China now equals US in space
Jan Panteltje
They did a spacewalk too.
US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
Both will aim for the moon.
My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
Anthony Fremont
I wouldn't say they exactly "equal" the US in space capability after one
successful space walk. The US did that forty years ago without
microprocessors. Don't get me wrong it was a good accomplishment, but I'll
be more impressed when they leave orbit.
Jan Panteltje
<nob...@noplace.net> wrote in
<DoGdnRlvQItnNkLV...@supernews.com>:
Well, that is true, of course.
But that was the 'old' Werher von Braun crew.
I bet he would be back on the moon in a year, not 2020 as NASA wants.
But did you know that Chinese rocket had *67* successful launches, zero failures?
So now you know who to trust your sats to.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
> They did a spacewalk too.
> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>
> Both will aim for the moon.
We've been there already. So I think we're still ahead.
>
> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>
> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
I hope so. Its the same stuff we use.
>
> Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
Probably because 1) its newer, and 2) they don't have to spread their
acquisition contracts around to states and companies based upon
political influence. Its a military program in a country where, if you
don't keep the customer happy they shoot you.
IMO, that policy would go a long way toward cleaning up Pentagon
contracts as well.
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Jan Panteltje wrote:
> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
> They did a spacewalk too.
> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>
> Both will aim for the moon.
Sounds pretty pointless to me.
Graham
Eeyore
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." wrote:
> Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >
> > The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
> > They did a spacewalk too.
> > US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
> >
> > Both will aim for the moon.
>
> We've been there already. So I think we're still ahead.
> >
> > My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
> >
> > It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>
> I hope so. Its the same stuff we use.
>
> > Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
>
> Probably because 1) its newer, and 2) they don't have to spread their
> acquisition contracts around to states and companies based upon
> political influence. Its a military program in a country where, if you
> don't keep the customer happy they shoot you.
>
> IMO, that policy would go a long way toward cleaning up Pentagon
> contracts as well.
And the banking system.
Graham
Jim Thompson
>Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>
>> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
>> They did a spacewalk too.
>> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>>
>> Both will aim for the moon.
>
>We've been there already. So I think we're still ahead.
>>
>> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>>
>> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>
>I hope so. Its the same stuff we use.
>
>>
>> Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
>
>Probably because 1) its newer, and 2) they don't have to spread their
>acquisition contracts around to states and companies based upon
>political influence. Its a military program in a country where, if you
>don't keep the customer happy they shoot you.
>
>IMO, that policy would go a long way toward cleaning up Pentagon
>contracts as well.
Just think how much better the world would be if, in China style, we
eliminated all the Democrats ;-)
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John Larkin
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
>They did a spacewalk too.
>US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>
>Both will aim for the moon.
>
>My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>
>It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>
Neither space walks, no putting men on the moon, is inherently
valuable. And nowadays, with so much technology behind us, neither is
especially difficult; all it takes is a heap of money.
I suppose North Korea will do it next.
>Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
Lots of Chinese stuff "looks" good.
http://poligazette.com/2008/09/26/china-fakes-space-report/
John
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
I have doubts that the US will be back on the moon by 2020, even with
the new Saturn 5.1 "Back to the Future" efforts.
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> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:53:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje
> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
>> They did a spacewalk too.
>> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>>
>> Both will aim for the moon.
>>
>> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>>
>> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>>
>
> Neither space walks, no putting men on the moon, is inherently
> valuable. And nowadays, with so much technology behind us, neither is
> especially difficult; all it takes is a heap of money.
What might well be inherently valuable is doing a bit of asteroid mining.
John Larkin
<dirk....@gmail.com> wrote:
>John Larkin wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:53:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
>>> They did a spacewalk too.
>>> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>>>
>>> Both will aim for the moon.
>>>
>>> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>>>
>>> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>>>
>>
>> Neither space walks, no putting men on the moon, is inherently
>> valuable. And nowadays, with so much technology behind us, neither is
>> especially difficult; all it takes is a heap of money.
>
>What might well be inherently valuable is doing a bit of asteroid mining.
Do asteroids have any valuable stuff inside? Seems like even a solid
gold asteriod wouldn't be worth the energy it would take to exploit
it.
