wise advice on managing the virus

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/04/22/mayoral-candidate-laurence-fox-get-your-mask-off-grow-some-balls/



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[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 4/22/2021 18:18, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/04/22/mayoral-candidate-laurence-fox-get-your-mask-off-grow-some-balls/
>
>
>

I suppose your post is ironic, what an idiot this guy is - and he wants
to be mayor of London, lol.
Grow balls and don't wear a mask, insist on your right to spit whatever
infection you are carrying to as many people you can reach.
Such a moron.

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 19:29:15 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:

His personality, and virus fatigue, could get him elected.

Masking outdoors is apparently useless. I never have.

[Clive Arthur]

He's an actor, and he likes attention. The closest he'll ever get to
Mayor of London is if he's offered the part of Dick Whittington in a
Christmas panto. And he won't be.

--
Cheers
Clive

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 4/22/2021 20:19, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 19:29:15 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/22/2021 18:18, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/04/22/mayoral-candidate-laurence-fox-get-your-mask-off-grow-some-balls/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I suppose your post is ironic, what an idiot this guy is - and he wants
>> to be mayor of London, lol.
>> Grow balls and don't wear a mask, insist on your right to spit whatever
>> infection you are carrying to as many people you can reach.
>> Such a moron.
>
> His personality, and virus fatigue, could get him elected.
>
> Masking outdoors is apparently useless. I never have.
>
>

Outdoors is generally useless, unless in a densely populated place,
which one cannot find nowadays anyway.

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 18:22:30 +0100, Clive Arthur
<cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

>On 22/04/2021 17:29, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>> On 4/22/2021 18:18, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/04/22/mayoral-candidate-laurence-fox-get-your-mask-off-grow-some-balls/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I suppose your post is ironic, what an idiot this guy is - and he wants
>> to be mayor of London, lol.
>> Grow balls and don't wear a mask, insist on your right to spit whatever
>> infection you are carrying to as many people you can reach.
>> Such a moron.
>>
>
>He's an actor, and he likes attention.

Ideal politician. Inexperienced, which is even better.

The closest he'll ever get to
>Mayor of London is if he's offered the part of Dick Whittington in a
>Christmas panto. And he won't be.

Hey, we elected Trump.

[Dimiter_Popoff]

And they elected Johnson, not that much better ...
And if you could see what people here elected for a second political
power... a new party founded by a tv-show host, apparently liked
by much of the peasantry.... (I do not vote, last time I voted was
last century and a friend was involved in one of the campaigns
so I thought I'd support his work :-).

[Sjouke Burry]

On 22.04.21 17:18, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/04/22/mayoral-candidate-laurence-fox-get-your-mask-off-grow-some-balls/
>
>
>

Ah! Discussion by link plonking.
Never explain why you are plonking.

[John Larkin]

I'm not required to explain anything. If you don't like links, don't
open them.

But doesn't "plonk" mean killfile? What I did was plop.

[Rick C]

On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 1:19:09 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 19:29:15 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com>
> wrote:
> >On 4/22/2021 18:18, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >>
> >> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/04/22/mayoral-candidate-laurence-fox-get-your-mask-off-grow-some-balls/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I suppose your post is ironic, what an idiot this guy is - and he wants
> >to be mayor of London, lol.
> >Grow balls and don't wear a mask, insist on your right to spit whatever
> >infection you are carrying to as many people you can reach.
> >Such a moron.
> His personality, and virus fatigue, could get him elected.
>
> Masking outdoors is apparently useless. I never have.

There is absolutely no evidence of that. I remember as a small child wondering where smoke went. I was told it just "disappears". The virus is like that. If you are outdoors and any sort of a wind is blowing, then yeah, the virus is dispersed quickly and chances of transmission are lower, although not zero. With nearly no wind, which is not all that rare, especially in the summer, standing talking to someone outside is no different from standing with them indoors.

What is useless is acting like being over cautious is silly or dumb. If we had more people who were over cautious about this disease we would not have killed 300,000 people in the US around the holidays.

I support fully over caution with regard to this pandemic. You know, like they do in Australia with less than 1000 deaths... not per day, total! That is how terrible it is to be overly cautious.

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[Rick C]

For a second I thought you were talking about Larkin. He is quite an actor though, isn't he?

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[Rick C]

Perhaps you don't understand population density in regards to this disease. It doesn't matter how many people there are per square mile. What matters is how many people there are per square meter. When the density reaches 2 per square meter, you have a higher chance of transmitting the disease. If the density is 1 per square meter, your chances of transmitting the disease are significantly lower.

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[Rick C]

Yes, we all do what we do best.

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[bitrex]

If someone dislikes what they've been requested to do to avoid
contracting/spreading the virus, they should be required to try the
alternative.

This goes particularly for politicians.

[bitrex]

Thank God for all the mask-free proselytizers during the height of the
pandemic, without their dedicated and confident service in Covid-wards
across the country the death toll would have been so much worse than it was.

No balls, indeed...

[bitrex]

There was this guy on the YouTubes in the US early in the pandemic
taking video outside a hospital in NYC where Covid patients were
"supposedly" dying and claiming that based on what evidence he could
find externally this wasn't the case. It's all a fraud!

And people in the comments were like get in there! Go in and show the
empty beds and expose this fraud for what it is.

Lol, he wouldn't even try to do it. What a pussy.

[Don Y]

On 4/22/2021 11:00 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

> (I do not vote, last time I voted was
> last century and a friend was involved in one of the campaigns
> so I thought I'd support his work :-).

So, in lieu of voting, what are you doing to "fix the system"?

We vote at least yearly; there are always "citizen initiatives",
bond initiatives, local offices to fill, etc. -- in addition to
state, county and federal elections.

I can either assume my vote is "down in the noise" -- whether
"for" or "against". Or, I can assume enough "noise" makes the
majority opinion.

Voting, here, is relatively convenient -- either by mail or
at one of the many polling places (I can walk to ours in almost
the same time it takes to drive-and-park). So, it costs me
~45 minutes (assuming I'm not merging that activity with
some other) once or thrice a year.

It's also a semi-social event as we tend to encounter the
same "poll workers" each time and get to recognize each other,
over time. So, when we encounter each other in passing, it's
a pleasant (and low cost -- neither of us likely to ask for any
"favors"!) interaction.

Afterwards, I have the satisfaction of knowing I had *a* say.

