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Jan Panteltje

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Sep 14, 2021, 1:08:46 PMSep 14
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Why Biden's mandate is idiotic and unscientific:
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6272505607001#sp=show-clips
from a real scientist.

Brent Locher

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Sep 14, 2021, 1:39:08 PMSep 14
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I agree with him...fine

But a five year old says the sky is blue with the same authority as a nuclear physicist does.
Obvious does not need a "scientist" to justify it

My vaccine does not work if you do not take your vaccine.
Animal storehouses for the virus
Everyone in the world cannot be vaccinated
No consideration to natural immunity
The (now) need for boosters every 6-12 months.

Its all a big cluster -F

And then the low death rates and the ravaging of the economy and the complete immunity of economic consequences for those calling the shots.


You do not need "science" to sort through the bullsh!t

Brent Locher

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Sep 14, 2021, 1:47:51 PMSep 14
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On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 1:08:46 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
And then there is this (If facebook does not yank it) are these all fake posts? I don't know but they seem more genuine than the lying bullshit that comes out of CNN non-stop

https://www.facebook.com/80221381134/posts/10158207967261135/?d=n

Fred Bloggs

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Sep 14, 2021, 3:07:58 PMSep 14
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On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 1:08:46 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
That joke has not been keeping current with the literature. He happens to be wrong.

Jan Panteltje

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Sep 14, 2021, 3:27:21 PMSep 14
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On a sunny day (Tue, 14 Sep 2021 12:07:55 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
<fcb9a8b2-fe3b-431d...@googlegroups.com>:
About your winning the Nobel prize remark,
did not know there was one for biggest ego.

Fred Bloggs

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Sep 14, 2021, 3:29:49 PMSep 14
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It doesn't take a big ego to know you're better than people at the level of insect life.

Brent Locher

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Sep 14, 2021, 3:36:47 PMSep 14
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or level of rats....dont forget rats

Anthony William Sloman

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Sep 14, 2021, 10:56:30 PMSep 14
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As if a real scientist would appear on Fox News, or Fox News would want publish real science.

https://health.usnews.com/doctors/hooman-noorchashm-880396

In fact he is a thoracic surgeon, specialising operations on the aorta. Surgeons are rarely scientifically trained. They do tend to get their names on papers pubished in the medical literature (which isn't all that scientific), but that's mainly because they have high status in the decidedly feudal medical community and can insisted on being included in the authors on an paper they've had anything at all to do with.

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Anthony William Sloman

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Sep 14, 2021, 11:00:30 PMSep 14
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> or level of rats....don't forget rats.

Bent Locher and John Doe keep on reminding us of them.

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Phil Allison

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Sep 14, 2021, 11:15:58 PMSep 14
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bill....@ieee.org wrote:
================
>Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > Why Biden's mandate is idiotic and unscientific:
> > https://video.foxnews.com/v/6272505607001#sp=show-clips
> > from a real scientist.
>
> As if a real scientist would appear on Fox News, or Fox News would want publish real science.
>
> https://health.usnews.com/doctors/hooman-noorchashm-880396
>
> In fact he is a thoracic surgeon, specialising operations on the aorta.

** Here is the original vid on u-tube,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmtWkcyVrSE

The MD who is not an immunologist is much disliked by commenters.
In fact they are quite cruel about his motives and credibility.

He must have flat out lied to get himself on the news channel.

Way to lose a reputation and get in big strife with the medical board that handles accreditation.
Ouch.

...... Phil

Anthony William Sloman

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Sep 14, 2021, 11:31:36 PMSep 14
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On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 3:39:08 AM UTC+10, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 1:08:46 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > Why Biden's mandate is idiotic and unscientific:
> > https://video.foxnews.com/v/6272505607001#sp=show-clips
> > from a real scientist.
> I agree with him...fine
>
> But a five year old says the sky is blue with the same authority as a nuclear physicist does.
> Obvious does not need a "scientist" to justify it
>
> My vaccine does not work if you do not take your vaccine.

