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John Larkin

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Sep 26, 2015, 11:02:45 PM9/26/15
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They give you a zillion choices. Like if you want a mosfet from 20 to
50 amps, there are 30 or more, in tiny increments as low as 0.1 amps.
And ditto for voltages. So if you select a reasonable range of parts,
it complains that you have selected too many filters.

Back to Digikey!



Jon Elson

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Sep 26, 2015, 11:29:34 PM9/26/15
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Yup, Mouser's search engine can't compare to Digi-Key's. Nobody else's is
much better than Mouser's. But, some of the other distributors have better
prices. Newark and sometimes Allied have better prices on big IR MOSFETs.
Mouser has a much better selection of big electrolytic caps.

Jon

Joe Chisolm

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Sep 27, 2015, 12:06:46 AM9/27/15
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I usually start searching with 3 or 4 windows open. The search starts
with Digikey. Then I plug the parts into Mouser, Avnet, TTI, etc and
check price, availability, stock levels and the rest. Mouser has
serious data qaulity issues in their search engine.

--
Chisolm
Republic of Texas

Phil Hobbs

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Sep 27, 2015, 1:20:02 AM9/27/15
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I don't buy big quantities, so I usually just use DK. Octopart has
improved its parametric searches too.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

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Sep 27, 2015, 2:46:12 AM9/27/15
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On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 22:29:30 -0500, Jon Elson <el...@pico-systems.com>
Gave us:
Use findchips.com You can find practically anything electronic. It
doesn't have to be chips.

whit3rd

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Sep 27, 2015, 4:10:13 AM9/27/15
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On Saturday, September 26, 2015 at 8:02:45 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> They give you a zillion choices. Like if you want a mosfet from 20 to
> 50 amps, there are 30 or more, in tiny increments as low as 0.1 amps.

Yeah, the database was cobbled together from different datasheet formats,
by folk who hadn't any way to redesign the engine.

I've seen it done better, in pre-computer days. You get a bunch of cards, with
perforations around the edges, and a notcher tool. Notching from the card edge
to the perforation sets a bit, which can represent transistor type (notch #1: Ge;
notch #2: SI) or maximum voltage (0-20 notch #21; 20.1-80 notch #22; 80.1-120,
notch #23 and so on).

Set the cards in a holder tray and slide a wire probe into the "Si"" notch, then lift.
All the cards that come up on the wire, are NOT the transistors you want,
because Si transistors had that notch cut (and their cards stayed in the tray);
set the unsuitables aside. Then on to the next requirement; any combination of
include-this or exclude-this on any of the bits, was achievable with a modicum
of thought.

But, someone had to really THINK about the criteria; a 470 uF capacitor and 500 uF
capacitor aren't really different (20% tolerance, you know) but if the manufacturer
data is to be presented in the catalog, it'll LOOK different when the database is
built. Loose ranges work better than numeric entry.

And 2048 kHz quartz crystals are entered into the database distinct from 2.048 MHz,
and distinct too from 2.0480 MHz... unless someone really thinks.

Type-of-gizmo labels are always an issue; why does DigiKey insist
that you only search after you determine that you want an aluminum
electrolytic capacitor? Aluminum polymer or tantalum require separate searches.

The card-based thing suffers, too; my lonely old stack (kept for nostalgia, not use)
hasn't been updated with new cards since 2N1702 was a common part. Mouser's
search engine is better.

Reinhardt Behm

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Sep 27, 2015, 5:23:37 AM9/27/15
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Phil Hobbs wrote:

> On 09/27/2015 12:06 AM, Joe Chisolm wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 20:02:38 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>> They give you a zillion choices. Like if you want a mosfet from 20 to 50
>>> amps, there are 30 or more, in tiny increments as low as 0.1 amps.
>>> And ditto for voltages. So if you select a reasonable range of parts,
>>> it complains that you have selected too many filters.
>>>
>>> Back to Digikey!
>>
>> I usually start searching with 3 or 4 windows open. The search starts
>> with Digikey. Then I plug the parts into Mouser, Avnet, TTI, etc and
>> check price, availability, stock levels and the rest. Mouser has
>> serious data qaulity issues in their search engine.
>>
>
> I don't buy big quantities, so I usually just use DK. Octopart has
> improved its parametric searches too.

Somehow they are also connected with <http://www.snapeda.com>. There you can
find many schematic symbols and footprints for many different EDA packages.
One must register but it seems to be worth it.

