Win98SE driver for Geforce 8400 GS
Robert Baer
do; would like to get 600x800, 16 bit or 32 bit.
Anthony Fremont
> Need Win98SE driver for Geforce 8400 GS; any equivalent driver will
> do; would like to get 600x800, 16 bit or 32 bit.
You can't use the drivers from www.nvidia.com ?
Robert Baer
Going to the Nvidia/GeForce site, the drivers they had did not
support Win98SE - the "best" was Win2K, and that is why i asked.
Jasen Betts
> Need Win98SE driver for Geforce 8400 GS; any equivalent driver will
> do; would like to get 600x800, 16 bit or 32 bit.
you might have to use a video card of similar vintage (to 98)
(an S3 trio32 based card with 2M or more video ram might be a
good starting point)
OTOH if the "Geforce 8400 GS" is vesa compatible it should work using
the vesa drivers.
Jim Yanik
news:bdudnUMFvoIT8NrU...@posted.localnet:
I think Microsoft is requiring companies to not provide drivers for "non-
supported" MS op systems. I have a printer that HAD a driver supplied for
W98SE,but MS got Lexmark to pull the driver off it's CD as of Jun 07.
the Printer's paperwork still mentions the W98SE driver.
No archive site has it anymore,either.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
Robert Baer
Interesting!
Will see about that.
Thanks.
Robert Baer
That means some enterprising person could have a site that
specifically maintains "legacy" software.
IanM
MGDx has a hacked driver for backwards compatibility onto Win98SE on his
site http://www.mdgx.com/ and I've generally had good results with his
stuff.
Here you are:
>
> Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Driver 82.69 for Windows 98/98 SE/ME [14.5 MB]:
> <http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE>
> Documentation:
> <http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.TXT>
According to the Readme, the Geforce 8400 GS specifically *IS* supported.
krw
rober...@localnet.com says...>
I'd expect such a site to be "visited" by the company's, if not
M$', lawyers.
Jim Thompson
If we really had an effective DOJ it would be M$ that got the visit.
Isn't their a "7-year rule" on product maintainability? There sure is
for car parts.
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krw
Use-The-En...@My-Web-Site.com says...>
>
> >In article <z-ednaT95NGiXdXU...@posted.localnet>,
> >rober...@localnet.com says...>
> >> Jim Yanik wrote:
> >>
> >> > Robert Baer <rober...@localnet.com> wrote in
> >> > news:bdudnUMFvoIT8NrU...@posted.localnet:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>Anthony Fremont wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>Robert Baer wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Need Win98SE driver for Geforce 8400 GS; any equivalent driver will
> >> >>>>do; would like to get 600x800, 16 bit or 32 bit.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>You can't use the drivers from www.nvidia.com ?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Going to the Nvidia/GeForce site, the drivers they had did not
> >> >>support Win98SE - the "best" was Win2K, and that is why i asked.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I think Microsoft is requiring companies to not provide drivers for "non-
> >> > supported" MS op systems. I have a printer that HAD a driver supplied for
> >> > W98SE,but MS got Lexmark to pull the driver off it's CD as of Jun 07.
> >> > the Printer's paperwork still mentions the W98SE driver.
> >> > No archive site has it anymore,either.
> >> >
> >> That means some enterprising person could have a site that
> >> specifically maintains "legacy" software.
> >
> >I'd expect such a site to be "visited" by the company's, if not
> >M$', lawyers.
> >
> >
>
> If we really had an effective DOJ it would be M$ that got the visit.
In all your years, you still haven't learned that life isn't
"fair"? I'd call you a weenie, but... ;-)
> Isn't their a "7-year rule" on product maintainability? There sure is
> for car parts.
I'm sure you can still buy all the bits you need. You have to
assemble them yourself, though.
Jim Yanik
news:MPG.23b2d0fa5...@news.individual.net:
I can see requiring no NEW drivers created for out-of-support MS-OS,but to
rescind drivers already created,sold with product,and archived seems
predatory.
MS wants to FORCE people to upgrade.
ingvald44
drivers for the old OS. I think the latest series to be supported for
98 was the 6800 series...
Invald44
krw
jya...@abuse.gov says...>
...and your point is?
If I were M$, I'd want to get rid of the evidence too.
> MS wants to FORCE people to upgrade.
<shock!>
Robert Baer
Thank you!
The 81.98 driver did not list my card; this one does.
Thanks again.