Brent Locher's favourite mantra - total nonsense but he likes sit.

> Animal storehouses for the virus.

Covid -19 is well-adapted to humans, less well-adapted to other species.

> Everyone in the world cannot be vaccinated

Even through we managed to vaccinate enough people against smallpox to get rid of it completely, and are well on our way do doing the same for measles and polio.

> No consideration to natural immunity.

It's not as good as western-vaccine induced immunity - in that it is easier for new strains to evade.

> The (now) need for boosters every 6-12 months.

Not established. The vaccine companies like the idea, and politicians love to be seen to be doing something - it doesn't matter to them if it is a waste of time and money.

> Its all a big cluster -F

But Brent Locher's ideas about what's wrong aren't all that sensible.

> And then the low death rates and the ravaging of the economy and the complete immunity of economic consequences for those calling the shots.

Brent Locher hasn't noticed that the economy gets damaged by a Covid-19 pandemic even if the politicians are reluctant to take it seriously.

> You do not need "science" to sort through the bullsh!t

Brent Locher clearly doesn't. His grasp of the science is pretty much non-existent, and he does post a lot of nonsense.

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John Doe

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Sep 14, 2021, 11:33:21 PMSep 14
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"the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions" (Bill Sloman)

Bozo the Clown...

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boB

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boB

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On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 19:56:27 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
<bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 3:08:46 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> Why Biden's mandate is idiotic and unscientific:
>> https://video.foxnews.com/v/6272505607001#sp=show-clips
>> from a real scientist.
>

>As if a real scientist would appear on Fox News, or Fox News would want publish real science.


That was kind of my thought too ! Just doesn't sound quite natural to
me.

boB

Flyguy

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This is the SECOND time in the last few minutes that I found that SL0WMAN couldn't even SPELL HIS OWN NAME!

Edward Hernandez

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John Doe

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DecadentLinux...@decadence.org

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Brent Locher <blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in news:77ab1c4c-3abd-
4834-bcd2-9...@googlegroups.com:

> Its all a big cluster -F
>

Yes, Trumpists are all one big cluster fuck.

America was already great and Trump and the boneheaded jailhouse
mentality retards like you turned it into a divisive cluster fuck, and
guess what, punk... YOUR SIDE are the ones about to get fucked...
again. As if Trump lying to you all and fucking you and this nation
over wasn't enough.

You are about as stupid as it can possibly get.

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org

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Brent Locher <blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in news:77ab1c4c-3abd-
4834-bcd2-9...@googlegroups.com:

>
> You do not need "science" to sort through the bullsh!t
>

In your case, a baseball bat would do the sorting thing just fine.

Brent Locher... a total retard who is all about being the bullshit.

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org

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Brent Locher <blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in
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Or as in your case... cockroaches. Must crush the retarded Brent
Locher type Trumpanzee cockroaches.


Trample your nation damaging asses into the dirt.

And that would be an insult to the dirt.

Anthony William Sloman

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On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 3:28:49 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 8:31:36 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 3:39:08 AM UTC+10, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 1:08:46 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

<snip>

> This is the SECOND time in the last few minutes that I found that Sloman couldn't even SPELL HIS OWN NAME!

And Flyguy is stupid enough to get excited about typos. It makes sense. He can't complain about anything more complicated, because he can't understand anything more complicated.

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John Larkin

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On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 21:47:40 -0700, boB <b...@K7IQ.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 19:56:27 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
><bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 3:08:46 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> Why Biden's mandate is idiotic and unscientific:
>>> https://video.foxnews.com/v/6272505607001#sp=show-clips
>>> from a real scientist.
>>
>
>>As if a real scientist would appear on Fox News, or Fox News would want publish real science.
>
>
>That was kind of my thought too ! Just doesn't sound quite natural to
>me.
>
>boB
>
>

Given how little we actually know about this virus, and the wide range
of time-variant expert opinions, most people must be wrong.

Tom Gardner

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Sep 15, 2021, 3:39:30 PMSep 15
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We know a surprisingly and pleasingly large amount about the virus.

