Scum Zionist peadophile
Matt Giwer
The daily post anyway so everyone knows what zionists are like.
Not only do they attempt to disrupt newsgroups they deal in kiddie
porn. No one can take a zionist seriously as not on zionist has
condemned this behavior in unquivocal terms.
In fact every post has been a backhanded approval.
--
Algore invented the Lava Lamp.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 350
wf...@ptd.net
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> Is he not still posting?
>
> The daily post anyway so everyone knows what zionists are like.
>
is there a reason this psychopath is posting this to talk.origins?
Ken Cope
Yes, he was brought back here and encouraged by that psychopath Peter Nyikos.
Elephant
> [snip]
> Algore invented the Lava Lamp.
> -- The Iron Webmaster, 350
had I but known this, he would have received my vote.
> [snip] Soon to be a daily maybe hourly posting to keep the crazy up all
>
> night. If you are new and don't know what it going on read
> http://www.giwersworld.org/computers/newsagent.phtml for background. Updated
> to include the origin of the cancelation attack.
> [snip]
giwersworld, huh? Is that kind of like Elmo's World on a DMT trip gone horribly
wrong? I can only imagine. Oh well, back to my usual routine of zionist world
domination. Thanks for the update.
--
~~to e-mail a reply, remove the obvious spam blockers~~
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>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
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>> On 25 May 2001 06:15:30 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
>> wrote:
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>> > Is he not still posting?
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>> > The daily post anyway so everyone knows what zionists are like.
>> >
>>
>> is there a reason this psychopath is posting this to talk.origins?
>
> I have no idea why the zionist kiddie porn dealer is canceling posts in
>talk.origins. Do you?
>
whatever anyone ELSE is doing has nothing to do with the fact you're a
lunatic.
Matt Giwer
Actually even interpol is involved in it. Patience.
--
Building up your enemies into supermen is an an ego boost.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 457
Matt Giwer
>
> On 25 May 2001 09:51:46 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> wrote:
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> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >>
> >> On 25 May 2001 06:15:30 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> >> > Is he not still posting?
> >> >
> >> > The daily post anyway so everyone knows what zionists are like.
> >> >
> >>
> >> is there a reason this psychopath is posting this to talk.origins?
> >
> > I have no idea why the zionist kiddie porn dealer is canceling posts in
> >talk.origins. Do you?
> >
>
> whatever anyone ELSE is doing has nothing to do with the fact you're a
> lunatic.
Patience child. The FBI, RCMP and Interpol are all involved and
searching. Kiddie porn is involved. Using an alias is not a defense.
--
Teach a man to fish and eventually he will return the favor
by teaching you to be a better fisherman.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 797
wf...@ptd.net
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>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>>
>> whatever anyone ELSE is doing has nothing to do with the fact you're a
>> lunatic.
>
> Patience child. The FBI, RCMP and Interpol are all involved and
>searching. Kiddie porn is involved. Using an alias is not a defense.
>
which still has nothing to do with the fact you're a lunatic. im not
talking about HIM, im talking about YOU.
Peter Nyikos
His fellow psychopath
Pat James claimed he'd been telling the talk.origins
people about my involvement with Matt Giwer,
so I added the newsgroup because Pat is a wanton
liar. Just check all the lies he told Morphis
about me; I've pointed them out in a post about an
hour ago.
Peter Nyikos -- standard disclaimer --
Matt Giwer
I said patience. Amd you do not deny the peadophile zionist so what is
your point?
As Zionist paedophile. So what is the issue? Are not they all? The
failure to condemn the kiddie pron dealer damns all zionists as
promoters of fucking children.
Sorry but I read the find posts.
--
What is Zen? half duplex
-- The Iron Webmaster, 477
wf...@ptd.net
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>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
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>> On 26 May 2001 06:55:09 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>> >>
>> >> whatever anyone ELSE is doing has nothing to do with the fact you're a
>> >> lunatic.
>> >
>> > Patience child. The FBI, RCMP and Interpol are all involved and
>> >searching. Kiddie porn is involved. Using an alias is not a defense.
>> >
>>
>> which still has nothing to do with the fact you're a lunatic. im not
>> talking about HIM, im talking about YOU.
>
> I said patience. Amd you do not deny the peadophile zionist so what is
>your point?
my point is that you're nuts. i dont have any opinion on the person
you're calling a zionist pedophile.
Pat James
(in message <2001052611...@kappa.math.sc.edu>):
I love you too, Petey.
--
Scientific creationism: a religious dogma combining massive ignorance with
incredible arrogance.
Creationist: (1) One who follows creationism. (2) A moron. (3) A person
incapable of doing math. (4) A liar. (5) A very gullible true believer.
Matt Giwer [reposted because of rogue cancel]
Actually even interpol is involved in it. Patience.
--
Building up your enemies into supermen is an an ego boost.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 457
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Matt Giwer [reposted because of rogue cancel]
>
> On 25 May 2001 09:51:46 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
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> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
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> >> On 25 May 2001 06:15:30 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> >> wrote:
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> >> > Is he not still posting?
> >> >
> >> > The daily post anyway so everyone knows what zionists are like.
> >> >
> >>
> >> is there a reason this psychopath is posting this to talk.origins?
> >
> > I have no idea why the zionist kiddie porn dealer is canceling posts in
> >talk.origins. Do you?
> >
>
> whatever anyone ELSE is doing has nothing to do with the fact you're a
> lunatic.
Patience child. The FBI, RCMP and Interpol are all involved and
searching. Kiddie porn is involved. Using an alias is not a defense.
--
Teach a man to fish and eventually he will return the favor
by teaching you to be a better fisherman.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 797
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Matt Giwer [reposted because of rogue cancel]
I said patience. Amd you do not deny the peadophile zionist so what is
your point?
As Zionist paedophile. So what is the issue? Are not they all? The
failure to condemn the kiddie pron dealer damns all zionists as
promoters of fucking children.
Sorry but I read the find posts.
--
What is Zen? half duplex
-- The Iron Webmaster, 477
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wf...@ptd.net
>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>>
>>
>> whatever anyone ELSE is doing has nothing to do with the fact you're a
>> lunatic.
>
> Patience child. The FBI, RCMP and Interpol are all involved and
>searching. Kiddie porn is involved. Using an alias is not a defense.
>
why are the FBI and RCMP investigating you? what did you do? you
involved in kiddie porn?
wf...@ptd.net
[reposted because of rogue cancel] wrote:
>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>>
>> On 26 May 2001 06:55:09 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>> >>
>> >> whatever anyone ELSE is doing has nothing to do with the fact you're a
>> >> lunatic.
>> >
>> > Patience child. The FBI, RCMP and Interpol are all involved and
>> >searching. Kiddie porn is involved. Using an alias is not a defense.
>> >
>>
>> which still has nothing to do with the fact you're a lunatic. im not
>> talking about HIM, im talking about YOU.
>
> I said patience. Amd you do not deny the peadophile zionist so what is
>your point?
my point is you're unable to confront the fact you're an antisemite.
im talking about you, and no one else.
>
> As Zionist paedophile. So what is the issue? Are not they all? The
>failure to condemn the kiddie pron dealer damns all zionists as
>promoters of fucking children.
>
oh. gee. i didnt know that. thanks for clearing it up. did you write
that by the light of your burning cross?
David Iain Greig
As long as Mr. Giwer abides by the crosspost limit, he will not be
blocked from posting to talk.origins. He is rapidly approaching
spam-trigger limits in reposting endlessly. Cancels of spam are
expressly not prohibited by the t.o. charter.
--D.
>
Matt Giwer
I have never initiated a cross post to t.o. as you should know. I am
not responsible for those who do. And I have never reposted anything to
t.o. and if you have a problem you can talk to guido about it.
And if you do not know what I am talking about, I am not responsible
for educating you on the subject.
--
All lives are equal even if they are Palestinians.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 257
Matt Giwer
>
> On 26 May 2001 07:45:22 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> [reposted because of rogue cancel] wrote:
>
> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >>
> >> On 26 May 2001 06:55:09 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> whatever anyone ELSE is doing has nothing to do with the fact you're a
> >> >> lunatic.
> >> >
> >> > Patience child. The FBI, RCMP and Interpol are all involved and
> >> >searching. Kiddie porn is involved. Using an alias is not a defense.
> >> >
> >>
> >> which still has nothing to do with the fact you're a lunatic. im not
> >> talking about HIM, im talking about YOU.
> >
> > I said patience. Amd you do not deny the peadophile zionist so what is
> >your point?
>
> my point is you're unable to confront the fact you're an antisemite.
> im talking about you, and no one else.
Not being ignorant and stupid like you I know Arabs are semites.
As to confrontation, If antizionism were antijudaism it would be a
moral imperative.
If you has two brain cells to rub together they would be too busy
trying to procreate to let you get a thought in edgewise.
I find no problem confronting anti-zionism after the Israeli attack on
the Liberty where those zionist scum murdered 34 and wounded 171
Americans. I also have no love of LBJ who spared Tel Aviv a modest
nuking over it. And I do appreciate Bush Sr. finally awarding the
Captain of the Liberty the CMH but I despise it being in private and
Congress awarding it in private for valor in the face of the enemy.
Is that clear enough or do you need to take a refresher course in
modern history?
> > As Zionist paedophile. So what is the issue? Are not they all? The
> >failure to condemn the kiddie pron dealer damns all zionists as
> >promoters of fucking children.
> oh. gee. i didnt know that. thanks for clearing it up. did you write
> that by the light of your burning cross?
A Menorah is always burning. Even though it is racist from start to
finish.
--
Gun control is a demonstration of the
triumph of hope over experience.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 584
Matt Giwer
The Zionist who is doing the forgeries is.
http://www.giwersworld.org/computers/newsagent.phtml
read and weep.
The zionist paedophile posted to sell kiddie porn in the name of
another. Next time you are before a judge just tell him it is OK because
you used an alias. That goes about as far as selling oregano as
marijuana.
Engaging in a crime is not mitigated by using an alias. It is the same
crime and the attempt to incriminate another and a few other crimes
related to that come into place.
And it is a filthy zionist doing it.
optushome.com.au has returned to its criminal ways as a felonious
hacker.
