Famous Scientists Who Died In The Holocaust
Mark Thorson
died in the Holocaust. In looking up information about
piezochemistry, I found one: Ernst Cohen.
His most famous contribution was the elucidation of the
mechanism of "tin pest". He also was president of IUPAC.
A Dutch Jew, he died in Auschwitz in 1944.
hanson
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on the wall that officially threatened him from ca 1933 on with the
declaration of the Nuremberg laws then he was a grand dumbshit.
What's your fascination with the Holocaust anyway? So, 6 million
died there. BUT that's ONLY 3% of the ~ 200 million victims that
got murdered in all genocides world-wide in the 20th century.
Yet the Holocaust industry keeps the focus alive only on the corpses
of their 6 million... for profits sake of course... The other 193 million
do neither matter nor deserve any mention. Don't they, Thorson?
Is it because you are one of these a profiteering, industrious,
august, moral and noble Holocaust industrialists, Thorson?
hanson
robert j. kolker
hanson wrote:
> What's your fascination with the Holocaust anyway? So, 6 million
> died there.
Over 12 million. Jews were not the only victims.
This does not include civillian casualties of Hitler's invasion of
Russia. Some 20 million died. Then there were the military casualties.
The Butcher's Bill for Hitler's doings probably totalled near to 40
million. Stalin, who was more of a butcher than Hitler arranged for even
more to die, some of them Russians, Chechnayans and Ukrainians.
> BUT that's ONLY 3% of the ~ 200 million victims that
> got murdered in all genocides world-wide in the 20th century.
> Yet the Holocaust industry keeps the focus alive only on the corpses
> of their 6 million
That is not true. Most people who remember the Holocaust also remember
the other victims plus the Armenians who were done in before WWI.
Bob Kolker
Italy Anonymous Remailer
> died in the Holocaust. In looking up information about
> piezochemistry, I found one: Ernst Cohen.
>
> His most famous contribution was the elucidation of the
> mechanism of "tin pest". He also was president of IUPAC.
> A Dutch Jew, he died in Auschwitz in 1944.
>
> http://www.weizmann.ac.il/ICS/booklet/9/pdf/weintraub.pdf
Ute Deichmann, an historian of science at the Institut für Genetik,
Weyertal, Germany, and Benno Muller-Hill have some studies on science
and the Holocaust, mostly about biologists.
Biologists under Hitler / Ute Deichmann ; translated by Thomas
Dunlap. Cambridge, Mass. : Harvard University Press, 1996
Deichmann U; Chemists and biochemists during the National Socialist
era; ANGEWANDTE CHEMIE-INTERNATIONAL EDITION 41 (8): 1310-1328
Deichmann U, Muller-Hill B The fraud of Abderhalden's enzymes NATURE
393 (6681): 109-111 MAY 14 1998
Benno Muller-Hill, Genetics of susceptibility to tuberculosis:
Mengele's experiments in Auschwitz NATURE REVIEWS
GENETICS 2 (8): 631-634 AUG 2001
Muller-Hill B, The blood from Auschwitz and the silence of the scholars
HISTORY AND PHILOSOPHY OF THE LIFE SCIENCES 21 (3): 331-365
etc. See also:
'The Nazi Persecution of the Gypsies,' by Guenter Lewi.
"Wissenschaft in turbulenter Zeit: Erinnerungen eines Chemikers an die
Technische Hochschule Munchen 1933-1953" by Helmut Behrens.
"Racial Hygiene: Medicine Under the Nazis (Harvard University Press,
1988)" by Robert Proctor.
Works by Primo Levi and biographies of other scientists who did
survive but mention, but only in passing, some who did not. It's hard
to achieve "fame" in those circumstances. Warburg and Willstatter,
both Nobelists, were not deported to concentration camps but they were
persecuted.
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Borek
wrote:
> can you name any of the professors of the Jagiellonian University in
> Cracow, murdered by Germans well before the Final Solution started?
So called Sonderaktion Krakau.
http://www3.uj.edu.pl/alma/alma/64/01/03.html
in Polish only. Scroll down for a full list.
However, worse happened later with proffessors of Lwów University.
