The movie "Lincoln" two weeks too late

[cameo]

After seeing it, I could not get it out of my mind that its distribution
was deliberately delayed till after the election because in the movie
the Republicans were the heroes and the Dems were the bad slave holders.
Showing it before the election might have confused the Obama voters.
And Steven Spielberg wouldn't have any of it.

[Bill Sloman]

Seems reasonable. Are you suggesting the the Mitt Romney campaign team
should have bribed Steven Spielberg to persuade him to let it be
distributed before the election? Confusing the Obama voters is what
they were being paid to do - sadly for him, they weren't good enough
at it.

As Lincoln said, you can't fool all the voters all the time, though
the Tea Party has fooled more of them than is good for the USA.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[hamilton]

The teaching of American History is not what it used to be.

"..... the rhetoric that is used in the frequently volatile debate that
takes place between conservatives and liberals. As such, a frequent
retort is stating that the Democratic party, currently the party of
liberals, supported slavery while Republicans sought to end it. The
problem is, this implicates that these parties have remained static
since the time of their founding. This simply is not true."


The roles of Democrats and Republicans have changed in the past 170+ years.

The Republicans were the liberals of 1860-1900.
The Democrats were the conservatives of those same years.

http://bynaryfission.newsvine.com/_news/2009/11/02/3453250-the-ideological-shift-of-american-political-parties

hamilton

PS: I learn this is high school civics class (1970), which is no longer
taught the same way.
Maybe you should ask which party forced that to happen.

[Gib Bogle]

Devilish cunning, that Obama!

[cameo]

Actually, the Dems are still the slave holders, just they do it by
softer means than in Lincoln's time. By playing their Santa Claus and
it's hard to compete with Santa.

[k...@att.bizzz]

A cunning runt, for sure.

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 18, 3:49 pm, k...@att.bizzz wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:12:00 +1300, Gib Bogle
>

Scarcely a runt. Mitt Romney is clearly thicker, if no longer.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Rheilly Phoull]

Which of course brings to mind the very old one, "What is the difference
between a policemans baton and a magicians wand ??"




"The magicians wand is used for cunning stunts"

Rheilly

[Rich Webb]

Indeed, since it's a well known fact that "Obama voters" <wink wink> are
simple-minded folks and are easily confused by flashy stuff like that.

Also, too, this guy discussing the Republican "Southern Strategy" sounds
*just like* Abe Lincoln:

<http://www.thenation.com/article/170841/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy>

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

[miso]

It would have confused the tea baggers. It is well known they don't like
people of color.
> http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/08/03/fertile-ground-white-nationalists-organize-with/180982

I think you would be hard pressed to find any progressive that doesn't
know about the southern strategy. In fact, it was LBJ that made the
southern strategy work by pissing off the honkies in the deep south by
passing civil right legislation.

So you point is what? Abe Lincoln was a decent Republican and excluding
Eisenhower all that followed him were total douche bags? Yes, I can
agree with that. Well except that douche bag is a bit too kind of a
description.

[Jim Thompson]

I saw "Lincoln" today. Imperfect, but not bad. Spent the rest of the
afternoon at RA :-)

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

[Ms Silence Dogood]

miso <mi...@sushi.com> wrote:

> Abe Lincoln was a decent Republican and excluding
> Eisenhower all that followed him were total douche bags? Yes, I can
> agree with that. Well except that douche bag is a bit too kind of a
> description.

Abe Lincoln was a psychopath who enslaved white men and forced them
to fight and die in a war of conquest. After Lincoln's generals lost
too many battles Lincoln freed black slaves in hopes of starting an
insurrection.

Eisenhower was a psychopath, an equal opportunity slaver, who enslaved
people and forced them to fight and die in yet another war of conquest.

Nice guys do not fight wars. Wars are fought by psychopaths for the
express purpose of using violence to take things from other people.