[John Larkin]

How about allowing people to decide for themselves what to do?

[Rick C]

For exactly the same reason we don't allow children to go to school without vaccinations. For the greater good of preventing serious disease.

Why does anyone need to even ask that question? Hell, we require helmets on motorcycles and seat belt use in vehicles. I think the principle of acting to the greater good is established. We just need to be consistent.

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[Don Y]

On 4/22/2021 2:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:

>> If someone dislikes what they've been requested to do to avoid
>> contracting/spreading the virus, they should be required to try the
>> alternative.
>
> How about allowing people to decide for themselves what to do?

Didn't work too well in the era of typhoid!

Or, do you think that you have no obligation to those around you?
(there's a word for this: selfish; Good Christian!)

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 20:27:43 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com>

wrote:

>On 4/22/2021 20:19, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 19:29:15 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/22/2021 18:18, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/04/22/mayoral-candidate-laurence-fox-get-your-mask-off-grow-some-balls/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I suppose your post is ironic, what an idiot this guy is - and he wants
>>> to be mayor of London, lol.
>>> Grow balls and don't wear a mask, insist on your right to spit whatever
>>> infection you are carrying to as many people you can reach.
>>> Such a moron.
>>
>> His personality, and virus fatigue, could get him elected.
>>
>> Masking outdoors is apparently useless. I never have.
>>
>>
>
>Outdoors is generally useless, unless in a densely populated place,
>which one cannot find nowadays anyway.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/04/21/covid-when-can-we-stop-wearing-masks-outdoors/

[John Larkin]

People can social-distance if they want. People can free-climb in
Yosemite and ride motorcycles if they want.

I've seen people panic and crouch and huddle on the side of a bridge
when an unmasked person walked on the other side... in the sun in a
healthy breeze.

The states that no longer require masking are actually doing pretty
well.

Texas eliminated their mask mandate about six weeks ago. Their case
and death rates are now a fraction of that of some northheast states.
Cases are 1/7 of peak and declining.

I don't think anyone has explained the radical regional differences.

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 4/23/2021 0:26, Don Y wrote:
> On 4/22/2021 11:00 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>
>> (I do not vote, last time I voted was
>> last century and a friend was involved in one of the campaigns
>> so I thought I'd support his work :-).
>
> So, in lieu of voting, what are you doing to "fix the system"?

Not voting.
Remember my country is small and it is still under
the complete control of the KGB mafia (whoever might control the
latter today, I don't even try/bother to figure that one out).
Nobody gets into the lists of their party on an electable place
unless they have a dossier which allows *complete* control.
Someone gets caught doing something, they cover it up and his
career starts. Then he is tempted to do something larger, gets
caught again of course and ... advances in his career. And so on,
once they have him for high reason or something of that magnitude
he is eligible for any position.

The *only* way one can make them simulate decency is to make it
problematic for them to get enough turnout, the result of the
vote is irrelevant to them as no outsiders are allowed to
participate anyway.

[Don Y]

On 4/22/2021 3:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:05:52 -0700, Don Y
> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 4/22/2021 2:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>>> If someone dislikes what they've been requested to do to avoid
>>>> contracting/spreading the virus, they should be required to try the
>>>> alternative.
>>>
>>> How about allowing people to decide for themselves what to do?
>>
>> Didn't work too well in the era of typhoid!
>>
>> Or, do you think that you have no obligation to those around you?
>> (there's a word for this: selfish; Good Christian!)
>
> People can social-distance if they want. People can free-climb in
> Yosemite and ride motorcycles if they want.

I should be able to walk into your place of business with ebola -- shaking
hands with and spreading droplets via my speaking. Or, delivering "take out".
The fact that you'd lose a portion of your key staff shouldn't bother me,
right? It's *their* fault for shaking my hand and letting me get that
physically close to them...

It's amusing to watch the younger folks who scoffed at the virus when it
was killing the older folks -- suddenly finding themselves in the hospital.

Next, it will be the folks who disdain the vaccine. I wonder how much
sympathy they'll get from their peers (and gummit support) when it's
their turn in the ER.

"Don't be a pussy! Don't you DARE wear that mask OR get vaccinated!
After all, 'it's just like the flu'..."

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 4/23/2021 1:20, John Larkin wrote:
> ...

>
> Texas eliminated their mask mandate about six weeks ago. Their case
> and death rates are now a fraction of that of some northheast states.
> Cases are 1/7 of peak and declining.
>
> I don't think anyone has explained the radical regional differences.
>

Well Texas is in the south, no surprise they got warmer/dryer weather
earlier than those in the north. Not that I am that familiar with US
weather/climate...

[Don Y]

On 4/22/2021 3:27 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> On 4/23/2021 0:26, Don Y wrote:
>> On 4/22/2021 11:00 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>>
>>> (I do not vote, last time I voted was
>>> last century and a friend was involved in one of the campaigns
>>> so I thought I'd support his work :-).
>>
>> So, in lieu of voting, what are you doing to "fix the system"?
>
> Not voting.
> Remember my country is small and it is still under
> the complete control of the KGB mafia (whoever might control the
> latter today, I don't even try/bother to figure that one out).

Dimiter, I (like many Americans) am largely clueless as to conditions
in other countries. I was chastised by a cab driver in Canada 40+ years
ago for how little I (as a representative of a typical american) knew
of *his* country. "You probably don't even know the names of our
provinces!..."

"Ontario, Yukon, NW Territories, BC, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Quebec,
New Brunswick, PEIsland, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia... which have I
forgotten?"

Silence.

"Would you like to take a crack at naming *half* of the states?"

But, had I been in MX at the time, I'd have been completely clueless
to even start naming mexican states! (even now, living nearby, I can
probably only name 4 or 5).

Ask me about a place halfway (literally) around the world... <shrug>

> Nobody gets into the lists of their party on an electable place
> unless they have a dossier which allows *complete* control.
> Someone gets caught doing something, they cover it up and his
> career starts. Then he is tempted to do something larger, gets
> caught again of course and ... advances in his career. And so on,
> once they have him for high reason or something of that magnitude
> he is eligible for any position.
>
> The *only* way one can make them simulate decency is to make it
> problematic for them to get enough turnout, the result of the
> vote is irrelevant to them as no outsiders are allowed to
> participate anyway.