--
Reinhardt

John Devereux

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Sep 27, 2015, 7:17:05 AM9/27/15
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Octopart has now been bought by Altium...


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John Devereux

dagmarg...@yahoo.com

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Sep 27, 2015, 9:12:35 AM9/27/15
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I wrote them a long time ago to complain that their search engine sorted pF, nF,
and uF, amps, etc., by the numerical value, such that 1000nF and 1000uF were
adjacent hits.

They fixed it, and pretty quickly. I was surprised. They might fix this other
stuff too, if we told 'em.

Cheers,
James Arthur

John Devereux

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Sep 27, 2015, 9:55:57 AM9/27/15
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Biggest remaining problem for me is ranges, for things like regulators
or opamps. Every distinct combination has a unique selection, like
"1.8V-15V, +/-0.9V-8V". So there is no way to say "at least 12V". You
have to spend 5 minutes going through the list and selecting all the
ones that fit.

Still beats using multiple manufacturers websites though.


--

John Devereux

John Larkin

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Sep 27, 2015, 10:44:06 AM9/27/15
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I spend too much time searching for parts. Someone could run a
parts-search-for-a-fee business.


DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

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Sep 27, 2015, 11:12:59 AM9/27/15
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 07:44:02 -0700, John Larkin
<jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> Gave us:
www..findchips.com

rickman

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Sep 27, 2015, 12:03:20 PM9/27/15
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I've noticed that Mouser's search function has greatly improved. John
just likes to whine about whatever the gripe of the day is. I don't
recall the feature, but I have noticed on occasion that Mouser's search
is better than Digikey's. Maybe it's those times when Mouser has
something that Digikey doesn't... that can be important too. It might
even be more important than the search function.

--

Rick

rickman

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Sep 27, 2015, 12:05:07 PM9/27/15
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It often beats individual manufacturer's sites. TI has so much bell and
whistle content that I find it hard to use. They also insist on keeping
the sector in view all the time which leaves little room for results.

--

Rick

rickman

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Sep 27, 2015, 12:06:01 PM9/27/15
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I'll step up to the plate. What do you need exactly?

--

Rick

John Devereux

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Sep 27, 2015, 12:19:31 PM9/27/15
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Nope, we are talking about searching based on particular sets of
parameters - not a basic part number search.

--

John Devereux

dagmarg...@yahoo.com

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Sep 27, 2015, 12:57:58 PM9/27/15
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That makes Altium 'OctoMom.' :) (GIYF)

Cheers,
James Arthur

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

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Sep 27, 2015, 1:48:28 PM9/27/15
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 09:57:51 -0700 (PDT), dagmarg...@yahoo.com Gave
us:
That would be mum. mum's the word. Octomum.

Tim Wescott

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Sep 27, 2015, 3:31:53 PM9/27/15
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On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 20:02:38 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

Well, that's why I use DigiKey unless I'm desperate.

They've been trying, and they've gotten better, but they're still not
there.

You listening, Mouser?

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Carl Ijames

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Sep 27, 2015, 3:44:51 PM9/27/15
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"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
news:yfOdnUseboaL2ZXL...@giganews.com...
===============================================================

Companies like DigiKey and McMaster Carr (www.mcmaster.com, my nomination
for best catalog site on the web if they will just stop trying to make
improvements) make sales to people who already know, or just have a general
idea of what they need, because of their web sites. Companies like Mouser
and Grainger make sales to people who have already used other web sites to
identify what they need, in spite of their web sites.

-----
Regards,
Carl Ijames


George Herold

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Sep 28, 2015, 9:20:13 AM9/28/15
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On Saturday, September 26, 2015 at 11:02:45 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
I was there searching for resistors the other day.
In the past, my experience was that Mouser had a larger
selection of R's, I don't know if that's still true.

Anyway I couldn't find what I wanted.
(I've gotten spoiled by 0.1% R's, but above ~ 1 Meg they become expensive.)

George H.

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

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Sep 28, 2015, 9:22:53 AM9/28/15
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 06:20:07 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
<ghe...@teachspin.com> Gave us:
For most designs, the cheap 1% stuff is quite sufficient.. In
"spoiling" yourself, you also "spoiled" your grasp of proper engineering
technique. Ooops.