If you need any more information on the subject, email me privately for
rates on your elementary education.
wf...@ptd.net
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>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>>
>> On 26 May 2001 06:55:09 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
>> [reposted because of rogue cancel] wrote:
>>
>> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> whatever anyone ELSE is doing has nothing to do with the fact you're a
>> >> lunatic.
>> >
>> > Patience child. The FBI, RCMP and Interpol are all involved and
>> >searching. Kiddie porn is involved. Using an alias is not a defense.
>> >
>>
>> why are the FBI and RCMP investigating you? what did you do? you
>> involved in kiddie porn?
>
> The Zionist who is doing the forgeries is.
you did forgeries? is that why the RCMP and FBI are investigating you?
what did you forge? how can i help the FBI?
>
>
> If you need any more information on the subject, email me privately for
>rates on your elementary education.
>
having educated you on the presence of ovens at dachau, i already know
about your credibility.
ĞTÜ�Ñkë�ğ
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> The zionist paedophile posted to sell kiddie porn in the name of
>another. Next time you are before a judge just tell him it is OK because
>you used an alias. That goes about as far as selling oregano as
>marijuana.
What's the basis for this peadophile/Kiddie porn thing?
Is there some specific proof of this?
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>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
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>>
>> my point is you're unable to confront the fact you're an antisemite.
>> im talking about you, and no one else.
>
> Not being ignorant and stupid like you I know Arabs are semites.
irrelevant.
>
> As to confrontation, If antizionism were antijudaism it would be a
>moral imperative.
more antisemitism.
>
> I find no problem confronting anti-zionism after the Israeli attack on
>the Liberty where those zionist scum murdered 34 and wounded 171
>Americans.
ah. i see. and our attacks on my lai and no gun ri were sterling
examples of american chivalry...
interesting.
> Is that clear enough or do you need to take a refresher course in
>modern history?
>
>> > As Zionist paedophile. So what is the issue? Are not they all? The
>> >failure to condemn the kiddie pron dealer damns all zionists as
>> >promoters of fucking children.
>
>> oh. gee. i didnt know that. thanks for clearing it up. did you write
>> that by the light of your burning cross?
>
> A Menorah is always burning. Even though it is racist from start to
>finish.
rarely has anyone ever confused a cross with a menorah.
no wonder you cant think.
>
>--
>Gun control is a demonstration of the
>triumph of hope over experience.
no, its an example of reality, which works.
Matt Giwer
My correct points are the person doing the cancelation is both a
zionist and a paedophile and has been connected to nizkor.org by
hub.org. Read
http://www.giwersworld.org/computers/newsagent.phtml
for details. If you cannot read that is a public school problem. If you
cannot comprehend that is your problem. That URL has hundreds of reads
and I have been warned it will soon be slashdotted. Your ignorance if
you do not know that that means.
--
Total land for total peace.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 16
wf...@ptd.net
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>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>>
>>
>> my point is that you're nuts. i dont have any opinion on the person
>> you're calling a zionist pedophile.
>
> My correct points are the person doing the cancelation is both a
>zionist and a paedophile and has been connected to nizkor.org by
>hub.org. Read
>
>http://www.giwersworld.org/computers/newsagent.phtml
>
> for details. If you cannot read that is a public school problem.
ZZZOOOMMMM!!
the point goes over the point on your bedsheet.
i dont give a damn about the person doing the cancelation. couldnt
possibly care less. not a bit.
my point is that we KNOW you're a liar. why should we care about your
opinion of others?
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> I have never initiated a cross post to t.o. as you should know. I am
> not responsible for those who do.
"It's not my fault - he's the one who is tango-ing."
YOU ARE responsible for posting to t.o, even if only in response
to another post. You are not talking about evolution, you are
not talking about medieval history, you are not talking about
ancient history, and you are not talking about economics - so
knock it off.
taf
Matt Giwer
>
> On 29 May 2001 10:14:01 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >>
> >> On 26 May 2001 06:55:09 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> >> [reposted because of rogue cancel] wrote:
> >>
> >> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> whatever anyone ELSE is doing has nothing to do with the fact you're a
> >> >> lunatic.
> >> >
> >> > Patience child. The FBI, RCMP and Interpol are all involved and
> >> >searching. Kiddie porn is involved. Using an alias is not a defense.
> >> >
> >>
> >> why are the FBI and RCMP investigating you? what did you do? you
> >> involved in kiddie porn?
> >
> > The Zionist who is doing the forgeries is.
>
> you did forgeries? is that why the RCMP and FBI are investigating you?
>
> what did you forge? how can i help the FBI?
hou...@fbi.gov and I will email this communication of yours to them as
you have said you have knowledge of the crime.
Thank you for stepping forward with your information.
> > If you need any more information on the subject, email me privately for
> >rates on your elementary education.
> >
> having educated you on the presence of ovens at dachau, i already know
> about your credibility.
--
Sharon says, The indiscriminate shelling of Palestinians
will continue until the violence stops.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 775
Matt Giwer
>
> On 29 May 2001 08:29:21 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> my point is you're unable to confront the fact you're an antisemite.
> >> im talking about you, and no one else.
> >
> > Not being ignorant and stupid like you I know Arabs are semites.
>
> irrelevant.
I do not see your ignorance as irrelevant.
> > As to confrontation, If antizionism were antijudaism it would be a
> >moral imperative.
> more antisemitism.
Zionism is a political movement. It is not a religion.
> > I find no problem confronting anti-zionism after the Israeli attack on
> >the Liberty where those zionist scum murdered 34 and wounded 171
> >Americans.
>
> ah. i see. and our attacks on my lai and no gun ri were sterling
> examples of american chivalry...
>
> interesting.
It is difficult to seriously answer a person who justifies slaughter by
saying it is not better than all the other slaughterers in this world.
The light unto the world must be flame thrower.
> > Is that clear enough or do you need to take a refresher course in
> >modern history?
> >
> >> > As Zionist paedophile. So what is the issue? Are not they all? The
> >> >failure to condemn the kiddie pron dealer damns all zionists as
> >> >promoters of fucking children.
> >
> >> oh. gee. i didnt know that. thanks for clearing it up. did you write
> >> that by the light of your burning cross?
> > A Menorah is always burning. Even though it is racist from start to
> >finish.
> rarely has anyone ever confused a cross with a menorah.
> no wonder you cant think.
Oddly, but not surprisingly, I got the idea from the Saturday Night
Live and its hateful anti-Chistian joke of a few beads short of a
rosary. Will you condemn SNL? Of course not. Hateful, Anti-Christian
jokes are OK to folks like you.
Or neither are hateful nor anti-either.
Dead ancestors do not imbue you with other than dead ancestors.
--
Denying Mohammed is a Prophet of God
is antimuslimism.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 677
Matt Giwer
I have a full copy of a spammed usenet post with headers and it is on
google of the kiddie offer.
I do not ask you nor care if you believe me. So I will not bother
posting full details. And I do not care what you say in response. You
can read my public statement at
http://www.giwersworld.org/computers/newsagent.phtml and that is for
anyone who wishes to take their chances suing me.
Suffice to say the post was made to incriminate another person in a
crime. The zionist turd calling himself NAZIHUNTER posted a kiddieporn
offer in the name and address of another. That is the same poster who
implicated scrappy/ab...@hub.org and scrappy is the one implicated Ken
McVay of Nizkor.
Suffice to say that appears to be a prank but next time you are before
a judge just say you used an alias so it is all OK. ISPs pay for
newsfeeds, real money. They are canceled by fraud.
The oldest rule in the book, going back to Hamurabi, is if you try to
frame someone for a crime you are punished as though you had committed
that crime. That is the oldest justice in the book and the most heinous
in legal tradition.
It may sound like a cute internet prank to some but all recorded law
including bearing false witness has no sympathy with this kind of crime.
--
Lincoln signed a proclamation ordering anyone who
spoke against voluteering or the draft thrown
into military prisons.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 792
wf...@ptd.net
wrote:
>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>>
>>
>> you did forgeries? is that why the RCMP and FBI are investigating you?
>>
>> what did you forge? how can i help the FBI?
>
>hou...@fbi.gov and I will email this communication of yours to them as
>you have said you have knowledge of the crime.
>
> Thank you for stepping forward with your information.
by all means. tell 'em you sent me. im sure they'll be impressed.
>
wf...@ptd.net
wrote:
>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>>
>> On 29 May 2001 08:29:21 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>> >--------------6FF546DF9C6FF8775435C187
>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>> >
>> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> my point is you're unable to confront the fact you're an antisemite.
>> >> im talking about you, and no one else.
>> >
>> > Not being ignorant and stupid like you I know Arabs are semites.
>>
>> irrelevant.
>
> I do not see your ignorance as irrelevant.
OTOH i see your ignorance as entirely relevant.
>
>> > As to confrontation, If antizionism were antijudaism it would be a
>> >moral imperative.
>
>> more antisemitism.
>
> Zionism is a political movement. It is not a religion.
to you its all one big happy family.
>
>> > I find no problem confronting anti-zionism after the Israeli attack on
>> >the Liberty where those zionist scum murdered 34 and wounded 171
>> >Americans.
>>
>> ah. i see. and our attacks on my lai and no gun ri were sterling
>> examples of american chivalry...
>>
>> interesting.
>
> It is difficult to seriously answer a person who justifies slaughter by
>saying it is not better than all the other slaughterers in this world.
>The light unto the world must be flame thrower.
slaughter is a reality of life. every country's done it. to select the
jews as somehow being unique in this regard is antisemitism.
>
>
>> rarely has anyone ever confused a cross with a menorah.
>
>> no wonder you cant think.
>
> Oddly, but not surprisingly, I got the idea from the Saturday Night
>Live and its hateful anti-Chistian joke of a few beads short of a
>rosary. Will you condemn SNL? Of course not. Hateful, Anti-Christian
>jokes are OK to folks like you.
we're not talking about saturday night live. i havent seen it for 15
yrs. its irrelevant. somehow you think bringing up a TV show is a
justification for bigotry.
Peter Nyikos
the same person.
wf...@ptd.net writes:
>On 29 May 2001 12:49:32 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
>wrote:
>>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>>> my point is that you're nuts. i dont have any opinion on the person
>>> you're calling a zionist pedophile.
