Coming Soon to Your State...
Jim Thompson
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Joel Koltner
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Cool, maybe we'll get a Fry's here in southern Oregon close to the border. :-)
Hal Murray
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>Coming Soon to Your State...
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
electricity use in California, according to the state's
energy commission.
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Hal Murray wrote:
>
> In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com>,
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
> >Coming Soon to Your State...
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
> >All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>
> Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
> electricity use in California, according to the state's
> energy commission.
Sure, after they ran off all the businesses and put millions on
unemployment.
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Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com>,
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>>Coming Soon to Your State...
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm All you Sunday football
>>jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>
> Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home electricity use in
> California, according to the state's energy commission.
So what? Why not just pay the bill? Apparently that's not good enough for
the econazis.
Thanks,
Rich
Jim Thompson
>In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com>,
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>>Coming Soon to Your State...
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>>All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>
>Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
>electricity use in California, according to the state's
>energy commission.
That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
I would expect your refrigerator, or washer and dryer to account for
more.
...Jim Thompson
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Civilization began when communities stopped leaving their ill,
injured or wounded behind to die alone.
Civilization ends when governments decide whether you have enough
value to the community to be worth getting medical care.
Joe Chisolm
Wonder if the TV will have to have a revenue sticker on it.
Hollyweird will do a remake of the movie White Lightning but
this time Gator McKlusky will be running TVs instead of moonshine.
Wonder how many flat screen TVs you can get in the trunk of a 1972
Ford Galaxie.
--
Joe Chisolm
Marble Falls, Tx.
Oppie
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:lthbg5dgr4sldiopk...@4ax.com...
>>Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
>>electricity use in California, according to the state's
>>energy commission.
>
> That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
>
> I would expect your refrigerator, or washer and dryer to account for
> more.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Gee, I thought that Californians didn't use refrigerators, preferring to use
root cellars, cold mountain streams or dry preservation of perishables.
Washing is done downstream of where the perishables are stored and drying is
on a clothesline.
...not so? Maybe the wackos aren't as green as they claim to be.
In an age where most of my neighbors are clamoring for 200Amp, 220V service
entrances, I updated my house wiring but kept the original 60A/220V service.
In an outage, I can run most everything in the house from a 5KW backup
generator. Only thing I can't run is the old school Maytag washer. The
startup surge is just too much.
I'm waiting to see how long before they start making LCD TVs with an
optional light pipe input fed from a solar collector.
Oppie
41.01,-73.76 (precision truncated for privacy)
Jim Thompson
I'd guess quite a few... my '68 Ford Thunderbird trunk would hold 3
standard (metal) trash cans with the lid closed ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Hmmm, Daytime TVee ?
Cheers
mpm
Murray) wrote:
> In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2tqfki7fenkt49j...@4ax.com>,
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>
> >Coming Soon to Your State...
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
> >All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>
> Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
> electricity use in California, according to the state's
> energy commission.
>
> --
> These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.
I wonder what percentage of those TV sets are tuned to FOX "News"?
-mpm
mpm
Web-Site.com> wrote:
Replying to Hal Murphy's post.
> >Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
> >electricity use in California, according to the state's
> >energy commission.
>
> That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
>
> I would expect your refrigerator, or washer and dryer to account for
> more.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Here, it would be the air conditioner - without question!
I agree the 10% sounds like a total SWAG.
As for the fridge, washer & dryer -
You don't forage or do laundry 16 hours a day either - unless you're
"Octomom", I guess. :)
BTW Jim, speaking of couch potatoes...
"Herbie" (our dachshund) passed away last week. He was 14. Sure miss
him!
He was a really great couch buddy!
-mpm
Martin Brown
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:01:08 -0600,
>> hal-u...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) wrote:
>>
>>> In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com>,
>>> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>>>> Coming Soon to Your State...
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>>>> All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>>> Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
>>> electricity use in California, according to the state's
>>> energy commission.