George Herold

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Sep 28, 2015, 10:04:20 AM9/28/15
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Well in this case the 1% resistor will determine the error.
(It's just this "silly" current source.) I've got a 0.1% voltage
reference, and for higher ranges of current I'll have 0.1% R's.
It's not a big deal to have the lower range less accurate.
But it would be nice if it wasn't. For less than a buck
I could put five 1 meg's in series.
(You get addicted to all those 9's or 0's on the
voltmeter during testing too... makes you feel like you
know what you're doing :^)

George H.


John Larkin

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Sep 28, 2015, 10:45:25 AM9/28/15
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The tempco will getcha on 0.1% thickfilms. We use mostly Susumu 0.1
and 0.05% thinfilm parts for precise stuff. They sell resistors at 25
and 10 PPM.

The Susumu resistors often come in weird values, and don't come in
high values. But even the 25 PPM parts have typical TCs in the single
digits.

One of my guys has found some high value "fine film" resistors rated
for 25 PPM.


DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

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Sep 28, 2015, 11:01:27 AM9/28/15
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 07:04:09 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
You could buy ten or a hundred 1% devices and 80% of them would test
out at just as close, i.e. 0.1%

George Herold

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Sep 28, 2015, 11:21:03 AM9/28/15
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Yeah I always worry a bit about the TC values.
Unless there is a plot on the data sheet you are not
sure what to make of it. Is this guys 100 ppm better or
worse than someone else's spec. (I'm not going to measure it!)

Good to know that the susumu's are typically better than the
spec.

I was hand selecting (well a minion does it.) 10 Meg metal films,
(100 ppm/C). But one gotcha I found was that the value goes up by
a few ppt when you solder them onto the pcb.

George Herold

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Sep 28, 2015, 11:33:57 AM9/28/15
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No they don't. It's not like you'd expect. From my experience
if you get a batch of 10Meg 1% MF resistors you'll find that they will
mostly measure a bit high ... 0.4-0.6%. Which sorta makes sense
if you think about setting up a resistor machine, and trimming the
value till you get to the right number.. you'd make it stop when it was
just a bit high. Anyway I think we found (maybe) 5% that were within 0.2%
of the nominal resistance.

George H.

John S

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Sep 28, 2015, 12:39:30 PM9/28/15
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On 9/26/2015 10:02 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>
>
> They give you a zillion choices. Like if you want a mosfet from 20 to
> 50 amps, there are 30 or more, in tiny increments as low as 0.1 amps.
> And ditto for voltages. So if you select a reasonable range of parts,
> it complains that you have selected too many filters.
>
> Back to Digikey!

Are you sure you have explored all the abilities of the engine? Have
your read their help section on it?

John Larkin

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Sep 28, 2015, 2:03:34 PM9/28/15
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 11:39:40 -0500, John S <Sop...@invalid.org>
wrote:
It only allows 100 filters, and it's happy to create over 100 filters
for a reasonable search.

Have
>your read their help section on it?

No, I bail and go to Digikey, or to the manufacturers. Some of the
manufacturers have decent search, some don't. The worst ones require
me to open dozens of .pdf files to see what they have. Or force me to
choose an application area, or make me decide if I want a precision
opamp, or a fast opamp, or a general-purpose opamp.

As my old mentor Melvin Goldstein used to say, "the easiest thing in
the world is not to sell."



rickman

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Sep 28, 2015, 2:28:09 PM9/28/15
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Why would you stop when the value is still high? Are you saying the
machine stops as soon as it is in the tolerance range?

--

Rick

rickman

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Sep 28, 2015, 2:31:02 PM9/28/15
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On 9/28/2015 2:03 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>
> No, I bail and go to Digikey, or to the manufacturers. Some of the
> manufacturers have decent search, some don't. The worst ones require
> me to open dozens of .pdf files to see what they have. Or force me to
> choose an application area, or make me decide if I want a precision
> opamp, or a fast opamp, or a general-purpose opamp.

I remember checking out an Asian MCU maker's web site and couldn't find
any overview of their parts. They had charts with lots of part numbers
in bubbles, but no info on what these parts had and those parts didn't.
I emailed them asking for a selection guide and they told me to
download the data sheets. They have all the info I was looking for.
Yeah, some 100+ data sheets!