And it sure wouldn't make sense to send up people to do it.
John
Greg Neill
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:29:44 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
> <dirk....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:53:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
>>>> They did a spacewalk too.
>>>> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the
>>>> ISS the last few years.
>>>>
>>>> Both will aim for the moon.
>>>>
>>>> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on
>>>> CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>>>>
>>>> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Neither space walks, no putting men on the moon, is inherently
>>> valuable. And nowadays, with so much technology behind us, neither
>>> is especially difficult; all it takes is a heap of money.
>>
>> What might well be inherently valuable is doing a bit of asteroid
>> mining.
>
> Do asteroids have any valuable stuff inside? Seems like even a solid
> gold asteriod wouldn't be worth the energy it would take to exploit
> it.
It's not worth it if you intend to bring the stuff home. But it's
unimaginably valuable if it's to be used in space. The same energy
costs apply to getting stuff from here to space, so raw materials
that are already there are inherently valuable.
>
> And it sure wouldn't make sense to send up people to do it.
Agreed.
dalai lamah
> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>
> Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
Yep, but then the taikonauts died poisoned by the food and the paint into
the spacecraft.
Jan Panteltje
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
<npevd49f239mce9lq...@4ax.com>:
Well, they have to manage zillions of people,
give them some goal.
Sure the Great Leader did read a pre-determined text today to the astronauts,
I have seen it, did he use auto-cue? I dunno, he spoke in a telephone.
The astronauts clearly read from some piece of paper.
But remember, even Neil Armstrong did say 'small step...' and that was all studied in.
In the US it is exactly the same, just you do not know it.
You are kept busy voting between Democrats and Republicanions,
makes you think you have a choice, while being plundered by a Saudi mole
that they made you vote for.
Now he takes away your life savings if those are in a bank...
The media are under state control.
I can tell you about the media, I worked there in head control centre man years.
There is a telephone, and if that one rings you dance to its tune.
It is a straight line to the government.
Running a country, with the well-being of so many at stake, requires this sort of discipline.
I was suited for it then, not now I think, but they have plenty who can do it with full
conviction.
Also is there an other way?
Politics is about control.
It is sad that some people (somebody here called ThomThom or something), just completely
makes the crap their own, and start parroting the sentences.
But that sort of politics is aimed at the common people,
THEY are the majority, the intelligentsia never was.
China should be respected for having so many people live together in peace.
And making such a great progress technically, economically, and even politically (after Mao).
krw
sent to the cited author.]
In article <DoGdnRlvQItnNkLV...@supernews.com>,
nob...@noplace.net says...
I'll be more impressed when they come back.
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
So maybe all the Chinese want to do is colonise the Moon, Mars and the
Asteroids. Not cost effective for the USA to do.
>> And it sure wouldn't make sense to send up people to do it.
>
> Agreed.
It is if you don't want it done at the speed of the Mars rovers.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:32:30 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
> <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>
>> contracts as well.
>
>
> on the wall first... just for effect. Of course, I won't be able to ask
> you if your opinion is the same at that point.
>
> Go ahead, asswipe... try to attack our freedoms.
>
No need to - the Patriot Act took a lot away already.
Michael A. Terrell
They better import safe food for their crew, or they will die on the
way.
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Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
It should. At least part of it is the same thing NASA used. They
bought most of their telemetry equipment from Microdyne. They would
have bought more, but the Clinton era politicians changed their mind and
stopped further shipments.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
> Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
>> They did a spacewalk too.
>> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>>
>> Both will aim for the moon.
>>
>> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>>
>> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>>
>> Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
>
>
> They better import safe food for their crew, or they will die on the
> way.
Just shows what kind of crap unregulated Capitalism produces.
T
> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
> They did a spacewalk too.
> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>
> Both will aim for the moon.
>
> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>
> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>
> Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
>
Yeah but the U.S. did manage to safely land men on the moon and "return
them safely to earth..."
The Chinese have a way to go before they accomplish that, even the
Russians didn't manage to do it. But the U.S. will always have the
distinction of having done it first.
As for it being a perfect mission, good for them. The fact their
electronics worked mean they're using western technology.
