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John Larkin

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Feb 3, 2012, 11:32:01 AM2/3/12
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095509/Eastern-European-death-toll-hits-150-big-freeze-continues-continent.html


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Bill Sloman

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Feb 3, 2012, 12:19:38 PM2/3/12
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On Feb 3, 5:32 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095509/Eastern-European-deat...

But lousy weather. We had another couple of inches of snow this
afternoon and its cold.

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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Jan Panteltje

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Feb 3, 2012, 12:53:28 PM2/3/12
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On a sunny day (Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:32:01 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
<ev2oi7l9q8restdqi...@4ax.com>:

>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095509/Eastern-European-death-toll-hits-150-big-freeze-continues-continent.html

It was snowing here too, minus 9°C seen,
lower expected, maybe -13°C in the weekend.
The wind is east and carries all that cold here.
3 cm snow so far.
It is not so bad, in the afternoon the thermostat switches of the heating
as the sun is in my window in the south, and it still is above 21 C.
Good weather to sit behind the keyboard...
Too flat land for skying here.



Okkim Atnarivik

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Feb 3, 2012, 1:18:55 PM2/3/12
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Beautiful pictures indeed! We are having the annual cold spell
which occurs when the siberian cold airmass moves westwards. This
time the airmass seems to have taken a slightly more southern
route, as it is not as cold here in north as it could have been,
-15C maybe, with -20C predicted for the weekend.

Didn't Martin Brown mention in some of his recent post that
the more exposed arctic seawater changes wind patterns to a
more southward course? Don't know if this is what's happening
but (without checking) sure looks like it.

Regards,
Mikko

George Herold

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Feb 3, 2012, 1:15:06 PM2/3/12
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On Feb 3, 12:53 pm, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:32:01 -0800) it happened John Larkin
> <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
> <ev2oi7l9q8restdqij4vroj7vsorcno...@4ax.com>:
>
>
>
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095509/Eastern-European-deat...
>
> It was snowing here too, minus 9°C seen,
> lower expected, maybe -13°C in the weekend.
> The wind is east and carries all that cold here.
> 3 cm snow so far.
> It is not so bad, in the afternoon the thermostat switches of the heating
> as the sun is in my window in the south, and it still is above 21 C.
> Good weather to sit behind the keyboard...
> Too flat land for skying here.

X-contry sking, perhaps.

It's been the worst (warmest) winter I can remember here. Dang,
Pacific air is keeping the temperature above freezing. Only a little
bit of snow, and we are usually good for 10 feet at least. I've had
the snow plow down the driveway exactly once. And I needn't have
bothered, the snow melted in a few days anyway.
Perhaps you all could 'flap some butterfly wings' over there and push
the wiggle in the jet stream back around to my hemishpere.

George H.

Okkim Atnarivik

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Feb 3, 2012, 1:48:37 PM2/3/12
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Okkim Atnarivik wrote:
>Didn't Martin Brown mention in some of his recent post that
>the more exposed arctic seawater changes wind patterns to
>a more southward course?

Checking from here http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/
see in the "Northern Hemisphere / 30-day animation" how a
snowy finger extends from Russia to the southern Europe,
while northern Germany and even southern Sweden are
left green.

That is an ugly surprise to those poor southerners who
aren't accustomed to it - I hope they'll manage.

Simultaneously the "N. hemispheric ice area" plot in the
same web page indicates receeding polar ice cap compared
to previous years. But I guess it is too simplistic to
stare at one single correlation only, when the system
is as complicated as weather.

Regards,
Mikko

Bill Sloman

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Feb 3, 2012, 6:27:53 PM2/3/12
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On Feb 3, 7:18 pm, Okkim Atnarivik
Search on Barents-Kara Sea Ice. The paper came out in 2010

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2010/2009JD013568.shtml

I think this is the content. It's been posted here before.

http://eprints.ifm-geomar.de/8738/1/2009JD013568-pip.pdf

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Mark Zenier

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Feb 5, 2012, 12:52:03 PM2/5/12
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In article <jgha65$a4t$2...@epityr.hut.fi>,
The 17 December New Scientist had an article on this (with
references to journal articles).

Executive summary: the polar weather system is driven by the temperature
difference. The greater the difference, the tighter the polar jet stream
constrains the weather to the pole. The lower the difference gets, as
the north warms, the looser the jet stream gets, wandering down south
in big loops bringing the polar weather with it.


Mark Zenier mze...@eskimo.com
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

John Larkin

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Feb 6, 2012, 2:02:47 PM2/6/12
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 17:52:03 GMT, mze...@eskimo.com (Mark Zenier)
wrote:
Climatologists are great at predicting things that have already
happened.