--

Rick

Neon John

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Sep 28, 2015, 3:18:48 PM9/28/15
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 07:44:02 -0700, John Larkin

>I spend too much time searching for parts. Someone could run a
>parts-search-for-a-fee business.
>

They do. They call themselves "box builders" or contract
manufacturers. With the company we use, I just send them the CAD
generated BOM and they source all the parts. And at better prices
than our buyer (who is very good) could. Occasionally they'll suggest
cheaper parts such as different value pull-up resistors. This are
parts that they buy a zillion at a time and we benefit from the volume
buying.

I know you guys are highly vertically integrated but you might try
dipping your toe in the contract procurement waters sometime.

John

John DeArmond
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.fluxeon.com
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
See website for email address

John Larkin

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Sep 28, 2015, 3:24:49 PM9/28/15
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 08:20:58 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
This is a 22 Meg resistor!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Parts/Resistors/Stackpole%20HVCB0805JDE22M0%20TCR.pdf



Lasse Langwadt Christensen

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Sep 28, 2015, 3:32:16 PM9/28/15
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Den mandag den 28. september 2015 kl. 21.18.48 UTC+2 skrev Neon John:
> On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 07:44:02 -0700, John Larkin
>
> >I spend too much time searching for parts. Someone could run a
> >parts-search-for-a-fee business.
> >
>
> They do. They call themselves "box builders" or contract
> manufacturers. With the company we use, I just send them the CAD
> generated BOM and they source all the parts. And at better prices
> than our buyer (who is very good) could. Occasionally they'll suggest
> cheaper parts such as different value pull-up resistors. This are
> parts that they buy a zillion at a time and we benefit from the volume
> buying.
>
> I know you guys are highly vertically integrated but you might try
> dipping your toe in the contract procurement waters sometime.

I think what John wants is someone that can take a spec for a part and find
some part numbers that fit

-Lasse

John Larkin

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Sep 28, 2015, 3:54:03 PM9/28/15
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Right. Find me parts that meet my needs, at the best prices.


John Larkin

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Sep 28, 2015, 4:04:44 PM9/28/15
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We did outsource a lot of production. That's why we spent a half
megabuck or so for our own automated assembly and inspection gear. Our
batches are too small to make a contract assembler care very much.

But the sales rep for the equipment also runs a winery in Murphys

http://www.frogstooth.com/

and every equipment equipment order comes with some really good wine.
The guy and his wife served wine at our last company BBQ, for free.
Kept everybody's glasses full. I didn't think I liked Viognier, but he
snuck a refill into my glass, and I declared it to be really good
before I figured out what he'd done.



Phil Hobbs

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Sep 28, 2015, 6:09:21 PM9/28/15
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For trimming, you want the resistance to be a bit lower than the spec,
so you can trim by removing material.

Sounds like they're just saving a small amount of material in the
sputtering target.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

George Herold

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Sep 28, 2015, 7:33:12 PM9/28/15
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That's a nice resistor, what's the TC spec? 25 ppm?

George H.

krw

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Sep 28, 2015, 8:15:12 PM9/28/15
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 13:04:39 -0700, John Larkin
<jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:18:36 -0400, Neon John <n...@never.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 07:44:02 -0700, John Larkin
>>
>>>I spend too much time searching for parts. Someone could run a
>>>parts-search-for-a-fee business.
>>>
>>
>>They do. They call themselves "box builders" or contract
>>manufacturers. With the company we use, I just send them the CAD
>>generated BOM and they source all the parts. And at better prices
>>than our buyer (who is very good) could. Occasionally they'll suggest
>>cheaper parts such as different value pull-up resistors. This are
>>parts that they buy a zillion at a time and we benefit from the volume
>>buying.
>>
>>I know you guys are highly vertically integrated but you might try
>>dipping your toe in the contract procurement waters sometime.
>>
>>John
>>
>>John DeArmond
>>http://www.neon-john.com
>>http://www.fluxeon.com
>>Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
>>See website for email address
>
>We did outsource a lot of production. That's why we spent a half
>megabuck or so for our own automated assembly and inspection gear. Our
>batches are too small to make a contract assembler care very much.

