On 9/14/2021 6:39 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 14/09/2021 14:25, Don Y wrote:
>> On 9/14/2021 6:16 AM, Robert Latest wrote:
>>> asdf wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 19:00:58 -0500, amdx wrote:
>>>>> I heard on one news show 90% Unvaccinated and 10% Vaccinated.
>>>> Southern EU here: 92% to 96% hospitalized are unvaccinated,
>>>> the rest vaccinated.
>>>>> Talked to my Unvacinated neighbor, he says it's 50% / 50%.
>>>> I'd be curious to read where they pulled those numbers from.
>>>> 100% sure is not a reputable source.
>>> These numbers don't say anything meaningful. The higher the vaccination rate,
>>> the higher the fraction of vaccinated among the sick. In a 100% vaccinated
>>> population, you'd have 100% vaccinated (breakthrough) cases in the hospital.
>> Yet the opposite is what's happening -- the smaller population
>> (unvaccinated) is feeding more of the cases, hospitalizations,
>> ICU beds, ventilators use and death.
> That is also what is happening in the UK - I remembered what the chief medical
> officer first announced and not that he corrected himself later.
> 60% of UK hospitalised Covid cases are from the unvaccinated 10% and that the
> other 40% from the fully vaccinated 90%. Even more startling is that ONS has
> established that of the 51k deaths analysed in the latest Covid wave only 256
> of them were in people with a double vaccination.
The proportions of vaccinated/unvaccinated are skewed much more, here,
against the unvaccinated. The (*fully* as "single jab" is effectively
"no jab") vaccinated that are seeing issues are those that are older,
got the vaccine earlier and/or have/had underlying health issues.
The unvaccinated that are finding themselves in trouble are younger and
> That is in practice somewhat better than the expected survival ratio.
"The study’s main findings were that people who were vaccinated against
COVID-19 experienced normal to low severity in side effects whereas those
who became infected with COVID-19 experienced far more adverse symptoms
in addition to the side effects experienced with the COVID-19 vaccine."
(so, immunity gained through "natural" infection comes at a considerably
higher cost -- ignoring, of course, the cost of lost time, medical care and
longer term quality of life issues)
"For instance, people who were vaccinated experienced 2.7 events of heart
inflammation out of 100,000 in comparison to 11.0 events of heart inflammation
out of 100,000 for unvaccinated people who were infected with COVID-19."
"Researchers also noted those who were unvaccinated experienced higher cases
of arrhythmia (166.1 events per 100,000 persons), acute kidney injury (125.4
events), pulmonary embolism (61.7 events), deep-vein thrombosis (43.0 events),
myocardial infarction (25.1 events), pericarditis (10.9 events) and
intracranial hemorrhage (7.6 events). "
(Ooops! So much for that untested vaccine! Hurry, hurry! Catch your
covid while supplies last!!)
"Apart from the previous symptoms associated with COVID-19 highlighted in the
Israel study, another study published on July 15 in the medical journal "The
Lancet" found more than 200 symptoms affecting 10 organ systems for an extended
period in people who were infected with the novel coronavirus."
(Gee, hard enough to get an organ transplant -- and a significant impact
on your immune system, forever thereafter! -- so let's see if we can
increase the chances of needing one! Sounds like a great strategy!)
Ooooo.... FOX News! Raw meat for the covidiots!
And, with a dozen named variants in <24 months, how long before one
comes along that is a BIGGER problem? And, how UN-likely will it be that
those VACCINATED bear the brunt of that outbreak?
Gotta wonder what's going through folks' minds as they NOW think about getting
vaccinated -- and realize it will be ~6 wks from their first shot before
they can begin to rest "less worriedly"?