How to Bribe a Job Recruiter for an Electronics Job
D from BC
recruiters..
For some email fun, I offered $300 to a job recruiter to set up an
interview with the employer.
(I mentioned I'll only present a resume during an interview due to
privacy and security concerns.)
I got declined.
I guess my offer wasn't high enough...
Should I email back with a higher offer?? Hee hee... :P
I wonder how much money those recruiters charge companies??
D from BC
myrealaddress(at)comic(dot)com
British Columbia
Canada
krw
myreal...@comic.com says...>
> recruiters..
Corruption? Perhaps. Some certainly seem that way, but they're just
incompetent, IMO. I worked with one company that made me feel
dirty every time I left their offices. The idiots still call, even
though I've told them over and over that I'm no longer in the
market. They were the dumbest lot I've ever come across and
slimier than used car salesmen.
> For some email fun, I offered $300 to a job recruiter to set up an
> interview with the employer.
Don't be silly. Why would he risk his reputation with the hiring
company (his customer) for chump change.
> (I mentioned I'll only present a resume during an interview due to
> privacy and security concerns.)
I had privacy concerns with one company too. They wanted all of my
private information, including SSN, on first email contact. Before
even a phone call introducing themselves, or any indication of what
the job entailed. That said, there shouldn't be any security
concerns. They don't need any important information until after
you've interviewed and they've decided to hire.
> I got declined.
I declined before they had a chance.
> I guess my offer wasn't high enough...
> Should I email back with a higher offer?? Hee hee... :P
No. You can't afford it.
> I wonder how much money those recruiters charge companies??
The recruiter that placed me got 40% of my annual salary[*]. He has
his rates posted on his web site. I looked at them all. Why
shouldn't I know everything I can about the recruiter too?
[*] Even though he was working for my CPOE, he had an incentive to
get the highest salary he could. He had to work a bit, but I ended
up with what I was asking.
--
Keith
Joel Koltner
news:6a2ph49udof225hao...@4ax.com...
> Should I email back with a higher offer?? Hee hee... :P
Or try another recruiter -- sooner or later I'm sure you'll find one that
bites. :-)
> I wonder how much money those recruiters charge companies??
Often a lot -- some flat fee plus some percentage of the guy's salary for six
months or somesuch.
If you hire temps from temp agencies you're typically contractually obligated
to pay a non-negligible chunk-o-change if you decide you want to hire the
employee permanently as well. Of course, if you can get the temp to keep
their mouths shut, you can weasel out of this by just hiring them directly and
not telling the temp agency... I once worked at a company that did this for a
receptionist position. (Not surprisingly, in general this company don't feel
that contracts meant all that much if they became difficult to meet...)
D from BC
Yikes!... They're like pimps..
I'll certainly try to bypass a recruiter ...
Do you know if recruiters make companies sign a contract so they can't
hire direct?
krw
myreal...@comic.com says...
No, like Realtors. They work on a commission, paid by one side.
> I'll certainly try to bypass a recruiter ...
Why do you care what the company pays? If they're using a recruiter
they already have them (and you) in the budget. You may want to
look on your own too (I didn't), but there is no reason to avoid
them or go around them. Indeed, going around them can get you into
trouble and lose the job. I had one such issue when I accidentally
authorized two head hunters to submit me for one position (they
didn't tell me who the hiring company was - last time I made that
mistake). There are a lot of pitfalls in this area. Avoiding
recruiters isn't smart though. A good one does a lot of work for
you (and of course, the hiring manager).
> Do you know if recruiters make companies sign a contract so they can't
> hire direct?
Why would a company sign such an agreement? They will sign an
agreement that says they get paid if they're the one who introduces
you to them. It really is more like a contract with a Realtor,
except the buyer pays the commissions. ;-)
--
Keith
Joe Chisolm
> I always wanted to know if there was some corruption with job recruiters..
>
> For some email fun, I offered $300 to a job recruiter to set up an
> interview with the employer.
> (I mentioned I'll only present a resume during an interview due to privacy
> and security concerns.)
>
> I got declined.
>
> I guess my offer wasn't high enough... Should I email back with a higher
> offer?? Hee hee... :P
>
> I wonder how much money those recruiters charge companies??
>
A small fortune in boom times. It's usually a percentage of
first year salary. I can remember signing checks in
the $10,000+ range.
> D from BC
> myrealaddress(at)comic(dot)com
> British Columbia
> Canada
--
Joe Chisolm
Marble Falls, TX
Joel Koltner
news:MPG.238688b0b...@news.individual.net...
> Indeed, going around them can get you into
> trouble and lose the job.
Assuming one is not working with a headhunter but just notices one of their
recruitment ads on a public web page, what's the harm in going around the
headhunter if you can figure out what the job really is?