We have a couple of CMs that do our prototype builds but that may be
larger than your production runs (usually ~25 boards). One of the CMs
just opened a "local" line so I can deliver parts myself.
>
>But the sales rep for the equipment also runs a winery in Murphys
>
>http://www.frogstooth.com/
>
>and every equipment equipment order comes with some really good wine.
>The guy and his wife served wine at our last company BBQ, for free.
>Kept everybody's glasses full. I didn't think I liked Viognier, but he
>snuck a refill into my glass, and I declared it to be really good
>before I figured out what he'd done.
>
One of our CMs ships chocolate or popcorn with each order. The other
took me out for a great Italian lunch (dinner, really).

krw

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Sep 28, 2015, 8:23:19 PM9/28/15
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I just tell the FAEs what specs I need and what I want to pay. They
come back with what they have. ...and I get a few lunches out of it,
in the mean time. ;-)

Seriously, there are so damned many opamps it's almost impossible to
sift through them all, particularly since the listed prices are bogus.

>As my old mentor Melvin Goldstein used to say, "the easiest thing in
>the world is not to sell."

Sure. FAEs have families who like to eat, though.

krw

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Sep 28, 2015, 8:26:25 PM9/28/15
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I find the Asian semi manufacturers to be difficult to work with, with
the possible exception of Rohm. They do some of the dumbest things,
too.


John Larkin

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On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 16:32:54 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
Yes.


Neon John

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On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 12:32:10 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:


>I think what John wants is someone that can take a spec for a part and find
>some part numbers that fit

Our company (SBC near Phoenix) will do that. They'll do anything else
in the process that we want including doing the board layout or even
doing the design from a block diagram and a detailed functional
specification.

We work at the Gerber file level. I design the product and they do
the rest except for the enclosure. We had a custom extrusion made in
China so we supply those to SBC.

I've owned a manufacturing company where we tried to do everything in
house. Never ever again!!!

Neon John

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On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 13:04:39 -0700, John Larkin
<jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:


>But the sales rep for the equipment also runs a winery in Murphys
>
>http://www.frogstooth.com/

You're not going to believe this. My neighbor up here in the hills of
TN is the wine expert for the local spirits distributor. He's always
bringing us new wines to try. I haven't bought any in years :-)

Last weekend he brought us a case of a variety of wine from Frogs
Tooth! VERY good wine. He knows I like sweet fruity wines so one of
the bottles was muscadine wine. Superb.

Next time you see him, tell him that a Southern hillbilly loves his
products.

John Larkin

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On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:16:45 -0400, Neon John <n...@never.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 13:04:39 -0700, John Larkin
><jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>
>>But the sales rep for the equipment also runs a winery in Murphys
>>
>>http://www.frogstooth.com/
>
>You're not going to believe this. My neighbor up here in the hills of
>TN is the wine expert for the local spirits distributor. He's always
>bringing us new wines to try. I haven't bought any in years :-)
>
>Last weekend he brought us a case of a variety of wine from Frogs
>Tooth! VERY good wine. He knows I like sweet fruity wines so one of
>the bottles was muscadine wine. Superb.

I like the dry whites. Tasty.

>
>Next time you see him, tell him that a Southern hillbilly loves his
>products.

Will do. I wonder how that wine made it to Occupied TN. They can't
make much of it.

Let's hope that he keeps his solder paste away from his grapes.


Robert Baer

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Sep 30, 2015, 2:37:24 AM9/30/15
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John Larkin wrote:
>
>
> They give you a zillion choices. Like if you want a mosfet from 20 to
> 50 amps, there are 30 or more, in tiny increments as low as 0.1 amps.
> And ditto for voltages. So if you select a reasonable range of parts,
> it complains that you have selected too many filters.
>
> Back to Digikey!
>
>
>
What is really nuts, is that their catalog was always superior to the
DigiKey catalog.
Grouped basically by function, and then similar sub-groups. In each
sub-group, alphabetical maker.
Nice "cardboard" separators with printed index for that section
(DigiKey never had that).

In the back. alpha part index and alpha maker.

All they need to do is emulate that simplicity.
Certainly not generate 10^6 selections for a simple query, say
(fiction here) for LED they would give switches,relays, resistors,
capacitors, and presidential candidates.

And i called them as well as e-mailed them - to no avail.

JW

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 01:15:02 -0400 Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote in Message id:
<F4qdnfWXbZfl4ZrL...@supernews.com>:

>On 09/27/2015 12:06 AM, Joe Chisolm wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 20:02:38 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>> They give you a zillion choices. Like if you want a mosfet from 20 to 50
>>> amps, there are 30 or more, in tiny increments as low as 0.1 amps.
>>> And ditto for voltages. So if you select a reasonable range of parts,
>>> it complains that you have selected too many filters.
>>>
>>> Back to Digikey!
>>
>> I usually start searching with 3 or 4 windows open. The search starts
>> with Digikey. Then I plug the parts into Mouser, Avnet, TTI, etc and
>> check price, availability, stock levels and the rest. Mouser has
>> serious data qaulity issues in their search engine.
>>
>
>I don't buy big quantities, so I usually just use DK. Octopart has
>improved its parametric searches too.

