Hamas & Israel
Jim Thompson
figure Fathi Hammad said...
I think an Israeli version of Sherman's march to the sea will "cure"
that feeling ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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bule...@columbus.rr.com
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>
> I think an Israeli version of Sherman's march to the sea will "cure"
> that feeling ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Won't work. It would only take the Israeli army about 35 minutes to
march through it. No prolonged suffereing there.
PS - My wife is from Gen. Sherman's hometown and gave tours of his
childhood home. She did not discuss that too much when she lived in
Atlanta though.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
Wonder why ?:-)
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krw
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>"We will not rest until we destroy the Zionist entity," senior Hamas
>figure Fathi Hammad said...
Didn't Nizar Rayyan's say that just before:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230733129086&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
>I think an Israeli version of Sherman's march to the sea will "cure"
>that feeling ;-)
They'd better leave CNN and Wolf Blitzed off the tour bus. They're
already playing Hamas Intelligence Service.
Jim Yanik
news:93ksl45kqn4noaiq2...@4ax.com:
> "We will not rest until we destroy the Zionist entity," senior Hamas
> figure Fathi Hammad said...
>
> I think an Israeli version of Sherman's march to the sea will "cure"
> that feeling ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
yes,Hamas cannnot be negotiated with as long as they retain that part of
their Constitution.One cannot negotiate if the opposition intends to
eliminate you.
So,it's eliminate Hamas,or eliminate Israel.That's Israel's choice.
If I were Israel,I'd use a MOAB on Gaza every time they made a rocket
attack.
MOAB would detonate hidden munitions,even in deep tunnels or bunkers.
Israel has C-130's,so they could deliver MOABs easily.
I believe Israel has MOAB in their inventory.
2-3 MOABs should do the job.
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Jim Yanik
> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:02:52 -0800 (PST), bule...@columbus.rr.com
> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 2, 12:39 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
>>Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think an Israeli version of Sherman's march to the sea will "cure"
>>> that feeling ;-)
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>>Won't work. It would only take the Israeli army about 35 minutes to
>>march through it. No prolonged suffereing there.
>>
>>PS - My wife is from Gen. Sherman's hometown and gave tours of his
>>childhood home. She did not discuss that too much when she lived in
>>Atlanta though.
>
> Wonder why ?:-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Marching thru Gaza would only expose Israeli troops to needless risk.
It's a urban combat environment,armor is at great risk there. RPGs can
easily destroy armor from a top attack position.It's also tough for
Infantry to clear urban areas.
MOABs would be better.
o...@uakron.edu
>
> Where do these dopey, uninformed retards come from?
Good Schools:
The folks who cause most of the problems come from "Madrassas". In
many parts of the middle east, the best schools, if not the only
schools, are free, and ran by the local Imam. Sponsored by forces
outside the village, often outside the country. The only text used
is committing the Koran to memory, with a conservative
interpretation. In a few cases, add the political leanings of the
sponsors to the curriculum. It is a religious duty under Islam to
help education by such charity if you can. Most of the Madrassas are
good and well meaning, but a few have a distinct "other" mission.
Hamas is really popular in a lot of areas. For the price of growing
a beard, going to mosque, and putting your women in a burkha, You get
hospitals, medical care, schools, a welfare system, decent police,and
good government. Unless your selling sin, your business is left alone,
with low to moderate, taxes, if any. Hamas keeps the corruption to a
minimum and in many ways sets up a progressive government, or at least
a government that is better then the local "regime". Cross them and
get eye for a eye justice or worse.
Now you know how they recruit. Start young and offer travel and a
step up in the world. Just imagine the old soviet style "olympic
athletic program" devoted to Jihad. No TV, No radio, and no other
books. It makes it easy to breed extremists. Its been going on for
hundreds of years.
I'm trying to be fair here, most of these schools mean well and teach
the religion well. Its always the 1% who make the problems.
Steve
Bob Eld
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
> "We will not rest until we destroy the Zionist entity," senior Hamas
> figure Fathi Hammad said...
>
> I think an Israeli version of Sherman's march to the sea will "cure"
> that feeling ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Think so huh?? Not likely. Israel can never win with overwhelming military
force and certainly cannot win by trying to bomb them into oblivion or
invading their region. What is the end game and how does Israel get out?
Hamas is NOT going to roll over no matter what Israel does.
Israel's response should be more measured and should answer each rocket with
a return missile or bomb directed near the point of origin using modern
radar and GPS to locate and direct the return fire. They should forget
trying to "eliminate" Hamas with total war, it wont work.
If each rocket is answered, world opinion would not turn against Israel and
Hamas would, over time, tire of the negative results of their rocket fire.