>> That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
>
> A leftist weenie like Republican Governor Schwarzenegger?
He has a working brain so he doesn't qualify as a true Republicon.
> "I applaud the commission for its hard work to enact these and other
> cost-effective energy efficiency standards that are not only great for
> the environment, but also good for consumers," the governor said in a
> statement.
>
>> I would expect your refrigerator, or washer and dryer to account for
>> more.
>>
> And they do. What part of 10% doesn't allow for other items to
> account for more?
Actually a refrigerator (at least a well made one only uses a small
amount of power these days) thermal insulation is very good now so it
depends how often you open the fridge door. Most of the time it is idle.
There is a huge current spike when the compressor starts up but the
average power used is modest.
Air conditioning and space heating are the biggest consumers of domestic
power.
> Even so, 10% is way too much for a non-essential
> device, and it's growing (Plasma TVs use 3 times the power of old CRTs
> and LCDs use 1.5 time the power of CRTs).
Also some of the modern ones leave the digital decoder on all the time
so that connected recording devices can use its output. This means a
continuous baseload contribution of 20-30W even in standby!
Various enterprising companies sell devices that power down units with
badly behaved standby power consumption and reawake them when the "on"
code is seen by a separate IR sensor. There is no excuse with modern PSU
technology to have consumer mains items using more than 1W in standby.
The move to ban standby is seriously misguided. Requiring it to only
draw a tiny amount of current would be a better design goal.
>
> I would think that an engineer like yourself would appreciate higher
> standards in consumer electronics (especially since they create work
> for engineers). Are you so blinded by your anti-government agenda
> that you can't recognize a good thing when you see it?
It is odd how standby currents vary. I have server with a PSU intended
to run 24/7 and it is <1W on standby whereas new consumer PCs tend to be
around 5W when nominally switched off. PC sound systems are amongst the
worst designed boxes of junk with some consuming almost as much power
when switched off as they do when running!
Regards,
Martin Brown
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:01:08 -0600,
>>hal-u...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2...@4ax.com>,
>>> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>>>>Coming Soon to Your State...
>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
>>>>All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>>>
>>>Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
>>>electricity use in California, according to the state's
>>>energy commission.
>>
>>That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
>
>A leftist weenie like Republican Governor Schwarzenegger?
>
>"I applaud the commission for its hard work to enact these and other
>cost-effective energy efficiency standards that are not only great for
>the environment, but also good for consumers," the governor said in a
>statement.
>
>>I would expect your refrigerator, or washer and dryer to account for
>>more.
>>
>And they do. What part of 10% doesn't allow for other items to
>account for more? Even so, 10% is way too much for a non-essential
>device, and it's growing (Plasma TVs use 3 times the power of old CRTs
>and LCDs use 1.5 time the power of CRTs).
>
>I would think that an engineer like yourself would appreciate higher
>standards in consumer electronics (especially since they create work
>for engineers). Are you so blinded by your anti-government agenda
>that you can't recognize a good thing when you see it?
Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
Don't you think consumers know how high their electric bills are?
...Jim Thompson
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that they know so much that just isn't so" -Ronald Reagan
Martin Brown
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:22:28 -0400, Steve Hall <sha...@canada.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I would think that an engineer like yourself would appreciate higher
>> standards in consumer electronics (especially since they create work
>> for engineers). Are you so blinded by your anti-government agenda
>> that you can't recognize a good thing when you see it?
>
> Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
> and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
>
> Don't you think consumers know how high their electric bills are?
Dunno what it is like in the States, but for some of the UK electricity
companies more obscure tariffs I would have to say that it is virtually
impossible for an ordinary member of the public to work out the charging
structure of their electricity bill and choose the best buy supplier.
nPower is notorious for complex household bills that take about an hour
to decode and even then it is subject to interpretation. They have been
hammered several times for deliberate overcharging and incredibly opaque
billing methodologies. I used to be a customer. Not any more.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/may/24/householdbills.consumeraffairs
Officially named as "Britain's worst energy provider" 2008...