Michael A. Terrell
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
> >> They did a spacewalk too.
> >> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
> >>
> >> Both will aim for the moon.
> >>
> >> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
> >>
> >> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
> >>
> >> Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
> >
> >
> > They better import safe food for their crew, or they will die on the
> > way.
>
> Just shows what kind of crap unregulated Capitalism produces.
For a country that supposedly places a high value on honor, they have
very little. Greed, on the other hand?
Jon Slaughter
"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gbnuou$6dd$1...@aioe.org...
> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
> They did a spacewalk too.
> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the
> last few years.
>
> Both will aim for the moon.
>
> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9
> (Hotbird) via satellite).
>
> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>
> Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
You sure it wasn't special effects? China's pretty good at that from what I
hear.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
>>>> They did a spacewalk too.
>>>> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>>>>
>>>> Both will aim for the moon.
>>>>
>>>> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>>>>
>>>> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>>>>
>>>> Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
>>>
>>> They better import safe food for their crew, or they will die on the
>>> way.
>> Just shows what kind of crap unregulated Capitalism produces.
>
>
> For a country that supposedly places a high value on honor, they have
> very little. Greed, on the other hand?
Honour? You're thinking about Japan.
China and greed have always gone hand in hand, along with innovation and
intelligence.
Think "1300 million Jews"
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
> In article <gbnuou$6dd$1...@aioe.org>, pNaonSt...@yahoo.com says...
>> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
>> They did a spacewalk too.
>> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>>
>> Both will aim for the moon.
>>
>> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>>
>> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>>
>> Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
>>
>
> Yeah but the U.S. did manage to safely land men on the moon and "return
> them safely to earth..."
>
> The Chinese have a way to go before they accomplish that, even the
> Russians didn't manage to do it. But the U.S. will always have the
> distinction of having done it first.
Which, in the long term, will likely be the only thing for which the USA
will be remembered.
> As for it being a perfect mission, good for them. The fact their
> electronics worked mean they're using western technology.
All it needs is 1960s technology.
Spehro Pefhany
The entire US economy is based on stacked-up 1900-year-old Chinese
technology invented by a eunuch named Cai Lun.
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>But did you know that Chinese rocket had *67* successful launches, zero failures?
>So now you know who to trust your sats to.
Does that mean zero people that can talk about failures from prison? ;)
Jim Thompson
Probably like the Iranian launches that proved to be Photoshopped ;-)
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Richard Henry
wrote:
> John Larkin wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:53:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>
> >> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
> >> They did a spacewalk too.
> >> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>
> >> Both will aim for the moon.
>
> >> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>
> >> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>
> > valuable. And nowadays, with so much technology behind us, neither is
> > especially difficult; all it takes is a heap of money.
>
> What might well be inherently valuable is doing a bit of asteroid mining.
>
What can you get from an asteroid that is not available on earth for
less money?
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:32:30 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
> <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> None of the chips of which "their electronics" is comprised of are
> designed by them either.
That's even worse, isn't it. We design it and then they sell our stuff
back to us.
> A cannot believe how "horses with blinders on" some of the folks here
> are.
I guess the blinders will stay on until our troops can't operate their
high tech weapons because all the instructions are written in Engrish
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engrish).
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>
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:32:30 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
> <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>
> >contracts as well.
>
> I can think of a few socialistic engineering fucktards I'd like to put
> on the wall first... just for effect. Of course, I won't be able to ask
> you if your opinion is the same at that point.
If Chinese managers outsourced their sensitive technology as fast as our
do, they'd get put against the wall pretty quickly. Where are our
managers?
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John Larkin
I suspect that minerals on asteroids are fairly undifferentiated.
Like, the gold is dispersed in rock or iron at some PPM level, rather
than in nice shiny nuggets and veins. It was thoughtful of someone to
separate out the minerals on Earth into nice handy clumps.
John
Don Klipstein
<Stuff quoted more than twice SNIPPED>
>> What might well be inherently valuable is doing a bit of asteroid mining.
>
>What can you get from an asteroid that is not available on earth for
>less money?
Possibly iridium. I hear it said enough that Earth (surface and
near-surface portion thereof) is generally so low on iridium compared to
naturaly occurring objects from space that a concentration of iridium at a
crater or explosion scene or in a suspected meteorite is strong evidence
that an object from space landed there.