It seems there's plenty to gain (e.g., rather than the company paying the
headhunter, they'll instead pay your moving expenses!), and everything is
still on the "up and up" since you just made use of publically available
information?
Out of curiosity, what type of work are you doing these days, Keith?
---Joel
David L. Jones
> I always wanted to know if there was some corruption with job
> recruiters..
Unlikely, as recruitment companies are just (usually useless) resume
sorters, they have no say or influence in you getting the job.
Although some of the shite I've had them pass on the me, you do have
to wonder sometimes...
> For some email fun, I offered $300 to a job recruiter to set up an
> interview with the employer.
> (I mentioned I'll only present a resume during an interview due to
> privacy and security concerns.)
>
> I got declined.
No kidding.
> I guess my offer wasn't high enough...
$300 is chump change to them.
> Should I email back with a higher offer?? Hee hee... :P
>
> I wonder how much money those recruiters charge companies??
In Australia at least it's typically around 20-30% of your first years
salary for electronics jobs.
At least an order of magnitude higher than what their "service" is
actually worth (yes, I'm being generous here).
Usually there is a clause that they don't get paid if you don't stay
at least 3 months or whatever.
Dave.
mi...@sushi.com
wrote:
Or you negotiate a signing bonus, which is still cheaper than paying
the headhunter.
Ben Bradley
hearing (charged to the employer, but I've heard of candidates paying)
were ten percent of a year's salary, but that was 10-20 years ago.
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:11:02 -0800, D from BC
<myreal...@comic.com> wrote:
>Yikes!... They're like pimps..
>I'll certainly try to bypass a recruiter ...
Well, as the other responder said, it's in the company's budget. If
they hire you direct, they probably won't pay YOU any more, just
pocket the recruiter's fee. It's really the company paying for the
recruiter, for the company it's just "a const of doing business."
>Do you know if recruiters make companies sign a contract so they can't
>hire direct?
There may well be that agreement between them. Before going on an
interview for a contracting company, I had to sign a statement that I
wouldn't accept employment direct from the company they were sending
me to for six months after the interview.
krw
zapwireD...@yahoo.com says...
> "krw" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
> news:MPG.238688b0b...@news.individual.net...
> > Indeed, going around them can get you into
> > trouble and lose the job.
>
> Assuming one is not working with a headhunter but just notices one of their
> recruitment ads on a public web page, what's the harm in going around the
> headhunter if you can figure out what the job really is?
If you've talked to a head hunter who is also working for the
company there is a conflict. The company isn't likely to hire you
because they're in an uncertain position.
> It seems there's plenty to gain (e.g., rather than the company paying the
> headhunter, they'll instead pay your moving expenses!), and everything is
> still on the "up and up" since you just made use of publically available
> information?
That may happen, but it's rare. Companies who are really looking
for people know they're going to have to pay relocation and a head
hunter. My CPOE certainly did, as well as everyone I interviewed
with. Of course, I paid my own relocation when I did contract work
for a year, but the head hunter still got paid (via my contract
rate).
> Out of curiosity, what type of work are you doing these days, Keith?
Circuit design. Mostly analog so far but I was hired for FPGA
skills. Why do you ask?
--
Keith
krw
ben_u_...@etcmail.com says...
One company (the sleazy one) wanted a year. I didn't sign anything
with most of them. I've never met the head hunter who placed me,
nor the one who came in second and third. ;-) That one (the one
who found 2-1/2 hits) was one of the good ones!
--
Keith
krw
nos...@nospam.org says...
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:58:45 -0800, D from BC wrote:
>
> > I always wanted to know if there was some corruption with job recruiters..
> >
> > For some email fun, I offered $300 to a job recruiter to set up an
> > interview with the employer.
> > (I mentioned I'll only present a resume during an interview due to privacy
> > and security concerns.)
> >
> > I got declined.
> >
> > I guess my offer wasn't high enough... Should I email back with a higher
> > offer?? Hee hee... :P
> >
> > I wonder how much money those recruiters charge companies??
> >
>
> A small fortune in boom times. It's usually a percentage of
> first year salary. I can remember signing checks in
> the $10,000+ range.
More like 3-4X that. This year wasn't so much of a "boom time",
though it wasn't all that bad. ;-)
--
Keith
David L. Jones
wrote:
> "krw" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.238688b0b...@news.individual.net...
>
> > Indeed, going around them can get you into
> > trouble and lose the job.
>
> Assuming one is not working with a headhunter but just notices one of their
> recruitment ads on a public web page, what's the harm in going around the
> headhunter if you can figure out what the job really is?
That works in a lot of cases, but there are anal (or just BIG)
companies who will refuse to deal with people direct.
> It seems there's plenty to gain (e.g., rather than the company paying the
> headhunter, they'll instead pay your moving expenses!),
There can be plenty to gain, but if you *really* like a company and
want to work there then I wouldn't take chances by trying to avoid the
head hunter who is often the authorised recruitment agency.