This time to avoid troubles and protests Germans killed all at once.
In Krakow they have been moved to concentration camps and due to public
opinion at least some of them were later released.
In both cases nationality played no role. Actions were pointed against
Polish intellectuals.
Best,
Borek
Y.Porat
the unique case about the jews (gypsyes as well but not in those
figures)
The jews were murdred in a DEATH FACTORY of gas chambers
something that no devil before invented!!
2 they were murdred *as a nation* ie no whatsoever a personal
acusation
just belonging to the jewish inferiour race!!
it inclused one and a half *children*
(you can see stockes of their shoose in Aushwitz)
the secret aim waas to anihilate them *completely from this world
Indians in Anerica were also mudered but mostly in a war of armed peole
in the holocost case they were unarmed civilians of those very
countries.
3 another case is of the Armenians by Turkey but 'only about 2
(millions)
i dont remenber the right number)
and still not in a death factory that was built expecially for
genocide.
with a special gas Cyclon B that was specially desined for that.
(in a 'decent famous chemistry factory'
parts of their corpses was recicled as 'goods'
like collecting their golden theeth clothes hair etc
all their properties was confiscated and actually robbed.
needd i go on with that ???
i can say it from first and second testimony since all my family from
my fathers side
were murderd there.
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Y.Porat
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Brian G. Moore
Where is Uncle Al in this thread? Aren't you also a Holocaust
debunker?
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:12:04 GMT, the analyst
<unli...@due2spam.on.net> wrote:
>I know that, my post was meant for the originator of the thread. Some
>people still believe, that only one group was subject to
>extermination.
>
>
>
>On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:01:11 +0100, Borek
><bo...@parts.bpp.to.com.remove.pl> wrote:
>
>*On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:36:08 GMT, the analyst <unli...@due2spam.on.net>
>*wrote:
>*
>*> can you name any of the professors of the Jagiellonian University in
>*> Cracow, murdered by Germans well before the Final Solution started?
>*
>*So called Sonderaktion Krakau.
>*
>*http://www3.uj.edu.pl/alma/alma/64/01/03.html
>*
>*in Polish only. Scroll down for a full list.
>*
>*However, worse happened later with proffessors of Lwów University.
>*This time to avoid troubles and protests Germans killed all at once.
>*
>*In Krakow they have been moved to concentration camps and due to public
>*opinion at least some of them were later released.
>*
>*In both cases nationality played no role. Actions were pointed against
>*Polish intellectuals.
>*
>*Best,
>*Borek
robert j. kolker
Y.Porat wrote:
> 3 another case is of the Armenians by Turkey but 'only about 2
> (millions)
> i dont remenber the right number)
> and still not in a death factory that was built expecially for
> genocide.
> with a special gas Cyclon B that was specially desined for that.
> (in a 'decent famous chemistry factory'
> parts of their corpses was recicled as 'goods'
> like collecting their golden theeth clothes hair etc
> all their properties was confiscated and actually robbed.
There is an interesting nexus between the Armenian Massacre and the
Holocaust. Hitler was asked to consider the consequences of his policy
of extermination. He asked what consequences flowed from the Armenian
Massacre. The answer was none and the rest is history. Had the world
done something about Turkey or to Turkey in 1915 there might never have
been a Holocaust.
Bob Kolker
Mark Thorson
I would like to keep your posting available.
Thank you.
A.Melon
> million. Stalin, who was more of a butcher than Hitler arranged for even
> more to die, some of them Russians, Chechnayans and Ukrainians.
Searching "japan wwii" or "japan atrocities" at amazon.com returns many
books about the Japenese atrocities in China from the early 1930's onwards.
The Rape of Nanjing; the enslavement of Korean "comfort women"; germ
and chemical warfare conducted in China; etc.
The Japanese operated concentration camps and did horrific medical
experiments on Chinese prisoners. The work of "Army Unit 731" is well
documented in 6 or more books (several out of print). Several Japanese
medical doctors who conducted experiments at Unit 731 escaped trial or
punishment after WWII and some went on to achieve great FAME (an ironic
twist on the originally posted question) and honors in medicinal chemistry.