This makes me suspect that other "platinum group" metals may be more
abundant on asteroids than on or within a couple miles of the surface of
Earth.
A significant problem in space may be energy requirements for extracting
such metals. Without free oxygen to burn fuels, the cheapest energy is
either solar cells or nuclear reactors.
Most of the asteroids are 2-3 times as far from the Sun as Earth is.
Vesta has a slightly elliptical orbit with perihelion at about 2.15 A.U.
and aphelion at about 2.55 A.U. Ceres is father, with perihelion at about
2.55 A.U. and aphelion at almost 3 A.U. 1 A.U. is average distance of
center of Earth from center of the Sun.
So solar cells have about 155-290 watts per square meter to work with at
about 10% efficiency. Any major solar energy facilities there may need to
use large concentrating reflectors and sun-tracking systems. Aluminized
mylar with a little structural ribbing is lighter and cheaper and less
fragile when thin than monocrystalline semiconductor grade silicon, but
getting large area bulky objects - even if foldable and unfoldable - will
be a major engineering challenge just to get the cost of transportation
and deployment to an asteroid to a smaller number of orders of magnitude
past a megabuck.
Nukes may be cheaper than on Earth if deployed and operated 10's to
100's of millions of miles away from where anyone has to live or spend
much time working, but transportation and set-up costs for anything
requiring fission (as opposed to a little thing working from heat of mere
radioactive decay, maybe with halflife in decades) sounds to me to be
monumental.
I would think that a profitable asteroid mine would have to be on
"small space colony" scale, even if staffed by robots and not humans.
That sounds to me like gigabucks, and I wonder if that can bring back
iridium by the ton.
I do realize that getting a ton of something from an asteroid to Earth
costs a lot less than the other way around, but velocity change of a few
thousand meters per second is still necessary to get an object to drop
towards the Sun to Earth's orbit from the Asteroid Belt. So fuel and
oxidizer has to be transported from Earth to whatever asteroid is in
question - or else use ion rockets powered by nukes, probably assembled
in Earth orbit - at cost probably an order of magnitude or 2 more than
that of a Space Shuttle.
Maybe the Chinese can get cost of transportation to Earth orbit to an
order of magnitude or 2 less than USA has now, but I still wonder if a ton
of iridium can be brought to Earth from an asteroid for less than the cost
of getting it from Earth. And how many tons of iridium have been
extracted in our history so far anyway? And what is it used for - mostly
to alloy with platinum to harden it for jewelry and some mass standards
(such as the IPK and some copies thereof) and a few standards of linear
measurement such as the IPM (no longer the definition of the meter)?
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
The Real Andy
<pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>
>> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
>> They did a spacewalk too.
>> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>>
>> Both will aim for the moon.
>
>We've been there already. So I think we're still ahead.
Then why is it going to take another 12 years to get back?
<snip>
John Larkin
Why go back? There's nothing very interesting happening on the moon.
John
Jim Thompson
Don't we want to observe the effects of global warming ?:-)
Rich Grise
>
> Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
Of course! It's newer! ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
qrk
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
>They did a spacewalk too.
>US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>
>Both will aim for the moon.
>
>My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>
>It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>
>Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
Notice how the Chinese space program advanced in the past decade?
China got a big boost from the US (thanks to Clinton) which gave them
analysis on their failures. When this news hit the streets, it was
quickly silenced by the Monica thing. Easy to dupe the 'merican pulic.
TheM
They got big boost from Russians rather than US.
Well, US provides the money by buying chinese crap,
Russians provide the technology.
Sure, they launched the Monica thing just to silence that.
Put your tinfoil hat back on :)
M
Jon Slaughter
"TheM" <DontNe...@test.com> wrote in message
news:oF9Ek.3496$x84....@news.siol.net...
Um how many people were caught selling our secrets or infiltrating our
government to/for china?
I guess for chinese it's easier for them to steal it then come up with it on
their own?
TheM
>> Sure, they launched the Monica thing just to silence that.
>> Put your tinfoil hat back on :)
>>
>
> Um how many people were caught selling our secrets or infiltrating our government to/for china?