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jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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Ken S. Tucker

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Feb 6, 2012, 4:17:03 PM2/6/12
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On Feb 3, 8:32 am, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095509/Eastern-European-deat...

Deaths more likely in the thousands as the side effects such as
pneumonia
and flu result from cold poorly insulated homes.
Here in south central BC, winter has been average.
Ken



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Bill Sloman

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Feb 6, 2012, 5:55:24 PM2/6/12
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On Feb 6, 8:02 pm, John Larkin <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 17:52:03 GMT, mzen...@eskimo.com (Mark Zenier)
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >In article <jgha65$a4...@epityr.hut.fi>,
> >Okkim Atnarivik  <Okkim.Atnari...@twentyfour.fi.invalid> wrote:
> >>Okkim Atnarivik wrote:
> >>>Didn't Martin Brown mention in some of his recent post that
> >>>the more exposed arctic seawater changes wind patterns to
> >>>a more southward course?
>
> >>Checking from herehttp://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/
> >>see in the "Northern Hemisphere / 30-day animation" how a
> >>snowy finger extends from Russia to the southern Europe,
> >>while northern Germany and even southern Sweden are
> >>left green.
>
> >>That is an ugly surprise to those poor southerners who
> >>aren't accustomed to it - I hope they'll manage.
>
> >>Simultaneously the "N. hemispheric ice area" plot in the
> >>same web page indicates receeding polar ice cap compared
> >>to previous years. But I guess it is too simplistic to
> >>stare at one single correlation only, when the system
> >>is as complicated as weather.
>
> >>  Regards,
> >>             Mikko
>
> >The 17 December New Scientist had an article on this (with
> >references to journal articles).
>
> >Executive summary: the polar weather system is driven by the temperature
> >difference.  The greater the difference, the tighter the polar jet stream
> >constrains the weather to the pole.  The lower the difference gets, as
> >the north warms, the looser the jet stream gets, wandering down south
> >in big loops bringing the polar weather with it.
>
> Climatologists are great at predicting things that have already
> happened.

Not in this particular case. The paper had been submitted before the
cold snap in the winter 2009-2010, though it took a few months to get
published.

The authors had gotten interested in the common features of a couple
of earlier cold winters - IIRR 1946 and 1976 - and had realised that
the then rare condition of having relatively ice-free Barents and Kara
Seas was going to happen more often as global warming progressed.

As usual, you didn't know what you were talking about.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen


k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

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Feb 6, 2012, 8:26:47 PM2/6/12
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They can't even do that without fudging the data.

amdx

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Feb 6, 2012, 8:33:31 PM2/6/12
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Now John, you can't tell me that your post wasn't designed to tweak
Sloman any less than my "If NASA scientists are right the Thames will be
freezing over again" thread!
Mikek



On 2/3/2012 10:32 AM, John Larkin wrote:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095509/Eastern-European-death-toll-hits-150-big-freeze-continues-continent.html
>
>

John Larkin

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Feb 6, 2012, 8:59:26 PM2/6/12
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On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:33:31 -0600, amdx <am...@knologynotthis.net>
wrote:

> Now John, you can't tell me that your post wasn't designed to tweak
>Sloman any less than my "If NASA scientists are right the Thames will be
>freezing over again" thread!
> Mikek
>
>

I thought they were beautiful pictures. And Sloman is self-tweaking
anyhow.


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John Larkin, President
Highland Technology, Inc

jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links

amdx

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Feb 6, 2012, 9:04:54 PM2/6/12
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On 2/6/2012 7:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:33:31 -0600, amdx<am...@knologynotthis.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Now John, you can't tell me that your post wasn't designed to tweak
>> Sloman any less than my "If NASA scientists are right the Thames will be
>> freezing over again" thread!
>> Mikek
>>
>>
>
> I thought they were beautiful pictures. And Sloman is self-tweaking
> anyhow.
>
>
Yes they are neat pictures! But still... :-)
Mikek

Bill Sloman

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Feb 6, 2012, 11:18:50 PM2/6/12
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On Feb 7, 2:59 am, John Larkin <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:33:31 -0600, amdx <a...@knologynotthis.net>
> wrote:
>
> >   Now John, you can't tell me that your post wasn't designed to tweak
> >Sloman any less than my "If NASA scientists are right the Thames will be
> >freezing over again" thread!
> >                Mikek
>
> I thought they were beautiful pictures. And Sloman is self-tweaking
> anyhow.

They were nice pictures. And if if they were intended to irritate me,
the pictures obviously failed.

That took John Larkin posting one more of his dumb misapprehensions.