Regards,
Martin Brown
Joel Koltner
message
> and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
I think most people agree that's a fine starting place, but there's a real
problem in that you aren't going to like it if the city down the road from you
starts burning coal, doesn't bother with any emmissions controls (that stuff's
expensive!), and makes it hard for you breathe when the wind is heading your
way. Hence we start to regulate shared resources such as the air, and it
snowballs from there.
Also, while I do think we'd have some reasonably fuel efficient cars today if
there'd never been CAFE standards, I also think that those standards have
created many cars of a given performance level with better fuel economy and
emissions. I.e., the standards caused technological innovation more quickly
than would otherwise have occurred. Most people would consider this a Good
Thing, although I'd grant you reasonable people could disagree based on the
costs involved or whatnot.
I kinda wonder when the chain stores figured out that there was more money to
be made by not stocking windshield wiper blade refills and instead only
stocking complete wiper arm replacements...?
---Joel
Spehro Pefhany
wrote:
>On Nov 19, 5:36�pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
>Web-Site.com> wrote:
>Replying to Hal Murphy's post.
>
>> >Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
>> >electricity use in California, according to the state's
>> >energy commission.
>>
>> That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
>>
>> I would expect your refrigerator, or washer and dryer to account for
>> more.
>>
>> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � ...Jim Thompson
>
>Here, it would be the air conditioner - without question!
>I agree the 10% sounds like a total SWAG.
Only because it's suspicously rounded-off. I'll bet they spent
millions on studies. The 10% does include set-top boxes, VCRs, DVD
players etc.
Interesting that they found a 3:1 difference in power consumption for
similar mid-size (52") LCD TV sets.
Jim Thompson
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>message
>> Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
>> and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
>
>I think most people agree that's a fine starting place, but there's a real
>problem in that you aren't going to like it if the city down the road from you
>starts burning coal, doesn't bother with any emmissions controls (that stuff's
>expensive!), and makes it hard for you breathe when the wind is heading your
>way. Hence we start to regulate shared resources such as the air, and it
>snowballs from there.
"Liberals" always pick some absurd example trying desperately to make
"points'.
>
>Also, while I do think we'd have some reasonably fuel efficient cars today if
>there'd never been CAFE standards, I also think that those standards have
>created many cars of a given performance level with better fuel economy and
>emissions. I.e., the standards caused technological innovation more quickly
>than would otherwise have occurred. Most people would consider this a Good
>Thing, although I'd grant you reasonable people could disagree based on the
>costs involved or whatnot.
Well? You're about to get a dose of government
cost-controlled-by-rationing medical "care" ;-)
>
>I kinda wonder when the chain stores figured out that there was more money to
>be made by not stocking windshield wiper blade refills and instead only
>stocking complete wiper arm replacements...?
>
>---Joel
>
Where do you shop? I have no trouble buying blade refills... was
Checker Auto... now CSK, or is it now O'Reilly ?:-)
I think auto parts stores are dying because we are now a nation of
incompetents... I just heard a number of 49% of our nation qualify for
food stamps :-(
No surprise I guess. Even supposedly rational voters let warm and
fuzzy political correctness elect a totally incompetent President :-(
...Jim Thompson
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Fed up with the way the present administration is going?
Turn out in force in 2010 and change the face of Congress.
Then impeach the wuss.
Joel Koltner
> "Liberals" always pick some absurd example trying desperately to make
> "points'.
My point was that pretty much everyone -- even conservatives -- support plenty
of laws that noticeably raise the costs for individuals engaging in some task
based on nothing more than the desires of "everyone" (well, at least as
represented by our democratically elected legislators and all... but I mean,
the constitution has nothing about guaranteeing you unpolluted air and water,
you know?). I.e., almost no one *really* supports a completely laissez-faire
style of capitalism.