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 19, 3:58 pm, Ms Silence Dogood <ZeroC...@Stanton.cx> wrote:

> miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
> > Abe Lincoln was a decent Republican and excluding
> > Eisenhower all that followed him were total douche bags? Yes, I can
> > agree with that. Well except that douche bag is a bit too kind of a
> > description.
>
> Abe Lincoln was a psychopath who enslaved white men and forced them
> to fight and die in a war of conquest. After Lincoln's generals lost
> too many battles Lincoln freed black slaves in hopes of starting an
> insurrection.

Lincoln wasn't directly responsible for starting the Civil War. Six of
the slave states seceded and subsequently fired on Fort Sumter, which
is to say that the initiative was taken by the Confederacy.
Admittedly, if he had less principled and more supine, the slave
states might not have seceded, but this scarcely justifies your
description.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

> Eisenhower was a psychopath, an equal opportunity slaver, who enslaved
> people and forced them to fight and die in yet another war of conquest.

He was a professional soldier; the conscription you want to
characterise as slavery was imposed by the US Congress, and the
situation that forced the US into the second world war was created by
politicians, not generals.

> Nice guys do not fight wars. Wars are fought by psychopaths for the
> express purpose of using violence to take things from other people.

Not all soldiers are psychopaths, and perfectly respectable people
fight defensive wars for perfectly respectable reasons. Once you are
stuck with a war, there's not a lot of point in fighting it like nice
guys, but that's another story.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Jim Thompson]

The USA is known as "The Land of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Wars are necessary sometimes. Only weenies avoid war by appeasement.
Obama is a weenie and, if we can't stop him, we'll soon be enslaved.

[cameo]

On 11/18/2012 3:32 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:

> I saw "Lincoln" today. Imperfect, but not bad.

I agree. Considerable amount of current politics was injected into
it that did not ring true historically.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:51:22 -0800, cameo <ca...@unreal.invalid>
wrote:

It's not the first time Steven Spielberg has rewritten history to
accommodate his agenda. In the movie "Shindler's List" it was his
anti-gun stance. He portrays the concentration camp inmates as being
totally non-violent. My parents were in those camps, and after the
Germans ran away, they armed themselves to the teeth. They noticed
plenty of other inaccuracies, but all was tolerated because the main
message of the movie was on target and fairly accurate. It's
presumably the same with Lincoln movie (which I haven't seen yet).

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 20, 2:54 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-

Web-Site.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:58:16 +0000 (UTC), Ms Silence Dogood
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> <ZeroC...@Stanton.cx> wrote:

> >miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
>
> >> Abe Lincoln was a decent Republican and excluding
> >> Eisenhower all that followed him were total douche bags? Yes, I can
> >> agree with that. Well except that douche bag is a bit too kind of a
> >> description.
>
> >Abe Lincoln was a psychopath who enslaved white men and forced them
> >to fight and die in a war of conquest. After Lincoln's generals lost
> >too many battles Lincoln freed black slaves in hopes of starting an
> >insurrection.
>
> >Eisenhower was a psychopath, an equal opportunity slaver, who enslaved
> >people and forced them to fight and die in yet another war of conquest.
>
> >Nice guys do not fight wars. Wars are fought by psychopaths for the
> >express purpose of using violence to take things from other people.
>
> The USA is known as "The Land of the Free, Because of the Brave"
>
> Wars are necessary sometimes.  Only weenies avoid war by appeasement.

Sensible people choose when and where they fight their wars.
Appeasement is one of the tools that lets them choose.

> Obama is a weenie and, if we can't stop him, we'll soon be enslaved.

He's a bit too enthusiastic about killing people with drones to
qualify as a weenie. Jim may prefer to see members of the US army
being blown up by IED's, but elected politicians are rather more
averse to this kind of bravado. A little collateral damage amongst
women and children who don't form part of the relevant electorate is
less of a problem.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:27:35 PM UTC-5, miso wrote:
> It would have confused the tea baggers. It is well known they don't like
> people of color.

That's well-known by people who don't know.

In that vein, here's a quickie on repatriating corporate funds--

Suppose you had a shovel. You want to use it, but Joe the ditch guy asks to borrow it for a year. You loan it to Joe.

A year later, he brings it back. He profited by it--did more work, faster, finished more jobs.