>
> I guess for chinese it's easier for them to steal it then come up with it on their own?
That might be, but Monica thing... come on.
M
krw
sent to the cited author.]
In article <njs1e4pbhlqkm79il...@4ax.com>, To-Email-
Use-The-En...@My-Web-Site.com says...
>
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:17:34 -0700, John Larkin
> <jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:41:18 +1000, The Real Andy
> ><there...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:32:30 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
> >><pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
> >>>> They did a spacewalk too.
> >>>> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
> >>>>
> >>>> Both will aim for the moon.
> >>>
> >>>We've been there already. So I think we're still ahead.
> >>
> >>Then why is it going to take another 12 years to get back?
> >>
> >><snip>
> >
> >Why go back? There's nothing very interesting happening on the moon.
> >
> >John
> >
>
> Don't we want to observe the effects of global warming ?:-)
Send Slowman. He can observe.
--
Keith
krw
sent to the cited author.]
In article <a3c1e4t778t1hc4io...@4ax.com>,
there...@nospam.com says...
Because no one is really that interested in doing it. NASA needs
something to do though.
--
Keith
Jim Thompson
Without a space-suit ?:-)
...Jim Thompson
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The difference between a horse's asshole & Bill Sloman's mouth?
Lipstick!
I'll leave it to your imagination which orifice has the lipstick!
Now ignore the dumb-fuck shit-headed leftist weenie-bastard LIAR!
bill....@ieee.org
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:29:44 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>
>
>
>
>
> <dirk.bru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >John Larkin wrote:
> >> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:53:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>
> >>> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
> >>> They did a spacewalk too.
> >>> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>
> >>> Both will aim for the moon.
>
>
> >>> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>
> >> valuable. And nowadays, with so much technology behind us, neither is
> >> especially difficult; all it takes is a heap of money.
>
>
> gold asteriod wouldn't be worth the energy it would take to exploit
> it.
Lots of asteroids are solid lumps of nickel-iron. It wouldn't be all
that expensive to drop them on some Chinese desert, and cheaper
enough ship them from there to Chinese factory - at the moment the
Chinese are paying a lot of money to import iron ore from Australia.
> And it sure wouldn't make sense to send up people to do it.
Why not? You've got robots that would do the job?
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
JosephKK
<dirk....@gmail.com> wrote:
>John Larkin wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:53:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
>>> They did a spacewalk too.
>>> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>>>
>>> Both will aim for the moon.
>>>
>>> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>>>
>>> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>>>
>>
>> Neither space walks, no putting men on the moon, is inherently
>> valuable. And nowadays, with so much technology behind us, neither is
>> especially difficult; all it takes is a heap of money.
>
>What might well be inherently valuable is doing a bit of asteroid mining.
Maybe, there is a shitpot of delta V involved.
JosephKK
Why would the physics that determine ore / mineral distributions and
chemical compositions on earth not apply to the asteroids?
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Perhaps not too bad with some large solar sails and an investment return
over a longer period than the first quarter.
--
Dirk
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JosephKK
<spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:13:00 -0400, the renowned T
><kd1s....@cox.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <gbnuou$6dd$1...@aioe.org>, pNaonSt...@yahoo.com says...
>>> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
>>> They did a spacewalk too.
>>> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>>>
>>> Both will aim for the moon.
>>>
>>> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>>>
>>> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>>>
>>> Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
>>>
>>
>>Yeah but the U.S. did manage to safely land men on the moon and "return
>>them safely to earth..."
>>
>>The Chinese have a way to go before they accomplish that, even the
>>Russians didn't manage to do it. But the U.S. will always have the
>>distinction of having done it first.
>>
>>As for it being a perfect mission, good for them. The fact their
>>electronics worked mean they're using western technology.
>
>The entire US economy is based on stacked-up 1900-year-old Chinese
>technology invented by a eunuch named Cai Lun.
>
>
>Best regards,
>Spehro Pefhany
An extraordinary claim, please provide extraordinary backup.
Spehro Pefhany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cai_Lun
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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SoothSayer
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:17:34 -0700, John Larkin
><jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:41:18 +1000, The Real Andy
>><there...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:32:30 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
>>><pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
>>>>> They did a spacewalk too.