> Well? You're about to get a dose of government
> cost-controlled-by-rationing medical "care" ;-)
Yes, I agree, and it's going to cost an incredibly large amount of money. Yet
I'm optimistic that there's a very good chance that 5-10 years from people
overall will feel they're better off and that the costs were worth it.
From your PSA results I'm thinking you're a pretty healthy guy, Jim, and
you'll most likely be around in a decade to tell me I was wrong if that's the
case. :-)
> Where do you shop?
The big chain stores like Wally World, K Mart, etc. I'll have to check out
the auto parts stores next time; good to know they're still available there.
> I think auto parts stores are dying because we are now a nation of
> incompetents...
To some degree, sure, but also cars are simply more reliable today to begin
with... and arguably it's somewhat harder to work on them as well, especially
if you have to get the car to pass emissions/fault testing rather than simply
"running OK."
Radio Shacks are just about dead too, but in electronics the wealth of on-line
parts availability makes up for it many times over. I wouldn't be surprised
if the same is true of auto parts -- it's just gone to the Internet.
> No surprise I guess. Even supposedly rational voters let warm and
> fuzzy political correctness elect a totally incompetent President :-(
Oh, come on, I bet if your choice were Carter or Obama you'd still stick with
Barack! :-)
---Joel
Jim Thompson
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>message news:5jpdg5hl2en7ouvio...@4ax.com...
>> "Liberals" always pick some absurd example trying desperately to make
>> "points'.
>
>My point was that pretty much everyone -- even conservatives -- support plenty
>of laws that noticeably raise the costs for individuals engaging in some task
>based on nothing more than the desires of "everyone" (well, at least as
>represented by our democratically elected legislators and all... but I mean,
>the constitution has nothing about guaranteeing you unpolluted air and water,
>you know?). I.e., almost no one *really* supports a completely laissez-faire
>style of capitalism.
>
>> Well? You're about to get a dose of government
>> cost-controlled-by-rationing medical "care" ;-)
>
>Yes, I agree, and it's going to cost an incredibly large amount of money. Yet
>I'm optimistic that there's a very good chance that 5-10 years from people
>overall will feel they're better off and that the costs were worth it.
More cost and less service is better?
>
>From your PSA results I'm thinking you're a pretty healthy guy, Jim, and
>you'll most likely be around in a decade to tell me I was wrong if that's the
>case. :-)
That PSA is "low-normal for my age". What spooked the doc, was the
delta from last year. My guess is either a defective test, or a
result from going on Hytrin mid-year to stop that "going and going and
going... urgency" stuff that hits us old farts ;-)
That Hytrin stuff works... I can go out and have a 3-Martini lunch,
then go shopping for a few hours, then go home, before needing a "pit
stop".
I'll get another PSA test in one month and then another in three
months... all at your expense ;-)
>
>> Where do you shop?
>
>The big chain stores like Wally World, K Mart, etc. I'll have to check out
>the auto parts stores next time; good to know they're still available there.
I never shop those big chain stores... they always smell like someone
urinated on the floor :-(
I do, however, have business accounts at Sam's Club and Costco.
>
>> I think auto parts stores are dying because we are now a nation of
>> incompetents...
>
>To some degree, sure, but also cars are simply more reliable today to begin
>with... and arguably it's somewhat harder to work on them as well, especially
>if you have to get the car to pass emissions/fault testing rather than simply
>"running OK."
>
>Radio Shacks are just about dead too, but in electronics the wealth of on-line
>parts availability makes up for it many times over. I wouldn't be surprised
>if the same is true of auto parts -- it's just gone to the Internet.
>
>> No surprise I guess. Even supposedly rational voters let warm and
>> fuzzy political correctness elect a totally incompetent President :-(
>
>Oh, come on, I bet if your choice were Carter or Obama you'd still stick with
>Barack! :-)
>
>---Joel
>
You've got it wrong, I'd choose incompetent_AND_ ineffective over
incompetent_AND_bully every time ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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"I have a dream that [we] will one day live in a nation where
[Obama] will not be judged by the color of [his] skin but by the
content of [his] character."