So, is the "vote" just for show? Like these other states where
it's a democracy only superficially?

In a more cynical vein, do you just live your life, keep your head
down and "hope for the best"?

[Tom Gardner]

How about allowing people to decide what they do to others?

[Dimiter_Popoff]

It is hard to say, I am not inside all that. They have to show
loyalty towards the EU, NATO etc., without EU money things would
collapse quite quickly. OTOH those in the EU are not stupid, they
know much (most) of the money goes into the wrong hands but they
do push things into the right direction, step by step. Slowly of
course but pushing faster would mean cataclysms etc.

> In a more cynical vein, do you just live your life, keep your head
> down and "hope for the best"?
>

I don't just hope for the best. My understanding is that by not
voting I am doing my best contribution so they act to look like what
they should be. Should more people stop voting - now they get
a turnout of about 40%, half of which might well be faked (I don't
really know that, just a feeling) - they would have to make more
concessions. But I only have one vote not to give them,
so I just do my part and don't get overexcited
about who kicks who under the table, I barely follow the local
news.

[Rick C]

On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 6:20:22 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:05:52 -0700, Don Y
> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On 4/22/2021 2:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> >
> >>> If someone dislikes what they've been requested to do to avoid
> >>> contracting/spreading the virus, they should be required to try the
> >>> alternative.
> >>
> >> How about allowing people to decide for themselves what to do?
> >
> >Didn't work too well in the era of typhoid!
> >
> >Or, do you think that you have no obligation to those around you?
> >(there's a word for this: selfish; Good Christian!)
> People can social-distance if they want. People can free-climb in
> Yosemite and ride motorcycles if they want.
>
> I've seen people panic and crouch and huddle on the side of a bridge
> when an unmasked person walked on the other side... in the sun in a
> healthy breeze.
>
> The states that no longer require masking are actually doing pretty
> well.

There are NO states in the US that are doing "pretty well". We think it's "pretty well" because of the huge numbers we saw when people were being total idiots.

> Texas eliminated their mask mandate about six weeks ago. Their case
> and death rates are now a fraction of that of some northheast states.
> Cases are 1/7 of peak and declining.

Texas infection rates are NOT declining. They stopped dropping about the beginning of April and are holding around 3,000. Even the death rate is looking to be bottoming out at an unacceptable level. Florida also has relaxed mandates and is seeing another surge, back up to 6,000 new infections per day.

Don't know why I bother to point this out to anyone. It seems people who think like Larkin will only consider the numbers they want to look at.

> I don't think anyone has explained the radical regional differences.

No, every nuance in the numbers is not explained. We don't have perfect knowledge of what everyone does or doesn't do. It may be that people in Texas are currently more concerned and are wearing masks anyway. There may be a significant difference in the viral strains in the states.

We have experts who are considering everything they can think of. It is very clear that wearing masks is better than not wearing masks. I would rather that we all wear masks when around other people to minimize the spread of the disease and that we minimize the contact as much as possible even with the masks and vaccine. There is no reason on this green earth why we should not try to get this disease under control like our Aussie friends have done. JUST like our Aussie friends have done.

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[Don Y]

So, "voting" (at the national level) is intended for INTERNATIONAL
consumption; they are trying to LOOK like a democracy.

Here, there is pressure to SUPPRESS voting as it represents a
challenge to those who want to "run the show".

E.g., our (state) constitution allows the citizenry to put
issues "on the ballot" (to let the public cast FORMAL opinions
on whether or not these should then become law). The
politicians don't like this and keep trying to pass laws
that interfere with the ability to do this. Or, actually,
going as far as to set themselves up to be able to OVERRIDE
anything that the "public" *formally* enacts as law.

I.e., they would be much happier with a lower level of
"interest" in these issues!

[Don Y]

Sounds good! There's lots of things that society says I
can't do that I'd really wish I could! Damned inconvenient!

When can we start?

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:47:34 -0700, Don Y

<blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

>On 4/22/2021 3:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:05:52 -0700, Don Y
>> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/22/2021 2:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>
>>>>> If someone dislikes what they've been requested to do to avoid
>>>>> contracting/spreading the virus, they should be required to try the
>>>>> alternative.
>>>>
>>>> How about allowing people to decide for themselves what to do?
>>>
>>> Didn't work too well in the era of typhoid!
>>>
>>> Or, do you think that you have no obligation to those around you?
>>> (there's a word for this: selfish; Good Christian!)
>>
>> People can social-distance if they want. People can free-climb in
>> Yosemite and ride motorcycles if they want.
>
>I should be able to walk into your place of business with ebola -- shaking
>hands with and spreading droplets via my speaking. Or, delivering "take out".
>The fact that you'd lose a portion of your key staff shouldn't bother me,
>right? It's *their* fault for shaking my hand and letting me get that
>physically close to them...

A person or a business can require shirts, shoes, ties, hardhats, or
masks on their property. If they want.

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 01:57:21 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:

Texas is certainly warm and mostly dry, but recently had a historic
cold snap. They had blackouts.

Louisiana got hit hard, and it's warm and wet.

San Francisco is dense and chilly and damp but has had very low covid
rates. Half the cases in California are in LA and adjacent counties,
way in the south of the state. Cases are very low in the northern
counties.

If there is a geographic or weather pattern, it's not obvious to me.

[John Larkin]

The virus is basically not transmitted outdoors without close contact.
People can stay away from me if they want. I don't grab strangers.

[whit3rd]

On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 3:20:22 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

> People can social-distance if they want.

In a city? On a crowded bus? In an airliner?

> People can free-climb in
> Yosemite and ride motorcycles if they want.

I'd be willing to declare Yosemite off-limits if vulcanism reoccurred, though;
rescue missions are VERY MUCH inferior to prevention. It's the public good, you know.

> Texas eliminated their mask mandate about six weeks ago.

Yeah, but the Texas utilities commission eliminated their Oversight and Enforcement
efforts last year, which is why the report on what happened last winter, came from the Feds (FEMA).

"Texas copies no one, and no one copies Texas"

[Don Y]

On 4/22/2021 6:55 PM, whit3rd wrote:
> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 3:20:22 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

>> People can free-climb in
>> Yosemite and ride motorcycles if they want.
>
> I'd be willing to declare Yosemite off-limits if vulcanism reoccurred, though;
> rescue missions are VERY MUCH inferior to prevention. It's the public good, you know.

