Arizona is going down the tube.......
don
considering mortgaging Capitol buildings.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091112/ap_on_bi_ge/us_state_budgets
Maybe they should look for Jims offshore accounts to fill the
shortfalls. :-)
don
mi...@sushi.com
UBS has been finking out the offshore crowd. I really don't care if
they get screwed since the IRS had several programs to cheaply
repatriate the money during the Bush years. Hell, if you were a
corporation, you could repatriate money with a 5% penalty. It was in
one of Bush's (cough cough) "job creation" acts.
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?
az=view_all&address=104x3120527>
Now if we could just tax the underground economy (gardeners, home
improvement so-called contractors, etc.) and of course tax the
churches
don
And you think abortion is a hot topic !
This would make the right wingers run for cover.
don
Mark
I heard on NPR the other day that some areas need more money for
sewage treatment plants and that as a way to riase this money they
were considering a TAX ON TOILET PAPER!!!!
Mark
Rich Grise
>
> Now if we could just tax the underground economy (gardeners, home
> improvement so-called contractors, etc.) and of course tax the churches
Simple. A blanket PURCHASE/CONSUMPTION/EXPENDITURE tax. Rather than
trying to track down underground income, just tax what they spend! That'd
get the church folks and the bureaucrats, too!
After all, every tax dollar there IS comes out of some poor schlub's
pocket, one way or another.
Hope This Helps!
Rich
mi...@sushi.com
The problem with a consumption tax is you taxed the income of many
people all their lives. Then when they retire and don't make money,
you are now going to charge a tax on what they consume? It will never
fly.
If the states would charge fees for services instead of using the
general fund, things would run smoother. For instance, DMV fees, the
gas tax, and the sales tax on gas in California should only go to
transportation. This was supposed to be the case thanks to two
propositions, but the Governator has stolen the money year after year,
replacing it with IOUs that will never be repaid.
Incidentally, the CA sales tax on gas taxes the federal tax, so you
pay tax on tax.
gearhead
Like sales tax? Or VAT? We already have taxes on lots of stuff from
income to expenditure. And we get various things like clean water,
support for higher education and research, road construction, law
enforcement... just a million things. Civilization, in a word. If
we didn´t have taxes to support foolish, greedy, inefficient
government activities such as those I just mentioned and many others,
civilization would die a slow and painful death. When it comes to
government, you take the good with the bad, and do your best to
eliminate the bad stuff and keep the good stuff. Nothing will ever be
perfect.
Bit Farmer
Minnesota's Governor Tim Pawlenty would not call that a tax, but a user fee.
b. Farmer
Greegor
[...]
miso > Incidentally, the CA sales tax on gas taxes
miso > the federal tax, so you pay tax on tax.
It could be funnier.
They could tax the tax and then
also tax any tax refund!
This happens too!
When they do stuff like that can you
help the feeling they hoped nobody
would notice? LOL
Jim Thompson
Naaah! We're just going to shoot all the liberals... it's faster and
cheaper.
...Jim Thompson
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Liberal, Leftist and Democrat are polite aphorisms for YELLOW.
Vladimir Vassilevsky
Jim Thompson wrote:
> Naaah! We're just going to shoot all the liberals... it's faster and
> cheaper.
I am just wondering why democrats are pushing gun control issues...
VLV
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
Probably because they hate Freedom, like all good little communist dupes
do; apparently so do the neocons.
We have to get rid of ALL of the bastards! Kill a Bureaucrat for Christ!
Hope This Helps!
Rich
krw
wrote:
No, that's a luxury tax (ask Jim about the alternative from Sears and
Roebuck). A "user fee" would be the meter on the toilet tank.
krw
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 12, 12:40�pm, "m...@sushi.com" <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
>[...]
>miso > Incidentally, the CA sales tax on gas taxes
>miso > the federal tax, so you pay tax on tax.
>
>It could be funnier.
>They could tax the tax and then
>also tax any tax refund!
>
>This happens too!
When?
krw
Job security, of course. That's a given.
mi...@sushi.com
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:46:33 -0800 (PST), Greegor
>
> >On Nov 12, 12:40 pm, "m...@sushi.com" <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
> >[...]
> >miso > Incidentally, the CA sales tax on gas taxes
> >miso > the federal tax, so you pay tax on tax.