Civilian casualties would be few and would be spread out in time reducing
the bad press that such casualties inevitably bring.
Furthermore, no one could say that Israel was using asymmetrical unwarranted
fire power against the Arabs as they do now. It is not in Israel's interest
to "march to the sea" as you put it.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
One nuke, that's all I ask ;-)
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> You'r an idiot if you think Hamas is in the right, and a bigger idiot
> if you think Israel should not respond with succinct force.
>
You asked a retorical question about how both sides get their idiots.
I explained how it happens on one side. Grow UP.
I didn't say I liked the bastards. I did try to explain how they win
hearts and minds. Go someplace there is no conflict, raise a few
Jihadis and send them in the conflict areas. Take tight control and
straighten up enough messes that most of the locals like your regime.
Recruit more youngsters that have nothing to do. Thats how you take
over if you don't have bombs and jets.
Hamas wins popularity contests by creaping in and taking over slowly.
There was no coup, they were already there. They just went after the
goverenment and took it, then confirmed it by a dubious election.
We've had to relearn that hearts and minds tactic in IRAQ.
If I were Israel, I'd not have them split into two islands. I'd go in,
learn arabic, Control my borders, smash the troublemakers at a local
level, and get both sides back to working on a day to day basis, and
by working, remember that since this mess has gotten worse (start of
intefada) Israel's economy has taken a hit from lack of its
palestinian work force.
Oh, but wait, that only took, what 200 years in Northren Ireland?
Most people there don't want the war. Knock off the troublemakers and
it goes away.
But to end it your gonna need a 3rd force to go in shooting and
establish justice? Ever read any Clancy? Yeah he is a mouthpiece
moron (a rich one though!) He, well actually his ghost author, had a
nice solution. Swiss mercenaries and your choice of Jewish, Muslim, or
Civil court if your a bad guy.
Ever read enough European history to know why its the Swiss
Steve
Jim Yanik
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:13:12 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmon...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
>>in message news:93ksl45kqn4noaiq2...@4ax.com...
>>> "We will not rest until we destroy the Zionist entity," senior Hamas
>>> figure Fathi Hammad said...
>>>
>>> I think an Israeli version of Sherman's march to the sea will "cure"
>>> that feeling ;-)
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>>Think so huh?? Not likely. Israel can never win with overwhelming
>>military force and certainly cannot win by trying to bomb them into
>>oblivion or invading their region. What is the end game and how does
>>Israel get out? Hamas is NOT going to roll over no matter what Israel
>>does.
>>
>>Israel's response should be more measured
What CRAP;It's always ISRAEL that has to have a "measured response".
NEVER Hamas or PLO.
>>and should answer each
>>rocket with a return missile or bomb directed near the point of origin
>>using modern radar and GPS to locate and direct the return fire. They
>>should forget trying to "eliminate" Hamas with total war, it wont
>>work.
sure it would.it just has to be thouough and complete war.
Not war.."ceasefire"..war.."ceasefire".
the terorists only use "ceasefires" for restocking and recovering their war
capabilities.
Note how the calls for ceasefire only happens when Hamas or PLO are getting
their asses kicked.
>>
>>If each rocket is answered, world opinion would not turn against
>>Israel and Hamas would, over time, tire of the negative results of
>>their rocket fire.
How NAIVE;Hamas intentionally launches from habited areas so they suffer
civilian casualties after an Israeli response.
Hamas DEPENDS on casualties of their own people.
they also HIDE behind their civilians,using them as "shields".
they hide weapons in hospitals and mosques,under people's homes.
>>Civilian casualties would be few and would be
>>spread out in time reducing the bad press that such casualties
>>inevitably bring.
>>
>>Furthermore, no one could say that Israel was using asymmetrical
>>unwarranted fire power against the Arabs as they do now. It is not in
>>Israel's interest to "march to the sea" as you put it.
>>
>>
>>
>
> One nuke, that's all I ask ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
I favor MOABs;nuclear bomb fallout,thermal pulse,and EMP would affect
Israel itself.
MOABs= simple,no risk to Israeli troops,terrific shock and awe.
THAT is what Hamas/Gaza needs to experience;war so bad they WANT to sue for
peace.
Israel can reserve their nukes for the big wars.
Bob Eld
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and
> >Hamas would,
>
>
> Israel targets Hamas and fires. How is that hard to understand, dipshit?
>
> The current "world opinion" has been propagandized by stupid retarded
> fucks like you.