>>
>> My correct points are the person doing the cancelation is both a
>>zionist and a paedophile and has been connected to nizkor.org by
>>hub.org. Read
>>http://www.giwersworld.org/computers/newsagent.phtml
>>
>> for details. If you cannot read that is a public school problem.
Well, it's a start, but hard evidence in the
form of documentation is still missing from it.
By the way, some people who deal in
kiddie porn may be in it just for the money and may not
be pedophiles themselves. I wonder whether Giwer
has evidence that the people involved are actual pedophiles.
>ZZZOOOMMMM!!
>the point goes over the point on your bedsheet.
Guilt by association with the KKK noted.
My points about Giwer having NOT indulged in *non sequitur*
did not go over your head, I'm pretty
sure of that; you merely indulged in a dishonest
unmarked deletion so you could make it look
like I didn't justify what I wrote. See second half of
this "twofer" below.
>i dont give a damn about the person doing the cancelation. couldnt
>possibly care less. not a bit.
>my point is that we KNOW you're a liar.
You do?
Where's your evidence?
Perhaps more to the point, why is a liar like you
interested in whether other people are liars?
==================================== begin second half of twofer
Newsgroups: soc.history.ancient,soc.history.medieval,sci.econ,talk.origins
Subject: Re: REPOST: Re: Slavery and technology in Roman Empire (Re: damn Romans!)
References: <kWPI6.258$7_1....@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.010515...@653241hfc12.tampabay.rr.com> <aQ6M6.122510$_f3.16...@news20.bellglobal.com> <3B010D0D...@tampabay.rr.com> <h0xM6.582$yc6.1...@news.xtra.co.nz> <VkxM6.7$B_4...@typhoon.nyu.edu> <01HW.B72FAA6E0...@enews.newsguy.com> <2001052214...@kappa.math.sc.edu> <9egk9o$1g...@theusc.csd.sc.edu> <81fbb42f.01052...@posting.google.com> <2001052411...@kappa.math.sc.edu> <9
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wf...@ptd.net writes:
>On 29 May 2001 16:25:32 -0400, Peter Nyikos <nyi...@math.sc.edu>
>wrote:
>>wf...@ptd.net writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> since there is no connection between being gay, and pedophilia, this
>>>>> is a non sequitur.
>>
>>No, it is not.
>yes, it is...
Verrry funny. You delete my demonstration that
it was NOT one, and give no demonstration of your own.
>>>although i appreciated the compliment, im not gay. however, your
>>>bigoted slur says much about your view of gays...
>>
>>If he had said, "Stop being such a fag" would you have said the
>>same thing?
================= begin restoration of another unmarked wf3h snip
>>Careful: the wrong answer might be embarrassing to Pat James.
>>You see, he called me by that three-letter word "fag" at least
>>twice--he says he counted three times.
============= end of restoration
>you bet...i love being disrespected by bigots...
And, of course, your unmarked deletion indicates that
you are guilty of double standards--calling Giwer
a bigot for what he wrote but not Pat James for
what HE wrote.
Peter Nyikos -- standard disclaimer --
Peter Nyikos
>Yet ANOTHER scruffy little academic who wants to play Dictator.
Yes--and did you notice how he set followups
to his own e-mail address, instead of the newsgroup?
At the same time, he himself crossposted to all four:
~From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <farm...@interfold.com>
Newsgroups: soc.history.ancient,soc.history.medieval,sci.econ,talk.origins
Message-ID: <3B1493AF...@interfold.com>
>He must think SHM and the other newsgroups are his personal classrooms.
And that he can play little games in them. On another thread
he was recommending that people manipulate their followup
lines, but I thought he just meant to move followups away
to other newsgroups.
Either way, it is dishonorable and cowardly. The
honorable way to avoid crossposting,
if that is what you have a bee in your bonnet
about, is to stop doing it yourself.
>"Todd A. Farmerie" <farm...@interfold.com> wrote in message =
>news:3B1493AF...@interfold.com...
>| Matt Giwer wrote:
>| >=20
>| > I have never initiated a cross post to t.o. as you should =
>know. I am
>| > not responsible for those who do.=20
>|=20
>| "It's not my fault - he's the one who is tango-ing."
>|=20
>| YOU ARE responsible for posting to t.o, even if only in response
>| to another post. You are not talking about evolution, you are
>| not talking about medieval history, you are not talking about
>| ancient history, and you are not talking about economics - so
>| knock it off.
"Do as I say, not as I do". Todd could easily have
posted his message to the four newsgroups separately.
He didn't.
Peter Nyikos -- standard disclaimer --
University of South Carolina
D. Spencer Hines
Yes Todd Farmerie is a tried and convicted hypocrite of long standing. Just another Gypsy Academic, Perhaps ---- Frustrated, Disillusioned and Vindictive. But, there are many stories in the Big City ---- of Cleveland, Ohio.
He also has this VERY SILLY idea that he has an EXCELLENT MEMORY ---- which is far and away the funniest thing about him.
Sad, Very Sad.
--
D. Spencer Hines
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"Peter Nyikos" <nyi...@math.sc.edu> wrote in message news:2001053020...@kappa.math.sc.edu...
wf...@ptd.net
wrote:
>This is a "twofer"; I respond to two posts by
>the same person.
>
>wf...@ptd.net writes:
>
>
>
>>ZZZOOOMMMM!!
>
>>the point goes over the point on your bedsheet.
>
>Guilt by association with the KKK noted.
>
if you're unaware giwer's a racist, thats your problem
>
>
>>i dont give a damn about the person doing the cancelation. couldnt
>>possibly care less. not a bit.
>
>>my point is that we KNOW you're a liar.
>
>You do?
>
>Where's your evidence?
he told me there were no ovens at dachau. he referenced the tourist
book given to tourists at dachau. since ive been there, and have that
book, i quoted verbatim from it, proving there were ovens there. he
then backpedaled referencing 'shindler's list' to say there were no
ovens there. he's a liar.
>
>Perhaps more to the point, why is a liar like you
>interested in whether other people are liars?
>
coming from someone like nyikos who calls just about everyone a liar
except (shudder) his...lawyer...thems tall words.
my favorite comment was from someone who said only nyikos would
maintain a list of non-liars...
David Iain Greig
>On 30 May 2001 16:09:49 -0400, nyi...@math.sc.edu (Peter Nyikos)
>wrote:
>
>>This is a "twofer"; I respond to two posts by
>>the same person.
>>
>>wf...@ptd.net writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>>ZZZOOOMMMM!!
>>
>>>the point goes over the point on your bedsheet.
>>
>>Guilt by association with the KKK noted.
>>
>if you're unaware giwer's a racist, thats your problem
>
>>
>>
>>>i dont give a damn about the person doing the cancelation. couldnt
>>>possibly care less. not a bit.
>>
>>>my point is that we KNOW you're a liar.
>>
>>You do?
>>
>>Where's your evidence?
>
>he told me there were no ovens at dachau. he referenced the tourist
>book given to tourists at dachau. since ive been there, and have that
>book, i quoted verbatim from it, proving there were ovens there. he
>then backpedaled referencing 'shindler's list' to say there were no
>ovens there. he's a liar.
There is a common denier story that started after the war that the U.S.
built the crematoria after the war. I have Marcuse's book on
the history of Dachau and it was the usual 'we didn't do that' denial.
In fact there were gas chambers at Dachau, and there were gassings
there. But it wasn't a deathcamp. There were quite a few executions
of Soviet POW's at a nearby SS shooting range, however.
Apologies as my library of reference material on the camps is at home.
--D.
Matt Giwer
>
> On 30 May 2001 05:30:16 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >>
> >> On 29 May 2001 08:29:21 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >> >--------------6FF546DF9C6FF8775435C187
> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >> >
> >> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> my point is you're unable to confront the fact you're an antisemite.
> >> >> im talking about you, and no one else.
> >> >
> >> > Not being ignorant and stupid like you I know Arabs are semites.
> >>
> >> irrelevant.
> >
> > I do not see your ignorance as irrelevant.
>
> OTOH i see your ignorance as entirely relevant.
You are saying Arabs are not semites?
> >> > As to confrontation, If antizionism were antijudaism it would be a
> >> >moral imperative.
> >
> >> more antisemitism.
> >
> > Zionism is a political movement. It is not a religion.
>
> to you its all one big happy family.
You assertion from ignorance does not change the fact.
> >> > I find no problem confronting anti-zionism after the Israeli attack on
> >> >the Liberty where those zionist scum murdered 34 and wounded 171
> >> >Americans.
> >>
> >> ah. i see. and our attacks on my lai and no gun ri were sterling
> >> examples of american chivalry...
> >>
> >> interesting.
> >
> > It is difficult to seriously answer a person who justifies slaughter by
> >saying it is not better than all the other slaughterers in this world.
> >The light unto the world must be flame thrower.
>
> slaughter is a reality of life. every country's done it. to select the
> jews as somehow being unique in this regard is antisemitism.
Only in to ignorant people from Europe. Educated people know who the
semitic peoples are.
Even in your ignorance you fail to note the foundation of Judiasm is
that Jews are unique yet you would equate Judaism itself with
antisemitism. That is not very bright.
> >> rarely has anyone ever confused a cross with a menorah.
> >
> >> no wonder you cant think.
> >
> > Oddly, but not surprisingly, I got the idea from the Saturday Night
> >Live and its hateful anti-Chistian joke of a few beads short of a
> >rosary. Will you condemn SNL? Of course not. Hateful, Anti-Christian
> >jokes are OK to folks like you.
> we're not talking about saturday night live. i havent seen it for 15
> yrs. its irrelevant. somehow you think bringing up a TV show is a
> justification for bigotry.
A joke is a joke whether or not you have a sense of humor, boy.
--
http://www.google.com can't find anything similar to
http://www.giwersworld.org
good luck to them.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 109
Woodcrafter
where you admit people were being gassed to death?
Woodcrafter
"David Iain Greig" <gr...@ediacara.org> wrote in message
news:slrn9haq9u...@darwin.ediacara.org...
> wf...@ptd.net <wf...@ptd.net> wrote:
> >On 30 May 2001 16:09:49 -0400, nyi...@math.sc.edu (Peter Nyikos)
> >wrote:
wf...@ptd.net
david is right. dachau was a 'work' camp...although later in the war
the difference between death camps and work camps became rather
arbitrary.