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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Bill Sloman

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Feb 6, 2012, 11:15:30 PM2/6/12
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On Feb 7, 2:26 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz>
wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 11:02:47 -0800, John Larkin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> >On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 17:52:03 GMT, mzen...@eskimo.com (Mark Zenier)
> >wrote:
>
> >>In article <jgha65$a4...@epityr.hut.fi>,
> >>Okkim Atnarivik  <Okkim.Atnari...@twentyfour.fi.invalid> wrote:
> >>>Okkim Atnarivik wrote:
> >>>>Didn't Martin Brown mention in some of his recent post that
> >>>>the more exposed arctic seawater changes wind patterns to
> >>>>a more southward course?
>
> >>>Checking from herehttp://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/
> >>>see in the "Northern Hemisphere / 30-day animation" how a
> >>>snowy finger extends from Russia to the southern Europe,
> >>>while northern Germany and even southern Sweden are
> >>>left green.
>
> >>>That is an ugly surprise to those poor southerners who
> >>>aren't accustomed to it - I hope they'll manage.
>
> >>>Simultaneously the "N. hemispheric ice area" plot in the
> >>>same web page indicates receeding polar ice cap compared
> >>>to previous years. But I guess it is too simplistic to
> >>>stare at one single correlation only, when the system
> >>>is as complicated as weather.
>
> >>>  Regards,
> >>>             Mikko
>
> >>The 17 December New Scientist had an article on this (with
> >>references to journal articles).
>
> >>Executive summary: the polar weather system is driven by the temperature
> >>difference.  The greater the difference, the tighter the polar jet stream
> >>constrains the weather to the pole.  The lower the difference gets, as
> >>the north warms, the looser the jet stream gets, wandering down south
> >>in big loops bringing the polar weather with it.
>
> >Climatologists are great at predicting things that have already
> >happened.
>
> They can't even do that without fudging the data.

Don't be silly.

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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

amdx

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Feb 7, 2012, 7:16:02 AM2/7/12
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On 2/6/2012 3:17 PM, Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> On Feb 3, 8:32 am, John Larkin
> <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095509/Eastern-European-deat...
>

> Deaths more likely in the thousands as the side effects such as
> pneumonia and flu result from cold poorly insulated homes.

> Ken

If poorly insulated homes cause pneumonia and flu, I'm surprised the
Inuits living in igloos have not become extinct.
Mikek

John Larkin

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Feb 7, 2012, 1:13:22 PM2/7/12
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On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:04:54 -0600, amdx <am...@knologynotthis.net>
wrote:
The AGW thing is interesting to me because I'm always amused by
pathological science. A big part of engineering is separating
causalities from superstition; we run into that problem roughly
weekly.

Bill Sloman

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Feb 7, 2012, 6:11:58 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 7, 7:13 pm, John Larkin <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:04:54 -0600, amdx <a...@knologynotthis.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 2/6/2012 7:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> >> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:33:31 -0600, amdx<a...@knologynotthis.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>    Now John, you can't tell me that your post wasn't designed to tweak
> >>> Sloman any less than my "If NASA scientists are right the Thames will be
> >>> freezing over again" thread!
> >>>                 Mikek
>
> >> I thought they were beautiful pictures. And Sloman is self-tweaking
> >> anyhow.
>
> >  Yes they are neat pictures!  But still... :-)
> >                              Mikek
>
> The AGW thing is interesting to me because I'm always amused by
> pathological science. A big part of engineering is separating
> causalities from superstition; we run into that problem roughly
> weekly.

Granting your superstitious approach to anthropogenic global warming,
it's not surprising that you have so much trouble with day-to-day
engineering.

The only pathological science involved in anthropogenic global warming
is the pseudo-science peddled by the denialist propaganda machine, and
you really do have a nose for that - you posts on the subject seem
concentrate on retailing the more ridiculous claims that they come up
with.

If you are equally gullible about half-baked engineering rules of
thumb it's not surprising that they you get into trouble every week.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

amdx

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Feb 9, 2012, 10:44:51 AM2/9/12
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On 2/7/2012 12:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:04:54 -0600, amdx<am...@knologynotthis.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/6/2012 7:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:33:31 -0600, amdx<am...@knologynotthis.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now John, you can't tell me that your post wasn't designed to tweak
>>>> Sloman any less than my "If NASA scientists are right the Thames will be
>>>> freezing over again" thread!
>>>> Mikek
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I thought they were beautiful pictures. And Sloman is self-tweaking
>>> anyhow.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes they are neat pictures! But still... :-)
>> Mikek
>
> The AGW thing is interesting to me because I'm always amused by
> pathological science. A big part of engineering is separating
> causalities from superstition; we run into that problem roughly
> weekly.
>
>
http://mccrarey.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/climate-gate-cartoon-2.jpg