>
> >It could be funnier.
> >They could tax the tax and then
> >also tax any tax refund!
>
> >This happens too!
>
> When?
>
> >When they do stuff like that can you
> >help the feeling they hoped nobody
> >would notice? LOL
Doesn't federal income tax treat the the FICA set deduction as income?
So if you collect social security and manage to have too much income,
you are effectively being taxed twice. Don't quote me I'm not there
yet. ;-)
When you get a return from the state, you need to declare it on next
years federal, since you deducted it from your income. That's not a
double taxation though.
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
Taxes do pay for the above, true. But only 1/3rd. 1/3rd to military
& infrastructure.
The other 2/3rds goes to Great Society stuff, i.e., handouts. Taken
from one citizen,
given to another.
True story.
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
krw
>On Nov 12, 4:57�pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:46:33 -0800 (PST), Greegor
>>
>> <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Nov 12, 12:40�pm, "m...@sushi.com" <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
>> >[...]
>> >miso > Incidentally, the CA sales tax on gas taxes
>> >miso > the federal tax, so you pay tax on tax.
>>
>> >It could be funnier.
>> >They could tax the tax and then
>> >also tax any tax refund!
>>
>> >This happens too!
>>
>> When?
>>
>> >When they do stuff like that can you
>> >help the feeling they hoped nobody
>> >would notice? � LOL
>
>Doesn't federal income tax treat the the FICA set deduction as income?
>So if you collect social security and manage to have too much income,
>you are effectively being taxed twice. Don't quote me I'm not there
>yet. ;-)
There is a penalty for early SS withdrawal if you're still working
(I'm not there either, so...). However, that's not "taxing the
refund".
>When you get a return from the state, you need to declare it on next
>years federal, since you deducted it from your income. That's not a
>double taxation though.
Right. You deducted what you shouldn't have and are repaying it the
following year.
gearhead
>
> - Mostrar texto de la cita -
Help me with the math, all those thirds don´t add up somehow.
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
> Help me with the math, all those thirds don´t add up somehow.
Okay, 1/3 + 2/3rds = 1.
James Arthur
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
Why? One third to M&I, two thirds to socialism.
Maybe dagmargoodboat should have said:
---------------------
Taxes do pay for the above, true. But only 1/3rd, to military &
infrastructure.
The other 2/3rds goes to Great Society stuff, i.e., handouts. Taken from
one citizen,
given to another.
---------------------------
Hope This Helps!
Rich
Rich Grise
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:26:12 -0600, Bit Farmer <bit.f...@yahoo.com>
>>> On Nov 12, 11:23 am, don <don> wrote:
>>>> m...@sushi.com wrote:
>>>>> and of course tax the churches
>>>> And you think abortion is a hot topic !
>>>>
>>>> This would make the right wingers run for cover.
>>>
>>> treatment plants and that as a way to riase this money they were
>>> considering a TAX ON TOILET PAPER!!!!
>>>
>>fee.
>
> No, that's a luxury tax (ask Jim about the alternative from Sears and
> Roebuck). A "user fee" would be the meter on the toilet tank.
I could live without toilet paper. I certainly don't need to wipe anything
when I pee, and for #2, I could just wash, like they do in Thailand. Or,
if that's inconvenient, paper towels or paper napkins. In a real emergency
situation, you could use newspaper. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Michael A. Terrell
Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:48:49 -0700, don <don> wrote:
>
> >In Arizona, the budget has grown so gloomy that lawmakers are
> >considering mortgaging Capitol buildings.
> >
> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091112/ap_on_bi_ge/us_state_budgets
> >
> >Maybe they should look for Jims offshore accounts to fill the
> >shortfalls. :-)
> >
> >
> >don
>
> Naaah! We're just going to shoot all the liberals... it's faster and
> cheaper.
Just stuff them down closed oil wells and let the fat between their
ears turn back into crude oil. :)
--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
Jim Thompson
Think green! Save the fat for boiling intransigent Islamic Muslims;-)
...Jim Thompson
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If you wanted a President with balls why didn't you elect Hillary?
krw
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:21:43 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
><mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:48:49 -0700, don <don> wrote:
>>>
>>> >In Arizona, the budget has grown so gloomy that lawmakers are
>>> >considering mortgaging Capitol buildings.