Robert Baer
The site can be situated in one of those "obscure" and seemly
untouchable locations in Europe..
Robert Baer
If there was a government rule to that effect, they would be found in
the CFRs (did not look).
Robert Baer
Lemme see... does this "one" go before or after that "zero"?
Robert Baer
Not only that, but their licences *require* that the hardware support
the M$ DRM "rules", so that their "newest and bestes" Gooie works THEIR way.
BTW, all kinds of personal and computer configuration info gets
snagged; any HW changes and you are up a tree..
mrda...@gmail.com
> Need Win98SE driver for Geforce 8400 GS; any equivalent driver will
> do; would like to get 600x800, 16 bit or 32 bit.
Does it have to be for Win98SE?
Linux apparently supports that card natively
http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.09.html
If you really really need drivers for Win98SE, maybe you can find the
NVidia staff directory and email them directly...
Michael
Archimedes' Lever
Windows 98 DIED BEFORE Nvidia came out with the 8xxx series of cards.
Therefore, they NEVER wrote a driver for it, they being all the
Graphics Card makers. It has nothing to do with MS.
What dope would remain latched onto an old OS anyway? Even the gamers
know that w2k or XP is better.
Nobody is still running that old, DOS based OS. At least not anybody
with any sense.
This is like loading up BeOS on a machine with SATA. BeOS DIED a LONG
TIME AGO, and therefore, there NEVER were any SATA drivers written for
it.
Essentially, you (or he) is trying to get the same kind of service as
that.
I have old MFM hard drives, but you don't see me pissing and moaning
that modern OSes don't even think about including drivers for 'legacy'
devices. 'Legacy' in this realm refers to anything that has been
outmoded or is no longer supported by its author/maker.
I wanted to run Linux on my old PowerPC (PowerMac). Good luck finding
any modern distro that is supporting those old platforms.
Archimedes' Lever
wrote:
Imagine that... logic.
> BTW, all kinds of personal and computer configuration info gets
>snagged;
You act as if this is new, or as if it relates to operating systems. It
does not.
> any HW changes and you are up a tree..
Total bullshit. I have changed the video card, as well as SEVERAL
different, added, replaced, new hard drives, and have changed the optical
drives three times.
Vista works for those of us that are computer friendly (as in not
believing the bullshit of dopes like you). Your karma is so fucked, it
wouldn't work for you even if you did know what you were doing.
Robert Baer
Lemme see now, root kits *cannot* work (or live) on Win98SE...
...what happened with *your* PC when root kits were the rage?
Robert Baer
** Absolutely NONE of the M$ gooies snagged that info, up to and
including Win2K.
WinXP *demands* on line BS if you want to use it for more than 30
days after installation.
...and you say this NOT related to OSes?
And oats processed by a horse (available at the back end) are just
the same as those that go into the front end?
>
>
>>any HW changes and you are up a tree..
>
>
>
> Total bullshit. I have changed the video card, as well as SEVERAL
> different, added, replaced, new hard drives, and have changed the optical
> drives three times.
>
> Vista works for those of us that are computer friendly (as in not
> believing the bullshit of dopes like you). Your karma is so fucked, it
> wouldn't work for you even if you did know what you were doing.
Not according to what i have heard.
IanM
> Archimedes' Lever wrote:
>
>> What dope would remain latched onto an old OS anyway? Even the gamers
>> know that w2k or XP is better.
>>
>> Nobody is still running that old, DOS based OS. At least not anybody
>> with any sense.
that requires genuine MSDos and is uneconomic to replace or you have a
toolchain for building the ROM image for some product that you are
contractually obliged to support for 7 years from the end of production,
or any one of a number of very good commercial reasons, you'd be crazy
not to.
>>
>> This is like loading up BeOS on a machine with SATA. BeOS DIED a LONG
>> TIME AGO, and therefore, there NEVER were any SATA drivers written for
>> it.
>>
Odd that. Bit like claiming Windows doesn't support USB because Windows
3.1 didn't.
<http://www.beosmax.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:What_to_look_for_before_trying_a_BeOS_Distro>
discusses SATA support in Beos family OSes.
>> Essentially, you (or he) is trying to get the same kind of service as
>> that.
>>
>> I have old MFM hard drives, but you don't see me pissing and moaning
>> that modern OSes don't even think about including drivers for 'legacy'
>> devices. 'Legacy' in this realm refers to anything that has been
>> outmoded or is no longer supported by its author/maker.