>>
>
wf...@ptd.net
wrote:
>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>>
>> On 30 May 2001 05:30:16 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 29 May 2001 08:29:21 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>> >> >--------------6FF546DF9C6FF8775435C187
>> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>> >> >
>> >> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> my point is you're unable to confront the fact you're an antisemite.
>> >> >> im talking about you, and no one else.
>> >> >
>> >> > Not being ignorant and stupid like you I know Arabs are semites.
>> >>
>> >> irrelevant.
>> >
>> > I do not see your ignorance as irrelevant.
>>
>> OTOH i see your ignorance as entirely relevant.
>
> You are saying Arabs are not semites?
irrelevant.
>
>> >> > As to confrontation, If antizionism were antijudaism it would be a
>> >> >moral imperative.
>> >
>> >> more antisemitism.
>> >
>> > Zionism is a political movement. It is not a religion.
>>
>> to you its all one big happy family.
>
> You assertion from ignorance does not change the fact.
says the guy who's complained tel aviv has never been nuked...
>> >
>> > It is difficult to seriously answer a person who justifies slaughter by
>> >saying it is not better than all the other slaughterers in this world.
>> >The light unto the world must be flame thrower.
>>
>> slaughter is a reality of life. every country's done it. to select the
>> jews as somehow being unique in this regard is antisemitism.
>
> Only in to ignorant people from Europe. Educated people know who the
>semitic peoples are.
which ignores the fact every people has committed slaughter. you make
it seem like its a jewish phenomena.
>
> Even in your ignorance you fail to note the foundation of Judiasm is
>that Jews are unique yet you would equate Judaism itself with
>antisemitism. That is not very bright.
and what religion DOESNT preach its the chosen? roman catholics
virtually exterminated orthodox christians when they conquered in the
crusades because RCC's thought they were the chosen...
you have a very antisemitic view of history which ignores EVERY
atrocity except those committed by jews.
>
>> >> rarely has anyone ever confused a cross with a menorah.
>> >
>> >> no wonder you cant think.
>> >
>> > Oddly, but not surprisingly, I got the idea from the Saturday Night
>> >Live and its hateful anti-Chistian joke of a few beads short of a
>> >rosary. Will you condemn SNL? Of course not. Hateful, Anti-Christian
>> >jokes are OK to folks like you.
>
>> we're not talking about saturday night live. i havent seen it for 15
>> yrs. its irrelevant. somehow you think bringing up a TV show is a
>> justification for bigotry.
>
> A joke is a joke whether or not you have a sense of humor, boy.
>
yes...reading your posts is proof enough for me.
David Iain Greig
>How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
>where you admit people were being gassed to death?
Normally the concentration camps were not extermination camps. There were
many times more 'labor camps' than the few deathcamps.
Treblinka, Sobibor, and others were deathcamps. Auschwitz was both a
labor camp (Buna, for example) and a deathcamp. It was an exception.
The vast majority of camps were labor camps. People still died there,
or course. But the trainloads of Jews and others who were gassed
went to only a few camps.
--D.
Matt Giwer
>
> Woodcrafter <dsh...@home.com> wrote:
> >How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
> >where you admit people were being gassed to death?
>
> Normally the concentration camps were not extermination camps. There were
> many times more 'labor camps' than the few deathcamps.
>
> Treblinka, Sobibor, and others were deathcamps.
Treblinka was dismissed decades ago as a death camp.
Learn to keep up with the times.
--
The reason there are Elvis sightings is that
there is a market for Elvis impersonators.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 230
Woodcrafter
"Matt (one bead short of a rosary) Giwer" <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
message news:3B1746DD...@tampabay.rr.com...
> Treblinka was dismissed decades ago as a death camp.
>
Just because only you dismiss Treblinka as a death camp does not change that
facts.
You are a proven liar. Why do you believe anyone believes you?
Learn to read between the lines.
> Learn to keep up with the times.
>
> --
> The reason nazis are gay is that
> there is a market for female impersonators.
Matt Giwer
>
> "Matt (one bead short of a rosary) Giwer" <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
> message news:3B1746DD...@tampabay.rr.com...
>
> > Treblinka was dismissed decades ago as a death camp.
> Just because only you dismiss Treblinka as a death camp does not change that
> facts.
Over a decade ago archaelogists tried to find the foundations of the
gas chambers. They could not even find disturbed earth. A couple years
ago ground penetrating rader confirmed no sign of it.
Frankly I do not see why they wasted the money as the Soviet liberators
claimed to have found absolutely NOTHING to support the claim as they
stated. Not one bit of physical evidence of the existance of the
Treblinka extermination camps has ever been produced.
The Soviets claimed there was no evidence of it ever having existed. I
do not see why it ever went further than that. It was a laughingstock
claim from the beginning.
Other than to demonstrate either your gullibility or ignorance I see no
reason why you are posting a response.
> You are a proven liar. Why do you believe anyone believes you?
> Learn to read between the lines.
The label of Witch does not make for fact.
--
Man how I love the smell of vaporware in the morning.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 26
Matt Giwer
>
> How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
> where you admit people were being gassed to death?
Even the tourist trap Dachau Museum says no one was gassed there
despite the perjury of the US Army claiming 400,000 were gassed there.
Why not physical evidence of gas chambers?
> "David Iain Greig" <gr...@ediacara.org> wrote in message
> news:slrn9haq9u...@darwin.ediacara.org...
> > wf...@ptd.net <wf...@ptd.net> wrote:
> > >On 30 May 2001 16:09:49 -0400, nyi...@math.sc.edu (Peter Nyikos)
> > >wrote:
> > In fact there were gas chambers at Dachau, and there were gassings
> > there. But it wasn't a deathcamp. There were quite a few executions
> > of Soviet POW's at a nearby SS shooting range, however.
> >
> > Apologies as my library of reference material on the camps is at home.
> >
> > --D.
> >
--
Opinions are like elbows. Everyone has at least two of them.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 390
Matt Giwer
Lots of gibberish but still no physical evidence of gas chambers.
You folks are not very bright.
--
Dimocrats are so stupid they can not follow an arrow from
a name to a hole and the swore to their stupidity
in court.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 404
Matt Giwer
>
> On 31 May 2001 14:26:42 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >>
> >> On 30 May 2001 05:30:16 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On 29 May 2001 08:29:21 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >> >> >--------------6FF546DF9C6FF8775435C187
> >> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >> >> >
> >> >> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> my point is you're unable to confront the fact you're an antisemite.
> >> >> >> im talking about you, and no one else.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Not being ignorant and stupid like you I know Arabs are semites.
> >> >>
> >> >> irrelevant.
> >> >
> >> > I do not see your ignorance as irrelevant.
> >>
> >> OTOH i see your ignorance as entirely relevant.
> >
> > You are saying Arabs are not semites?
>
> irrelevant.
I do not consider reality irrlevant. Holohuggers do.
> >> >> > As to confrontation, If antizionism were antijudaism it would be a
> >> >> >moral imperative.
> >> >
> >> >> more antisemitism.
> >> >
> >> > Zionism is a political movement. It is not a religion.
> >>
> >> to you its all one big happy family.
> >
> > You assertion from ignorance does not change the fact.
>
> says the guy who's complained tel aviv has never been nuked...
In exchange for the deliberate murder of 34 Americans and the wounding
of 171 Americans and for which the Commander received the CMO for
bravery in the face of the enemy, yes. Fair is fair for murderers like
that.
> >> > It is difficult to seriously answer a person who justifies slaughter by
> >> >saying it is not better than all the other slaughterers in this world.
> >> >The light unto the world must be flame thrower.
> >>
> >> slaughter is a reality of life. every country's done it. to select the
> >> jews as somehow being unique in this regard is antisemitism.
> >
> > Only in to ignorant people from Europe. Educated people know who the
> >semitic peoples are.
>
> which ignores the fact every people has committed slaughter. you make
> it seem like its a jewish phenomena.
I have never said that. I have always identified it as a political
Zionist slaughter which is on record as to planning ethnic cleansing of
Palestine as early as 1932. Judaism is a religion. Zionism is a racist,
political movement in the same sense as that aspect of Nazism which
pretends to see a difference between Jews and Palestinians whose
ancestors converted from Judaism to Islam.
> > Even in your ignorance you fail to note the foundation of Judiasm is
> >that Jews are unique yet you would equate Judaism itself with
> >antisemitism. That is not very bright.
>
> and what religion DOESNT preach its the chosen? roman catholics
> virtually exterminated orthodox christians when they conquered in the
> crusades because RCC's thought they were the chosen...
No claim of chosen of God there and never did nor was that ever the
basis. Nor was there anything "exterimination" of the eastern orthodox
as it existed then as now just across the Agean from Italy.
Sounds like you only learned to mimic BS from gradeschool.
> you have a very antisemitic view of history which ignores EVERY
> atrocity except those committed by jews.
Zionists are not Jews not even a subset of Jews as any aware person
today knows as Jerry Falwell is a Zionist.
> >> >> rarely has anyone ever confused a cross with a menorah.
> >> >
> >> >> no wonder you cant think.
> >> >
> >> > Oddly, but not surprisingly, I got the idea from the Saturday Night
> >> >Live and its hateful anti-Chistian joke of a few beads short of a
> >> >rosary. Will you condemn SNL? Of course not. Hateful, Anti-Christian
> >> >jokes are OK to folks like you.
> >
> >> we're not talking about saturday night live. i havent seen it for 15
> >> yrs. its irrelevant. somehow you think bringing up a TV show is a
> >> justification for bigotry.
> >
> > A joke is a joke whether or not you have a sense of humor, boy.
> yes...reading your posts is proof enough for me.
Post as you wish. I your the material. Even if what you zionist whackos
believe is absolutely true it says Jews will rule the world after the
Messiah returns.
You folks are very lucky no one believes your crap else you would be
wiped out by anyone who did not want to be ruled by Jews for a thoudand
years as Jews believe will happen.
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the criminal military occupation of lands
outside of Israel.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 413
ĞTÜ�Ñkë�ğ
wrote:
> Even if what you zionist whackos
>believe is absolutely true it says Jews will rule the world after the
>Messiah returns.
If that was true, I think you'd be in a lot of trouble Matt. LOL
David Iain Greig
>David Iain Greig wrote:
>>
>> Woodcrafter <dsh...@home.com> wrote:
>> >How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
>> >where you admit people were being gassed to death?