Obama will then be impeached.
"Free at last! free at last! Thank God Almighty, we [will be] free
at last!"
Joel Koltner
message
What might be more cost and less service for you could translate into less
cost and more service for, say, 10 other people (in other words... yes, public
health care is a form of wealth redistribution, it is socialist in nature,
etc., etc...).
> I'll get another PSA test in one month and then another in three
> months... all at your expense ;-)
Fine by me -- I certainly benefit from your remaining healthy and continuing
to provide good free technical advice here on SED; there's no denying you've
provided a wealth of useful services over the years!
> I never shop those big chain stores... they always smell like someone
> urinated on the floor :-(
Check out peopleofwalmart.com if you really want to be disturbed...
---Joel
Michael A. Terrell
I got a phone call last night that Maggie died on Wendesday.
http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.terrell/photos.html
Rich Grise
> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
> message
>> Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
>> and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
>
> I think most people agree that's a fine starting place, but there's a real
> problem in that you aren't going to like it if the city down the road from
> you starts burning coal, doesn't bother with any emmissions controls (that
> stuff's expensive!), and makes it hard for you breathe when the wind is
> heading your way.
That's what HEPA filters and air exchangers are for.
And realistically, what are the odds of this happening? Or are you just
being sensationalistic?
Hope This Helps!
Rich
Joel Koltner
news:pan.2009.11.20...@example.net...
> That's what HEPA filters and air exchangers are for.
Still, Jim would be the one who had to buy those filters. That's not right...
or are you suggesting he should just move if he doesn't like it?
> And realistically, what are the odds of this happening? Or are you just
> being sensationalistic?
The odds are effectively unity. Polluted waterways and -- perhaps to a
somewhat lesser extent -- air was a *significant* problem prior to discharge
regulations becoming law. It continues to be a significant problem in places
like China... and even in the U.S., we spend enormous amounts of money
cleaning up past transgressions (see, e.g., superfund sites).
--Joel
krw
wrote:
>On Nov 19, 4:01�pm, hal-use...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal
None. Leftist weenies don't watch any news that might contradict
their myopic world view.
Jon
"Steve Hall" <sha...@canada.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
>>
> And they do. What part of 10% doesn't allow for other items to
> account for more? Even so, 10% is way too much for a non-essential
> device, and it's growing (Plasma TVs use 3 times the power of old CRTs
> and LCDs use 1.5 time the power of CRTs).
>
> standards in consumer electronics (especially since they create work
> for engineers). Are you so blinded by your anti-government agenda
> that you can't recognize a good thing when you see it?
When will they go after the vacuum makers? I'm sure you've seen the
ads, "...now with 12 AMPS of cleaning!". How about the same cleaning
on 5 amps?
Clint Sharp
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes
>Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
>and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
>
>Don't you think consumers know how high their electric bills are?
have little idea which appliances cause them to be high. Plasma TVs are
power hogs, without reading the article thoroughly I bet that's the type
of screen they are talking about.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
--
Clint Sharp
Jim Thompson
You didn't note my calculation of $5.25/month for a plasma set, based
on my usage of 3.5 hours per day?
Hardly an amount I would even notice...
My electric bill dropped from $601/mo to $325/mo this past bill... it
got cool here in Arizona ;-)
Glenn Gundlach
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:01:08 -0600,
>
> >>In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2tqfki7fenkt49j...@4ax.com>,
> >>>Coming Soon to Your State...
> >>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8367545.stm
> >>>All you Sunday football jocks are out-of-luck ;-)
>
> >>Television usage currently accounts for 10% of home
> >>electricity use in California, according to the state's
> >>energy commission.
>
> >That sounds patently like a leftist weenie's "guesstimation".