>>>>> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Both will aim for the moon.
>>>>
>>>>We've been there already. So I think we're still ahead.
>>>
>>>Then why is it going to take another 12 years to get back?
>>>
>>><snip>
>>
>>Why go back? There's nothing very interesting happening on the moon.
>>
>>John
>>
>
>Don't we want to observe the effects of global warming ?:-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
One of the biggest man based contributors is South American
deforestation. Mainly because they kill Oxygenating plants at the same
time they are killing CO2 consumers... those same plants.
Bill Sloman
"JosephKK" <quiett...@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
news:nlbie45piv3n6fvdf...@4ax.com...
> chemical compositions on earth not apply to the asteroids?
The asteroids haven't clumped together to form an earth-sized mass, which
means that their gravitational potential energy hasn't been converted to
enough heat to melt them, and the heat released by ratioactive decay can
dissipate more or less directly to space, rather than having to diffuse
through some thousand miles of rock before it can radiate to space, so
asteroids don't have a molten nickel-iron core with a crust of silicate
minerals floaing on it surface,
The absence of an earth-sized gravitational field means that asteroids don't
have atmospheres, oceans, erosion by running water and sedimentary rocks.
The physical laws operating in both environments are the same, but the
different phyiscal enviroments will dictate different distributions of
minerals.
You did ask.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Rich Grise
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:29:44 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>>> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:53:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>>>
>>>> They did a spacewalk too.
>>>> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>>>>
>>>> Both will aim for the moon.
>>>>
>>>> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>>>>
>>>> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>>>
>>> Neither space walks, no putting men on the moon, is inherently
>>> valuable. And nowadays, with so much technology behind us, neither is
>>> especially difficult; all it takes is a heap of money.
>>
>>What might well be inherently valuable is doing a bit of asteroid mining.
>
> Maybe, there is a shitpot of delta V involved.
I read somewhere that it'd be cheaper to mine the rings of Saturn. The guy
was specifically talking about a fairly big chunk of ice, and just drop it
on Mars, to give it an atmosphere. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Ben Bradley
<dirk....@gmail.com> wrote:
>JosephKK wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:29:44 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>> <dirk....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:53:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>>>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Chinese astronauts returned safely some hours ago.
>>>>> They did a spacewalk too.
>>>>> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Both will aim for the moon.
>>>>>
>>>>> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>>>>>
>>>>> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>>>>>
>>>> Neither space walks, no putting men on the moon, is inherently
>>>> valuable. And nowadays, with so much technology behind us, neither is
>>>> especially difficult; all it takes is a heap of money.
>>> What might well be inherently valuable is doing a bit of asteroid mining.
>>
>> Maybe, there is a shitpot of delta V involved.
>
>Perhaps not too bad with some large solar sails and an investment return
>over a longer period than the first quarter.
Solar sails to move asteroids around? First quarter what? Quarter
century? ;)
mrda...@gmail.com
....
> >>Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
>
> >Lots of Chinese stuff "looks" good.
>
> >http://poligazette.com/2008/09/26/china-fakes-space-report/
>
> >John
>
> Well, they have to manage zillions of people,
> give them some goal.
A terawatt of solar panels in the desert would be nice.
Michael
Rich Grise
> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:34:46 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>>> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:29:44 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>>>>> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:53:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>>>>>
>>>>>> They did a spacewalk too.
>>>>>> US has not been doing anything else then space walking around the ISS the last few years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both will aim for the moon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My congratulations to China, followed the whole thing live on CCTV9 (Hotbird) via satellite).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was a perfect mission, their electronics works too :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>> Neither space walks, no putting men on the moon, is inherently
>>>>> valuable. And nowadays, with so much technology behind us, neither is
>>>>> especially difficult; all it takes is a heap of money.
>>>> What might well be inherently valuable is doing a bit of asteroid mining.
>>>
>>> Maybe, there is a shitpot of delta V involved.
>>
>>Perhaps not too bad with some large solar sails and an investment return
>>over a longer period than the first quarter.
