does Almond Joy (Hersheys) really have 0 trans fat since it has partially hydrogenated oil
a_plutonium
oil. I thought the two are the same
but maybe chemists have a different definition for one and the other.
Mounds (Hershey) has 0 trans fat and no partially hydrogenated oil but
Almond Joy has 0 Trans fat and does
contain Partially Hydrogenated vegetable oil.
So is this a deception on the part of Hershey? All hydrogenated oils
whether partial or not partial is trans fat.
Can those in health sciences and chemistry unravel this knot of
confusion.
Maybe what is needed is a simple terminology such as calling a fat
either (1) bad fat or (2) acceptable fat.
Instead we are bogged down in confusion with:
(1) saturated fat
(2) unsaturated fat
(3) trans fat
(4) hydrogenated fat
(5) partially hydrogenated fat
Why not just group it as bad fat and acceptable fat.
So is the Hershey label on Almond Joy tell us whether it contains any
"bad fat" and is partially hydrogenated
oil really trans fat?
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Frank
> I have stopped eating any food that contains Trans fat or Hydrogenated
> oil. I thought the two are the same
> but maybe chemists have a different definition for one and the other.
>
> Mounds (Hershey) has 0 trans fat and no partially hydrogenated oil but
> Almond Joy has 0 Trans fat and does
> contain Partially Hydrogenated vegetable oil.
>
> So is this a deception on the part of Hershey? All hydrogenated oils
> whether partial or not partial is trans fat.
>
> Can those in health sciences and chemistry unravel this knot of
> confusion.
>
> Maybe what is needed is a simple terminology such as calling a fat
> either (1) bad fat or (2) acceptable fat.
>
> Instead we are bogged down in confusion with:
> (1) saturated fat
> (2) unsaturated fat
> (3) trans fat
> (4) hydrogenated fat
> (5) partially hydrogenated fat
>
> Why not just group it as bad fat and acceptable fat.
>
http://www.fda.gov/FDAC/features/2003/503_fats.html
I had a nearly blocked coronary artery that needed stents.
Now looking at the FDA'a table, with exception of zero fat milk, consume
none on table.
Frank
a_plutonium
Bob wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:40:38 -0700, a_plutonium
> <a_plu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I have stopped eating any food that contains Trans fat or Hydrogenated
> >oil. I thought the two are the same
> >but maybe chemists have a different definition for one and the other.
> >
> >Mounds (Hershey) has 0 trans fat and no partially hydrogenated oil but
> >Almond Joy has 0 Trans fat and does
> >contain Partially Hydrogenated vegetable oil.
> >
> >So is this a deception on the part of Hershey? All hydrogenated oils
> >whether partial or not partial is trans fat.
>
>
>
>
> Some trans fat is natural -- small amounts in dairy products.
>
> "Unnatural" trans fat occurs in _partially_ hydrogenated oils.
>
> It would be impossible if the oil were fully hydrogenated; that would
> make no sense chemically, as there is nothing left to be cis or trans.
> Fully hydrogenated fat is just saturated fat.
>
>
> As for the terms being synonyms... Trans fat is a type of fat (the
> double bonds are in trans form); hydrogenation is a process for
> treating fat. Hydrogenation can create trans fat, but complete
> hydrogenation eliminates it -- leaving saturated fat (no double
> bonds). When "hydrogenated" gets used, informally, to describe the
> fat, you must know how it was hydrogenated (most importantly, how
> much).
>
>
> As to the labeling: Trans fat labeling is required, and there is info
> at the FDA page. However, there is a small catch. The numbers (for any
> nutrient -- nothing special here about trans fat) are rounded. So if
> there is a small amount, so that the rounding leads to it being called
> zero, that is ok. I am not sure exactly how this is done, but it is
> FDA rules. No chicanery from Hershey (tho I have heard rumors that
> some mfg'ers will adjust the serving size to make certain numbers look
> better.)
>
>
> So you may well be correct to suspect that there is some trans fat in
> your candy bar. I would bet it is less than 1 gram or so. What % this
> is, you can estimate from the rest of the label.
>
Thanks, I do think an estimate is possible when it says:
total fat 13 g
Sat. fat 8 g
Trans fat 0 g
I have decided to no longer buy Almond Joy.
>
> >
> >Can those in health sciences and chemistry unravel this knot of
> >confusion.
> >
> >Maybe what is needed is a simple terminology such as calling a fat
> >either (1) bad fat or (2) acceptable fat.
>
>
> Can't do that, cuz there is no such distinction.
>
> You need fat -- various kinds. But too much is bad. Too much of any
> kind.
>
> There is a fair amount of evidence that trans fat is not particularly
> good for you -- perhaps about the same as saturated fat, maybe a bit
> worse. You consume lots of saturated fat.
>
> I wouldn't really worry about it at this point. Obviously, it is not
> "very" bad -- cuz we all ate quite a bit of it for many years, with
> only minor consequences. The data does not suggest it is very bad.
>
> The FDA labeling requirement has led to a major reduction in how much
> trans fat we get. That is probably good. But I wouldn't worry about
> consuming smaller amounts. If it is easy to choose among two products,
> fine. But if something you like still has some trans fat, don't worry
> about it. You are still way below what you used to consume, when it
> was ubiquitous.