>>> >
>>> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091112/ap_on_bi_ge/us_state_budgets
>>> >
>>> >Maybe they should look for Jims offshore accounts to fill the
>>> >shortfalls. :-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >don
>>>
>>> Naaah! We're just going to shoot all the liberals... it's faster and
>>> cheaper.
>>
>>
>> Just stuff them down closed oil wells and let the fat between their
>>ears turn back into crude oil. :)
>
>Think green! Save the fat for boiling intransigent Islamic Muslims;-)
I thought we were saving that for leftist weenies.
mi...@sushi.com
>
> If you wanted a President with balls why didn't you elect Hillary?
You can lead a Republican to knowledge, but you can't make him think.
Michael A. Terrell
Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:21:43 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jim Thompson wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:48:49 -0700, don <don> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In Arizona, the budget has grown so gloomy that lawmakers are
> >> >considering mortgaging Capitol buildings.
> >> >
> >> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091112/ap_on_bi_ge/us_state_budgets
> >> >
> >> >Maybe they should look for Jims offshore accounts to fill the
> >> >shortfalls. :-)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >don
> >>
> >> Naaah! We're just going to shoot all the liberals... it's faster and
> >> cheaper.
> >
> >
> > Just stuff them down closed oil wells and let the fat between their
> >ears turn back into crude oil. :)
>
> Think green! Save the fat for boiling intransigent Islamic Muslims;-)
Nah. Use huge lenses & solar power to boil them in their
personalized pigskins.
JosephKK
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:48:49 -0700, don <don> wrote:
>
>>In Arizona, the budget has grown so gloomy that lawmakers are
>>considering mortgaging Capitol buildings.
>>
>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091112/ap_on_bi_ge/us_state_budgets
>>
>>Maybe they should look for Jims offshore accounts to fill the
>>shortfalls. :-)
>>
>>
>>don
>
>Naaah! We're just going to shoot all the liberals... it's faster and
>cheaper.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
What is the firing rate on your machine gun? Can you keep up with the
rate they breed? Remember they breed in two ways, biologically and
ideologically.
Jim Thompson
Actually liberals breed at a much lower rate (*) than conservatives...
that's a fact. The only breeders faster than a conservative are,
unfortunately, Islamic Muslims.
(*) Leftists seem to have a perpetual problem, much like Slowman, they
have trouble "getting it up". And the fairy versions of liberals
don't breed at all ;-)
>Remember they breed in two ways, biologically and
>ideologically.
Ideological is trivial to fix... do away with public funding of
colleges... or shoot a few "professors", like Ward Churchill ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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If you wanted a President with balls why didn't you elect Hillary?
krw
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:19:00 -0800,
>"JosephKK"<quiett...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:05:05 -0700, Jim Thompson
>><To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:48:49 -0700, don <don> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In Arizona, the budget has grown so gloomy that lawmakers are
>>>>considering mortgaging Capitol buildings.
>>>>
>>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091112/ap_on_bi_ge/us_state_budgets
>>>>
>>>>Maybe they should look for Jims offshore accounts to fill the
>>>>shortfalls. :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>don
>>>
>>>Naaah! We're just going to shoot all the liberals... it's faster and
>>>cheaper.
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>>What is the firing rate on your machine gun? Can you keep up with the
>>rate they breed?
>
>Actually liberals breed at a much lower rate (*) than conservatives...
>that's a fact. The only breeders faster than a conservative are,
>unfortunately, Islamic Muslims.
That only accounts for the biological method. Public schools more
than make up for that difference. Muslims have both.
>(*) Leftists seem to have a perpetual problem, much like Slowman, they
>have trouble "getting it up". And the fairy versions of liberals
>don't breed at all ;-)
No, they teach.
>>Remember they breed in two ways, biologically and
>>ideologically.
>
>Ideological is trivial to fix... do away with public funding of
>colleges... or shoot a few "professors", like Ward Churchill ;-)
Don't even have to go that far. Get rid of tenure and pay them for
performance. Though it'll have to start a lot earlier than the
colleges.
Greegor
the state trying to tax your Federal refund, I always felt
like a Venn diagram would help.
Sales tax is a double taxation from the get go.