Another good one: http://www.oemstrade.com/

John S

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The reason I make an effort to use Mouser is that I live near them and I
get one day service without expedited delivery service. It is almost
like going to a local components store.

rickman

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Sep 30, 2015, 3:29:54 PM9/30/15
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I am 4 days away from Digikey by ground delivery and have found USPS
Priority to consistently deliver in 2 days. It's also cheaper than UPS
ground! Go figure.

I don't order as often from Mouser, but I will go Priority mail for
anything I order within the US unless it "Absolutely, Positively Has To
Be There Overnight®."

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Rick

Jon Elson

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Oct 1, 2015, 10:12:35 PM10/1/15
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rickman wrote:


> I am 4 days away from Digikey by ground delivery and have found USPS
> Priority to consistently deliver in 2 days. It's also cheaper than UPS
> ground! Go figure.
UPS intentionally slowed down their ground service to not cannibalize their
2nd day users. Now that FedEx has lowered their ground service prices to
match UPS, I consistently get orders about 2 days faster from either Mouser
or Digi-Key. So, I now always select the FedEx delivery. I'm in St. Louis,
MO, so not real close to either of them.

Jon

Jon Elson

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Oct 1, 2015, 10:17:52 PM10/1/15
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Robert Baer wrote:


> What is really nuts, is that their catalog was always superior to the
> DigiKey catalog.
None of these companies made their own catalogs, as far as I know. There
was some outfit that created the catalogs for ALL the distributors,
customizing it enough so that they had an individual "look" for each one.
But, that outfit had the photos of all the parts on a computer, and for any
individual distributor to create all that back in the 1980s or 90's was just
too huge a task.

The Digi-Key search engine is so good, it pretty much replaces the catalogs.
But, they WERE nice, and I do miss them. I just got the Newark catalog
today, 2500 pages! Yikes!

I still have the last Digi-Key catalog, and Mouser doesn't seem to be
sending me updates anymore.

Jon

rickman

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Oct 2, 2015, 1:48:04 AM10/2/15
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I wondered what happened. Some years ago UPS had a standard 1 day
ground delivery area that covered some 8 or 10 states. Now it has
shrunk considerably. That's ok. I like using USPS Priority mail for
Digikey and Mouser. Dirt cheap and fast.

The other day I ordered something from a US vendor off eBay. They
shipped it through some special USPS service that works with some other
carrier. I got the same sort of tracking at every handling point I get
with UPS and FedEx, but it reported a "Shipping Partner Facility" in
LOMBARD, IL 60148 and FISHERS, IN 46037 but USPS delivered the final
mile to the house. Do you think the "partner" was UPS? I know they do
that for international shipments. The USPS has greatly improved from
years ago. They used to be worse than the phone company!

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Rick

John Larkin

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Oct 2, 2015, 4:24:59 PM10/2/15
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On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:37:16 -0700, Robert Baer
<rober...@localnet.com> wrote:

>John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>
>> They give you a zillion choices. Like if you want a mosfet from 20 to
>> 50 amps, there are 30 or more, in tiny increments as low as 0.1 amps.
>> And ditto for voltages. So if you select a reasonable range of parts,
>> it complains that you have selected too many filters.
>>
>> Back to Digikey!
>>
>>
>>
> What is really nuts, is that their catalog was always superior to the
>DigiKey catalog.

I miss the paper catalogs. They were often more useful than the web
sites.




> Grouped basically by function, and then similar sub-groups. In each
>sub-group, alphabetical maker.
> Nice "cardboard" separators with printed index for that section
>(DigiKey never had that).
>
> In the back. alpha part index and alpha maker.
>
> All they need to do is emulate that simplicity.
> Certainly not generate 10^6 selections for a simple query, say
>(fiction here) for LED they would give switches,relays, resistors,
>capacitors, and presidential candidates.
>
> And i called them as well as e-mailed them - to no avail.

I complained about the search engine and got a couple of emails back.
The guy actually went to the Digikey web site and discovered it was
better. I suppose nobody at Mouser had ever tried that before.