(By "escape" I mean it was decided by US + allies not to prosecute, probably
in exchange for information, not that they ran away and hid escaped.)
muha
He was a patriot - he was first to suggest to Keiser during WWI use of
chlorine and mustard gas. Most famously, he developed a practical
synthesis of ammonia from elements during WWI which kept german
ammunition factories running after natural nitrates from Chile became
embargoed.
Mark Thorson
> Fritz Haber died in a concentration camp because of his race.
Not true. Although he was a Jew, he died in 1935,
and not because of being a Jew.
http://www.woodrow.org/teachers/chemistry/institutes/1992/Haber.html
hanson
> muha wrote:
> > Fritz Haber died in a concentration camp because of his race.
>
> Not true. Although he was a Jew, he died in 1935,
> and not because of being a Jew.
> http://www.woodrow.org/teachers/chemistry/institutes/1992/Haber.html
>
Like Muha said: "he was first to suggest to use during WWI Cl2 & mustard gas"
And, in addition, to complete his records and to make the full cycle of irony:
"Zyklon B was originally developed in the 1920s by Fritz Haber, a German Jew"
who was forced to emigrate in 1934: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyklon_B
and "Zyclone B gas was a much cheaper way to kill off the Jews" in the KZ's:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/worth.html .......
.... literally: == What comes around goes around == .... which precipitates
the ominous question as to whether that type of phenomenon will repeat
itself again in the same fashion with nukes....????
hanson
Y.Porat
no one is minimising the holocost of the Poles
ye the poles have an interst to obfuscate the holocost of the jewas
do you waht me to start an 'acount ' with you
we have a 'full belly ' against the poles that i didnt waht to mention
btw twards the ucrains as well
do you knoe where is aushcwitz is laocated:?
do you think it is accidental??
not at all
the Germans new the old hatred of Poles agianst the jews
so they cold bloodedly deavlish cinical located the death camps
in poland!!
they didnt locat it nore in france nor in the scandinavians countrie
why??
do you know that riots and killoings took place aginst jews in --
poland
much earlier before??
do uou know that many of the 'staf man in those deathcamps
where Poles and Ucrains if not ther e is news for you
do you know that even after the war riots against jews and masacre took
place??
do you know that untill this very moment even if they are jews
'that you can count them on one hand ' antisemitism still exists and
kickes??
do you know that one third of the jewish nation was externinated in
those
death camps?
now about acusing the russians
inded they lkilled masses of people but
it was not aimed to a nation as a nation
it was a political aimed ie against opposers of the reageem
the russians were those once who first liberated those death camps
it was not done by the Poles
now do you thing that westwrn counries are free of any guit??
i was here in Israel while the British were sending back to europ
ships of refugees survivers of the holocost!!
they closeed fo rthose refugees not only thisr own country gate
but the gate of the only country in the worled that partially belonges
to the jews why ????
because the arabs that had thier hands on the petrol
demanded it from them (fronm the british)
and the hell with those survivers!!
i could go on with it
yet it is not a sympathic job to go on it i smuch nicer to talk about
nice thigs
now you mentioned that yor granfather was murdered by the nazies
in my caase it was not lust one
inmay case it was *all the family from my fathers side*
that actually affeted our private life you can immagine how
how is it to grow up without a ny backing from a family!!
so i think enough with it
just to remember that such a holocost should never happen again.
and tell about it to the young generation.
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Y.Porat
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Borek
> do you knoe where is aushcwitz is laocated:?
> do you think it is accidental??
> not at all
> the Germans new the old hatred of Poles agianst the jews
> so they cold bloodedly deavlish cinical located the death camps
> in poland!!
You are making more factual mistakes and stupid accusations then
spelling errors.