(sigh) We routinely have folks needing to be rescued (here) because
they got lost, failed to bring enough water for their planned hike,
crossed a flooded wash (and had their vehicle swept away), etc.

I, never having had to be thusly rescued, end up paying for their idiocy
(higher taxes to pay for services consumed by such idiots).

But, "they have a *right* to be stupid".

[Rick C]

That's a strange way to put it. If being stupid was a crime... imagine how full the jails would be then.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 3:53:30 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 18:22:30 +0100, Clive Arthur
> <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >On 22/04/2021 17:29, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> >> On 4/22/2021 18:18, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/04/22/mayoral-candidate-laurence-fox-get-your-mask-off-grow-some-balls/
> >>>
> >> I suppose your post is ironic, what an idiot this guy is - and he wants
> >> to be mayor of London, lol.
> >> Grow balls and don't wear a mask, insist on your right to spit whatever
> >> infection you are carrying to as many people you can reach.
> >> Such a moron.
> >
> >He's an actor, and he likes attention.
>
> Ideal politician. Inexperienced, which is even better.

Only if you thought that Ronald Reagan was an ideal politician. Of course Reagan wasn't inexperienced in politics - he'd been a union-busting management fink earlier in his career, demonstrating his capacity do exactly what he was told while looking as if he was standing up for his own (non-existent) principles.

> > The closest he'll ever get to Mayor of London is if he's offered the part of Dick Whittington in a Christmas panto. And he won't be.
>
> Hey, we elected Trump.

With a certain amount of help from Russian intervention in what turned out to be the three key states. As a country you rejected him by two million popular votes, but the idiot electoral college let him get in on a margin of some 80,000 Russian-influenced votes in the three states where Russia had posted a lot of pro-Trump propaganda on Facebook.

Not your finest hour. So far his incompetence has contributed to the deaths of 584,226 US citizens from Covid-19. Hillary Clinton might not have done better but she probably wouldn't dismantled the pandemic early warning system that Biden and Obama had set up. Taiwan had something like that, and their Covid-19 death rate is some 3500 times lower that the current US level.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 4:10:20 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 20:01:22 +0200, Sjouke Burry
> <burrynu...@ppllaanneett.nnll> wrote:

>
> >On 22.04.21 17:18, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >>
> >> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/04/22/mayoral-candidate-laurence-fox-get-your-mask-off-grow-some-balls/
> >

> >Ah! Discussion by link plonking.
> >Never explain why you are plonking.
>
> I'm not required to explain anything. If you don't like links, don't open them.

When a right-wing lunatic posts a link to Breitbart, which exists to feed right-wing lunatics the kind of deluded nonsense that make them feel happy, there's not a lot of point in them posting extra information.

Once you have advertised the fact that you are a right-wing lunatic you've done all you need to do. Lepers used to have to ring a bell at regular intervals, and shout "Unclean" from time to time. Posting a link to a Breitbart story - even if it pretends to be a news item, it's still just a story - does exactly the same job.

> But doesn't "plonk" mean killfile? What I did was plop.

In a particular narrow context, "plonking" does mean "killfile". This doesn't stop somebody saying that you have "plonked" misinformation into the discussion, with the implication that it wouldn't belong in any rational discussion, and Breitbart links are always horrid examples of misleading propaganda designed to appeal to gullible twits like John Larkin.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 9:40:42 AM UTC+10, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 6:20:22 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:05:52 -0700, Don Y
> > <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > >On 4/22/2021 2:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:

<snip>

> Don't know why I bother to point this out to anyone. It seems people who think like Larkin will only consider the numbers they want to look at.
> > I don't think anyone has explained the radical regional differences.
> No, every nuance in the numbers is not explained. We don't have perfect knowledge of what everyone does or doesn't do. It may be that people in Texas are currently more concerned and are wearing masks anyway. There may be a significant difference in the viral strains in the states.
>
> We have experts who are considering everything they can think of. It is very clear that wearing masks is better than not wearing masks. I would rather that we all wear masks when around other people to minimize the spread of the disease and that we minimize the contact as much as possible even with the masks and vaccine. There is no reason on this green earth why we should not try to get this disease under control like our Aussie friends have done. JUST like our Aussie friends have done.

Why not get ambitious and try to do as well as your Taiwanese friends had done?

Australia had a couple of screw-ups and has 35 per million dead of Covid-19. New Zealand did better and has had only 5 deaths per million. Taiwan held it's deaths down to 0.5 per million - that's eleven people and they were probably all returned travelers.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:57:49 -0700, Don Y
<blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

>
>"Ontario, Yukon, NW Territories, BC, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Quebec,
>New Brunswick, PEIsland, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia... which have I
>forgotten?"

Nunavut- it's about the size of Mexico. ;-) *

But how did you find an English-speaking taxi driver?

*yes it dates from 1999 so not 40 years ago.
--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

[Don Y]

Ah, this was in BC in ~1978. He was quite "vocal" about deriding
"americans" -- "We know a lot about YOUR country, but you know nothing
about ours!"

I'm not sure if that's a compliment or insult...

I *do* recall freaking out when the change back for my $10 was blue,
and pink, and all sorts of other weird "monopoly money" colors! :>

(How the hell am I going to get rid of THIS???)

[Martin Brown]

On 22/04/2021 16:18, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/04/22/mayoral-candidate-laurence-fox-get-your-mask-off-grow-some-balls/

He is a reactionary nutter who views old people and the unwaged as
expendable. It is a view I associate with US far right "think tanks".
He is in the UK news from time to time but not in a good way:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56665691

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/laurence-fox-crystal-tweet-defamation-b1827887.html

I think he spends way too much time watching Youtube.

He stands no chance of becoming mayor of London. He is presently neck
and neck in the running for the wooden spoon with "Count Binface".

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/count-binface-laurence-fox-london-mayor-b1835719.html

You only have to look at India or Brazil to see just how unwise he is.