You, meanwhile, were out the shovel and the gain it could've brought you. So, you ask Joe for part of his added profit. You split the benefit.

You're both better off, right?

Suppose it was money instead--you loaned Joe the money for whatever it was he needed--pick, shovel, or other. It's the same. He pays you back, with interest. That's your share.

A pile of money is the same as a pile of shovels, picks, and anything else--more versatile. It benefits everyone, amplifies productivity. But, not if it's stuck overseas, hiding from double-taxation.

--
Cheers,
James Arthur

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:27:30 -0800, miso <mi...@sushi.com> wrote:

>

>It would have confused the tea baggers. It is well known they don't like
>people of color.
>> http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/08/03/fertile-ground-white-nationalists-organize-with/180982
>

[snip]

miso, I'm curious... what drives your hate? Just what _is_ your
problem?

And I'll bet you have NOT seen the movie.

[Spehro Pefhany]

Whatcha talking about? With no significant exceptions, foreign income
taxes may be credited against US taxes owing, which largely eliminates
double taxation.

Of course even single taxation is too much if you can get away with
paying less.

See the sort of shenanigans that goes on:
"Three Foreign Tax Credit Schemes are Shut Down by the IRS"

http://www.chadbourne.com/files/Publication/91009119-0b94-4e77-8fd6-6a8cd88561c4/Presentation/PublicationAttachment/6af0aa5e-849e-4231-8dc2-240d3ffb44dd/ThreeForeignTax.pdf



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
sp...@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

[Ms Silence Dogood]

Bill Sloman <bill....@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 19, 3:58?pm, Ms Silence Dogood <ZeroC...@Stanton.cx> wrote:
>> miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
>> > Abe Lincoln was a decent Republican and excluding
>> > Eisenhower all that followed him were total douche bags? Yes, I can
>> > agree with that. Well except that douche bag is a bit too kind of a
>> > description.
>>
>> Abe Lincoln was a psychopath who enslaved white men and forced them
>> to fight and die in a war of conquest. After Lincoln's generals lost
>> too many battles Lincoln freed black slaves in hopes of starting an
>> insurrection.
>
> Lincoln wasn't directly responsible for starting the Civil War. Six of
> the slave states seceded and subsequently fired on Fort Sumter, which
> is to say that the initiative was taken by the Confederacy.
> Admittedly, if he had less principled and more supine, the slave
> states might not have seceded, but this scarcely justifies your
> description.

"Lincoln's white slaves", men conscripted to "kill or be killed",
suffered the most evil form of slavery.

But, it was never really about slavery anyhow.

The nub of the problem was that the North wanted high
tariffs on imported goods to protect its own
manufactured products, while the South wanted low
tariffs on imports and exports since it exported
cotton and tobacco to Europe and imported manufactured
goods in exchange. High tariffs in effect depressed
the price for the South's agricultural exports; the
South paid high prices for what it bought and got low
prices for what it sold because of the federal tariff
policy which the South was powerless to change.
Southerners viewed themselves as being dominated by
the mercantile interests of the North who profited from
these high tariffs.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/pearlston1.html

[Jim Thompson]

You are one sick puppy.

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 20, 12:40 pm, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:27:35 PM UTC-5, miso wrote:
> > It would have confused the tea baggers. It is well known they don't like
> > people of color.
>
> That's well-known by people who don't know.

And totally unknown by people who don't want to know, on the basis
that Republicans can do no wrong.

> In that vein, here's a quickie on repatriating corporate funds--

<snipped over-simplified and irrelevant parable

> A pile of money is the same as a pile of shovels, picks, and anything else
> --more versatile.  It benefits everyone, amplifies productivity.  But, not if it's
> stuck overseas, hiding from double-taxation.

Or any taxation at all. If you want to turn the USA into a tax-haven,
you are going to have to find some other way of paying for stuff like
roads and defence. Tax havens are typically very small, with very
little infra-structure to pay for.