BTW, head hunters are usually easier to impress then a (technical)
potential employee, so you can often get them to "talk you up" before
you get there for the interview (that's part of their job after all),
and that can help sometimes.
> and everything is
> still on the "up and up" since you just made use of publically available
> information?
No such thing as "on the up and up" in the recruitment game, they'll
screw you and anyone else to get their commission, if you can screw
them by all means do it!
Dave.
krw
@u29g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, alt...@gmail.com says...>
> wrote:
> > "krw" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
> >
> > news:MPG.238688b0b...@news.individual.net...
> >
> > > Indeed, going around them can get you into
> > > trouble and lose the job.
> >
> > Assuming one is not working with a headhunter but just notices one of their
> > recruitment ads on a public web page, what's the harm in going around the
> > headhunter if you can figure out what the job really is?
>
> That works in a lot of cases, but there are anal (or just BIG)
> companies who will refuse to deal with people direct.
Some are, though they almost always have an HR department at take
resumes. Many do *not* deal with contractors directly, though. For
tax reasons they keep them at an arm's length.
> > It seems there's plenty to gain (e.g., rather than the company paying the
> > headhunter, they'll instead pay your moving expenses!),
>
> There can be plenty to gain, but if you *really* like a company and
> want to work there then I wouldn't take chances by trying to avoid the
> head hunter who is often the authorised recruitment agency.
> BTW, head hunters are usually easier to impress then a (technical)
> potential employee, so you can often get them to "talk you up" before
> you get there for the interview (that's part of their job after all),
> and that can help sometimes.
They also know the people who make the decisions. The recruiter
who placed me grew up with the owner of the company. ;-)
> > and everything is
> > still on the "up and up" since you just made use of publically available
> > information?
>
> No such thing as "on the up and up" in the recruitment game, they'll
> screw you and anyone else to get their commission, if you can screw
> them by all means do it!
Complete nonsense. If you screw them they *will* screw you, and
for good reason.
--
Keith
Tim Shoppa
> I always wanted to know if there was some corruption with job
> recruiters..
>
> For some email fun, I offered $300 to a job recruiter to set up an
> interview with the employer.
> (I mentioned I'll only present a resume during an interview due to
> privacy and security concerns.)
>
> I got declined.
>
> I guess my offer wasn't high enough...
> Should I email back with a higher offer?? Hee hee... :P
There's a different game going on, too: When recruiters don't have
much work for them to do, they pretend to be busy, making it look like
they're active, by making up (cutting and pasting) job listings that
don't even exist. They do sometimes file away the resumes and tips
they get for use in future real jobs, but the real purpose of this
game is to make it look like they're an active recruiter.
There are a number of companies that have their HR department do the
same thing, or they are required to list a job when really the
candidate for the job is already chosen. Layer the recruiters on top
of the HR departments and in some specific fields, it's very likely
that 90% of the job listings you see aren't actually real open jobs.
Tim.
D from BC
Aha! I've suspected this too...Bogus job postings by recruiters.
I'm trying to figure out a nice prank to prove it.
(I dunno.. Maybe I just ask the recruiter for proof?)
btw..after a little net searching, I did find a nearly identical job
posting by another recruiting company. But that's still inconclusive.
Joel Koltner
> That may happen, but it's rare.
Fair enough.
> Circuit design. Mostly analog so far but I was hired for FPGA
> skills. Why do you ask?
Mostly curious about what sorts of engineering jobs are available at the
moment, given the overall not-so-hot state of the economy.
I have no plans to leave my CPOE in the foreseeable future, although we're a
small enough company that it's not 100% certain we'll be around in 5 years...
and most of our contracts are with the government anyway, which bodes well.
krw
zapwireD...@yahoo.com says...>
> news:MPG.2386b8e9f...@news.individual.net...
> > That may happen, but it's rare.
>
> Fair enough.
>
> > Circuit design. Mostly analog so far but I was hired for FPGA
> > skills. Why do you ask?
>
> Mostly curious about what sorts of engineering jobs are available at the
> moment, given the overall not-so-hot state of the economy.
I keep getting calls, though I've pulled my resume and tell those
who do call that I'm no longer looking.
> I have no plans to leave my CPOE in the foreseeable future, although we're a
> small enough company that it's not 100% certain we'll be around in 5 years...
> and most of our contracts are with the government anyway, which bodes well.
I now work for a small company too, with ~100 employees (two
circuit designers, a component/layout engineer, mechanical
engineer, and four programmers). The business should be good
(seems to be a good niche), but who knows?
I hope "government" <> DOD. My bet is that big military projects
are going to be pretty lean for a while. $2B destroyers (my last
job) may be put on hold for a while.