Ironically growing balls definitely won't do you any good at all.
Finding an extra X chromosome just might. Women's immune systems are
much better than men's which is why Covid kills twice as many men.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 09:31:22 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

>On 22/04/2021 16:18, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>
>> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/04/22/mayoral-candidate-laurence-fox-get-your-mask-off-grow-some-balls/
>
>He is a reactionary nutter who views old people and the unwaged as
>expendable. It is a view I associate with US far right "think tanks".
>He is in the UK news from time to time but not in a good way:
>
>https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56665691
>
>https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/laurence-fox-crystal-tweet-defamation-b1827887.html
>
>I think he spends way too much time watching Youtube.
>
>He stands no chance of becoming mayor of London. He is presently neck
>and neck in the running for the wooden spoon with "Count Binface".
>
>https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/count-binface-laurence-fox-london-mayor-b1835719.html
>
>You only have to look at India or Brazil to see just how unwise he is.

How so?

It will be interesting to see how many votes he gets.

>
>Ironically growing balls definitely won't do you any good at all.
>Finding an extra X chromosome just might. Women's immune systems are
>much better than men's which is why Covid kills twice as many men.

Males are powerful and expendable; warfare and polygamy are natural
states.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 9:46:44 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 09:31:22 +0100, Martin Brown
> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >On 22/04/2021 16:18, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >>
> >> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/04/22/mayoral-candidate-laurence-fox-get-your-mask-off-grow-some-balls/
> >
> >He is a reactionary nutter who views old people and the unwaged as
> >expendable. It is a view I associate with US far right "think tanks".
> >He is in the UK news from time to time but not in a good way:
> >
> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56665691
> >
> >https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/laurence-fox-crystal-tweet-defamation-b1827887.html
> >
> >I think he spends way too much time watching Youtube.
> >
> >He stands no chance of becoming mayor of London. He is presently neck
> >and neck in the running for the wooden spoon with "Count Binface".
> >
> >https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/count-binface-laurence-fox-london-mayor-b1835719.html
> >
> >You only have to look at India or Brazil to see just how unwise he is.
>
> How so?
>
> It will be interesting to see how many votes he gets.

Or how few.

> >Ironically growing balls definitely won't do you any good at all.
> >Finding an extra X chromosome just might. Women's immune systems are
> >much better than men's which is why Covid kills twice as many men.
>
> Males are powerful and expendable; warfare and polygamy are natural states.

So are poverty and disease. Organising an unnaturally peaceful world sounds like a something well worth doing.

Polygamy hasn't got a lot going for it. The point about pair bonding is that children do better when both parents share the load of looking after them when the children are really young. Spreading one husband across a number of wives doesn't work as well.

More complicated arrangements - as in Sweden, where the taxpayers step into help when necessary - can work just as well, but it does place a burden on the rest of the community in the short term, even if strengthens the community over a longer term than knuckle-walking males can get their heads around.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 4/23/2021 14:46, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> ...

>>
>> Ironically growing balls definitely won't do you any good at all.
>> Finding an extra X chromosome just might. Women's immune systems are
>> much better than men's which is why Covid kills twice as many men.
>
> Males are powerful and expendable; warfare and polygamy are natural
> states.

As is trying to get warm inside the cave, yeah.
Of course we have all the animal legacy, but we have brains to put to
use as well.
Like not following our natural primitive urges towards polygamy so
we do not hurt our wives.
Warfare .... well, we are not that far yet to be able to avoid it.

[Rick C]

On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 7:46:44 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 09:31:22 +0100, Martin Brown
> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >On 22/04/2021 16:18, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >>
> >> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/04/22/mayoral-candidate-laurence-fox-get-your-mask-off-grow-some-balls/
> >
> >He is a reactionary nutter who views old people and the unwaged as
> >expendable. It is a view I associate with US far right "think tanks".
> >He is in the UK news from time to time but not in a good way:
> >
> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56665691
> >
> >https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/laurence-fox-crystal-tweet-defamation-b1827887.html
> >
> >I think he spends way too much time watching Youtube.
> >
> >He stands no chance of becoming mayor of London. He is presently neck
> >and neck in the running for the wooden spoon with "Count Binface".
> >
> >https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/count-binface-laurence-fox-london-mayor-b1835719.html
> >
> >You only have to look at India or Brazil to see just how unwise he is.
> How so?
>
> It will be interesting to see how many votes he gets.

Yeah, like carrot top.

> >Ironically growing balls definitely won't do you any good at all.
> >Finding an extra X chromosome just might. Women's immune systems are
> >much better than men's which is why Covid kills twice as many men.
> Males are powerful and expendable; warfare and polygamy are natural
> states.

Tell that to your wife!

--

Rick C.

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[Spehro Pefhany]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 16:00:57 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:

It's interesting to observe behavior in the face of a moderate threat
like COVID, which is serious but far from existential.

Apparently, one of the first instincts is to use the crisis to gain
maximum advantage over other groups of humans, through various means
such as propaganda. And very quickly, almost as if it was preplanned.

One wonders if there is a threshold above which most would cooperate
for the common good- it's certainly not millions dead, nor tens of
millions.

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 12:38:34 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
<spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

>On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 16:00:57 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 4/23/2021 14:46, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Ironically growing balls definitely won't do you any good at all.
>>>> Finding an extra X chromosome just might. Women's immune systems are
>>>> much better than men's which is why Covid kills twice as many men.
>>>
>>> Males are powerful and expendable; warfare and polygamy are natural
>>> states.
>>
>>As is trying to get warm inside the cave, yeah.
>>Of course we have all the animal legacy, but we have brains to put to
>>use as well.
>>Like not following our natural primitive urges towards polygamy so
>>we do not hurt our wives.
>>Warfare .... well, we are not that far yet to be able to avoid it.
>
>It's interesting to observe behavior in the face of a moderate threat
>like COVID, which is serious but far from existential.
>

Fear is a social dynamic, one of the "Madness of crowds."

>Apparently, one of the first instincts is to use the crisis to gain
>maximum advantage over other groups of humans, through various means
>such as propaganda. And very quickly, almost as if it was preplanned.

Never let a crisis go to waste.

>
>One wonders if there is a threshold above which most would cooperate
>for the common good- it's certainly not millions dead, nor tens of
>millions.

Cooperation killed hundreds of millions last century.