You wont get much sympathy here for speccing anything that single
sourced either for the product or its support. Once you've been
'burned' on technical support, you never trust that company again.
Anyway, its not that technically challenging to provide a wrapper to
allow hardware drivers written for an older OS version to be supported
on a modern OS. Linux even uses NDIS wrapper to support WiFi cards
without a native driver using their windows driver. Even Microsoft used
to get this right. Win98SE even has a driver for the first ever mass
produced inkjet printer, the HP Thinkjet from back in 1984 *INCLUDED* on
the OS CDROM. That's 15 years later!
>>
>> I wanted to run Linux on my old PowerPC (PowerMac). Good luck finding
>> any modern distro that is supporting those old platforms.
> Lemme see now, root kits *cannot* work (or live) on Win98SE...
> ...what happened with *your* PC when root kits were the rage?
Cruel, Robert :-)
Actually, it *was* possible to root kit Win98SE. It needed a
combination of a DOS virus that concealed itself and selected windows
files, and some carefully patched system files that took over when
Windows had loaded executing the malicious code but returning clean
versions of the files to all user access. They were pretty rare, and by
today's standards fairly easy to detect, but they were a sufficient
problem in the day that booting from a known clean windows installation
before running a virus scanner was the only effective method of cleanup
apart from a full wipe and reload.
Anyway good luck getting your Geforce card up under 98, I hope its as
simple as I found installing a USB lightscribe DVD rewriter was :-)
Archimedes' Lever
wrote:
>Archimedes' Lever wrote:
Show me where I said that, you fucking ditz. Some ESDI drives had an
inaccessible partition on them that ran CP/M on the hard drive circuitry.
Whoopie fucking doo... you know what a rootkit is.
Also, yes they will, IF you can get the throughput capacity, you can
run a BD drive in which nearly ALL film title releases have drm rootkits
that run when the disk is used.
Since the 'newest' box that 98SE can be installed onto likely will not
have that level of throughput, such a drive will not even work.
>...what happened with *your* PC when root kits were the rage?
Rage? Sorry, but a rootkit was a bad thing that Sony did...
..and asswipe jack-offs that tried to hack into other people's boxes
Are you one such fucking criminal, retard, asswipe, jack-off, jack-off?
Archimedes' Lever
wrote:
>** Absolutely NONE of the M$ gooies snagged that info, up to and
>including Win2K.
> WinXP *demands* on line BS if you want to use it for more than 30
>days after installation.
> ...and you say this NOT related to OSes?
> And oats processed by a horse (available at the back end) are just
>the same as those that go into the front end?
You're an idiot. Machine polling is NOT an OS specific task or routine,
regardless of the fact that OSes commonly perform such tasks.
Likewise, it is also NOT related to web browsers either.
It is related to networked computers. It is that simple. It was
around LONG before ANY of MS' crap.
Archimedes' Lever
>Odd that. Bit like claiming Windows doesn't support USB because Windows
>3.1 didn't.
Windows is still being written.
BeOS is not. Nor is Win 98SE.
The current version is all they support these days. Back when it all
fit on a floppy, support was easy, and maintaining backward compatibility
was quite easy then as well.
Now, you buy what the big boys make, and you have no choices about
support or rearward compatibilities.
My B sized HP printer is a perfect example. I have to use drivers for
the following year's model, which is built in to the OS' library as HP
will NOT be writing drivers for printers that were sold a year before a
new OS came out. So I lose 100% feature set, but have a printer. I
should be able to be angry about that. The fact is if folks demanded the
same level of service that we enjoyed back in the seventies, the price of
goods would be prohibitively high.
Archimedes' Lever
>
>Anyway good luck getting your Geforce card up under 98, I hope its as
>simple as I found installing a USB lightscribe DVD rewriter was :-)
Jeez. Since it IS only Win98SE, and likely a fairly old MOBO and such,
WHY put a modern graphics card in it to begin with?
What is so hard about forking up for a CHEAP OLD, SUPPORTED card?
You have spent MORE of your much more costly TIME going over it than
you would have by simply using a different card.
I have at least 6 $350 plus video cards from the last six years. All
Nvidia, save one ATI AIW.
I guess all my shit will end up in a museum somewhere.