Mikek

Bill Sloman

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Feb 9, 2012, 12:44:43 PM2/9/12
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On Feb 9, 4:44 pm, amdx <a...@knologynotthis.net> wrote:
> On 2/7/2012 12:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:04:54 -0600, amdx<a...@knologynotthis.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On 2/6/2012 7:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:33:31 -0600, amdx<a...@knologynotthis.net>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>>     Now John, you can't tell me that your post wasn't designed to tweak
> >>>> Sloman any less than my "If NASA scientists are right the Thames will be
> >>>> freezing over again" thread!
> >>>>                  Mikek
>
> >>> I thought they were beautiful pictures. And Sloman is self-tweaking
> >>> anyhow.
>
> >>   Yes they are neat pictures!  But still... :-)
> >>                               Mikek
>
> > The AGW thing is interesting to me because I'm always amused by
> > pathological science. A big part of engineering is separating
> > causalities from superstition; we run into that problem roughly
> > weekly.
>
> http://mccrarey.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/climate-gate-cartoon-2...

What a pity it isn't true.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

josephkk

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Feb 10, 2012, 12:04:08 AM2/10/12
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josephkk

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Feb 10, 2012, 12:06:50 AM2/10/12
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:16:02 -0600, amdx <am...@knologynotthis.net> wrote:

Oops clicked in the wrong place.

Snow happens to be a pretty good insulator. Igloos are not all that
uncomfortable. Not exactly warm, but not all that cold either.

?-)

Ken S. Tucker

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Feb 10, 2012, 5:18:06 AM2/10/12
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On Feb 9, 9:06 pm, josephkk <joseph_barr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I think Mikek's comment was facetious, a group of Britsies get
stranded
in the arctic just die, an Eskimo couple in the same circumstance will
become 7 in 5 years. Europs don't know much about ventilation vs
germs,
they don't usually need to.
Ken

Bill Sloman

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Feb 10, 2012, 10:27:29 AM2/10/12
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On Feb 10, 11:18 am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 9:06 pm, josephkk <joseph_barr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:16:02 -0600, amdx <a...@knologynotthis.net> wrote:
> > >On 2/6/2012 3:17 PM, Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> > >> On Feb 3, 8:32 am, John Larkin
> > >> <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com>  wrote:
>
> > >>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095509/Eastern-European-deat...
>
> > >> Deaths more likely in the thousands as the side effects such as
> > >> pneumonia and flu result from cold poorly insulated homes.
>
> > >> Ken
>
> > >    If poorly insulated homes cause pneumonia and flu, I'm surprised the
> > >Inuits living in igloos have not become extinct.
> > >                             Mikek
>
> > Oops clicked in the wrong place.
>
> > Snow happens to be a pretty good insulator.  Igloos are not all that
> > uncomfortable.  Not exactly warm, but not all that cold either.
> > ?-)
>
> I think Mikek's comment was facetious, a group of Britsies get
> stranded in the arctic just die,

The last group of "Britisies" that got stranded in the Arctic and died
would be the Franklin expedition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin%27s_lost_expedition

There's some debate whether they died from lead poisoning - their
bones did contain quite a lot of lead - or vitamin A poisoning from
eating too much polar bear liver. Pneumonia may have been what finally
did them in, but if it was it was merely the coup de grace.

http://www.science20.com/chatter_box/history_mysteries_1_who_shot_tomatoes-80506

> an Eskimo couple in the same circumstance will
> become 7 in 5 years. Europs don't know much about ventilation vs
> germs, they don't usually need to.

That doesn't seem to have been the problem.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

ehsjr

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Feb 10, 2012, 12:12:47 PM2/10/12
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The link above doesn't work:

"Oops. Something has gone horribly wrong. It will probably go away if
you refresh but the administrators have been notified just in case."

Got a better one?
TIA

Ed

Bill Sloman

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Feb 10, 2012, 10:09:35 PM2/10/12
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On Feb 10, 6:12 pm, ehsjr <eh...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
> BillSlomanwrote:
> > On Feb 10, 11:18 am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
>
> >>On Feb 9, 9:06 pm, josephkk <joseph_barr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >>>On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:16:02 -0600, amdx <a...@knologynotthis.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>On 2/6/2012 3:17 PM, Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> >>>>>On Feb 3, 8:32 am, John Larkin
> >>>>><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com>  wrote:
>
<snip>

> > There's some debate whether they died from lead poisoning - their
> > bones did contain quite a lot of lead - or vitamin A poisoning from
> > eating too much polar bear liver. Pneumonia may have been what finally
> > did them in, but if it was it was merely the coup de grace.
>
> >http://www.science20.com/chatter_box/history_mysteries_1_who_shot_tom...
>
> The link above doesn't work:
>
> "Oops. Something has gone horribly wrong. It will probably go away if
> you refresh but the administrators have been notified just in case."
>
> Got a better one?