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 4/23/2021 19:38, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 16:00:57 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/23/2021 14:46, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Ironically growing balls definitely won't do you any good at all.
>>>> Finding an extra X chromosome just might. Women's immune systems are
>>>> much better than men's which is why Covid kills twice as many men.
>>>
>>> Males are powerful and expendable; warfare and polygamy are natural
>>> states.
>>
>> As is trying to get warm inside the cave, yeah.
>> Of course we have all the animal legacy, but we have brains to put to
>> use as well.
>> Like not following our natural primitive urges towards polygamy so
>> we do not hurt our wives.
>> Warfare .... well, we are not that far yet to be able to avoid it.
>
> It's interesting to observe behavior in the face of a moderate threat
> like COVID, which is serious but far from existential.
>
> Apparently, one of the first instincts is to use the crisis to gain
> maximum advantage over other groups of humans, through various means
> such as propaganda. And very quickly, almost as if it was preplanned.

The propaganda trolls are simply waiting for the next trigger for them
to get started. We all know what they will say before they have even
thought of it yet here they are. I don't think the pandemic made much
of a difference.

>
> One wonders if there is a threshold above which most would cooperate
> for the common good- it's certainly not millions dead, nor tens of
> millions.
>

I am not sure there is. I expect even in a global catastrophy scenario,
asteroid kill all event, alien invasion, you name it,we will still be
"my family first" driven, this is how we function. Not that bad I
suppose, if we were too cooperative we would lose the incentive to
invent means to stay on top and thus turn into... well, non-living
matter I guess.

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 09:52:47 -0700, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

>
>Cooperation killed hundreds of millions last century.

Cooperation to murder, incinerate and starve a sizeable fraction of
humankind, and allow to drown and die of disease in preventable
flooding? Such a proud legacy humans have.

[John Larkin]

I think tribes are fundamentally racist and competitive. They pick
some shared feature (color, language, religion, things like that) to
define "other", and compete for resources and territory and power.

Nowadays, some races and countries still do that a lot.

Once we have adequate resources, we'll have to find a way to reduce
tribalism.

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 21:16:55 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com>

Humans have enough technology now that we can cooperate to create
resources, not cpmpete to kill one another for them.

Hunter-gatherers didn't have our options.

[Dimiter_Popoff]

Oh kill each other and stay on top are very different things.
And we still kill each other in order to stay on top.
Not sure how it was for hunters-gatherers but for us it is
"my family first". Of course we do a lot of "second" things, too.

[Tom Gardner]

On 23/04/21 12:46, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 09:31:22 +0100, Martin Brown
> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>

>> On 22/04/2021 16:18,jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/04/22/mayoral-candidate-laurence-fox-get-your-mask-off-grow-some-balls/
>> He is a reactionary nutter who views old people and the unwaged as
>> expendable. It is a view I associate with US far right "think tanks".
>> He is in the UK news from time to time but not in a good way:
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56665691
>>
>> https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/laurence-fox-crystal-tweet-defamation-b1827887.html
>>
>> I think he spends way too much time watching Youtube.
>>
>> He stands no chance of becoming mayor of London. He is presently neck
>> and neck in the running for the wooden spoon with "Count Binface".
>>
>> https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/count-binface-laurence-fox-london-mayor-b1835719.html
>>
>> You only have to look at India or Brazil to see just how unwise he is.
> How so?
>
> It will be interesting to see how many votes he gets.

The gold standard over here used to be "more or less
than the Monster Raving Loony Party candidate".

[Tom Gardner]

On 23/04/21 17:52, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> Never let a crisis go to waste.

That's what the Tory party is doing, the incompetent bastards.

[whit3rd]

On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 9:52:52 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> Fear is a social dynamic, one of the "Madness of crowds."

Not true. It's an emotion, one of the
things that move people.

> >Apparently, one of the first instincts is to use the crisis to gain
> >maximum advantage over other groups of humans, through various means
> >such as propaganda.

That's not fear, that's 'affect', a personality trait.

> And very quickly, almost as if it was preplanned.
> Never let a crisis go to waste.

Oh, it's easy to be arrogant and dismissive (it wouldn't be such
a common response otherwise) but it's a terribly ineffective way to
act in the face of an unfolding situation. You could, for instance,
bungle a health crisis by that kind of posturing. Fear is
a useful component of personality. Affect, I'm not so sure of.

Arrogance, maybe has purpose. Dismissive, though, I'm sure is not useful.

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

Politics is one of many professions where increasing experience
reduces competence.

[Bill Sloman]

Seems unlikely. Admittedly Trump was incompetent when he came to power, and the experience he got when in power didn't make him any more competent, but the implication there is that there wasn't any initial competence to reduce.

A more realistic point of view is that incompetent people who manage to stumble into power - as Trump did after the Koch brothers had wrecked the Republican Party with the Tea Party movement - get to demonstrate their incompetence in a more demanding environment than they've previously been exposed to and get shown up as incompetent to a larger audience. Trump's incompetence as a property developer was demonstrated by a series of six huge bankruptcies between 1991 and 2009, which is why he ended up taking the gig on "The Apprentice". Nobody would touch his property deals.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 2:38:43 AM UTC+10, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 16:00:57 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com>
> wrote:
> >On 4/23/2021 14:46, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> ...
> >>> Ironically growing balls definitely won't do you any good at all.
> >>> Finding an extra X chromosome just might. Women's immune systems are
> >>> much better than men's which is why Covid kills twice as many men.
> >>
> >> Males are powerful and expendable; warfare and polygamy are natural
> >> states.
> >
> >As is trying to get warm inside the cave, yeah.
> >Of course we have all the animal legacy, but we have brains to put to
> >use as well.
> >Like not following our natural primitive urges towards polygamy so
> >we do not hurt our wives.
> >Warfare .... well, we are not that far yet to be able to avoid it.
>
> It's interesting to observe behavior in the face of a moderate threat
> like COVID, which is serious but far from existential.
>
> Apparently, one of the first instincts is to use the crisis to gain
> maximum advantage over other groups of humans, through various means
> such as propaganda. And very quickly, almost as if it was preplanned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine

> One wonders if there is a threshold above which most would cooperate
> for the common good- it's certainly not millions dead, nor tens of
> millions.

It's probably where the crisis threatens to kill off everybody, including even the immediate families of the most rabid and power-hungry megalomaniacs around.

Anything short of that and you will see the Donald Trumps, Jair Bolsonaros and Boris Johnsons of this world concentrating on their short term advantage.

All three of them caught Covid-19 and sadly, it didn't kill any of them.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[whit3rd]

On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 7:52:39 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> Politics is one of many professions where increasing experience
> reduces competence.

How does this explain Teddy Roosevelt?
Harry Truman?
Donald Trump?