And US capital isn't so much hiding overseas as invested overseas,
exploiting cheaper labour than it can find at home. When it's done
it's job of building up China's economy until it can compete with the
USA on both productivity and volume, it will presumably go off to
Africa to find some more cheap labour to organise and train.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 20, 1:07 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:27:30 -0800, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
>
> >It would have confused the tea baggers. It is well known they don't like
> >people of color.

> >>http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/08/03/fertile-ground-white-national...

>
> [snip]
>
> miso, I'm curious... what drives your hate?

Jim has this bizarre idea that people who disagree with him are
motivated by hate, rather than the rather more obvious fact that he's
posting total nonsense.

> Just what _is_ your problem?

A despicable lack of the right kind of ignorance? Or should I say the
far-right kind of ignorance? But Jim's silly ideas are shared by so
many of the right wing-nuts who post here that he probably counts as a
middle of the road nitwit in the US.

But he does know an amazing number of things that ain't so.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 20, 2:11 pm, Ms Silence Dogood <ZeroC...@Stanton.cx> wrote:

> Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 19, 3:58?pm, Ms Silence Dogood <ZeroC...@Stanton.cx> wrote:
> >> miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
> >> > Abe Lincoln was a decent Republican and excluding
> >> > Eisenhower all that followed him were total douche bags? Yes, I can
> >> > agree with that. Well except that douche bag is a bit too kind of a
> >> > description.
>
> >> Abe Lincoln was a psychopath who enslaved white men and forced them
> >> to fight and die in a war of conquest. After Lincoln's generals lost
> >> too many battles Lincoln freed black slaves in hopes of starting an
> >> insurrection.
>
> > Lincoln wasn't directly responsible for starting the Civil War. Six of
> > the slave states seceded and subsequently fired on Fort Sumter, which
> > is to say that the initiative was taken by the Confederacy.
> > Admittedly, if he had less principled and more supine, the slave
> > states might not have seceded, but this scarcely justifies your
> > description.
>
> "Lincoln's white slaves", men conscripted to "kill or be killed",
> suffered the most evil form of slavery.

A minority opinion. Lincoln didn't invent conscription, and it
remained popular for quite some time.

> But, it was never really about slavery anyhow.
>
>     The nub of the problem was that the North wanted high
>     tariffs on imported goods to protect its own
>     manufactured products, while the South wanted low
>     tariffs on imports and exports since it exported
>     cotton and tobacco to Europe and imported manufactured
>     goods in exchange. High tariffs in effect depressed
>     the price for the South's agricultural exports; the
>     South paid high prices for what it bought and got low
>     prices for what it sold because of the federal tariff
>     policy which the South was powerless to change.
>     Southerners viewed themselves as being dominated by
>     the mercantile interests of the North who profited from
>     these high tariffs.

That's the problem with federations. The greatest good for the
greatest number leaves any number of minorities worse off than they
might have been. At the moment the US is being run in a way that
benefits the top 1% of the income distribution a lot more than it
benefits anybody else.

It would make more sense to get excited about that than Lincoln's
tolerance of conscription - he's been dead for a while now, while the
fat cats are always with us, and as busy as ever cornering a
disproportionate share of the cream.
James Arthur thinks that they should get more, but he's a right-wing
nitwit's right-wing nitwit.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[josephkk]

Wow, 10 sigma past LaLa land.

Utterly different from the original.

http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/courant/silencedogood.htm

?-)

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Nov 19, 9:13 pm, Spehro Pefhany <speffS...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat>
wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:40:11 -0800 (PST), the renowned
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >On Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:27:35 PM UTC-5, miso wrote:
> >> It would have confused the tea baggers. It is well known they don't like
> >> people of color.
>
> >That's well-known by people who don't know.
>
> >In that vein, here's a quickie on repatriating corporate funds--
>
> >Suppose you had a shovel.  You want to use it, but Joe the ditch guy asks to borrow it for a year.  You loan it to Joe.
>
> >A year later, he brings it back.  He profited by it--did more work, faster, finished more jobs.
>
> >You, meanwhile, were out the shovel and the gain it could've brought you.  So, you ask Joe for part of his added profit.  You split the benefit.
>
> >You're both better off, right?
>
> >Suppose it was money instead--you loaned Joe the money for whatever it was he needed--pick, shovel, or other.  It's the same.  He pays you back, with interest.  That's your share.
>
> >A pile of money is the same as a pile of shovels, picks, and anything else--more versatile.  It benefits everyone, amplifies productivity.  But, not if it's stuck overseas, hiding from double-taxation.
>
> Whatcha talking about? With no significant exceptions, foreign income
> taxes may be credited against US taxes owing, which largely eliminates
> double taxation.

