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How to remove moisture from nitrogen gas

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emj...@sify.com

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Aug 21, 2005, 6:17:25 AM8/21/05
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I want to fill a cavity with nitrogen gas and the cavity is to be
cooled to low temperature (100K). I use commercially available nitrogen
gas , which has water vapor and this water gets condensed in the
cavity. Can anyone suggest an effective method to dry the nitrogen gas
before sending into the cavity.
Mohmed Jamal

Farooq W

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Aug 21, 2005, 6:42:50 AM8/21/05
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Some speculations: Why don't you design a trap which cools commerical
nitrogen gas to very low temperature before the gas is entered in the
cavity? Any water vapour would automatically condense in the trap or
for higher couple this trap with high effieciency adsorbents such as
alumina or anhydrous calcium chloride.

Christopher Kerr

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Aug 21, 2005, 8:45:40 AM8/21/05
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emj...@sify.com wrote:

You could try bubbling it through concentrated sulphuric acid.

Martin Pot

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Aug 21, 2005, 9:44:28 AM8/21/05
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You could dry the gas with a nafion membrane gas dryer (Perma Pure LLC,
http://www.permapure.com).

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N. Ron

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Aug 21, 2005, 10:45:16 AM8/21/05
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Can you use a commercially available desiccant like Drierite and connect it
in-line to your gas source? I am not sure what the dew point of the exit gas
would be (and whether it would match what you desire), but this should be a
cheap option and easy to try out.

Niles

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James Copeland

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Aug 21, 2005, 11:37:41 AM8/21/05
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Try a drying tube filled with magnesium perchlorate. This is a well-known
drying agent which is regenerable. It is probably the most thorough of the
solid drying agents. We used it a lot when we wanted really intense drying
of gases.
Jim C.


Carl Ijames

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Aug 21, 2005, 12:08:02 PM8/21/05
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How about using the boiloff from a dewar of liquid nitrogen as your
source? I can't quote dryness specs but I have to believe that pretty
much any water will stay frozen in the dewar (check the vapor pressure
of water at 77 K if you want the lower limit of the water partial
pressure in the nitrogen gas). Depending on how much gas you are using,
it's also cheaper to buy the gas this way since one 160 L dewar is equal
to about 20 high pressure tanks of gas.

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Aug 21, 2005, 12:48:48 PM8/21/05
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Dear Carl Ijames:

"Carl Ijames" <carl....@nospm.verizon.net> wrote in message
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> >I want to fill a cavity with nitrogen gas and the cavity is to
> >be
>> cooled to low temperature (100K). I use commercially available
>> nitrogen
>> gas , which has water vapor and this water gets condensed in
>> the
>> cavity. Can anyone suggest an effective method to dry the
>> nitrogen gas
>> before sending into the cavity.
>
> How about using the boiloff from a dewar of liquid nitrogen as
> your source? I can't quote dryness specs but I have to believe
> that pretty much any water will stay frozen in the dewar (check
> the vapor
> pressure of water at 77 K if you want the lower limit of the
> water
> partial pressure in the nitrogen gas).

This is a good idea as a first step. The ice does sublime
however, and you do get a small amount of water in the exit gas
stream.

Compressed gas cylinders are commonly rinsed with water
internally (or even just exposed to atmospheric air). If the
cylinders are not "baked", then refilled, they "breathe" water
out along with the decompressing gas. I had this problem with
oxygen...

David A. Smith


Uncle Al

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Aug 21, 2005, 3:09:08 PM8/21/05
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Run the tank "dry" nitrogen through a preliminary dryer of activated
Drierite or 4A molecular sieves as necessary and desirable, followed
by a pipe loosely filled with clean steel or copper wool (surface
area, turbulence, and thermal conductivity) in a liquid nitrogen bath
(77 K). That will give you dry nitrogen at 100 K.

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Attila the Bum

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Aug 22, 2005, 4:05:46 PM8/22/05
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You don't indicate the volume
requirements, but given your
name, perhaps the appropriate
technology would be to bubble
the gas through conc. sulfuric
acid.


Atty (Then there was the time ....)

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Sep 22, 2016, 11:38:25 AM9/22/16
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You could pass the gas through a purifier, such as those made by SAES Pure GAs in California http://www.saespuregas.com/Products/Purifier-Selection.html. The point of use Microtorr purifiers will remove H2O to <1 ppb, whilstt he heated getter MonoTorrs will also remove CH4 from the nitrogen as well.
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