I'm not seeing any connections, myself.

[Martin Brown]

On 23/04/2021 12:46, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 09:31:22 +0100, Martin Brown
> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 22/04/2021 16:18, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/04/22/mayoral-candidate-laurence-fox-get-your-mask-off-grow-some-balls/
>>
>> He is a reactionary nutter who views old people and the unwaged as
>> expendable. It is a view I associate with US far right "think tanks".
>> He is in the UK news from time to time but not in a good way:
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56665691
>>
>> https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/laurence-fox-crystal-tweet-defamation-b1827887.html
>>
>> I think he spends way too much time watching Youtube.
>>
>> He stands no chance of becoming mayor of London. He is presently neck
>> and neck in the running for the wooden spoon with "Count Binface".
>>
>> https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/count-binface-laurence-fox-london-mayor-b1835719.html
>>
>> You only have to look at India or Brazil to see just how unwise he is.
>
> How so?

They illustrate so clearly what happens with an idiot in charge. Holding
huge political rallies during a pandemic - what could possibly go wrong?

> It will be interesting to see how many votes he gets.

He is on target to be beaten by all of the other loony candidates.

There is a history of UK cities having elected mayors foisted on them by
central government making perverse choices. Most notably when Hartlepool
elected their football team's mascot "Hangus the Monkey" as mayor back
in 2002. He proved to be quite good at it and served a second and then
third term. His initial policy was a banana for every school child. His
final action was to abolish the position of elected mayor of Hartlepool.

He narrowly beat all the serious politicians to unexpectedly win outright.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2002/may/03/football.politics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Drummond

Hangus the Monkey refers to a monkey that was hung as a French spy
during the Napoleonic wars because it didn't speak English.

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/The-Hanging-of-the-Hartlepool-Monkey/

>> Ironically growing balls definitely won't do you any good at all.
>> Finding an extra X chromosome just might. Women's immune systems are
>> much better than men's which is why Covid kills twice as many men.
>
> Males are powerful and expendable; warfare and polygamy are natural
> states.

Not all that powerful and definitely more prone to man-flu.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 23:07:40 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 7:52:39 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>> Politics is one of many professions where increasing experience
>> reduces competence.
>
>How does this explain Teddy Roosevelt?
>Harry Truman?
>Donald Trump?

All had previous careers; none were lifetime politicians. Trump ran
for political office just once.

Many politicians come from politician families, so have basically
lifetimes of political experience.

The worst ones ran for high school class president and were
politicians their whole lives. All they got good at was being elected.
Well, and getting rich somehow.

>
>I'm not seeing any connections, myself.

Someone who knew said that "Biden has had 40 years of foreign policy
experience and has always been wrong."

[whit3rd]

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 8:53:38 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 23:07:40 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 7:52:39 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >
> >> Politics is one of many professions where increasing experience
> >> reduces competence.

> >How does this explain Teddy Roosevelt?
> >Harry Truman?
> >Donald Trump?

> All had previous careers; none were lifetime politicians. Trump ran
> for political office just once.

So, no connection at all? There's no delta-competence measure,
nor delta-experience measure, so we don't perceive the sign of that
derivative.

[Rick C]

Sometimes I think if Larkin didn't participate in so many off topic threads this group would not have an off topic problem. It seems like Larkin is the caller in a call-response dialog. He says something stupid and some number of people respond telling him how stupid it is. It's not really a meaningful conversation because he doesn't really want to discuss the issue. He just throws his turds in the punch bowl for the fun of it.

--

Rick C.

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[Dimiter_Popoff]

But this is a significant part of what keeps the group so much alive.
He is very good at being provocative and I don't think the group would
be the same if he stopped doing it. In fact I think the group would
recede into the odd on topic post once or twice a month when everybody
repeats what has been said in years past once or twice then silence,
similar to CAE, CAFPGA etc.
Few may agree with his political posts (rightly so IMO) but this is
what keeps the pub... oops, group, going :-).

Dimiter

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 00:25:20 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:

>On 4/24/2021 22:42, Rick C wrote:
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 8:53:38 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 23:07:40 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 7:52:39 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Politics is one of many professions where increasing experience
>>>>>> reduces competence.
>>>
>>>>> How does this explain Teddy Roosevelt?
>>>>> Harry Truman?
>>>>> Donald Trump?
>>>
>>>> All had previous careers; none were lifetime politicians. Trump ran
>>>> for political office just once.
>>> So, no connection at all? There's no delta-competence measure,
>>> nor delta-experience measure, so we don't perceive the sign of that
>>> derivative.
>>
>> Sometimes I think if Larkin didn't participate in so many off topic threads this group would not have an off topic problem. It seems like Larkin is the caller in a call-response dialog. He says something stupid and some number of people respond telling him how stupid it is. It's not really a meaningful conversation because he doesn't really want to discuss the issue. He just throws his turds in the punch bowl for the fun of it.
>>
>
>But this is a significant part of what keeps the group so much alive.
>He is very good at being provocative and I don't think the group would
>be the same if he stopped doing it.

Things that I think are interesting, or funny, other people find
provocative or worse.

It is hard to get people started on a serious discussion of anything,
including electronics. Most people here are here to argue and sneer
and insult; creatures of emotion, and not very nice emotion.

In fact I think the group would
>recede into the odd on topic post once or twice a month when everybody
>repeats what has been said in years past once or twice then silence,
>similar to CAE, CAFPGA etc.
>Few may agree with his political posts (rightly so IMO) but this is
>what keeps the pub... oops, group, going :-).
>
>Dimiter

[Dimiter_Popoff]

Nothing wrong with being provocative I think, deliberately or not.

>
> It is hard to get people started on a serious discussion of anything,
> including electronics.

Well group talk is no replacement for doing one's work but posts here
have been useful, even a not-so-regular like me can see that. Of course
there is plenty of noise, so what. Not difficult to navigate through.

? Most people here are here to argue and sneer

> and insult; creatures of emotion, and not very nice emotion.
>

All part of pub life I suppose :-). Can't be all bad having survived
for as long as this groups has.

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 02:30:38 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com>

It does provoke discussion, sometimes.