I meant the money, already taxed, would, if repatriated, be subject to
additional US tax, at one of the world's highest rates. They're
added, not compounded; 'tacked on' is perhaps a better phrasing, but
awkward when trying for 'pithy'.

Repatriating adds another inefficiency. Compliance costs are
obviously incurred in 1. foreign operations, 2. US tax planning, plus
3. in reconciling the optimum strategy between the two.

But, back up out of the weeds, whatever the hit, the perverse
incentive quite obviously drives capital overseas--people go to great
lengths to do it--and directs a lot of top-notch human creativity into
totally unproductive channels.

> Of course even single taxation is too much if you can get away with
> paying less.
>
> See the sort of shenanigans that goes on:
> "Three Foreign Tax Credit Schemes are Shut Down by the IRS"
>

> http://www.chadbourne.com/files/Publication/91009119-0b94-4e77-8fd6-6...
>
> Best regards,
> Spehro Pefhany

Apple is, of course, the lodestar of tax innovation. "Think
different."

--
Cheers,
James Arthur

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Nov 20, 8:46 am, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 20, 1:07 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
>
> Web-Site.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:27:30 -0800, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
>
> > >It would have confused the tea baggers. It is well known they don't like
> > >people of color.
> > >>http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/08/03/fertile-ground-white-national...
>
> > [snip]
>
> > miso, I'm curious... what drives your hate?
>
> Jim has this bizarre idea that people who disagree with him are
> motivated by hate, rather than the rather more obvious fact that he's
> posting total nonsense.

Two examples in one post:

"Tea bagger" is the same as calling someone a "ni....er." Both are
hateful.

Calling people racist, who aren't, is hateful. And, insincere--actual
racists don't mind being called racist. The slur isn't meant for
them.

James Arthur

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Nov 20, 1:54 am, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 20, 12:40 pm, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:27:35 PM UTC-5, miso wrote:
> > > It would have confused the tea baggers. It is well known they don't like
> > > people of color.
>
> > That's well-known by people who don't know.
>
> And totally unknown by people who don't want to know, on the basis
> that Republicans can do no wrong.

I'm not a Republican, and I'm not planning on becoming one. But, I've
spoken to lots, and met few good ones who called themselves that this
last cycle. Most won.

But, I'm sure your sample is bigger and better, and that you know more
about us all than we do. As always.

--
Cheers,
James Arthur

[Jim Thompson]

On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 07:34:10 -0800 (PST), dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:

I can't decide which is more ignorant... miso or Slowman... both
certainly are "standards" >:-}

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Nov 21, 11:11 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-
My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 07:34:10 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Nov 20, 1:54 am, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 20, 12:40 pm, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >> > On Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:27:35 PM UTC-5, miso wrote:
> >> > > It would have confused the tea baggers. It is well known they don't like
> >> > > people of color.
>
> >> > That's well-known by people who don't know.
>
> >> And totally unknown by people who don't want to know, on the basis
> >> that Republicans can do no wrong.
>
> >I'm not a Republican, and I'm not planning on becoming one.  But, I've
> >spoken to lots, and met few good ones who called themselves that this
> >last cycle.  Most won.
>
> >But, I'm sure your sample is bigger and better, and that you know more
> >about us all than we do.  As always.
>
> I can't decide which is more ignorant... miso or Slowman... both
> certainly are "standards" >:-}
>
>                                         ...Jim Thompson
> --
> | James E.Thompson, CTO                            |    mens     |
> | Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
> | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
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> | E-mail Icon athttp://www.analog-innovations.com|    1962     |

>
> I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.