My such a rant! Here's what's going to happen: The war will go on for a few
more days or weeks, Israel will take casualties as they launch their ground
offensive. Israel will turn tail and leave at some point. Hamas will
continue firing rockets even as Israel leaves. There will be some sort of
cease fire brokered by us or the French. Hamas will still be there but will
promise to not fire rockets under the cease fire but after a year or so will
start firing again.
Now, smart ass, how much money do you want to put up that the scenario will
NOT be something close to that?
Israel only won when they fought organized state militaries as they did
during the six day war when they took out the Egyptian and Syrian air
forces. They NEVER win taking on guerillas with small arms and rockets with
"infinite" support from Iran, Syria and other Arab powers. In fact, Mr.
smart ass every time you fill up your gas tank YOU, yes YOU are indirectly
supporting Hamas, the Taliban, Al Qaeda and other Arab terrorist groups with
oil money that trickles through the Arab world. Where do you think the
rockets come from???
Bob Eld
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
Yes, well that would certainly do it at least until Pakistan or some other
nuclear country decided that they didn't like the response.
So, basically you saying that several hundred pip-squeak rockets with a
range of a few miles that have managed to kill less than ten people should
be answered with a nuclear weapon...nice!
Bob Eld
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I guarantee you that they don't make the rockets out of camel shit!
o...@uakron.edu
<FatBytest...@somewheronyourharddrive.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:07:43 -0800 (PST), o...@uakron.edu wrote:
> >You asked a retorical question about how both sides get their idiots.
> >I explained how it happens on one side. Grow UP.
>
> peaceful, beneficial faction, which they are not, in any way. Obviously.
Where the hell did I say Hamas is beneficial? They make it look
beneficial to the locals. Otherwise the next door militia with AK47s
would knock them off.
Israel's actions with counter battery fire and picking off the bad
guys one by one with intelligence data is correct. Expected lifetime
of a hamas senior leader in Palestine is ziltch right now.
All a moab is gonna do is make more bad memories and gain recruits
for the bad guys. . Right now Israel supplies the food, water,
electricity and medicine that keeps the Palestinians going.
Moab is for battle of Stalingrad type thinking.
Stop thinking Kings and Battles, there is a hell of a lot of more
variables then that.
The nuke problem is this, if Israel launches a nuke, the prevailing
winds take the fallout to Jordan. Israels water supply is mainly from
Jordan. So JTs obvious idea is to use one Nuke to get both sides.
Israel's solution is to go in, establish schools and a economy and
put the Palestinians back to work. In the period after Arafat, with
people talking, things almost worked out, Hamas hardliners moved in
after they lost lebanon and lost Arafat.
Hearts and Minds, Hearts and Minds.
The Israeli people are descendants of one holocaust, they have shown
remarkable resolve in not starting another.
Go look up the word "dhimmi", its how a true Muslim must treat
Christians and Jews who pose him/her no harm.
You might be shocked what that means. Goes all the way back to the
second Caliphate.
Islamic law demands that Muslims treat Jews and Christians as dhimmis,
protected citizens who have a number of rights.
Steve
krw
<OneBi...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
>On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:52:22 -0800 (PST), o...@uakron.edu wrote:
>
>> Stop thinking Kings and Battles, there is a hell of a lot of more
>>variables then that.
>
>
> That is what the 'evacuation warning flyers' are for. Get the hell
>out, unless you want to be considered a hostile!
I suppose you tell the roaches to move next door temproarily when you
spray your mobile home, too Dimbilb.
> Pretty simple shit.
From the simplest, DimBulb.
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lucky to have any working neutron bombs, which J. Carter ordered
dismantled anyways. We sure as heck don't have a production tritium
plant anymore either.
A small nuke is a conventional bomb with unusual long term side
effects. Even if we had one in inventory, the Packis is won't know or
care about the difference if it was neutron or not when they lob one
back at us for nuking the holy land. Neutron bombs are not as clean as
you might think. Its airburst EMP would be very nasty on the israeli
economy.
The way this is gonna go is Israel will make some small inroads, go
in a few miles, clean up the mess and retreat. Same thing they did in
Lebanon, which has been remarkably quiet since the Israelis helped the
Lebanese kick out most of the Syrians.
If they can get the place quieted down, the Israelis will open up
trade again, things will be quiet for a while, and the cycle will
repeat.
Either that or they could give pistols to about half the Palestinians
and let the starving ones clean up their own Hamas mess, which I doubt
the Israelis would do for humanitarian reasons. Any major mess in
Palestine, and Europe and Asia will expect Israel to take care of the
injured Palestinians. So no major carnage, chemical or bio warfare
will come from the Israelis unless they are in danger of being crushed
or they get hit badly, first.
Its like if you shot your neighbor, then had to live with the body
for the next ten years.