>
> Solar sails to move asteroids around? First quarter what? Quarter
> century? ;)
Instead of just sails, how about a parabolic reflector focused on the
'stroid, pointing in a direction such that when the rock melts and
starts outgassing, or actually boils, that the stuff that shoots out
makes the rock a little rocket motor. You'd probably get more thrust
that way than just with sails. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Rich Grise
> On Sep 28, 11:14 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> >>Their mission control looks better then NASA's.
>>
>> >Lots of Chinese stuff "looks" good.
>>
>> >http://poligazette.com/2008/09/26/china-fakes-space-report/
>>
>> give them some goal.
>
> A terawatt of solar panels in the desert would be nice.
>
get them?
Thanks,
Rich
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Not that much, maybe around 2 to 3 terabucks.
About the cost of an Iraq war plus a capitalism bailout.
Both money well spent eh? Better than wasted on industry with something
to show for it afterwards.
TheM
> Not that much, maybe around 2 to 3 terabucks.
> About the cost of an Iraq war plus a capitalism bailout.
> Both money well spent eh? Better than wasted on industry with something to show for it afterwards.
>
> --
> Dirk
Yeah, you could show those endless fields of PV to the collateral, resulting starving
unemployed millions; that would be something to show for it.
M
Jan Panteltje
<DontNe...@test.com> wrote in <wLuHk.4488$x84.1...@news.siol.net>:
If you could use electricity to make clean water and food,
and water is simple, my air de-humifier makes clear water,
there are better ways too, and food, and the rest of the electricity to
run the FED money printing presses, mmm
I did think some days ago, maybe USA should be changed to USSA
United Socialist States of America.
I find it really funny times: first he robs you of your freedom and privacy by
reading your emails, then he robs you of your money with high oil prices and
sends it to Saudi Arabia, then he robs you of your life savings by forcing
a panic in the markets, and he bought all that with a small tax cut,
and now he robs you of the taxes you payed and gives it to the banks.
I know many in the USA cannot read and write, but getting ripped that way makes
you wonder about their other capabilities too.
Every living soul in the US now has a > 30000 $ debt.
ahum
LOL
Did you see how volatile gold is these days? Up 30% one day down 20% the other.
And what has really changed? Nothing.
Bush is just doing his panic thing, same as after 9/11, why not lock him
up? that would stabilise the world.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
And your solution is that when greedy bankers screw up - give them
*your* money? that'll teach 'em...
The Great Attractor
First we Annex Mexico as a series of new states. Then we put them
there, built and operated by Mexicans, and even helping the "grid" in
Mex-ica! as well as Amer-ica! :-)
There are new solar panel films in the works as we speak. More
efficient, so actually cheaper on a per watt basis. It's getting better
all the time...
Will it all matter after (maybe before) 12-21-2012?
It's a Mayan World! "They're BACK!"
Hahahahha!
JosephKK
Try working on the physics a bit so that the ejecta does not destroy
the solar focusing reflector.
TheM
> TheM wrote:
>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk....@gmail.com> wrote in message news:6l7akfF...@mid.individual.net...
>>> Not that much, maybe around 2 to 3 terabucks.
>>> About the cost of an Iraq war plus a capitalism bailout.
>>> Both money well spent eh? Better than wasted on industry with something to show for it afterwards.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dirk
>>
>> Yeah, you could show those endless fields of PV to the collateral, resulting starving
>> unemployed millions; that would be something to show for it.
>
> And your solution is that when greedy bankers screw up - give them *your* money? that'll teach 'em...
>
> --
> Dirk
No, but don't replace one idiocy with another either.
The way things are screwed up right now you really don't have much choice.
Iceland privatized its banks couple years back... now they're all in government
hands again.
M
TheM
Its not quite as bad, I think the US will pull out of this, possibly before Europe does.
But US is definitely loosing its primacy. Clear signs are there for a while now.
Remember, roman empire did not just dissapear over night, it took some time.
M
StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Every living soul in the US now has a > 30000 $ debt.
Uh... no.
Jan Panteltje
StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt <Zarat...@thusspoke.org> wrote in
<5apve4p9p8lgmke15...@4ax.com>:
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
each citizen's share of this debt is $33,689.46.