (100F)
on August 9, 1911 in Greenwich. 40.3C is 104.5F for comparison purposes.

Just an old book I picked up - CLW_1952.pdf

https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/download/file/io_1222f365-1041-4be8-889e-f53850885bdc

There are a few more people in the UK now than in 1911, and a few more
thermometers...not saying that is significant, but more data points does
tend to catch outliers.

John ;-#)#

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 3:25:22 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 16:03:35 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On 01/02/2024 15:55, John Larkin wrote:

> >> Most people judge the truth of an assertion not on available facts and
> >> reason, but by who said it. That's because most people are more social
> >> than rational.
> >

> >That's because most people are to lazy or too stupid or too greedy to
> >try and understand the truth.
>
> I think the sociability influence is powerful even among otherwise
> intelligent professionals. Entire sciences achieve erroneous concensus
> because eveyone agrees.

You've made that claim before, and your example was continental drift. As soon as we could see that the continents actually were drifting, the concensus flipped very rapidly.

> Sometimes breakthroughs are achieved by autistic people who are immune to the emotional influence of their peers and seniors.

Not very often. I can't think of a single example.

> >I remember an employee many years ago saying 'just tell me what I have
> >to do to get paid' He had no interest whatsoever beyond that, and he is
> >not alone.

> >
> >Loads of people who work in big organisations are simply not

> >interested...in the truth or anything. Just in keeping the job to pay
> >the mortgage and keeping the family in death burgers.
> >
> >They are in reality, simple slaves. And willing with it.
> Sure. Maybe their golf game is more important.
> >
> >They are not paid to think, but to obey.
> >
> >They make ideal climate scientists.

They don't.

> When the predicted climate disaster doesn't materialize, the "science"
> of climate prediction will swing in some new direction, to some new
> concensus. They will say "but we have more powerful computers now."

You do invent predicted climate disasters without ever citing the prediction you claim was made.

So far , anthropogenic global warning is proceeding as has been predicted for the past thirty years - which is when the warming got big enough to be statistically significant,

The predictions aren't that precise - heat transfer from the equator to the poles through the oceans depends on deep ocean currents that we don't know that much about, though the Argo buoys are starting to map them. Without that data even the best computers can't do all that well.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 9:47:26 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 16:19:24 +0000, Fredxx <fre...@spam.invalid> wrote:
> >On 01/02/2024 14:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >> On 01/02/2024 12:56, Spike wrote:
> >>> Fredxx <fre...@spam.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> On 01/02/2024 10:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >>>>> On 01/02/2024 08:18, Thomas Prufer wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:45:35 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> wrote:

> >That statement suggests your command of English is insufficient to
> >understand the difference between "97% of scientists agree on climate
> >change" and "59 percent of respondents think global climate change will
> >cause “significant harm” to the “living conditions for people alive today".
> >
> >Of course your statement proves you don't give a shit about our children
> >and our children's children.
>
> It's for the parents and grandparents of those children to warn them
> that the biggest threat to their future by far comes from being
> bullshitted by Globalist propaganda into making the wrong life
> decisions for themselves and *their* children going forward in the
> decades to come.

So of us do have (or have had) lunatic parents and grand-parents who might have believed that kind of nonsense.
My own parents were tolerably clever - both had university degrees but still warned us against marrying Roman Catholic girls. I didn't, bt\ut my younger brother did and it worked out fine.

> The world isn't going to become uninhabitable through
> climate change because "Climate Change" [tm] is 100% bullshit and if
> it's happening at all, it's happening as part of a natural cycle.

Climate change isn't going to make the world "uninhabitable". It is likely to make some areas of the world less habitable than they are now.
Wine growers have bought up large chunks of Tasmania in anticpation.
Anthropogenic global warming isn't part of any natural cycle - it reflects the extra CO2 in the atmosphere, up from the regular inter-glacial 270 ppm to the 315ppm we found when we first started doing reliable reproducible measurements in 1958 to the 421 pm we've got now. And it's our CO2 - the fossil carbon we burn is low on C-14,and there's less C-14 in atmospheric CO2 than there used to be, which messes up carbon-dating.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suess_effect

> Every single molecule of CO2 which mankind has produced since the dawn
> of the Industrial Revolution has been absorbed by plant life (which
> thrives on it) and the oceans which naturally take it in.
> Consequently, far from what you read *online* - there is *NO* warming
> due to CO2. End of.

Demented lunacy. Cursitor Doom rejects all CO2 measurements published since about 1890 as faked by his imaginary global warming conspiracy, which is just as imaginary as as his Globalist conspiracy.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 16:48:32 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Read the bit that you snipped.

I don't see any trees on that giant runway.

[Anthony William Sloman]

> >I'm beginning to think.

>
> That's okay, Steve, we all have to start somewhere.

Zero Hedge isn't a good place to start. Once you can think, you will realise that it is lying to you. Cursitor Doom can't think and enjoys being lied to.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Anthony William Sloman]

And Fred has every right - and in fact an obligation - to point out Cursitor Doom's unfortunate failings. Naive people might otherwise take him seriously.

--
Bill Sloman, Syhdney

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:51:09 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 10:37:53?AM UTC-8, john larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 09:48:54 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:58:36?AM UTC-8, Custos Custodum wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:45:35 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >This can be no accident. The siting of temperature recording
>> >> >facilities in preposterous locations like airport runways gives the
>> >> >game away.
>> >> ITYM "in the open spaces near (FSVO "near") runways". What's
>> >> preposterous about that? What do you suppose happens to hot exhaust
>> >> gases from aircraft engines? Think physics. Take your time now.
>> >
>> >Hot gasses are low density, they rise. Lateral winds at ground level replace them,
>> >pulling surrounding ambient temperature air past temperature monitoring stations near ground level.
>
>> A jet engine will blow the layer of hot air, right above the paved
>> runway, into a nearby weather station. And add its own super-hot air.
>
>Problem one: jet engines don't have will, don't aim at weather stations.

Airplanes don't need intelligence to push hot air around. Neither do
you.

>Problem two: weather stations aren't reporting every millisecond, they're
>polled a few times per day; the hot gust would have to be coincident in time (unlikely).
>Problem three: there's multiple stations in most metropolitan areas, and if one of 'em
>varies significantly from the others, its values are discounted at
>data-collection time.
>
>> The official weather station in Truckee is located at the edge of a
>> couple of runways. In the summer it's always hotter than the dozens of
>> nearby sensors, including my own carefully calibrated RTDs.
>
>Yeah, but that means (problem three above) it isn't going unnoticed. The
>'carefully calibrated' RTDs you've described in the past, are sited under shade
>trees, which is contraindicated for temperature monitoring.

That area is heavily forested and the only big flat vegetation-free
space around there is the runway with the weather station. I think you
are sugesting that all weather stations should be constructed by first
cutting down all the trees and paving some acres flat first.