It's not that they're ignorant, it's that they know so much that isn't
so. (with apologies to the Gipper)

Like basic economics. miso doesn't think repatriating capital
advantages us; bill thinks taking plus redistribution creates gain,
rather than waste.

If we believed those, we'd be progs too.

--
Cheers,
James Arthur

[cameo]

On 11/20/2012 9:49 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>
> At the moment the US is being run in a way that
> benefits the top 1% of the income distribution a lot more than it
> benefits anybody else.

Big surprise: people earning more money actually live better than those
earning less. What is this world coming to?

[Jim Thompson]

On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:35:33 -0800, cameo <ca...@unreal.invalid>
wrote:

And healthier as well. Slowman is an idiot. Don't troll-feed the
idiot.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |

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[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 22, 3:11 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 07:34:10 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Nov 20, 1:54 am, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 20, 12:40 pm, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >> > On Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:27:35 PM UTC-5, miso wrote:
> >> > > It would have confused the tea baggers. It is well known they don't like
> >> > > people of color.
>
> >> > That's well-known by people who don't know.
>
> >> And totally unknown by people who don't want to know, on the basis
> >> that Republicans can do no wrong.
>
> >I'm not a Republican, and I'm not planning on becoming one.  But, I've
> >spoken to lots, and met few good ones who called themselves that this
> >last cycle.  Most won.
>
> >But, I'm sure your sample is bigger and better, and that you know more
> >about us all than we do.  As always.
>
> I can't decide which is more ignorant... miso or Slowman... both
> certainly are "standards" >:-}

Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson claiming that anybody else is
ignorant is a trifle ironic. One wonders which of the things he thinks
to be true that ain't so, might have prompted that deluded claim, but
this is certainly two more of them.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 22, 2:34 am, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Nov 20, 1:54 am, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 20, 12:40 pm, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:27:35 PM UTC-5, miso wrote:
> > > > It would have confused the tea baggers. It is well known they don't like
> > > > people of color.
>
> > > That's well-known by people who don't know.
>
> > And totally unknown by people who don't want to know, on the basis
> > that Republicans can do no wrong.
>
> I'm not a Republican, and I'm not planning on becoming one.

But you still believe that the Republicans can do no wrong, and the
Democrats are responsible for everything that goes wrong. You may not
be a Republican, but you certainly act like part of the Republican
propaganda machine.

> But, I've spoken to lots, and met few good ones who called themselves that this
> last cycle.  Most won.

So what? Election victory in the US is very likely to go to whoever
can buy more television advertising, or have it bought for them. It
says very little about civic responsibility or any other personal
virtue.

> But, I'm sure your sample is bigger and better, and that you know more
> about us all than we do.  As always.

Since I tend to look at population wide samples, and notice aspects of
the statistics that you don't, I may well know more about it than you
do - you suffer from particularly restrictive tunnel vision. I
certainly don't claim to know more than you all do, as even you should
be well aware, but when - for instance - josephkk claims that Al
Jazeera is a British rag I do get to feel that I do know more than
some of you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 22, 3:39 am, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Nov 21, 11:11 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 07:34:10 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com
> > wrote:
>
> > >On Nov 20, 1:54 am, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Nov 20, 12:40 pm, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > >> > On Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:27:35 PM UTC-5, miso wrote:
> > >> > > It would have confused the tea baggers. It is well known they don't like
> > >> > > people of color.
>
> > >> > That's well-known by people who don't know.
>
> > >> And totally unknown by people who don't want to know, on the basis
> > >> that Republicans can do no wrong.
>
> > >I'm not a Republican, and I'm not planning on becoming one.  But, I've
> > >spoken to lots, and met few good ones who called themselves that this
> > >last cycle.  Most won.
>
> > >But, I'm sure your sample is bigger and better, and that you know more
> > >about us all than we do.  As always.
>
> > I can't decide which is more ignorant... miso or Slowman... both
> > certainly are "standards" >:-}
>

> It's not that they're ignorant, it's that they know so much that isn't
> so.  (with apologies to the Gipper)

The quote is usually atrributed to Will Rogers

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/w/willrogers385286.html

> Like basic economics.  miso doesn't think repatriating capital
> advantages us; bill thinks taking plus redistribution creates gain,
> rather than waste.