>>
>> Normally the concentration camps were not extermination camps. There were
>> many times more 'labor camps' than the few deathcamps.
>>
>> Treblinka, Sobibor, and others were deathcamps.
>
> Treblinka was dismissed decades ago as a death camp.
Matt, you dismiss all of the death camps. Reputed historians
don't seem to be aware of your claim about Treblinka, and still
somehow still agree that 'up to 750,000' people were killed in
Treblinka. Franz Stangl wouldn't even agree with you.
For those interested in history, and not denying it, the death camps
were Kulmhof (150,000 dead), Belzec(550,000), Sobibor(200,000),
Treblinka (750,000), Lublin (50,000) and, of course, Auschwitz (1,000,000).
These numbers are from Hilberg (1985) [Table 9.8, pp. 893-4], and are
only Jewish deaths, rounded to the nearest 50,000 (nearest 100,000 for
Auschwitz).
>
> Learn to keep up with the times.
Given the choice between (you, Irving and Leuchter) versus actual
reputable historians, 'the times' seem to be either lying or wilfully
ignoring and distorting actual evidence. I can't answer if you're
stupid, insane, or a liar, Matt, but it's one or more of them over
and over. Why do you hate the Jews so much to deny their murder
at the hands of the Germans?
--D.
David Iain Greig
>Woodcrafter wrote:
>>
>> How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
>> where you admit people were being gassed to death?
>
> Even the tourist trap Dachau Museum says no one was gassed there
>despite the perjury of the US Army claiming 400,000 were gassed there.
Marcuse points out both the above claims are false. The gas chamber WAS
used, but only for trial gassings.
Marcuse, pg 46: "Although only trial gassings were conducted in the
gas chamber (death by other causes supplied enough human raw material
for the ovens), the furnaces reduced tens of thousands to ash between
the summer of 1942 and the spring of 1945, when the death rate was so
high that burials in nearby mass graves supplemented burning as a means
of corpse disposal".
Marcuse notes that the official Dachau death toll is "ca. 32,000"
plus "ca. 6000 Soviet POW". The majority were cremated, but "5-6000"
were buried in mass graves at Dachau.
> Why not physical evidence of gas chambers?
Like the photos on your OWN web page? Because you, for some
reason, can't accept the evidence you've been give.
Matt Giwer
Why would the beliefs of fundie whackoe fanatics leave leave me in
trouble?
I would simply continue to ridicule them as I have for years as their
criminal pederast forgeries have demonstrated.
Jehovah and Jove are the same god. Give it up dummy. Get a life.
--
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-- The Iron Webmaster, 256
Matt Giwer
>
> Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >Woodcrafter wrote:
> >>
> >> How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
> >> where you admit people were being gassed to death?
> >
> > Even the tourist trap Dachau Museum says no one was gassed there
> >despite the perjury of the US Army claiming 400,000 were gassed there.
>
> Marcuse points out both the above claims are false. The gas chamber WAS
> used, but only for trial gassings.
Marcuse who?
Stop being such an idiot.
--
Don't let the gorons get you down.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 337
Matt Giwer
>
> Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >David Iain Greig wrote:
> >>
> >> Woodcrafter <dsh...@home.com> wrote:
> >> >How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
> >> >where you admit people were being gassed to death?
> >>
> >> Normally the concentration camps were not extermination camps. There were
> >> many times more 'labor camps' than the few deathcamps.
> >>
> >> Treblinka, Sobibor, and others were deathcamps.
> >
> > Treblinka was dismissed decades ago as a death camp.
>
> Matt, you dismiss all of the death camps. Reputed historians
> don't seem to be aware of your claim about Treblinka, and still
> somehow still agree that 'up to 750,000' people were killed in
> Treblinka. Franz Stangl wouldn't even agree with you.
No physical evidence. Stick it where Jove / Jehovah don't shine.
You have no physical evidence. You are a witless true believer.
But remember you have to be an idiot believer in Moses to think this
all matters even if it did occur. So you are clearly uneducated and not
very bright.
--
Resistance to Israel is obedience to God.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 301
wf...@ptd.net
wrote:
>Woodcrafter wrote:
>>
>> How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
>> where you admit people were being gassed to death?
>
> Even the tourist trap Dachau Museum says no one was gassed there
>despite the perjury of the US Army claiming 400,000 were gassed there.
>
> Why not physical evidence of gas chambers?
>
no one was gassed at dachau because the nazis sent dachau inmates to
hartheim castle to be gassed. they did erect gas chambers in 1942 at
dachau as part of 'baracke X' to increase capacity for killing,
however. (source: tourist book, dachau concentration camp).
so you're lying.
wf...@ptd.net
wrote:
>Woodcrafter wrote:
>>
>> "Matt (one bead short of a rosary) Giwer" <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
>> message news:3B1746DD...@tampabay.rr.com...
>>
>> > Treblinka was dismissed decades ago as a death camp.
>
>> Just because only you dismiss Treblinka as a death camp does not change that
>> facts.
>
> Over a decade ago archaelogists tried to find the foundations of the
>gas chambers. They could not even find disturbed earth. A couple years
>ago ground penetrating rader confirmed no sign of it.
>
matt lied about gas chambers at dachau. so we know he's a liar.
wf...@ptd.net
wrote:
>David Iain Greig wrote:
>>
>> Woodcrafter <dsh...@home.com> wrote:
>> >How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
>> >where you admit people were being gassed to death?
>>
>> Normally the concentration camps were not extermination camps. There were
>> many times more 'labor camps' than the few deathcamps.
>>
>> Treblinka, Sobibor, and others were deathcamps.
>
> Treblinka was dismissed decades ago as a death camp.
>
> Learn to keep up with the times.
>
proof?
wf...@ptd.net
wrote:
>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>>
>> On 31 May 2001 21:15:34 -0400, "Woodcrafter" <dsh...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>> >How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
>> >where you admit people were being gassed to death?
>> >
>> >Woodcrafter
>> >
>> >"David Iain Greig" <gr...@ediacara.org> wrote in message
>> >news:slrn9haq9u...@darwin.ediacara.org...
>> >> wf...@ptd.net <wf...@ptd.net> wrote:
>> >> >On 30 May 2001 16:09:49 -0400, nyi...@math.sc.edu (Peter Nyikos)
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> In fact there were gas chambers at Dachau, and there were gassings
>> >> there. But it wasn't a deathcamp. There were quite a few executions
>> >> of Soviet POW's at a nearby SS shooting range, however.
>> >>
>> >> Apologies as my library of reference material on the camps is at home.
>> >>
>> >> --D.
>>
>> david is right. dachau was a 'work' camp...although later in the war
>> the difference between death camps and work camps became rather
>> arbitrary.
>
> Lots of gibberish but still no physical evidence of gas chambers.
>
> You folks are not very bright.
>
from the dachau concentration camp tourist book, page 173:
'in 1940 as the death rate continued to increase, a camp crematorium
with 1 incinerator was built. in the course of the mass extermination
plan, a bigger plant with a GAS CHAMBER and 4 incinerators-the so
called 'baracke X' was quickly erected in 1942. the gas chamber was
never put in use...thousands of prisoners who were selected for
extermination were sent to other camps or to hartheim castle near linz
to be GASSED'.
liar. you call ME 'not very bright'? you're not even a bright liar. a
very stupid one. very stupid indeed.
wf...@ptd.net
wrote:
>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>>
>>
>> says the guy who's complained tel aviv has never been nuked...
>
> In exchange for the deliberate murder of 34 Americans and the wounding
>of 171 Americans and for which the Commander received the CMO for
>bravery in the face of the enemy, yes. Fair is fair for murderers like
>that.
i suppose washington should be nuked for my lai or no gun ri?
>>
>> which ignores the fact every people has committed slaughter. you make
>> it seem like its a jewish phenomena.
>
> I have never said that. I have always identified it as a political
>Zionist slaughter which is on record as to planning ethnic cleansing of
>Palestine as early as 1932. Judaism is a religion. Zionism is a racist,
>political movement in the same sense as that aspect of Nazism which
>pretends to see a difference between Jews and Palestinians whose
>ancestors converted from Judaism to Islam.
what giwer ignores is arabs in israel have more political freedom than
arabs in any arab country. in the early 80's, 20,000 arabs were
murdered by the syrian govt in the city of hama for protesting. he
ignores the fact saddam hussein even invaded an arab country and the
US, inter alia, had to kick him out.
double standard...hypocrite...liar.
>>
>> and what religion DOESNT preach its the chosen? roman catholics
>> virtually exterminated orthodox christians when they conquered in the
>> crusades because RCC's thought they were the chosen...
>
> No claim of chosen of God there and never did nor was that ever the
>basis. Nor was there anything "exterimination" of the eastern orthodox
>as it existed then as now just across the Agean from Italy.
]
then tell us why the pope apologized for catholic actions during his
recent trip to greece for actions committed by catholics against
orthodox.
liar.
>
> Sounds like you only learned to mimic BS from gradeschool.
and it sounds like you never even attended school of any kind.
>
>> you have a very antisemitic view of history which ignores EVERY
>> atrocity except those committed by jews.
>
> Zionists are not Jews not even a subset of Jews as any aware person
>today knows as Jerry Falwell is a Zionist.
i guess ignorance in your case counts as an argument. falwell supports
israel because he's a racist as well. in his view, jews are little
robots working to rebuild the temple to bring christ's second coming.
you dont even know anything about american fundamentalism, let alone
jews.
>
>
>> yes...reading your posts is proof enough for me.
>
> Post as you wish. I your the material. Even if what you zionist whackos
>believe is absolutely true it says Jews will rule the world after the
>Messiah returns.
what religion DOESNT say it will triumph after its messiah returns?
the new testament says jews will accept christ when he returns. again,
double standard.
>
> You folks are very lucky no one believes your crap else you would be
>wiped out by anyone who did not want to be ruled by Jews for a thoudand
>years as Jews believe will happen.
>
im not jewish, however, just as you called me a queer, any time you
bigots call me a member of one of your hated groups, i always say
'thank you'.
Matt Giwer
You have failed to show a gas chamber.
Come on, love child. Millions exteriminated in gas chambers and you
cannot produced physical evidence of one gas chamber.