--
Keith
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
candidates prior to the interview with the employer where such filtering
may run afoul of state, federal or other anti discrimination or fair
employment laws.
Face it. The employer has far more than a few hundred dollars at stake
if someone slips through the system, gets a job and then ends up suing
because the boss is a racist or likes to fondle the staff.
If a couple of hundred dollars doesn't buy you the interview, think
twice about whether you want to work for such an outfit.
--
Paul Hovnanian pa...@hovnanian.com
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Have gnu, will travel.
krw
says...>
> candidates prior to the interview with the employer where such filtering
> may run afoul of state, federal or other anti discrimination or fair
> employment laws.
>
> Face it. The employer has far more than a few hundred dollars at stake
> if someone slips through the system, gets a job and then ends up suing
> because the boss is a racist or likes to fondle the staff.
>
> If a couple of hundred dollars doesn't buy you the interview, think
> twice about whether you want to work for such an outfit.
If a couple of hundred dollars *DOES* buy you the interview, think
twice about whether you want to work for such an outfit.
--
Keith
Joel Koltner
news:MPG.23878bc6c...@news.individual.net...
> I keep getting calls, though I've pulled my resume and tell those
> who do call that I'm no longer looking.
That's good to hear.
> I now work for a small company too, with ~100 employees (two
> circuit designers, a component/layout engineer, mechanical
> engineer, and four programmers).
We're about 1/4 that.
> I hope "government" <> DOD. My bet is that big military projects
> are going to be pretty lean for a while. $2B destroyers (my last
> job) may be put on hold for a while.
(Cough) Well, um, yeah, in our case the government contracts are for the DOD.
Some of them are for (small pieces of) very-long-term projects that have been
around since the early days of the cold war, and they have had numerous ups
and downs in funding, though. We do have a significant upcoming commercial
contract that -- being a bit vague here -- is "wireless designs for very large
entertainment venues," and we've been told by the customer that even in
economic downturns there isn't a huge drop in people going to, e.g.,
pro-football games, seeing Broadway (well, maybe slightly-off-Broadway?)
shows, etc.
---Joel
D from BC
I'll check the amount of motorcycles in the parking lot when I go for
the interview..
More than 4 Harleys parked could suggest some questionable people.
krw
myreal...@comic.com says...
No, it suggest well paid people. Harleys cost a pile of money (for
a motorcycle) but are just as likely driven by a lawyer as a gang
banger. OTOH, you have a point. Better with the HA member.
--
Keith
D from BC
I read Jay Leno owns 80 motorcycles including a 1936 Harley..
ok..I wouldn't make solid conclusions when I spot motorcycles in the
parking lot.
When a company accepts a bribe to hire me it could mean
the company is open to accepting a bribe to fire me.
That is, if somebody really wants my job.
krw
myreal...@comic.com says...
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:19:44 -0600, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
> >In article <7apsh4958bl12mchb...@4ax.com>,
> >myreal...@comic.com says...
> >> On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:36:34 -0600, krw <k...@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <491DD280...@hovnanian.com>, pa...@hovnanian.com
> >> >says...>
> >> >> One of the critical functions of a recruiter is to filter out potential
> >> >> candidates prior to the interview with the employer where such filtering
> >> >> may run afoul of state, federal or other anti discrimination or fair
> >> >> employment laws.
> >> >>
> >> >> Face it. The employer has far more than a few hundred dollars at stake
> >> >> if someone slips through the system, gets a job and then ends up suing
> >> >> because the boss is a racist or likes to fondle the staff.
> >> >>
> >> >> If a couple of hundred dollars doesn't buy you the interview, think
> >> >> twice about whether you want to work for such an outfit.
> >> >
> >> >If a couple of hundred dollars *DOES* buy you the interview, think
> >> >twice about whether you want to work for such an outfit.
> >>
> >> I'll check the amount of motorcycles in the parking lot when I go for
> >> the interview..
> >> More than 4 Harleys parked could suggest some questionable people.
> >
> >No, it suggest well paid people. Harleys cost a pile of money (for
> >a motorcycle) but are just as likely driven by a lawyer as a gang
> >banger. OTOH, you have a point. Better with the HA member.
>
> I read Jay Leno owns 80 motorcycles including a 1936 Harley..
I didn't think Leno hired engineers.
> ok..I wouldn't make solid conclusions when I spot motorcycles in the
> parking lot.
>
> When a company accepts a bribe to hire me it could mean
> the company is open to accepting a bribe to fire me.
> That is, if somebody really wants my job.
Maybe. What it *does* mean is that your pitiful bribe is enough to
make a difference to them. Never work for someone cheaper than
yourself; money flows the wrong way.
--
Keith
readeraz
Hehe, it seems a universe in the world except China.
bribe, corrupt, officers, power
all is talk about.
try to add more money, they will hire you.
refer to our newspaper, you can learn more. hehe