If the Arab world was really finished with Israel, Egypt would open
her borders, Oh wait, her government hates/fears Hamas as much as the
Israelis do. But then, they would have no one to complain about if
they did. So they won't.
Don't you ever think the Arab governments are secretly happy that all
their extreme nutcases go off and haunt Israel, Lebanon and The US in
Iraq, rather then rebel within? I do.
Moab will only go off if there is a much more serious threat, and btw,
it is so small compared to a nuke that the damage is not much more
then a flashy attention getter compared to the blasts that go off in
that place every day.
Steve
krw
<OneBi...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
> I don't have roaches, idiot. Nor do I live in a mobile home.
>
> But you have never come to bat without striking out, so I do not care
>about the crap you spew.
It is not possible for you to strike anyone out, DimBulb. You're not
even in the game Dimmie.
>>> Pretty simple shit.
>>
>>From the simplest, DimBulb.
>
> Somebody needs to drop a flyer on you. I know that you are too stupid
>to heed it.
Why don't you go back and play with your best pal, Roy?
ingvald44
timer so the perpetrators are no where near when they are fired. So such
a response will be ineffective and still raise the wrath of the media.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
Most all A-rabs are disposable ;-)
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Eeyore
o...@uakron.edu wrote:
> One of the little known things is N bombs decay in storage. We'd be
> lucky to have any working neutron bombs, which J. Carter ordered
> dismantled anyways. We sure as heck don't have a production tritium
> plant anymore either.
>
> A small nuke is a conventional bomb with unusual long term side
> effects. Even if we had one in inventory, the Packis is won't know or
> care about the difference if it was neutron or not when they lob one
> back at us for nuking the holy land. Neutron bombs are not as clean as
> you might think. Its airburst EMP would be very nasty on the israeli
> economy.
Us = Israel ?
Graham
o...@uakron.edu
Akron, Ohio.
Steve
Jim Yanik
Pakistan doesn't have any nuclear missiles with the range to reach Israel.
They are currently the only Muslim country with nuclear weapons.
(until Iran finishes their program...)
No other country is going to go to nuclear war over Gaza.
Israel does have nuclear weapons,although they too are short on range.
They have subs with nuclear cruise missiles,but the subs are diesels,and
short-ranged.
>>
>>So, basically you saying that several hundred pip-squeak rockets with
>>a range of a few miles that have managed to kill less than ten people
>>should be answered with a nuclear weapon...nice!
well,pull on a tiger's tail,and you aren't going to get a "proportionate
response" from the tiger.Start a war,and the response you get doesn't HAVE
to be "proportionate".
Some people are just plain FOOLS.
>>
>
> Most all A-rabs are disposable ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
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Bob Eld
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You have a point. But if the response was instantaneous, obviously computer
controlled with in milliseconds and if the return fire were massive say a
500Kg or larger per-charge it should have a definite deterrent effect over
time plus it can take out the launchers if not the operators. Yes it will
kill civilians but so what, it's a matter of how many and how much press
there is, not much in Gaza.
The media would not have their cameras on the return fire anymore than they
now have on the rocket fire which is nil. The rockets have been coming out
of Gaza for some time and nobody outside of Israel paid much attention to
it. Why would they pay attention to one on one return fire? Furthermore even
if they did, Israel would have much more justification than the massive
asymmetrical war they now wage. Their present massive response is going to
do Israel no good.
Jasen Betts
>
> "Bob Eld" <nsmon...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> Israel only won when they fought organized state militaries as they did
>> during the six day war when they took out the Egyptian and Syrian air
>> forces. They NEVER win taking on guerillas with small arms and rockets
> with
>> "infinite" support from Iran, Syria and other Arab powers. In fact, Mr.
>> smart ass every time you fill up your gas tank YOU, yes YOU are indirectly
>> supporting Hamas, the Taliban, Al Qaeda and other Arab terrorist groups
> with
>> oil money that trickles through the Arab world. Where do you think the
>> rockets come from???
>>
>
> I guarantee you that they don't make the rockets out of camel shit!
I wouldn't bet on that!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_candy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_nitrate#History_of_production
Bye :)
Bob Eld
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Cut......
>
> Pakistan doesn't have any nuclear missiles with the range to reach Israel.
> They are currently the only Muslim country with nuclear weapons.
> (until Iran finishes their program...)
> No other country is going to go to nuclear war over Gaza.
Yes and neither is Israel.
> Israel does have nuclear weapons,although they too are short on range.
> They have subs with nuclear cruise missiles,but the subs are diesels,and
> short-ranged.
>
> >>
> >>So, basically you saying that several hundred pip-squeak rockets with
> >>a range of a few miles that have managed to kill less than ten people
> >>should be answered with a nuclear weapon...nice!