>
>>
>> It is hard to get people started on a serious discussion of anything,
>> including electronics.
>
>Well group talk is no replacement for doing one's work but posts here
>have been useful, even a not-so-regular like me can see that. Of course
>there is plenty of noise, so what. Not difficult to navigate through.
>
>? Most people here are here to argue and sneer
>> and insult; creatures of emotion, and not very nice emotion.
>>
>
>All part of pub life I suppose :-). Can't be all bad having survived
>for as long as this groups has.

Pubs are different. People rarely behave this badly in the physical
presence of other people; at least not many times.

[Dimiter_Popoff]

True. May be I should have said e-pub life....

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 8:20:41 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 00:25:20 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
> >On 4/24/2021 22:42, Rick C wrote:
> >> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 8:53:38 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 23:07:40 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 7:52:39 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

<snip>

> >> Sometimes I think if Larkin didn't participate in so many off topic threads this group would not have an off topic problem. It seems like Larkin is the caller in a call-response dialog. He says something stupid and some number of people respond telling him how stupid it is. It's not really a meaningful conversation because he doesn't really want to discuss the issue. He just throws his turds in the punch bowl for the fun of it.
> >>
> >
> >But this is a significant part of what keeps the group so much alive.
> >He is very good at being provocative and I don't think the group would be the same if he stopped doing it.

Not so much provocative as gullible and ignorant.

> Things that I think are interesting, or funny, other people find provocative or worse.

More ignorant and ill-informed.

> It is hard to get people started on a serious discussion of anything, including electronics.

John's idea of a serious discussion is one in which he frequently gets told how wonderful he is.

> Most people here are here to argue and sneer and insult; creatures of emotion, and not very nice emotion.

If John Larkin isn't fed the flattery he imagines he deserves, and does seem to expect, he feels that he is being sneered at and insulted. Since he seems to be incapable of realising how how ill-informed and half-baked most of his ideas are, he treats perfectly reasonable criticism as some kind of malicious assault.

> >In fact I think the group would recede into the odd on topic post once or twice a month when everybody repeats what has been said in years past once or twice then silence, similar to CAE, CAFPGA etc.
> >Few may agree with his political posts (rightly so IMO) but this is what keeps the pub... oops, group, going :-).

Being rude about John's silly ideas more a duty than a reward.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Rick C]

I don't have a problem with a discussion, but he actually isn't interested in a real discussion. He is either just looking to stir the pot or maybe as Bill says, he is looking for someone to stoke his ego.

His discussions of scientific issues outside of his narrow field of expertise are pretty much all the same. The experts know nothing. What they do know is wrong. He has incredible insights into the topic that others need to follow up with rather than their own research. Larkin reminds me of Trump in many ways.

His posts aren't really discussion, he is more like the village idiot getting drunk at the pub and proclaiming he is the mayor.

--

Rick C.

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[bitrex]

These off-topic discussions in the "e-pub" would've escalated to gunfire
ages ago in real life:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THqDidIr4Xs>

[Robert Latest]

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> Politics is one of many professions where increasing experience
> reduces competence.

with the important quality that the politician (or any decision maker in any
organization) is aware of their limitations and appoint expert staff
accordingly.

Autocratic leaders appoint yes-men only to reinforce their incompetence.

--
robert

[jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com]

On 26 Apr 2021 07:56:47 GMT, Robert Latest <bobl...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> Politics is one of many professions where increasing experience
>> reduces competence.
>
>with the important quality that the politician (or any decision maker in any
>organization) is aware of their limitations and appoint expert staff
>accordingly.

Of course they select the staff that aligns with their views.

One common career path is

Liberal arts degree, especially political science

Maybe brief term as bartender or barista

Intern or election worker for local politician, unpaid

Work up the chain of political staffers

Run for political office

Have your own staff.

>
>Autocratic leaders appoint yes-men only to reinforce their incompetence.

Exactly. Congress is a closed system with expertise acquired from
peers... not from reality.

Texas does it better.

[whit3rd]

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 8:05:00 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On 26 Apr 2021 07:56:47 GMT, Robert Latest <bobl...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:

> >Autocratic leaders appoint yes-men only to reinforce their incompetence.

> Exactly. Congress is a closed system with expertise acquired from
> peers... not from reality.

Huh? Congress is not autocratic. Congress has subpoena power and
can call up expertise through the Library of Congress and other institutions.
It's not 'closed' in any informatic sense.

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <490be4f5-5936-475a...@googlegroups.com>,
whi...@gmail.com says...

>
> > Exactly. Congress is a closed system with expertise acquired from
> > peers... not from reality.
>
> Huh? Congress is not autocratic. Congress has subpoena power and
> can call up expertise through the Library of Congress and other institutions.
> It's not 'closed' in any informatic sense.
>
>

They are very well informed like the congress woman that was concerened
that building a military base on an island might cause it to sink.

The main job for most people in government is to get reelected. They
will say whatever it takes to get them reelected.

[John Larkin]

It takes decades to accumulate seniority to get real power. Meanwhile,
they learn everything they know from their senior politicians.

[Rick C]

That must be why it took Obama so long to rise to power. Wait, didn't people complain that he had so little time in the Senate? Where did he learn how to become a two term President. I guess the same place as Trmp. Wait, Trmp was only a 1 termer. Oh, well.

--

Rick C.

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[Ralph Mowery]

In article <9n4e8gdjkdbjvqrg7...@4ax.com>,
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com says...

>
> It takes decades to accumulate seniority to get real power. Meanwhile,
> they learn everything they know from their senior politicians.
>
>
>

It may, but look at AOC. She has made many headlines in her first term.
She may not have any real power,but the news people is behind her and
that is what counts.

I bet more people know of AOC than they do of their own congress man and
women. Seems that there are about 10 or so congress people in the news
all the time and many are never heard from.

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <8430ae61-93eb-447e...@googlegroups.com>,
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com says...

> > >
> > It takes decades to accumulate seniority to get real power. Meanwhile,
> > they learn everything they know from their senior politicians.
>
> That must be why it took Obama so long to rise to power. Wait, didn't people complain that he had so little time in the Senate? Where did he learn how to become a two term President. I guess the same place as Trmp. Wait, Trmp was only a 1 termer. Oh, well.
>
>
>

Where did that vice president come from ? Never heard of her before.
Trump was well known by being on tv for many years. He also was known
in person by a few of the ones in power.

[Rick C]

I think it is very clear that no one really knew Trmp. We do now though. He will never see the inside of the White House again unless he signs up for a tour.

--

Rick C.

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