>
>
> This is not medical advice. People differ. If you have some medical
> conditions, your situation might be different.
>
>
> bob
Thanks for the above information, Bob, and I think you should help the
FDA by inventing a better means of labeling and classification of
fats. A
system in which the general public cannot be fooled into what they are
eating. Such foolery as "rounding off" and thus still containing trans
fat.
Perhaps introductory chemistry textbooks should have a chapter on
fats.
And perhaps the chemistry teachers in the USA give guidelines to the
FDA
on food labeling and more of an education on fat chemistry.
a_plutonium
Frank wrote:
> This may not help from a chemical viewpoint but gives good dietary advice:
> http://www.fda.gov/FDAC/features/2003/503_fats.html
> I had a nearly blocked coronary artery that needed stents.
> Now looking at the FDA'a table, with exception of zero fat milk, consume
> none on table.
> Frank
Thanks for that website, for I did not know that saturated fats is
just as bad as trans-fat in that
it raises the LDL bad cholesterol.
Now I have to stop eating or avoiding foods with alot of saturated
fats.
Frank
Mine was OK but I still got blockage. Now besides a heart healthy diet
which limits fat, I take Lipitor. You would be surprised to know the
number of people on the statins.
Frank
bigvince
> a_plutonium wrote:
> > Frank wrote:
>
> >> This may not help from a chemical viewpoint but gives good dietary advice:
> >>http://www.fda.gov/FDAC/features/2003/503_fats.html
> >> I had a nearly blocked coronary artery that needed stents.
> >> Now looking at the FDA'a table, with exception of zero fat milk, consume
> >> none on table.
> >> Frank
>
> > Thanks for that website, for I did not know that saturated fats is
> > just as bad as trans-fat in that
> > it raises the LDL bad cholesterol.
>
> > Now I have to stop eating or avoiding foods with alot of saturated
> > fats.
>
> > Archimedes Plutonium
> >www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
> > whole entire Universe is just one big atom
> > where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
>
> People are different and best to keep tabs on your blood cholesterol.
> Mine was OK but I still got blockage.
If your blood cholesterol was ok and if that is the most important
factor.
How did you get the blockage/
Frank
normal. I know a lot of fat guys on Lipitor that eat and drink all they
want and cholesterol is low. I think that is pushing the envelope.
Frank
mzlin...@earthlink.net
<a_plu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Mounds (Hershey) has 0 trans fat and no partially hydrogenated oil but
>Almond Joy has 0 Trans fat and does
>contain Partially Hydrogenated vegetable oil.
>
>So is this a deception on the part of Hershey? All hydrogenated oils
>whether partial or not partial is trans fat.
US labeling rules say less than 0.5g/serving they can list as 0.
Aside from the good-fat/bad-fat argument, I avoid hydrogenated oils
because they're nearly all made from genetically engineered plants,
and are rancid, too. This is also true of the so-called "healthy
unsaturated cooking oils" in the grocery store, and used in many
restaurants, esp. fast food. The processing they undergo guarantees
they'll be partly rotten before they hit the market, and storage and
heating in cooking finish the job, whether it's in your home or a
food processing plant. If you ever get off them, you'll never go
back, because you'll realize how much they really taste like garbage
[rotten food].
Martin Brown
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:40:38 -0700, a_plutonium
>
> >Mounds (Hershey) has 0 trans fat and no partially hydrogenated oil but
> >Almond Joy has 0 Trans fat and does
> >contain Partially Hydrogenated vegetable oil.
>
> >So is this a deception on the part of Hershey? All hydrogenated oils
> >whether partial or not partial is trans fat.
>
> US labeling rules say less than 0.5g/serving they can list as 0.
>
> Aside from the good-fat/bad-fat argument, I avoid hydrogenated oils
> because they're nearly all made from genetically engineered plants,
I don't think you can blame GM technology for the rancidity. Bad
handling and oxidation is much more relevant.
> and are rancid, too. This is also true of the so-called "healthy
> unsaturated cooking oils" in the grocery store, and used in many
> restaurants, esp. fast food. The processing they undergo guarantees
> they'll be partly rotten before they hit the market, and storage
I always thought that it was the sole purpose of Hershey chocolate
bars to smell and taste of rancid fat.
An American friend in Japan warned me to take lots of chocolate with
me because the stuff available there was "rubbish". In fact what he
meant was that the Japanese had learnt the art of chocolate making
from the Portugese, Dutch and Belgians and made only very highest
quality chocolate from pure cocoa butter.
Regards,
Martin Brown
mzlin...@earthlink.net
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Aug 7, 8:56 pm, mzlindy...@earthlink.net wrote:
[...]
>> Aside from the good-fat/bad-fat argument, I avoid hydrogenated oils
>> because they're nearly all made from genetically engineered plants,
>
>I don't think you can blame GM technology for the rancidity.
No, I didn't mean to imply that. I just find it another aspect of
"bad" that's mostly separate from the saturated/unsaturated/trans
nutritional debate.
TheGuffster
Why would you believe that genetically modified food would be "bad"?