>
> well,pull on a tiger's tail,and you aren't going to get a "proportionate
> response" from the tiger.Start a war,and the response you get doesn't HAVE
> to be "proportionate".
In otherwords, It's OK for Israel to act like an Animal?
> Some people are just plain FOOLS.
Yep and right now that is Israel. They cannot win this. Yes they will manage
to silence Hamas, for a time, but they will create more animosity and hatred
in the Arab world making Hamas and Hezbollah ultimately stronger than they
are now. This will not help Israel.
Virtually all experts agree that the ONLY long term solutions in the middle
east are political not military.
John Devereux
> "Jim Yanik" <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote in message
> news:Xns9B893FE89D...@74.209.136.87...
>
> Cut......
>>
>> Pakistan doesn't have any nuclear missiles with the range to reach Israel.
>> They are currently the only Muslim country with nuclear weapons.
>> (until Iran finishes their program...)
>> No other country is going to go to nuclear war over Gaza.
>
> Yes and neither is Israel.
>
>
>> Israel does have nuclear weapons,although they too are short on range.
>> They have subs with nuclear cruise missiles,but the subs are diesels,and
>> short-ranged.
>>
>> >>
>> >>So, basically you saying that several hundred pip-squeak rockets with
>> >>a range of a few miles that have managed to kill less than ten people
>> >>should be answered with a nuclear weapon...nice!
>>
>> well,pull on a tiger's tail,and you aren't going to get a "proportionate
>> response" from the tiger.Start a war,and the response you get doesn't HAVE
>> to be "proportionate".
>
> In otherwords, It's OK for Israel to act like an Animal?
>
>> Some people are just plain FOOLS.
>
> Yep and right now that is Israel. They cannot win this. Yes they will manage
> to silence Hamas, for a time, but they will create more animosity and hatred
> in the Arab world making Hamas and Hezbollah ultimately stronger than they
> are now. This will not help Israel.
This is always the real purpose of terrorism as I see it. To provoke a
disproportionate response from the state - one severe enough to enrage
the rest of the otherwise uncommited or uncaring population.
So then you can recruit more terrorists - provoking an even stronger
response. Eventually there are enough to form a real "army"; they can
take over and become the government.
(I find it strange that nobody seems to mention this aspect)
> Virtually all experts agree that the ONLY long term solutions in the middle
> east are political not military.
--
John Devereux
Jim Thompson
Israel understands your argument. The simplest solution is to move
all "Palestinians" (as if there really was ever such a thing) out of
Gaza, and reclaim Gaza as a part of Israel.
>> Virtually all experts agree that the ONLY long term solutions in the middle
>> east are political not military.
You can't make a political agreement with terrorists, particularly
those that profess that you must die as part of the agreement. But
wait until "whining Obama" comes to power :-(
Personally, I'd napalm the whole f...ing place. But then I'm just a
simple country boy... START a fight and shoot at me and you'll die...
and then I'll come for your children ;-)
My father's admonition was always, "Never start a fight, but always
finish one". Otherwise I'd get a whipping when I came home ;-)
Real story:
Town bully hit me in the back of the head (*) with a rock, then ran. I
chased him home. We were both running so fast that, when he slowed as
he ran up the steps to his house, I caught him by the shoulders. the
push sent him through the front window of his house.
His mother had the gall to call my father and demand that he pay for
the window. He laughed, told her to go to hell, and hung up ;-)
(*) Left a permanent knot that calcified over time, ultimately
becoming a nasty cyst, and was finally surgically removed just a few
years ago... some 50 years after the incident ;-)
BTW, Town bully died in prison courtesy of a well-placed shiv ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Jim Yanik
news:87tz8f3...@cordelia.devereux.me.uk:
it's hard to negotiate with someone who's basic tenet is the destruction of
YOU. It's in Hamas charter that Israel must be destroyed.
OTOH,Israel -could- live with Hamas if Hamas stopped attacking them.
They've tried.
SO,HOW can there be any "political" solution?
Besides,war IS a political solution.
You fight until one side gives up,or is eliminated.
that "virtually all experts" phrease is nonsense.
--
JosephKK
<snip>
> The Israeli people are descendants of one holocaust, they have shown
>remarkable resolve in not starting another.
>
> Go look up the word "dhimmi", its how a true Muslim must treat
>Christians and Jews who pose him/her no harm.
>
>You might be shocked what that means. Goes all the way back to the
>second Caliphate.
>
>Islamic law demands that Muslims treat Jews and Christians as dhimmis,
>protected citizens who have a number of rights.