I doubt they will fix it any time soon.


Lasse Langwadt Christensen

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Oct 2, 2015, 4:42:11 PM10/2/15
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Den fredag den 2. oktober 2015 kl. 22.24.59 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
> On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:37:16 -0700, Robert Baer
> <rober...@localnet.com> wrote:
>
> >John Larkin wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> They give you a zillion choices. Like if you want a mosfet from 20 to
> >> 50 amps, there are 30 or more, in tiny increments as low as 0.1 amps.
> >> And ditto for voltages. So if you select a reasonable range of parts,
> >> it complains that you have selected too many filters.
> >>
> >> Back to Digikey!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > What is really nuts, is that their catalog was always superior to the
> >DigiKey catalog.
>
> I miss the paper catalogs. They were often more useful than the web
> sites.
>

yep, for stuff like connectors,switches,enclosures, heatsinks etc.
for the standard components not so much

I often use google images search, type a few keywords and browse through
images to get an idea of what it might be called

-Lasse

Cydrome Leader

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Oct 2, 2015, 4:48:30 PM10/2/15
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I like how both of those crooks (fedex and UPS) still charge fuel
surcharges. They should merge with the airlines and all burn in hell.



John Larkin

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Oct 2, 2015, 5:02:06 PM10/2/15
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Then we could walk everywhere, carrying stuff.


George Herold

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Oct 3, 2015, 1:06:47 PM10/3/15
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On Friday, October 2, 2015 at 4:24:59 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:37:16 -0700, Robert Baer
> <rober...@localnet.com> wrote:
>
> >John Larkin wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> They give you a zillion choices. Like if you want a mosfet from 20 to
> >> 50 amps, there are 30 or more, in tiny increments as low as 0.1 amps.
> >> And ditto for voltages. So if you select a reasonable range of parts,
> >> it complains that you have selected too many filters.
> >>
> >> Back to Digikey!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > What is really nuts, is that their catalog was always superior to the
> >DigiKey catalog.
>
> I miss the paper catalogs. They were often more useful than the web
> sites.

Paper catalogs are great when you're not quite sure what you want,
and need to see options. I'll still find myself browsing through
the McMater-C catalog to see what's available.
It's an important function, the Mc-C online catalog actually does a
decent job at letting you browse.

George H.

(The index of the Mc-C paper catalog is a work or art,
at least I appreciate it's beauty... certainly fading in
this computer database age.)

NicoleK

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Oct 13, 2015, 9:00:43 AM10/13/15
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>John Larkin wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> They give you a zillion choices. Like if you want a mosfet from 20 to
>> 50 amps, there are 30 or more, in tiny increments as low as 0.1 amps.
>> And ditto for voltages. So if you select a reasonable range of parts,
>> it complains that you have selected too many filters.
>>
>> Back to Digikey!
>Yup, Mouser's search engine can't compare to Digi-Key's. Nobody else's
is
>much better than Mouser's. But, some of the other distributors have
better
>
>prices. Newark and sometimes Allied have better prices on big IR
MOSFETs.
>Mouser has a much better selection of big electrolytic caps.
>
>Jon

Mouser is convenient to me than Digikey. Digikey requires more click to
get the price, I also use RS-online as a back up.


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krw

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Oct 13, 2015, 12:19:25 PM10/13/15
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 08:00:36 -0500, "NicoleK"
<108616@Electronics-Related> wrote:

>>John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They give you a zillion choices. Like if you want a mosfet from 20 to
>>> 50 amps, there are 30 or more, in tiny increments as low as 0.1 amps.
>>> And ditto for voltages. So if you select a reasonable range of parts,
>>> it complains that you have selected too many filters.
>>>
>>> Back to Digikey!
>>Yup, Mouser's search engine can't compare to Digi-Key's. Nobody else's
>is
>>much better than Mouser's. But, some of the other distributors have
>better
>>
>>prices. Newark and sometimes Allied have better prices on big IR
>MOSFETs.
>>Mouser has a much better selection of big electrolytic caps.
>>
>>Jon
>
>Mouser is convenient to me than Digikey. Digikey requires more click to
>get the price, I also use RS-online as a back up.
>
What's a mouse-click worth to you? I find DigiKey to be much cheaper
for most components (connectors seem to be an exception). DigiKey
also carries a broader inventory so I make fewer multiple-supplier
orders.
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