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-- The Iron Webmaster, 581
Matt Giwer
That you do not keep up with the times you have demonstated.
Still no gas chambers.
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-- The Iron Webmaster, 574
Matt Giwer
You do not appear to be able to read your own quotes. Still no gas
chambers there.
Noting also it does not match the tourist trap I have on line.
What is your problem?
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consitutional and unconstitutional laws.
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Matt Giwer
How does that explain the US perjury of 400,000 being gassed at Dachau?
Lets try to put it all together here boy.
--
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to the US Constitution.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 598
Matt Giwer
>
> On 1 Jun 2001 05:43:50 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> says the guy who's complained tel aviv has never been nuked...
> >
> > In exchange for the deliberate murder of 34 Americans and the wounding
> >of 171 Americans and for which the Commander received the CMO for
> >bravery in the face of the enemy, yes. Fair is fair for murderers like
> >that.
>
> i suppose washington should be nuked for my lai or no gun ri?
I do not see a connection. But certainly North Vietnam should have
nuked something if it could have.
Israel lovers suck by their connections. You are not loyal to the US so
screw you.
Israeli turd!
--
That which does not destroy us makes us greater.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 619
pz
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >
> > On 1 Jun 2001 05:22:55 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Woodcrafter wrote:
> > >>
> > >> How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death
> > >> camp
> > >> where you admit people were being gassed to death?
> > >
> > > Even the tourist trap Dachau Museum says no one was gassed there
> > >despite the perjury of the US Army claiming 400,000 were gassed there.
> > >
> > > Why not physical evidence of gas chambers?
> > >
> >
> > no one was gassed at dachau because the nazis sent dachau inmates to
> > hartheim castle to be gassed. they did erect gas chambers in 1942 at
> > dachau as part of 'baracke X' to increase capacity for killing,
> > however. (source: tourist book, dachau concentration camp).
> >
> > so you're lying.
>
> How does that explain the US perjury of 400,000 being gassed at Dachau?
> Lets try to put it all together here boy.
So...how many were gassed at Dachau? How many were beaten to death? How
many died of preventable disease and starvation?
What's really pathetic is that you don't seem to realize that any number
greater than zero in answer to those questions is an indictment of the
nazi regime, and unambiguous evidence of persecution and attempted
genocide.
Do try to pull it together. Something truly monstrous happened in
Germany under Hitler. You lying weasels who try to bicker over the
precise numbers will not change that.
--
pz
wf...@ptd.net
wrote:
as the tourist book for dachau says (page 173) gas chambers were built
at dachau in 'baracke X'. inmates were, however, sent to hartheim
castle to be gassed.
you're a liar.
wf...@ptd.net
wrote:
>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> from the dachau concentration camp tourist book, page 173:
>>
>> 'in 1940 as the death rate continued to increase, a camp crematorium
>> with 1 incinerator was built. in the course of the mass extermination
>> plan, a bigger plant with a GAS CHAMBER and 4 incinerators-the so
>> called 'baracke X' was quickly erected in 1942. the gas chamber was
>> never put in use...thousands of prisoners who were selected for
>> extermination were sent to other camps or to hartheim castle near linz
>> to be GASSED'.
>>
>> liar. you call ME 'not very bright'? you're not even a bright liar. a
>> very stupid one. very stupid indeed.
>
> You do not appear to be able to read your own quotes. Still no gas
>chambers there.
really? then why does it say baracke X did have gas chambers? i left
the quote intact so even you can see you are lying.
>
> Noting also it does not match the tourist trap I have on line.
>
> What is your problem?
>
>--
i dont have a problem. you're a liar. thats your problem, not mine.
wf...@ptd.net
wrote:
>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>>
>> On 1 Jun 2001 05:43:50 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> says the guy who's complained tel aviv has never been nuked...
>> >
>> > In exchange for the deliberate murder of 34 Americans and the wounding
>> >of 171 Americans and for which the Commander received the CMO for
>> >bravery in the face of the enemy, yes. Fair is fair for murderers like
>> >that.
>>
>> i suppose washington should be nuked for my lai or no gun ri?
>
> I do not see a connection. But certainly North Vietnam should have
>nuked something if it could have.
>
> Israel lovers suck by their connections. You are not loyal to the US so
>screw you.
>
> Israeli turd!
>
gee, thats a very nice compliment coming from a hood wearing, cross
burning pro american. if you consider klan membership a badge of
patriotism, go join tim mcveigh.
wf...@ptd.net
wrote:
>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>>
>> On 1 Jun 2001 05:22:55 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Woodcrafter wrote:
>> >>
>> >> How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
>> >> where you admit people were being gassed to death?
>> >
>> > Even the tourist trap Dachau Museum says no one was gassed there
>> >despite the perjury of the US Army claiming 400,000 were gassed there.
>> >
>> > Why not physical evidence of gas chambers?
>> >
>>
>> no one was gassed at dachau because the nazis sent dachau inmates to
>> hartheim castle to be gassed. they did erect gas chambers in 1942 at
>> dachau as part of 'baracke X' to increase capacity for killing,
>> however. (source: tourist book, dachau concentration camp).
>>
>> so you're lying.
>
> How does that explain the US perjury of 400,000 being gassed at Dachau?
>Lets try to put it all together here boy.
irrelevant. there were gas chambers at dachau. dachau inmates were
gassed at hartheim castle.
how do you explain that?
rick
>
> Treblinka was dismissed decades ago as a death camp.
>
> Learn to keep up with the times.
>
Denial of of the truth does not make it go away.
The truth remains the same:
http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/pages/t003/t00315.html
http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/albums/palbum/p00/a0007p2.html
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01358.html
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg16/pg6/pg16677.html
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg16/pg6/pg16675.html
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t088/t08820.html
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg22/pg0/pg22000.html
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg2/pg04270.html
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01362.html
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg5/pg04533.html
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg00/pg8/pg00876.html
rick
>
> >
> > "Matt (one bead short of a rosary) Giwer" <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
> > message news:3B1746DD...@tampabay.rr.com...
> >
>
> > facts.
>
> Over a decade ago archaelogists tried to find the foundations of the
> gas chambers. They could not even find disturbed earth. A couple years
> ago ground penetrating rader confirmed no sign of it.
>
> claimed to have found absolutely NOTHING to support the claim as they
> stated. Not one bit of physical evidence of the existance of the
> Treblinka extermination camps has ever been produced.
rick
>
>
> > matt lied about gas chambers at dachau. so we know he's a liar.
>
> You have failed to show a gas chamber.
>
> Come on, love child. Millions exteriminated in gas chambers and you
> cannot produced physical evidence of one gas chamber.
>
Denial of of the truth does not make it go away.
rick
>
> David Iain Greig wrote:
> >
> > Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > >David Iain Greig wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Woodcrafter <dsh...@home.com> wrote:
> > >> >How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
> > >> >where you admit people were being gassed to death?
> > >>
> > >> Normally the concentration camps were not extermination camps. There were
> > >> many times more 'labor camps' than the few deathcamps.
> > >>
> > >> Treblinka, Sobibor, and others were deathcamps.
> > >
> > > Treblinka was dismissed decades ago as a death camp.
> >
> > Matt, you dismiss all of the death camps. Reputed historians
> > don't seem to be aware of your claim about Treblinka, and still
> > somehow still agree that 'up to 750,000' people were killed in
> > Treblinka. Franz Stangl wouldn't even agree with you.
>
> No physical evidence. Stick it where Jove / Jehovah don't shine.
>
> You have no physical evidence. You are a witless true believer.
>
Denial of of the truth does not make it go away.
rick
>
> >
> > On 1 Jun 2001 03:40:19 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >David Iain Greig wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Woodcrafter <dsh...@home.com> wrote:
> > >> >How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
> > >> >where you admit people were being gassed to death?
> > >>
> > >> Normally the concentration camps were not extermination camps. There were
> > >> many times more 'labor camps' than the few deathcamps.
> > >>
> > >> Treblinka, Sobibor, and others were deathcamps.
> > >
> > > Treblinka was dismissed decades ago as a death camp.
> > >
> > > Learn to keep up with the times.
> > >
> >
> > proof?
>
> That you do not keep up with the times you have demonstated.
>
> Still no gas chambers.
>
Denial of of the truth does not make it go away.
rick
> > the difference between death camps and work camps became rather
> > arbitrary.
>
> Lots of gibberish but still no physical evidence of gas chambers.
>
> You folks are not very bright.
>
Denial of of the truth does not make it go away.
rick
>
> >
> > How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
> > where you admit people were being gassed to death?
>
> despite the perjury of the US Army claiming 400,000 were gassed there.
>
> Why not physical evidence of gas chambers?
>
Denial of of the truth does not make it go away.
rick
>
> >
> > from the dachau concentration camp tourist book, page 173:
> >
> > 'in 1940 as the death rate continued to increase, a camp crematorium
> > with 1 incinerator was built. in the course of the mass extermination
> > plan, a bigger plant with a GAS CHAMBER and 4 incinerators-the so
> > called 'baracke X' was quickly erected in 1942. the gas chamber was
> > never put in use...thousands of prisoners who were selected for
> > extermination were sent to other camps or to hartheim castle near linz
> > to be GASSED'.
> >
> > liar. you call ME 'not very bright'? you're not even a bright liar. a
> > very stupid one. very stupid indeed.
>
> You do not appear to be able to read your own quotes. Still no gas
> chambers there.
>
Denial of of the truth does not make it go away.
David Iain Greig
>On 1 Jun 2001 08:31:26 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
>wrote:
>
>>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> from the dachau concentration camp tourist book, page 173:
>>>
>>> 'in 1940 as the death rate continued to increase, a camp crematorium
>>> with 1 incinerator was built. in the course of the mass extermination
>>> plan, a bigger plant with a GAS CHAMBER and 4 incinerators-the so
>>> called 'baracke X' was quickly erected in 1942. the gas chamber was
>>> never put in use...thousands of prisoners who were selected for
>>> extermination were sent to other camps or to hartheim castle near linz
>>> to be GASSED'.
>>>
>>> liar. you call ME 'not very bright'? you're not even a bright liar. a
>>> very stupid one. very stupid indeed.
>>
>> You do not appear to be able to read your own quotes. Still no gas
>>chambers there.
>
>really? then why does it say baracke X did have gas chambers? i left
>the quote intact so even you can see you are lying.