>
> Steve
>
You are using only one definition for dhimmi, there are more:
The magnitude of the differences is telling.
JosephKK
>Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>news:qe8vl41nijcq3po4s...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:13:12 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmon...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
>>>in message news:93ksl45kqn4noaiq2...@4ax.com...
>>>> "We will not rest until we destroy the Zionist entity," senior Hamas
>>>> figure Fathi Hammad said...
>>>>
>>>> I think an Israeli version of Sherman's march to the sea will "cure"
>>>> that feeling ;-)
>>>>
>>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>>
>>>Think so huh?? Not likely. Israel can never win with overwhelming
>>>military force and certainly cannot win by trying to bomb them into
>>>oblivion or invading their region. What is the end game and how does
>>>Israel get out? Hamas is NOT going to roll over no matter what Israel
>>>does.
>>>
>>>Israel's response should be more measured
>
>What CRAP;It's always ISRAEL that has to have a "measured response".
>NEVER Hamas or PLO.
>
>>>and should answer each
>>>rocket with a return missile or bomb directed near the point of origin
>>>using modern radar and GPS to locate and direct the return fire. They
>>>should forget trying to "eliminate" Hamas with total war, it wont
>>>work.
>
>sure it would.it just has to be thouough and complete war.
>Not war.."ceasefire"..war.."ceasefire".
>the terorists only use "ceasefires" for restocking and recovering their war
>capabilities.
>
>Note how the calls for ceasefire only happens when Hamas or PLO are getting
>their asses kicked.
>
>>>
>>>If each rocket is answered, world opinion would not turn against
>>>Israel and Hamas would, over time, tire of the negative results of
>>>their rocket fire.
>
>How NAIVE;Hamas intentionally launches from habited areas so they suffer
>civilian casualties after an Israeli response.
>Hamas DEPENDS on casualties of their own people.
>they also HIDE behind their civilians,using them as "shields".
>they hide weapons in hospitals and mosques,under people's homes.
>
>>>Civilian casualties would be few and would be
>>>spread out in time reducing the bad press that such casualties
>>>inevitably bring.
>>>
>>>Furthermore, no one could say that Israel was using asymmetrical
>>>unwarranted fire power against the Arabs as they do now. It is not in
>>>Israel's interest to "march to the sea" as you put it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> One nuke, that's all I ask ;-)
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
>I favor MOABs;nuclear bomb fallout,thermal pulse,and EMP would affect
>Israel itself.
>MOABs= simple,no risk to Israeli troops,terrific shock and awe.
>THAT is what Hamas/Gaza needs to experience;war so bad they WANT to sue for
>peace.
>
>Israel can reserve their nukes for the big wars.
Naw, a few big bombs is short of any answer. Bomb the Gaza until the
very soil is churned again and again. No buildings, plants, or
animals left; scorched earth. Then let people in, but it is part of
Israel now and forever.
JosephKK
I am disappointed to find out that you are such a racist.
JosephKK
<jo...@devereux.me.uk> wrote:
Especially after both Hamas and the PLO did just that. Who's next?
The Tamil tigers?
krw
Jim Thompson
wrote:
[snip]
>
>Naw, a few big bombs is short of any answer. Bomb the Gaza until the
>very soil is churned again and again. No buildings, plants, or
>animals left; scorched earth. Then let people in, but it is part of
>Israel now and forever.
>
There ya' go! The proper solution ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Jim Thompson
wrote:
Except that I'm not. Terrorists have no rights to this earth. I
suppose you are of the type that, if I said the same thing about
NAZI's, you'd call me a racist ??
John Devereux
> On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:11:33 -0800, JosephKK <quiett...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:13:22 -0700, Jim Thompson
>><To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
[...]
>>>Most all A-rabs are disposable ;-)
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>>I am disappointed to find out that you are such a racist.
>>
>
> Except that I'm not.
It is pretty much the definition of racism, to assume that all members
of a race share some negative characteristic.
Having said that, it seems to me that by actually *electing* Hamas -
an organisation unashamedly dedicated to the destruction of another
country AIUI - the people of Gaza have brought this upon themselves.
In this case, assuming the elections were representative, the country
can indeed be seen as a "terrorist" one.
> Terrorists have no rights to this earth. I
> suppose you are of the type that, if I said the same thing about
> NAZI's, you'd call me a racist ??
It's more like you said "all Germans are Nazis".
--
John Devereux
Jim Thompson
The problem is that all Arabs are Muslims. No matter how you try to
leftist-weenie sidestep that... read their "bible", it's very clear...
all of us non-Muslims and atheists are supposed to be killed.
...Jim Thompson
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John Devereux
I guess that is true, more or less. Like everyone in the "West" had to
be Christian, a few hundred years ago.