IanM
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:08:02 +0000, IanM <Inv...@totally.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Anyway good luck getting your Geforce card up under 98, I hope its as
>> simple as I found installing a USB lightscribe DVD rewriter was :-)
>
>
> Jeez. Since it IS only Win98SE, and likely a fairly old MOBO and such,
> WHY put a modern graphics card in it to begin with?
for the next N years, its going to be pretty much essential to use as
much as possible brand new kit from quality manufacturers *and* put a
spare shrinkwrapped set on the shelf for future support. One would have
to shop with driver support in mind and probably hunt for still
shrinkwrapped old stock though. The *other* approach is a pile of old
(mid 90's) Dells. They just keep on ticking :-) but you need lots of
space and patience and it helps if you know their quirks.
>
> What is so hard about forking up for a CHEAP OLD, SUPPORTED card?
Dual boot with XP or Vista? Spares availability?
>
> You have spent MORE of your much more costly TIME going over it than
> you would have by simply using a different card.
You are confusing me with Robert, the original poster. I have spent
less than 5 minutes locating and checking out a possible driver for him,
after that I've spent a few minutes arguing with you. What can I say,
I'm bored, and this is at least slightly diverting even if it is like
mudwrestling a pig :-)
>
> I have at least 6 $350 plus video cards from the last six years. All
> Nvidia, save one ATI AIW.
>
> I guess all my shit will end up in a museum somewhere.
If there is a museum of the horrors of the 20th century, yours may
feature in the millennial landfill section . . .
Robert Baer
...the darn computer died on me (PS quit) and i need a good dry day to
transport it to the dealer.
Lottza snow, etc here in the land of ports (oh, Regan).
Robert Baer
Ian, i really do appreciate all of the help you offered.
Just ignore that **** after his first (or second at least) garbage dump.
Archimedes' Lever
>Who said anything about old motherboards? If one *NEEDS* a Win9x box
>for the next N years, its going to be pretty much essential to use as
>much as possible brand new kit from quality manufacturers *and* put a
>spare shrinkwrapped set on the shelf for future support.
You missed the point. 98SE already lacks support for modern hardware,
so I *know* that there are not many dopes trying to get it working on a
recent MOBO. Working on an old 'on the shelf' mobo still doesn't mean
that one needs to use an unsupported graphics card with it.
Hard coding an OS or version of an OS, as is this case is pretty bad
design practice. You need to make the app that operates your product
able to run independent of the platform or OS it is set up under.
Archimedes' Lever
>
>>
>> What is so hard about forking up for a CHEAP OLD, SUPPORTED card?
>Dual boot with XP or Vista? Spares availability?
Ever heard of E-bay? I have bought 5 year old Mobos there new in the
box.
>>
>> You have spent MORE of your much more costly TIME going over it than
>> you would have by simply using a different card.
>You are confusing me with Robert, the original poster. I have spent
>less than 5 minutes locating and checking out a possible driver for him,
> after that I've spent a few minutes arguing with you. What can I say,
>I'm bored, and this is at least slightly diverting even if it is like
>mudwrestling a pig :-)
You're an idiot.
>> I have at least 6 $350 plus video cards from the last six years. All
>> Nvidia, save one ATI AIW.
>>
>> I guess all my shit will end up in a museum somewhere.
>If there is a museum of the horrors of the 20th century, yours may
>feature in the millennial landfill section . . .
Another dumb remark. I'd almost bet that my original 10MB Tandon is
older than you are.
IanM
> IanM wrote:
>
>> Archimedes' Lever wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:08:02 +0000, IanM <Inv...@totally.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyway good luck getting your Geforce card up under 98, I hope its
>>>> as simple as I found installing a USB lightscribe DVD rewriter was :-)
I forgot to mention I found the link to Maximus Decim's Native USB
drivers on the MGDx site and that's what I used to support the DVD
writer, with Nero 6 on top for burning software. Just *DONT* plug or
unplug any USB devices during bootup untill the HD light has *STOPPED*
flashing and *ALL* your resident utilities have displaied their system
tray icons. ;-)
>>>
>>> I guess all my shit will end up in a museum somewhere.
>>
>> If there is a museum of the horrors of the 20th century, yours may
>> feature in the millennial landfill section . . .
>>
> Ian, i really do appreciate all of the help you offered.
Thanks for the appreciation. Do let us know how its going when you've
resolved the PSU problem. New thread might be best, this one's pretty
far gone ;-(
> Just ignore that **** after his first (or second at least) garbage dump.
I did say it was like mudwrestling a pig, you both get covered in sh1t
but the pig enjoys it . . .
Time to take your advice I think.