The gas-chamber/crematorium also had the chambers for disinfecting
clothes. I mean, you can see them in photos on Matt's page. But
Marcuse claims the gas chamber was only used for trials, and points
out the sign saying 'the chamber was never used -- disguised as showers'
is incorrect.
>i dont have a problem. you're a liar. thats your problem, not mine.
I actually enjoy showing his stupid lies up. It's easier and easier the
more I learn about the camp system.
--D.
David Iain Greig
>> >Woodcrafter wrote:
>> >>
>> >> How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
>> >> where you admit people were being gassed to death?
>> >
>> > Even the tourist trap Dachau Museum says no one was gassed there
>> >despite the perjury of the US Army claiming 400,000 were gassed there.
>>
>> used, but only for trial gassings.
>
> Marcuse who?
Harold Marcuse, a professor of history at UCSB who wrote a very interesting
book on Dachau. He's even been there. It's a very informative book.
> Stop being such an idiot.
Matt, pointing out you're wrong or lying isn't idiocy, it's pointing OUT
idiocy.
I know you can't handle facts, so I don't let your ravings and insults
bother me. I have to thank you for the opportunity over the past year
or so to actually become informed on the Nazi camp system - not from
any of the lies you spout, but from wanting to know what really happened.
All of which makes your idiotic ravings even more transparently false
and even easier to show them as such. I'm even taking German classes
now in order to read some day soon the original source documents.
So if you are getting tired of having your lying Jew-hating ass handed
to you, get out of talk.origins and you'll have less well informed
people beating you like the Rank Films gong. Klahr?
--D.
--
david iain greig gr...@ediacara.org
sp4 kox
http://www.ediacara.org/~greig arbor plena alouattarum
David Iain Greig
>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>>
>> On 1 Jun 2001 05:22:55 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Woodcrafter wrote:
>> >>
>> >> How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
>> >> where you admit people were being gassed to death?
>> >
>> > Even the tourist trap Dachau Museum says no one was gassed there
>> >despite the perjury of the US Army claiming 400,000 were gassed there.
>> >
>> > Why not physical evidence of gas chambers?
>> >
>>
>> no one was gassed at dachau because the nazis sent dachau inmates to
>> hartheim castle to be gassed. they did erect gas chambers in 1942 at
>> dachau as part of 'baracke X' to increase capacity for killing,
>> however. (source: tourist book, dachau concentration camp).
>>
>> so you're lying.
>
> How does that explain the US perjury of 400,000 being gassed at Dachau?
>Lets try to put it all together here boy.
We have better knowledge of the camps now. How hard is that to realize?
I doubt there ever WERE 400,000 people in Dachau; I understood the number
to be more around 250,000 or less.
--D.
William Black
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> Matt Giwer brought to you by the 2nd Amendment
> to the US Constitution.
> -- The Iron Webmaster, 598
>
That is the best arguement I have ever heard for the reform of the US
Constitution.
And that takes some doing with a gang of schoolkids armed to the teeth and
holding off half of the police in Idaho at the moment.
--
William Black
------------------
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Pick any two from three
Michael Kuettner
<wf...@ptd.net> wrote in message
news:3b17863c...@news.ptdprolog.net...
He meant to write :
"Treblinka was abandoned decades ago as a death camp."
This is true; since the Nazis were defeated decades ago.
Regards,
Michael Kuettner
Michael Kuettner
Dear Mr. Greig,
could you please let s.h.m. out of your discussions with MG ?
Thank you,
Michael Kuettner
Michael Kuettner
rick <rsat...@iglou.com> wrote in message
news:3B17A8...@iglou.com...
<snip>
> Denial of of the truth does not make it go away.
> The truth remains the same:
>
> http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/pages/t003/t00315.html
> http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/albums/palbum/p00/a0007p2.html
> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01358.html
> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg16/pg6/pg16677.html
> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg16/pg6/pg16675.html
> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t088/t08820.html
> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg22/pg0/pg22000.html
> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg2/pg04270.html
> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01362.html
> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg5/pg04533.html
> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg00/pg8/pg00876.html
>
But this is s.h.medievil, which means, we're only half as bad.
And we don't want McGeifer[1] over here.
So please, all of you, who are responding to his bullshit,
set your follow-ups to "alt.revisionism" or "alt.usenet.kooks"
Thank you,
Michael Kuettner
[1] German "geifern" means "to foam at the mouth".
Peter Nyikos
>Matt Giwer the Nazi wrote:
>>
>> Treblinka was dismissed decades ago as a death camp.
>>
>> Learn to keep up with the times.
Rick just inserts the same old one-size-fits-all text,
over and over:
>Denial of of the truth does not make it go away.
>The truth remains the same:
Which of these urls describes Treblinka?
You don't tailor them to the posts you are following
up to, do you?
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/pages/t003/t00315.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/albums/palbum/p00/a0007p2.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01358.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg16/pg6/pg16677.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg16/pg6/pg16675.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t088/t08820.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg22/pg0/pg22000.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg2/pg04270.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01362.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg5/pg04533.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg00/pg8/pg00876.html
These are ghastly reminders of the Holocaust, as was
the film sequence in _Judgment at Nurnberg_ shown
by the Richard Widmark character.
But can you show that they are any less irrelevant to
the case of Matt Giwer than they were to the case
of the main defendant [Ernst Janning, IIRC] in that film?
There is plenty wrong with Matt, but can you explain
in what way these pictures address it? I don't think
you can. You defamed me without cause, so unused are you
to thinking about what you post.
Peter Nyikos -- standard disclaimer --
Peter Nyikos
>Matt Giwer the Nazi wrote:
Rick seems to think that
Gas chamber denier = Holocaust denier = Nazi
Has he ever presented evidence for the latter two besides
the first?
>> wf...@ptd.net wrote:
>> >
...in response to a remark about the Dachau
concentration camp by Giwer, which went:
Even the tourist trap Dachau Museum says no one was gassed there
despite the perjury of the US Army claiming 400,000 were gassed there.
Now watch this, folks:
>> > from the dachau concentration camp tourist book, page 173:
>> >
>> > 'in 1940 as the death rate continued to increase, a camp crematorium
>> > with 1 incinerator was built. in the course of the mass extermination
>> > plan, a bigger plant with a GAS CHAMBER and 4 incinerators-the so
>> > called 'baracke X' was quickly erected in 1942. the gas chamber was
>> > never put in use...thousands of prisoners who were selected for
>> > extermination were sent to other camps or to hartheim castle near linz
>> > to be GASSED'.
>> >
>> > liar. you call ME 'not very bright'? you're not even a bright liar. a
>> > very stupid one. very stupid indeed.
Curious.
"wf3h" spouts all these insults, yet he CONFIRMS the first
line Matt wrote, and does not challenge the second.
Matt, of course, picks up on this:
>> You do not appear to be able to read your own quotes. Still no gas
>> chambers there.
Interesting how restrained Matt is in the part that
"rick" quotes, considering how Matt had "wf3h" dead
to rights as the glass-house dweller throwing stones.
But, curiouser and curiouser: all
this seems to go completely over the head of rick--if indeed
he used his head at all instead of turning all Matt Giwer
posts over to some automated software.
Here he goes with the same old two lines:
>Denial of of the truth does not make it go away.
>The truth remains the same:
And the same urls:
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/pages/t003/t00315.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/albums/palbum/p00/a0007p2.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01358.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg16/pg6/pg16677.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg16/pg6/pg16675.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t088/t08820.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg22/pg0/pg22000.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg2/pg04270.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01362.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg5/pg04533.html
>http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg00/pg8/pg00876.html
Peter Nyikos -- standard disclaimer --
Matt Giwer
>
> In article <3B178C25...@tampabay.rr.com>,
> Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> > >
> > > On 1 Jun 2001 05:22:55 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Woodcrafter wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death
> > > >> camp
> > > >> where you admit people were being gassed to death?
> > > >
> > > > Even the tourist trap Dachau Museum says no one was gassed there
> > > >despite the perjury of the US Army claiming 400,000 were gassed there.
> > > >
> > > > Why not physical evidence of gas chambers?
> > > >
> > >
> > > no one was gassed at dachau because the nazis sent dachau inmates to
> > > hartheim castle to be gassed. they did erect gas chambers in 1942 at
> > > dachau as part of 'baracke X' to increase capacity for killing,
> > > however. (source: tourist book, dachau concentration camp).
> > >
> > > so you're lying.
> >
> > How does that explain the US perjury of 400,000 being gassed at Dachau?
> > Lets try to put it all together here boy.
>
> So...how many were gassed at Dachau?
zero
> How many were beaten to death? How
> many died of preventable disease and starvation?
You will have to find those records for yourself. I have seen the
liberation photos of the celebration outside at the headquarters
building. They are well fed, several climbed to the roof to hoist an
American flag. They look nothing like the photos taken in the infirmary.
> What's really pathetic is that you don't seem to realize that any number
> greater than zero in answer to those questions is an indictment of the
> nazi regime, and unambiguous evidence of persecution and attempted
> genocide.
The subject is as I stated. There is no physical evidence of gas
chambers. You want some other subject, start it.
> Do try to pull it together. Something truly monstrous happened in
> Germany under Hitler.
Pray tell what? The Jewish population of Germany in 1932 was on the
order of 1/2 of 1% of the population, about 300,000. The US took in
nearly 200,000 by 1939. I agree in 1937 thousands had to be rounded up
and forced to return to Poland where they were citizens but you will
have to ask them why they preferred Germany over Poland. So I have to
ask you what you are talking about happening in Germany.
> You lying weasels who try to bicker over the
> precise numbers will not change that.
Zero is a very precise number and there is no "bickering" over it.
--
For recycling, should trash be separated by color,
religion, sexual orientation or ethnic origin?
-- The Iron Webmaster, 25
Matt Giwer
>
> On 1 Jun 2001 08:31:26 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> from the dachau concentration camp tourist book, page 173:
> >>
> >> 'in 1940 as the death rate continued to increase, a camp crematorium
> >> with 1 incinerator was built. in the course of the mass extermination
> >> plan, a bigger plant with a GAS CHAMBER and 4 incinerators-the so
> >> called 'baracke X' was quickly erected in 1942. the gas chamber was
> >> never put in use...thousands of prisoners who were selected for
> >> extermination were sent to other camps or to hartheim castle near linz
> >> to be GASSED'.