While James Arthur thinks that borrowing to pay for deficit funding
stimulus spending is taking, and that deficit funded stimulus spending
is waste, while letting a depression shut down a quarter of the
economy and dismantle previously functional businesses isn't.

Not sharing James Arthur's particular brand of wilful ignorance is
scarcely knowing stuff that ain't so, but James Arthur has been too
rigorously brain-washed to be aware of this.

> If we believed those, we'd be progs too.

Probably not, but you would be slightly less ignorant reactionaries -
you do have plenty of other misconceptions which also need work.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 22, 2:05 am, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Nov 19, 9:13 pm, Spehro Pefhany <speffS...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:40:11 -0800 (PST), the renowned
> > dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >On Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:27:35 PM UTC-5, miso wrote:
> > >> It would have confused the tea baggers. It is well known they don't like
> > >> people of color.
>
> > >That's well-known by people who don't know.

<snipped silly parable>

> > >Suppose it was money instead--you loaned Joe the money for whatever it was he needed--pick, shovel, or other.  It's the same.  He pays you back, with interest.  That's your share.
>
> > >A pile of money is the same as a pile of shovels, picks, and anything else--more versatile.  It benefits everyone, amplifies productivity.  But, not if it's stuck overseas, hiding from double-taxation.
>
> > Whatcha talking about? With no significant exceptions, foreign income
> > taxes may be credited against US taxes owing, which largely eliminates
> > double taxation.
>
> I meant the money, already taxed, would, if repatriated, be subject to
> additional US tax, at one of the world's highest rates.

Unless there was a convenient tax loophole, as there often is. The
headline US corporate tax rate is one of the highest in the world but
the proportion of US corporate profit paid out in corporate tax is
relatively low

> They're added, not compounded; 'tacked on' is perhaps a better phrasing, but
> awkward when trying for 'pithy'.

Granting the nature of the insights on show, "taking the pith" is a
better description.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=take%20the%20piss%20out%20of%20someone

> Repatriating adds another inefficiency.  Compliance costs are
> obviously incurred in 1. foreign operations, 2. US tax planning, plus
> 3. in reconciling the optimum strategy between the two.
>
> But, back up out of the weeds, whatever the hit, the perverse
> incentive quite obviously drives capital overseas--people go to great
> lengths to do it--and directs a lot of top-notch human creativity into
> totally unproductive channels.

Rubbish. People have been investing capital overseas as long as there
have been countries with the military clout to ensure that the local
robbers barons won't steal it. Tax breaks are a fairly minor
motivation.

> > Of course even single taxation is too much if you can get away with
> > paying less.
>
> > See the sort of shenanigans that goes on:
> > "Three Foreign Tax Credit Schemes are Shut Down by the IRS"
>
> >http://www.chadbourne.com/files/Publication/91009119-0b94-4e77-8fd6-6...
>

> Apple is, of course, the lodestar of tax innovation.  "Think
> different."

The founding tax evaders had the same basic idea back in 1776. They
did use a different mechanism and exploited Radical Enlightenment
propagandists - like Tom Paine - to put a liberal gloss on their
merchantilist antics, but wrote a Moderate Enlightenment constitution
to maintain their grip on the economy.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:35:33 -0800, cameo <ca...@unreal.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >On 11/20/2012 9:49 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
> >>
> >> At the moment the US is being run in a way that
> >> benefits the top 1% of the income distribution a lot more than it
> >> benefits anybody else.
> >
> >Big surprise: people earning more money actually live better than those
> >earning less. What is this world coming to?
> >
>
> And healthier as well. Slowman is an idiot. Don't troll-feed the
> idiot.

I hope that he meets Phil during one of his violent & psychotic
rages.