The predictions aren't too bad, given the unknowns in how people
will behave (or misbehave).

Most people will be wrong about everything. The skill is to be able
to suss out who is most reliable rather than likely to be swayed by
what they would ideologically like to be the case or how they will
make money from the situation.

Jasen Betts

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He "signs" his messages with something approximating his name, that's
more than you do. It's more than I do too; I just use a template.

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whit3rd

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On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:19:29 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

> Given how little we actually know about this virus, and the wide range
> of time-variant expert opinions, most people must be wrong.

Silly spin, that. We know the various genomes of 'this virus', which is
more than we know about John Larkin.
So, lack of knowledge isn't noteworthy.

The 'time-variant' nature of expert opinions is called knowledge aquisition,
or maybe just situational awareness; also, not noteworthy.

That 'most people must be wrong' just means we're not all standard
sized round pegs, I suppose. Why would a person be judged 'wrong'? An
idea, yes, but a PERSON?

All measurement is wrong, in one sense; again, not noteworthy

Flyguy

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Hey DecadeBrainMatter, the ENTIRE West Wing is one BIG CLUSTER FUCK these days. They are dealing with so many crisis these days they don't have time to pick their collective noses. You would think that MURDERING AFGHAN CHILDREN would top the news cycle, and then they come up with TREASON! You have set a NEW BAR - for STUPIDITY! I can just picture you coming after me - a tin foil hat dork sucking your shit-stained thumb.

Flyguy

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Sep 17, 2021, 1:33:20 AMSep 17
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> SL0WMAN, Sydney

Hey SL0WMAN, when you can't even spell your own FUCKING NAME I know you are OFF YOUR MEDS!!!!

Anthony William Sloman

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On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 3:31:54 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:24:12 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> > Brent Locher <blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in news:77ab1c4c-3abd-
> > 4834-bcd2-9...@googlegroups.com:
> > > Its all a big cluster -F
> > >
> > Yes, Trumpists are all one big cluster fuck.
> >
> > America was already great and Trump and the boneheaded jailhouse
> > mentality retards like you turned it into a divisive cluster fuck, and
> > guess what, punk... YOUR SIDE are the ones about to get fucked...
> > again. As if Trump lying to you all and fucking you and this nation
> > over wasn't enough.
> >
> > You are about as stupid as it can possibly get.
>
> Hey DecadeBrainMatter, the ENTIRE West Wing is one BIG CLUSTER FUCK these days.

Flyguy does like making this kind of claim . He's an idiot, so doesn't realise how stupid they are.

> They are dealing with so many crisis these days they don't have time to pick their collective noses.

Trump did leave them a lot of problems.

> You would think that MURDERING AFGHAN CHILDREN

Drone strikes have been causing collateral damage for years. Flyguy seems to think that this didn't happen under previous presidents, and it's worth his while to try to label it as "murder".

> would top the news cycle, and then they come up with TREASON!

Coping with Trump's imbecilities wasn't treason. The way the Republican majority in the Senate refused to even look at the evidence that would have justified his impeachment looks a lot more like treason to me

> You have set a NEW BAR - for STUPIDITY! I can just picture you coming after me - a tin foil hat dork sucking your shit-stained thumb.

Flyguy isn't the stupidest person to post here - Skybuck seems to be even more stupid. Nobody else comes close. Flyguy seems to be able to picture all kinds of realities where he isn't actually a total idiot, but we really don't need to know about his rich fantasy life - the reality of his intellectual poverty is revolting and we get to see a lot more it than we'd like.

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Anthony William Sloman

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On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 3:33:20 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:56:33 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 3:28:49 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 8:31:36 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 3:39:08 AM UTC+10, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 1:08:46 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> > > This is the SECOND time in the last few minutes that I found that Sloman couldn't even SPELL HIS OWN NAME!
> >
> > And Flyguy is stupid enough to get excited about typos. It makes sense. He can't complain about anything more complicated, because he can't understand anything more complicated.
>
> Hey Sloman, when you can't even spell your own FUCKING NAME I know you are OFF YOUR MEDS!!!!

