aioe.org is running in casters-up mode

Phil Hobbs

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Jan 25, 2023, 10:16:21 AM1/25/23

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It was unresponsive earlier this morning, and now redirects to a parking
site. :(

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Phil Hobbs

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Jan 25, 2023, 10:51:44 AM1/25/23

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Phil Hobbs wrote:
> It was unresponsive earlier this morning, and now redirects to a parking
> site. :(

May not be as bad as that--it was aioe.com that's parked.

nslookup finds www.aioe.org and its alias gioia.aioe.org at
46.165.242.91. That address returns a ping, but not http, https, or nntp.

It finds nntp.aioe.org at 46.165.242.75, which is findable by
traceroute, and hosted by leaseweb.de, but pinging comes back
"Destination host unreachable"

So it may just be wedged.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Jan Panteltje

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Jan 25, 2023, 12:29:08 PM1/25/23

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On a sunny day (Wed, 25 Jan 2023 10:51:35 -0500) it happened Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote in
<374b4156-6939-a908...@electrooptical.net>:

~ # host news.aioe.org
news.aioe.org has address 46.165.242.91

~# telnet news.aioe.org 119
Trying 46.165.242.91...
telnet: connect to address 46.165.242.91: Connection refused

So its down.
There was a lot in the news about Microsoft email outlook stuff not working today....
Seems they did some update... that did not work right.
Maybe messed up more than just Microsoft...

Traceroute from here to the last IP with a response gives
~ # ip_to_country -i 195.122.182.146
ip=195.122.182.146 (3279599250) "GB" "UNITED KINGDOM"

I recently (few days ago) changed newsserver to solani.org, as eternal september has irritating log delay times
and was 100% down too a few days back, then I emailed them, then it worked again...
still very slow..
solani so far is OK.

RainerBielefeld

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Jan 28, 2023, 3:15:10 PM1/28/23

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Does someone know some more about this? Did they discontinue the NG service?

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Frank

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Jan 28, 2023, 3:15:10 PM1/28/23

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Someone posted on the Thunderbird newsgroup (alt.comp.software.thunderbird):

"The RAID controller failed and its failure damaged the
contents of the disks. Today or tomorrow they let me know
what can be recovered, if nothing the recovery times will
be long"

Clifford Heath

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Jan 28, 2023, 6:52:44 PM1/28/23

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On 29/01/23 07:15, RainerBielefeld wrote:
> Someone posted on the Thunderbird newsgroup
> (alt.comp.software.thunderbird):

> "The RAID controller failed...
Repeat after me: "RAID is not a backup strategy"

Charlie Brown

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Jan 29, 2023, 6:45:09 PM1/29/23

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RAID 1 does mirror the drives, so that is effectively a backup strategy *for the failure of one drive*, but if the RAID controller goes wonky (as is apparently the case here), then it can corrupt data both drives, so you do need a totally separate backup that does not involve the RAID controller.

Of course, that separate backup is no use if the whole building burns down, so you also need a separate backup in a different location, preferably elsewhere in the world in case the entire city gets damaged by a natural disaster. (If the entire world gets damaged, then you've probably got bigger problems to worry about. :) )

Don Y

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Jan 29, 2023, 8:34:25 PM1/29/23

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On 1/29/2023 4:45 PM, Charlie Brown wrote:
> RAID 1 does mirror the drives, so that is effectively a backup strategy *for
> the failure of one drive*, but if the RAID controller goes wonky (as is
> apparently the case here), then it can corrupt data both drives, so you do need
> a totally separate backup that does not involve the RAID controller.

How does having a RAID act as a backup if you DELETE THE FILE?

A *backup* lets you recover a file that you accidentally (or,
inappropriately) deleted. Or altered. RAID (any level) will
cheerfully delete (or alter) all signs of the file from all media
involved.

RAID just protects against drive failures. You can lose data for
any number of reasons (including the above) and RAID won't help
you at all. But, a BACKUP will!

Charlie Brown

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Jan 31, 2023, 6:45:10 PM1/31/23

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Does anyone have any updates on aioe.org's revival or non-revival?
(Wouldn't it be quicker to just start a newsserver from scratch with new drives than trying to resurrect old data?)

Are there any other good free newsservers to use that do not require an account?

:-(

Don Y

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Jan 31, 2023, 7:26:00 PM1/31/23

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On 1/31/2023 4:45 PM, Charlie Brown wrote:
> Does anyone have any updates on aioe.org's revival or non-revival?
> (Wouldn't it be quicker to just start a newsserver from scratch with new drives
> than trying to resurrect old data?)

You don't know what else they may be hosting on that hardware/domain.
The NNTPd may just be a wart tacked onto something else.

> Are there any other good free newsservers to use that do not require an account?

Depends on what you mean by "account"...

Don Y

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Feb 2, 2023, 4:45:02 AM2/2/23

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On 1/28/2023 1:15 PM, RainerBielefeld wrote:
> Does someone know some more about this? Did they discontinue the NG service?

The site (domain) seems unresponsive. It may be that all
that is operational is a bastion host with ALL services
behind it shutdown (dead server?).

john

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Mar 18, 2023, 7:15:13 PM3/18/23

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There you go being all logical and stuff. I suspect it's more of a "we need to buy new (and expensive) hardware to run something that we don't make any money from" problem.