> No matter how you try to leftist-weenie sidestep that... read their
> "bible", it's very clear... all of us non-Muslims and atheists are
> supposed to be killed.
I don't believe that is any more fundamental to Muslims than to
xtians. (I'm sure there will be something similar in the Christian
Bible). There are moderate Muslims, I don't know enough about it to
say what proportion. I think the problem is that the Arab culture does
not seem to have yet developed past the stage the "west" was in a few
hundred years ago, religious-tolerance-wise. The Crusades, the
Inquisition etc.
--
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Jim Thompson
<jo...@devereux.me.uk> wrote:
But there isn't, at least in the New Testament... though I'm certainly
no expert ;-)
>There are moderate Muslims,
That's a good tale... however they are pathetically silent (at least
in the USA), NEVER speaking out against atrocities.
>I don't know enough about it to
>say what proportion. I think the problem is that the Arab culture does
>not seem to have yet developed past the stage the "west" was in a few
>hundred years ago, religious-tolerance-wise. The Crusades, the
>Inquisition etc.
I sometimes think another Crusades is in order ;-)
Jim Yanik
> The problem is that all Arabs are Muslims. No matter how you try to
> leftist-weenie sidestep that... read their "bible", it's very clear...
> all of us non-Muslims and atheists are supposed to be killed.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
there are some non-Muslim Arabs in Lebanon,Coptic Christians in Egypt,Bahai
in Iran(Persians?) Greek Orthodox are supposed to be protected,because they
helped Muhammed long ago.
All persecuted by Muslims,though.
BTW,-INFIDELS-(non-believers,atheists) are to be killed,"People of the
Book" must SUBMIT and pay the Jizya or be killed,if you're Jewish,then
you're a deader.
Jim Thompson
That concerns me, particularly now that I have a Jewish grandchild.
And it, quite frankly, pisses me off that American Muslims stand
silent, even when directly questioned.
I think they are chicken, fearing their own kind.
I will remind them that, in WWII, American Germans and Japanese were
rounded up to "enjoy" the camps of Yuma.
In WWIII guess who we'll be rounding up? Oooops, forgot, we now have
Obama "the-appeaser" as President.
Guess we'll have a shooting war on our own soil :-(
...Jim Thompson
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Think things are bad now? Wait until Obama "takes care" of you.
John Devereux
> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:35:51 +0000, John Devereux
> <jo...@devereux.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>>
[...]
>>
>>> No matter how you try to leftist-weenie sidestep that... read their
>>> "bible", it's very clear... all of us non-Muslims and atheists are
>>> supposed to be killed.
>>
>>I don't believe that is any more fundamental to Muslims than to
>>xtians. (I'm sure there will be something similar in the Christian
>>Bible).
>
> But there isn't, at least in the New Testament... though I'm certainly
> no expert ;-)
Yeah, well of course the new testament is all love and peace,
IIRC. But the old one is a bit more "fundamentalist".
<http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html>
>>There are moderate Muslims,
>
> That's a good tale... however they are pathetically silent (at least
> in the USA), NEVER speaking out against atrocities.
>
>>I don't know enough about it to
>>say what proportion. I think the problem is that the Arab culture does
>>not seem to have yet developed past the stage the "west" was in a few
>>hundred years ago, religious-tolerance-wise. The Crusades, the
>>Inquisition etc.
>
> I sometimes think another Crusades is in order ;-)
That appears to be well in hand...
--
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Jim Thompson
<jo...@devereux.me.uk> wrote:
>Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:35:51 +0000, John Devereux
>> <jo...@devereux.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>>>
>
>[...]
>
>>>
>>>> No matter how you try to leftist-weenie sidestep that... read their
>>>> "bible", it's very clear... all of us non-Muslims and atheists are
>>>> supposed to be killed.
>>>
>>>I don't believe that is any more fundamental to Muslims than to
>>>xtians. (I'm sure there will be something similar in the Christian
>>>Bible).
>>
>> But there isn't, at least in the New Testament... though I'm certainly
>> no expert ;-)
>
>Yeah, well of course the new testament is all love and peace,
>IIRC. But the old one is a bit more "fundamentalist".
><http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html>
Well! I AM and eye-for-an-eye and a tooth-for-a-tooth kind of guy...
like you didn't know ;-)
But that's standard old-style country boy raising.
>
>>>There are moderate Muslims,
>>
>> That's a good tale... however they are pathetically silent (at least
>> in the USA), NEVER speaking out against atrocities.