Flyguy can't spell my name - he keeps on inserting a superfluous "w" - and then complains about an occasional typo in my output.

He's much too stupid to notice the double standard.

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DecadentLinux...@decadence.org

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Sep 17, 2021, 9:16:56 AMSep 17
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Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
news:b3dc33d2-e59d-414f...@googlegroups.com:

> Coping with Trump's imbecilities wasn't treason. The way the
> Republican majority in the Senate refused to even look at the
> evidence that would have justified his impeachment looks a lot
> more like treason to me
>

Ding!

+1

Mitch McConnell and every single senator that took his direction in
refusing to examine evidence or hear witnesses in the first
impeachment, makes every last one of them accessories after the fact to
all of Trump's crimes in Ukraine.

They should ALL go to prison for that stupid move alone.

And then they thought they got away with that shit and have since
gone willy nilly with blatant commissions of criminal acts. They
actually think that the information overload alone will keep them from
getting caught or charged.

Rick C

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Sep 17, 2021, 10:52:43 PMSep 17
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On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 1:39:08 PM UTC-4, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 1:08:46 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > Why Biden's mandate is idiotic and unscientific:
> > https://video.foxnews.com/v/6272505607001#sp=show-clips
> > from a real scientist.
> I agree with him...fine

You agree that 80 to 100 million Americans are "naturally immune"? How do you come up with that number? There are only 42 million diagnosed infections. Where do these other numbers come from?

Even if you allow those with infections to not be immunized, how do you know who they are? If they have not, with a high confidence level, been tested to be infected, how can they know they were previously infected? My understanding is the tests for this have a high false positive rate. That's the worst way to fail in this case, leaving someone with no immunity while they think they have immunity.


> But a five year old says the sky is blue with the same authority as a nuclear physicist does.
> Obvious does not need a "scientist" to justify it

Whatever that means.


> My vaccine does not work if you do not take your vaccine.

Now you are talking nonsense.


> Animal storehouses for the virus

More nonsense.


> Everyone in the world cannot be vaccinated

Uh, we are working toward exactly that. We presently have a third of the world population fully vaccinated with closer to half at least one injection. We can step up that effort, but in the US, we simply need to convince the butt heads to either get injected or infected. If it weren't for the overcrowding in hospitals I would say we should require everyone to do one of those two things.


> No consideration to natural immunity

Yes, because that is the safest way since it is hard to be sure when someone has been infected if they were not tested at the time.


> The (now) need for boosters every 6-12 months.

Yes, so? I'm happy to get shots every 6 months if it significantly reduces my chances of being infected. My 95 year old friend is happy to get the booster as well, but it may not help him nearly as much. To protect him with confidence requires we get rid of the disease by getting everyone vaccinated.


> Its all a big cluster -F

Your ranting and raving? Yes, indeed.


> And then the low death rates and the ravaging of the economy and the complete immunity of economic consequences for those calling the shots.

When you talk about the "low death rates" you ignore the long Covid and those may never recover fully.


> You do not need "science" to sort through the bullsh!t

No, but it would help a lot if all of us actually understood the science. There would be much less bullshit.

It's interesting that you are so vehement about this and yet you literally won't discuss the actual issues. You insist on ranting in ten directions at once rather than discuss any one of them at a time. Your arguments are easy to pick apart, but you refuse to actually discuss them. I've tried to discuss these issues with you, but once we get into any one issue, you stop responding to that discussion and start somewhere else with a new rant of the same, tired nonsense.

I guess that's the best you can do in terms of staying on task. So sorry, not much to discuss with you. Continue your ranting.

Fortunately for the rest of us, people like you are not allowed to be in charge of much.

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Rick C

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The trouble is he doesn't talk about any science. He just says the Biden mandate is "a blunder", unconstitutional, etc. Where is the science?

Typical right-wing virtue signaling.

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