> >>
> >> liar. you call ME 'not very bright'? you're not even a bright liar. a
> >> very stupid one. very stupid indeed.
> >
> > You do not appear to be able to read your own quotes. Still no gas
> >chambers there.
>
> really? then why does it say baracke X did have gas chambers? i left
> the quote intact so even you can see you are lying.
I have posted both images of gas chambers, the official US Army one and
the Dachau tourist attraction one "which was never used." The tourist
attraction one is clearly labeled as a "Showerbath" even as their own
attraction.
It may appear an esoteric issue to you but I have this device in my
backyard which I can use to travel to the moon. It has never been used
but it is a moon travel device. I used to say 400,000 people had been
given round trips to the moon in it but later I dropped the 400,000
part. I hope you understand.
Are you conceding US perjury in this matter? If you are we can move on.
--
1998: Archaeologist identifies Wailing Wall as the wall of
a 17th century cemetery.
1998 + 2 seconds: his permit is pulled. So sacred the myth.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 182
Matt Giwer
All of the above are head and shoulders moral superiors of Zionists by
every measure including intelligence and education.
--
Three journalists shot by Israel as of 11 Nov 2000. That is far
behind the five they shot in one week two years ago.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 312
Matt Giwer
And my backyard device can fly to the moon.
Got any physical evidence of a gas chamber at that castle?
> you're a liar.
And you have no physical evidence to support your belief. All you have
a stories. I have lots of stories about Biblical Israel in a compendium
of works which has more copies published than any other work. So?
--
All lives are equal even if they are Palestinians.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 257
Matt Giwer
>
> On 1 Jun 2001 08:35:53 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1 Jun 2001 05:22:55 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Woodcrafter wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
> >> >> where you admit people were being gassed to death?
> >> >
> >> > Even the tourist trap Dachau Museum says no one was gassed there
> >> >despite the perjury of the US Army claiming 400,000 were gassed there.
> >> >
> >> > Why not physical evidence of gas chambers?
> >> >
> >>
> >> no one was gassed at dachau because the nazis sent dachau inmates to
> >> hartheim castle to be gassed. they did erect gas chambers in 1942 at
> >> dachau as part of 'baracke X' to increase capacity for killing,
> >> however. (source: tourist book, dachau concentration camp).
> >>
> >> so you're lying.
> >
> > How does that explain the US perjury of 400,000 being gassed at Dachau?
> >Lets try to put it all together here boy.
>
> irrelevant. there were gas chambers at dachau.
And I will only charge you $100,000 for a trip to the moon in my
backyard device.
> dachau inmates were gassed at hartheim castle.
> how do you explain that?
Why can't you show me evidence of a gas chamber at that castle?
--
To make an error is human. To admit an error is superhuman.
To never make an error is divine like me.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 291
Matt Giwer
>
> Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >David Iain Greig wrote:
> >>
> >> Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >Woodcrafter wrote:
> >> >> How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
> >> >> where you admit people were being gassed to death?
> >> > Even the tourist trap Dachau Museum says no one was gassed there
> >> >despite the perjury of the US Army claiming 400,000 were gassed there.
> >> Marcuse points out both the above claims are false. The gas chamber WAS
> >> used, but only for trial gassings.
> >
> > Marcuse who?
>
> Harold Marcuse, a professor of history at UCSB who wrote a very interesting
> book on Dachau. He's even been there. It's a very informative book.
I leave this up to you to research. If an author has academic
credentials but does not use them in a publication the covenant is its
contents have no bearing upon their academic career unless it becomes
embarassing. You may research whether or not the author includes his
academic credentials in the declaration of authorship of the book. If
not, the external existance of such credentials are not applicable to
the book.
Now that we have addressed who the next question is what documentation
did he provide regarding trial gassings. If not academic then he
provided none. If academic then it was copiously footnoted and most
certainly reproduced as it would be the only such documentation.
If you still have the book you can deal with both issues. If you do not
have the book you can post what you remember. If you never read the book
it is proper to say so and to correct the false impression by reciting
who told you what the book said. That will relieve you of any
responsibility for error should the book not be as you stated.
> > Stop being such an idiot.
>
> Matt, pointing out you're wrong or lying isn't idiocy, it's pointing OUT
> idiocy.
Others have confirmed the museum claim of "never used." You want to
bring up a non-quotation of a book I am 99% certain you have never read
making a claim without support that a gas chamber there was used
experimentally.
I have to insist upon the documentation for the experimental use. That
is the exact same thing I require in matters of pyramidology and
atlantisology.
> I know you can't handle facts,
You have not produced a fact. You have not even produced a quotation
about a fact.
> so I don't let your ravings and insults
> bother me. I have to thank you for the opportunity over the past year
> or so to actually become informed on the Nazi camp system - not from
> any of the lies you spout, but from wanting to know what really happened.
> All of which makes your idiotic ravings even more transparently false
> and even easier to show them as such. I'm even taking German classes
> now in order to read some day soon the original source documents.
I took four years of German a long time ago. The only proper way to
learn a language like German or English is immersion. And even for
native English speakers they often don't understand the nuances of their
own language before they were born. Good luck with learning 1940s German
bureaucratize. It takes several months immersion for an American to
learn current US bureaucratize.
> So if you are getting tired of having your lying Jew-hating ass handed
> to you, get out of talk.origins and you'll have less well informed
> people beating you like the Rank Films gong. Klahr?
I did not join talk.origins. I do find it enlightening to have a solid
confirmation of the reasons I stopped participating in you and your ilk.
Your type knows nothing of science and has adopted evolution a mere
dogma. As such you are no different from creationists.
--
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eternal truth and eternal gratitude.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 724
Matt Giwer
> Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> > Matt Giwer brought to you by the 2nd Amendment
> > to the US Constitution.
> > -- The Iron Webmaster, 598
> That is the best arguement I have ever heard for the reform of the US
> Constitution.
So you would change the constitution so the government an infringe
human rights? Why?
> And that takes some doing with a gang of schoolkids armed to the teeth and
> holding off half of the police in Idaho at the moment.
I have not looked closely at the case but it seems to me the government
should not have the power to arrest children who are so capable of
taking care of themselves that they can hold off the local sheriff.
The technicality that it is not a legal arrest even though it has all
the aspects of an arrest is not of interest to me.
--
Steven Spielberg bought an Oscar with a Schindler.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 235
Matt Giwer
>
> Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1 Jun 2001 05:22:55 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Woodcrafter wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> How do you define 'deathcamp' if you do not believe Dachau was a death camp
> >> >> where you admit people were being gassed to death?
> >> >
> >> > Even the tourist trap Dachau Museum says no one was gassed there
> >> >despite the perjury of the US Army claiming 400,000 were gassed there.
> >> >
> >> > Why not physical evidence of gas chambers?
> >> >
> >>
> >> no one was gassed at dachau because the nazis sent dachau inmates to
> >> hartheim castle to be gassed. they did erect gas chambers in 1942 at
> >> dachau as part of 'baracke X' to increase capacity for killing,
> >> however. (source: tourist book, dachau concentration camp).
> >>
> >> so you're lying.
> >
> > How does that explain the US perjury of 400,000 being gassed at Dachau?
> >Lets try to put it all together here boy.
> We have better knowledge of the camps now. How hard is that to realize?
Can you point me to the technical studies which show the better
knowledge in technical terms?
If you cannot you do not know they exist and therefore you are, as is
said in the vernacular, bullshitting me.
And what does that have to do with the perjury?
> I doubt there ever WERE 400,000 people in Dachau; I understood the number
> to be more around 250,000 or less.
So why not directly address the perjury. One cannot swear under oath to
mere speculation.
--
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and they are not an endangered species.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 338
Matt Giwer
>
> wf...@ptd.net <wf...@ptd.net> wrote:
> >On 1 Jun 2001 08:31:26 -0400, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>wf...@ptd.net wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> from the dachau concentration camp tourist book, page 173:
> >>>
> >>> 'in 1940 as the death rate continued to increase, a camp crematorium
> >>> with 1 incinerator was built. in the course of the mass extermination
> >>> plan, a bigger plant with a GAS CHAMBER and 4 incinerators-the so
> >>> called 'baracke X' was quickly erected in 1942. the gas chamber was
> >>> never put in use...thousands of prisoners who were selected for
> >>> extermination were sent to other camps or to hartheim castle near linz
> >>> to be GASSED'.
> >>>
> >>> liar. you call ME 'not very bright'? you're not even a bright liar. a
> >>> very stupid one. very stupid indeed.
> >>
> >> You do not appear to be able to read your own quotes. Still no gas
> >>chambers there.
> >
> >really? then why does it say baracke X did have gas chambers? i left
> >the quote intact so even you can see you are lying.
>
> The gas-chamber/crematorium
Where did that slash come from? Have you actually been reading and
realize there are only mention of crematoria? (Lutheran Germany adopted
cremation because the Catholics condemned it as a Roman practice.) I
apologize for assuming you were reading.
> also had the chambers for disinfecting
> clothes. I mean, you can see them in photos on Matt's page. But
> Marcuse claims the gas chamber was only used for trials, and points
> out the sign saying 'the chamber was never used -- disguised as showers'
> is incorrect.
Writing without academic credentials. I will be awaiting your exact
response to all those questions
> >i dont have a problem. you're a liar. thats your problem, not mine.
> I actually enjoy showing his stupid lies up. It's easier and easier the
> more I learn about the camp system.
Why don't you in fact produce evidence of gas chambers instead of
stories about them?
I have an appreciation of the engineering requirements and I would
greatly appreciate the opportunity to see exactly how the solved the
problems of the greatly increased scale from one at a time in the US to
thousands at one time in one room in those days.
That is one hell of an engineering acheivement and certainly is worth
serious study -- if only you could show me a real gas chamber.
--
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is like considering Roman Catholics and Latter Day Saints to be
of the same religion.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 276
Matt Giwer
You should know better than that. The claim it was an exterimination
camp was abandoned after archaeologists failed to find any signs of the
existance of it including no signs of even disturbed earth for building
foundations.
As a minimum you should know that if you are pretending to knowledge of
the subject.
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Torah thumpers are a subset of Bible thumpers.
They have fewer of the same books.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 370