>
>
> "I applaud the commission for its hard work to enact these and other
> cost-effective energy efficiency standards that are not only great for
> the environment, but also good for consumers," the governor said in a
> statement.
>
> >more.
>
> account for more? Even so, 10% is way too much for a non-essential
> device, and it's growing (Plasma TVs use 3 times the power of old CRTs
> and LCDs use 1.5 time the power of CRTs).
>
> I would think that an engineer like yourself would appreciate higher
> standards in consumer electronics (especially since they create work
> for engineers). Are you so blinded by your anti-government agenda
> that you can't recognize a good thing when you see it?
Pulliing numbers out of a hat here? Early color TVs were in the
400-500 watt area with a 21" round tube (all there was back then). Go
get a Kill-a watt and get back to us.
G²
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>I drive an SUV and don't need roads. Why should my tax dollars pay
>for your roads you leftist weenie? :)
If you truly drove only off-road, you'd know full-well that you don't
have to even register your vehicle. For example, farm vehicles don't
have to pay the taxes on gasoline.
Clint Sharp
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes
>
>No surprise I guess. Even supposedly rational voters let warm and
>fuzzy political correctness elect a totally incompetent President :-(
but hey...
Jim Thompson
Do you Brits actually think we care what you think?
Obama would like to lay down and kiss your ass... the next Prez will
then kick it ;-)
Clint Sharp
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes
>
>You didn't note my calculation of $5.25/month for a plasma set, based
>on my usage of 3.5 hours per day?
for most homes if not more.
>Hardly an amount I would even notice...
True, but you're not exactly a typical home owner, you know what a watt
is....
>
>My electric bill dropped from $601/mo to $325/mo this past bill... it
>got cool here in Arizona ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
--
Clint Sharp
mpm
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> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:57:17 -0400, Steve Hall <sha...@canada.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:22:28 -0400, Steve Hall <sha...@canada.com>
> >>wrote:
>
>
> >>>>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:01:08 -0600,
>
> >>>>>In article <cjlag5pj0abrroqc2tqfki7fenkt49j...@4ax.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Humm, that's interesting.
Never really thought much about that -- being a city boy and all....
But I wonder - do farm tractors have to pay the fuel tax on corn
ethonol? :)
Clint Sharp
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes
>
>Do you Brits actually think we care what you think?
sense of humour...
Michael A. Terrell
Clint Sharp wrote:
>
> Nope, not in the slightest (which works both ways BTW) but we do have a
> sense of humour...
Too bad that they rarely show it.
keithr
>
> Clint Sharp wrote:
>>
>> Nope, not in the slightest (which works both ways BTW) but we do have a
>> sense of humour...
>
>
> Too bad that they rarely show it.
More often than in the US.
Hal Murray
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
>and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
Why do we need the government to run fire departments?
I thought (parts of?) Arizona had fire departments that were
run and paid for by fire insurance.
Jim Thompson
hal-u...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) wrote:
>In article <m0cdg51m5mb4jci1b...@4ax.com>,
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>
>>Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments...
>>and leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
>
>Why do we need the government to run fire departments?
>
>I thought (parts of?) Arizona had fire departments that were
>run and paid for by fire insurance.
Indeed! RuralMetro company. But they were cherry-picking areas, and
refusing to service even across a street.
In one instance they let a Jack-in-the-Box burn to the ground along
Scottsdale Road, because it was in Phoenix and not in Scottsdale, even
though their station was just across the street.
Hal, Why do you have "Followup-To: _empty_entry_ " set? "Reply-to"
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Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>
>>Governments should build roads and run police and fire departments... and
>>leave the marketplace to make such decisions.
>
> Why do we need the government to run fire departments?
>
> I thought (parts of?) Arizona had fire departments that were run and paid
> for by fire insurance.
We could get along with about ten percent of the cops we've already got if
we would simply call off the insane war on drugs.
Cheers!
Rich