>>
>>>I don't know enough about it to
>>>say what proportion. I think the problem is that the Arab culture does
>>>not seem to have yet developed past the stage the "west" was in a few
>>>hundred years ago, religious-tolerance-wise. The Crusades, the
>>>Inquisition etc.
>>
>> I sometimes think another Crusades is in order ;-)
>
>That appears to be well in hand...
...Jim Thompson
warm'n'flat
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>"We will not rest until we destroy the Zionist entity," senior Hamas
>figure Fathi Hammad said...
>
>I think an Israeli version of Sherman's march to the sea will "cure"
>that feeling ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
No need to worry. God is on Israel's side. :-)
warm'n'flat
Sorry. Forgot to include Uncle Sam.
Jim Thompson
<warm'n'fl...@rabbit.com.au> wrote:
Is there a "god" ?:-)
bule...@columbus.rr.com
Web->
> Is there a "god" ?:-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Sure there is.
Jim Thompson
JosephKK
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
Perhaps, if you had expressed as poorly as you did about the Arab
terrorists. If i had my way, each terrorist that we caught would be
wrapped in pigskin and then boiled in oil (or equivalent). Including
Timothy McViegh and Charles Manson.
JosephKK
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
I happen to have a copy of the quran handy, now where does it say
that?
Rich the Philosophizer
> On Jan 7, 10:30 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
> Web->
>> Is there a "god" ?:-)
>
Problem is, almost everybody denies her existence.
Thanks,
Rich
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Jim Thompson
wrote:
Someone has already quoted that, chapter and verse.
John Devereux
Where though? The wiki page on "Criticisms of the quran" does't seem
to have anything like that. Certainly no worse that the worst of the
Christian Bible.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Qur%27an#Christians_and_Jews_in_the_Qur.27an>
Is it actually distinguisable from Christianity?
"Those who believe, the Jews, Christians and Sabians - any who believe
in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their
reward with their Lord. They need not fear, nor shall they grieve"
Don't get me wrong, I despise religious fundamentalism. And outfits
like the Taliban in particular. But from the (little) I have read I
don't see that the actual general Muslim faith is particulary worse
than any other. You can get barbaric behaviour from the adherents of
any religion (or none).
--
John Devereux
Jim Thompson
<jo...@devereux.me.uk> wrote:
Someone posted here a direct quotation from the Qur'an _specifically_
requiring killing anyone who would not convert.
I would not quote Wikipedia as a reliable reference.
John Devereux
This looks like a better reference, with links to the original (it's
part of that "skeptics annotated bible" site I posted before - the
"quran" part:
<http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/Quran/int/long.html>
Heres one for you
"Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then
kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in
their unbelief, then don't kill them.)"
<http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/Quran/2/index.htm#191>
But follow the link to the source and you see it is *preceded* by
"Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but
begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors."
Do you not think you could find the same stuff in the Bible?
--
John Devereux
Jim Thompson
<jo...@devereux.me.uk> wrote:
Possibly in the Old Testament. I'm a disinterested observer, at least
as long as someone isn't trying to proselytize me ;-)
Jasen Betts
>>This looks like a better reference, with links to the original (it's
>>part of that "skeptics annotated bible" site I posted before - the
>>"quran" part:
>>
>><http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/Quran/int/long.html>
>>
>>Heres one for you
>>
>>"Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then
>>kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in
>>their unbelief, then don't kill them.)"
>>
>><http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/Quran/2/index.htm#191>
>>
>>But follow the link to the source and you see it is *preceded* by
>>
>>"Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but
>>begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors."
>>
>>Do you not think you could find the same stuff in the Bible?
>
> Possibly in the Old Testament. I'm a disinterested observer, at least
> as long as someone isn't trying to proselytize me ;-)
You'll find much worse than that in the old testament.
The god of the Jews has on occasion commanded genocide.
bule...@columbus.rr.com
>
> Problem is, almost everybody denies her existence.
>
> Thanks,
> Rich
I think you are living in denial there.
JosephKK
<jo...@devereux.me.uk> wrote:
Something over 500 items, none of which directs the faithful to kill
non-believers.
>
>Heres one for you
>
>"Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then
>kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in
>their unbelief, then don't kill them.)"
>
><http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/Quran/2/index.htm#191>
Please, note that my hardbound version is similar:
2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the
places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than
slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship
until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then
slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.น
The above from your link!
And as indicated (below), the immediately preceding paragraph:
2:190 Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you,
but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.
Context matters.
>
>But follow the link to the source and you see it is *preceded* by
>
>"Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but
>begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors."
>
>Do you not think you could find the same stuff in the Bible?
I have many times and now use Internet searches to find it again at
will. Both Job and Lot make interesting studies, as well as does Ruth
and Ester.