It worked for me. Google threw up a bunch of stuff on the search
string 'Franklin expedition "Vitamin A"' and it was the third on the
list. Most commentators put vitamin A poisoning low on the list of
possible problems for the Franklin expedition - other polar
expeditions have run into trouble with dog and polar bear liver but
there's no particular reason to suppose that it was an important
contributor to the Franklin expedition's demise.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Michael A. Terrell

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Feb 10, 2012, 11:52:40 PM2/10/12
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Part of the survival training was that if you get lost or stranded is
to dig into a snow bank for protection from the cold & wind. We built
temporary shelters out of a 'tent half' and snow. Find some low
branches to hold up one end, and cover everything except a small
downwind opening with snow.

--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

Ken S. Tucker

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On Feb 10, 8:52 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> josephkk wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:16:02 -0600, amdx <a...@knologynotthis.net> wrote:
>
> > >On 2/6/2012 3:17 PM, Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> > >> On Feb 3, 8:32 am, John Larkin
> > >> <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
> > >>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095509/Eastern-European-deat...
>
> > >> Deaths more likely in the thousands as the side effects such as
> > >> pneumonia and flu result from cold poorly insulated homes.
>
> > >> Ken
>
> > > If poorly insulated homes cause pneumonia and flu, I'm surprised the
> > >Inuits living in igloos have not become extinct.
> > > Mikek
>
> > Oops clicked in the wrong place.
>
> > Snow happens to be a pretty good insulator. Igloos are not all that
> > uncomfortable. Not exactly warm, but not all that cold either.
>
> Part of the survival training was that if you get lost or stranded is
> to dig into a snow bank for protection from the cold & wind. We built
> temporary shelters out of a 'tent half' and snow. Find some low
> branches to hold up one end, and cover everything except a small
> downwind opening with snow.

http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica%20fact%20file/science/cold_humans.htm
Ken
PS:100's of dutch children, plugging holes in dykes, are frozen to
them
by fingers stuck in dykes, even their wooden shoes are frozen in
puddles.
Famous scientist, Dicky van Dyke suggests using a lubricated condom
to
finger a dyke, to remove it if it gets frozen in.


Bill Sloman

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On Feb 11, 10:05 am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 8:52 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> > josephkk wrote:
>
> > > On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:16:02 -0600, amdx <a...@knologynotthis.net> wrote:
>
> > > >On 2/6/2012 3:17 PM, Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> > > >> On Feb 3, 8:32 am, John Larkin
> > > >> <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com>  wrote:
>
> > > >>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095509/Eastern-European-deat...
>
> > > >> Deaths more likely in the thousands as the side effects such as
> > > >> pneumonia and flu result from cold poorly insulated homes.
>
> > > >> Ken
>
> > > >    If poorly insulated homes cause pneumonia and flu, I'm surprised the
> > > >Inuits living in igloos have not become extinct.
> > > >                             Mikek
>
> > > Oops clicked in the wrong place.
>
> > > Snow happens to be a pretty good insulator.  Igloos are not all that
> > > uncomfortable.  Not exactly warm, but not all that cold either.
>
> >    Part of the survival training was that if you get lost or stranded is
> > to dig into a snow bank for protection from the cold & wind.  We built
> > temporary shelters out of a 'tent half' and snow.  Find some low
> > branches to hold up one end, and cover everything except a small
> > downwind opening with snow.
>
> http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica%20fact%20file/science/cold_h...
> Ken
> PS:100's of dutch children, plugging holes in dykes, are frozen to
> them by fingers stuck in dykes, even their wooden shoes are frozen
> in puddles.
> Famous scientist, Dicky van Dyke suggests using a lubricated condom
> to finger a dyke, to remove it if it gets frozen in.

Your fantasies do seem to be homoerotic, if not actively pedophile -
post them someplace else. This sci.electronics,design, not
alt.lesbian.pederast

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Michael A. Terrell

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Feb 11, 2012, 10:24:28 AM2/11/12
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A 'scientist' would have known that axle grease was better than a
condom for a minor chore like that. More proof that you shouldn't trust
low grade dykes around dikes!

ehsjr

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Feb 11, 2012, 11:50:12 PM2/11/12
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Thanks Bill. I also got to see the interesting contents at the
link you posted - it worked for me today.

Ed
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