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 22, 2:25 am, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:

> On Nov 20, 8:46 am,BillSloman<bill.slo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 20, 1:07 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
>
> > Web-Site.com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:27:30 -0800, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
>
> > > >It would have confused the tea baggers. It is well known they don't like
> > > >people of color.
> > > >>http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/08/03/fertile-ground-white-national...
>
> > > [snip]
>
> > > miso, I'm curious... what drives your hate?
>
> > Jim has this bizarre idea that people who disagree with him are
> > motivated by hate, rather than the rather more obvious fact that he's
> > posting total nonsense.
>
> Two examples in one post:
>
> "Tea bagger" is the same as calling someone a "ni....er."  Both are
> hateful.

Scarcely. Nobody has lynched a member of the Tea Party faction yet.

> Calling people racist, who aren't, is hateful.

The Tea Party's political philosophy disadvantages Americans of
African descent more often than it disadvantages people of northern
European descent. The intent may not be racist, but the results are.

> And, insincere--actual racists don't mind being called racist.  The slur isn't meant for
> them.

Obviously not. It's meant to call the attention of everybody else to
the consequences of their behaviour, and discourage people from voting
for them, in much the same way that you call me socialist - meaning
communist - and proceed to claim that I support any number of moronic
social programs that the communists worked themselves out of power by
endorsing, despite the fact that European socialist tradition (which I
do endorse) rejected that sort of inept elite-driven social
engineering long before Lenin put it into practice in Russia.

This is a case of the deeply encrusted pot calling the kettle black.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 22, 10:51 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:35:33 -0800, cameo <ca...@unreal.invalid>
> > wrote:
>
> > >On 11/20/2012 9:49 PM,BillSlomanwrote:
>
> > >> At the moment the US is being run in a way that
> > >> benefits the top 1% of the income distribution a lot more than it
> > >> benefits anybody else.
>
> > >Big surprise: people earning more money actually live better than those
> > >earning less. What is this world coming to?

In fact the reference was to the fact that top 5% of the US income
distribution had seen it's income go up by 5% between 2010 and 2011,
while the lower 80% of the distributions had seen their incomes remain
stable or decline - mostly decline.

Cameo is almost as ill-informed as Jim Thompson.

> > And healthier as well.

Probably true. Jim Thompson isn't consistently or reliably ill-
informed, though he does still get a lot of things wrong/

> Slowman is an idiot.  Don't troll-feed the
> > idiot.

One of Jim's more persistent delusions is that people who disagree
with him are idiots, rather than better informed than he is (which is
no great achievement).

>    I hope that he meets Phil during one of his violent & psychotic
> rages.

Ambiguous and implausible. Neither Phil nor I goes in for violent or
psychotic rages. Phil Allison is easily provoked to intemperate
language, but we've got no evidence that he breaks things when he is
typing out his communications - and a keyboard would be unlikely to
remain functional if exposed to psychotic violence.

Perhaps Michael Terrell's physical disabilities might make his own
episodes of psychotic rage (if he were to suffer from them) less
destructive, but I'm still more or less able-bodied, and I've no
reason to suppose that Phil isn't either.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Gib Bogle]

On 21/11/2012 8:34 p.m., josephkk wrote:

> Wow, 10 sigma past LaLa land.
>
> Utterly different from the original.
>
> http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/courant/silencedogood.htm
>
> ?-)
>

:-) This newsgroup hosts a surprising number of statistical outliers.

[Gib Bogle]

On 21/11/2012 2:46 a.m., Bill Sloman wrote:

>> miso, I'm curious... what drives your hate?
>
> Jim has this bizarre idea that people who disagree with him are
> motivated by hate, rather than the rather more obvious fact that he's
> posting total nonsense.
>
>> Just what _is_ your problem?
>
> A despicable lack of the right kind of ignorance? Or should I say the
> far-right kind of ignorance? But Jim's silly ideas are shared by so
> many of the right wing-nuts who post here that he probably counts as a
> middle of the road nitwit in the US.
>
> But he does know an amazing number of things that ain't so.

I really admire the polite way you express yourself. I find myself
unable to resist insults when confronted with the ideas expressed by the
right wing-nuts, who are surprisingly numerous on s.e.d.