We had a flood and one of the reasons a landlord
did not take a forgiveable state loan (5 years) is that
he would have to pay income tax on it up front!
If he had the liquid assets to do that, why would
he need the loan to rebuild in the first place?
Flood aid IS taxable and there is sales tax on repair materials.
Unemployment is taxable.
I'm not "that age" yet, but I recently found out that
if a person had a GOOD income (MAX SS payin)
for 30 years but then due to the economy their
income plummets for 7 years before retiring, the
amount they get is MINIMUM.
I had always mistakenly thought that good income
and payin years would boost what you get but
somewhere I heard that it only matters what your
income and payin is for the last 7 years before
you retire.
I've known several people who worked at somewhat
lowly jobs in the last few years before they retire.
I feel like they got ripped off after paying the
max rate for many decades earlier in life.
But if the economy takes a major DUMP
on jobs for 7 years, doesn't that ease the
Social Security funding problem in a big way
by slashing the payout?
Jim Thompson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Between the Feds trying to tax your state refund and
>the state trying to tax your Federal refund, I always felt
>like a Venn diagram would help.
>
[snip]
>
>I'm not "that age" yet, but I recently found out that
>if a person had a GOOD income (MAX SS payin)
>for 30 years but then due to the economy their
>income plummets for 7 years before retiring, the
>amount they get is MINIMUM.
>
>I had always mistakenly thought that good income
>and payin years would boost what you get but
>somewhere I heard that it only matters what your
>income and payin is for the last 7 years before
>you retire.
>
[snip]
It's not quite as bad as all that, but close ;-)...
http://www.ssa.gov/glossary.htm
Bit Farmer
Misinformed.
Quoting from the SSA: "Computation years are the years with highest earnings selected from the "base years.� We add total earnings
in the computation years and divide by the number of months in those years to get the AME or the AIME. (We use your 35 highest years
of earnings to compute your retirement benefits.)"
You can also look on your SSA statement and see the amounts that you have paid and your employers have paid in to both SS and Medicare.
b. Farmer
krw
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Between the Feds trying to tax your state refund and
>the state trying to tax your Federal refund, I always felt
>like a Venn diagram would help.
This is a lie. Any tax owed on a state refund was because you
claiming that withholding as a deduction the previous year. It really
is simple.
>Sales tax is a double taxation from the get go.
Another lie.
>We had a flood and one of the reasons a landlord
>did not take a forgiveable state loan (5 years) is that
>he would have to pay income tax on it up front!
>If he had the liquid assets to do that, why would
>he need the loan to rebuild in the first place?
Tax is not owed on a loan. The "interest free" part, perhaps.
>Flood aid IS taxable and there is sales tax on repair materials.
>Unemployment is taxable.
More lies. The federal government doesn't have a sales tax.
>I'm not "that age" yet, but I recently found out that
>if a person had a GOOD income (MAX SS payin)
>for 30 years but then due to the economy their
>income plummets for 7 years before retiring, the
>amount they get is MINIMUM.
More bald-faced lies. SS payments are averaged over the highest 35
years. 35 years is considered a full working life. Anything less is
an "early" retirement. At least this part of SS makes sense.
>I had always mistakenly thought that good income
>and payin years would boost what you get but
>somewhere I heard that it only matters what your
>income and payin is for the last 7 years before
>you retire.
Lies.
>I've known several people who worked at somewhat
>lowly jobs in the last few years before they retire.
As long as they've worked 35 full years, they're good to go.
>I feel like they got ripped off after paying the
>max rate for many decades earlier in life.
You must feel like the fool you are.
>But if the economy takes a major DUMP
>on jobs for 7 years, doesn't that ease the
>Social Security funding problem in a big way
>by slashing the payout?
Continued lie. You must be a Demonicrat.
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:05:05 -0700, Jim Thompson
>>
>>>In Arizona, the budget has grown so gloomy that lawmakers are
>>>considering mortgaging Capitol buildings.
>>>
>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091112/ap_on_bi_ge/us_state_budgets
>>>
>>>Maybe they should look for Jims offshore accounts to fill the
>>>shortfalls. :-)
>>
>>cheaper.
>
> rate they breed? Remember they breed in two ways, biologically and
> ideologically.
Typical neocons - murder as a first resort.
Feh.
Rich