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
> On 27 Jan 2005 04:47:30 -0800, "Y.Porat" <map...@012.net.il> wrote:
>
> *it seems tha some people have some interest to obfuscate
> *the unique case about the jews (gypsyes as well but not in those
> *figures)
>
> there were 375k citizens of Poland (75k could be classified as
> Catholics)murdered in Auschwitz, we do not know, howt he rest would
> like to be classified. there were 340k Hungarians, mainly Jews,
> Russians 25k, even smaller number of Gypsies and 70-80 homosexuals. I
> am not sure, what was so special about Jews, but Poles, Russians and
> others were killed during the war in significant numbers. If you ever
> visit Warsaw, you will see places marked, where Germans killed (shot
> dead) hundreds and thousands of Poles. Number of dead during the
> Warsaw Uprising (200k) exceeds combined Hiroshima and Nagasaki, all in
> 63 days.
>
>
> *
> *The jews were murdred in a DEATH FACTORY of gas chambers
> *something that no devil before invented!!
Which is something of a tribute to ordinary Germans.
Hitler would not have had to do it industrially and in semi-secrecy if ordinary
Germans were like (say) the Hutu ie willing to pick up a machete and go round
and hack their neighbours to death.
--
Dirk
The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
See Project Paperclip
Y.Porat
i am not goint to compete with you about quantity of writing
1 becauase i am not a genuine English writer
2 i have no interest in doing it just here.
3 i sayed right at the beginning: no one whant to diminish that tragedy
that ww2 inflicted on poland
moreover Poland was alwqay a victimm of being
'squashed between the bigg empiers
rusia ans germany
i know it all well
i know as well the history of Jews who were chaised out
from s;pain because of christian hostility
thjough they contributed a lot there
the jews where actually invited to imigrate to Poland
by ther rulres because Pland then was pooly populated
and the Jews of that time were considered as
being able to contribute to the advance of that counrty
and actually they did much of it
i know as well that many of them turned later to be
'excuse me the tern but it only me who is a jew who is entitled to day
that: so some of them turned to become
parasites but it cannot be sayed sweepingly.
yet that is not a crime justifying death at a gas chamber
indiscriminately
not to mension the 1.5 million children.
i didnt hear about 1.5 Polish children that were gased in the Gas
chambers.
now my personal complaint against some not all poles is the
BETRIAL
i it is just because of the long partmership beween poles and Jews
that some of that betrial is so hurting
they didnt do what the Danish people did in saving their jews
they didnt do what the Bulgarians did telling to the Germans
we are not alowing you to toush our jews
soo manty of them cooperated with the nazies
too many of them benefited very quickly by setling in the dead jews
real estate etc
yuet i know not less thn you that thee where pious Poles that endagerd
ther life to save jews but that was the exception to the rule
we apreciate those people by comemorrating them in forest
nad other memorials
so in shrt
the disaster of the poles and other nations i snot a reason to diminish
the holocost of Jews
and again
the main point is to remember and see that nothing like that
will never happen again
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Y.Porat
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hanson
news:1107062969.4...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>... in shrt the disaster of the poles and other nations
> i snot a reason to diminish the holocost of Jews
> and again the main point is to
> remember and see that nothing like that
> will never happen again
> -----------------------
>
[hanson]
Yehiel, your wish is understandable but your wishing that
it will never happen again is unfortunately sheer lunacy.
Just to mention a few... since the Jewish Holocaust there
were genocides of equal & *bigger* scale in Hindu-Muslim
E/W Pakistan, in Mao's China, Idi Amin's Uganda, Biafra,
Pot Pol's Cambodia, Rwanda, etc., and like said earlier in
this thread, during the 20th century some **200 million**
people were murdered in genocides. That makes the
6 million **Jews a mere 3% of the victims**, but Jews do
make 97% of the noise about it with their Holocaust industry
still busily profiteering 60 years later over corpses and from
the misery of their murdered kin folk. ....
So, it appears that remembering seems to fuel genocide and
prove that it works *profitably*... Be careful what you wish
for & what you honor, for above shows that the bastards who
tell you that "if you don't remember history you will be condemned
to repeat it" are full of shit, since the record shows exactly the
opposite:
"If you remember history you will see that genocide pays. Big time."
Yehiel, I didn't make this world. I only have dance in this fucking
place. So, old friend Yehiel take care and L'CHAIM!
hanson
Y.Porat
analyst wrote:
> On 29 Jan 2005 21:29:29 -0800, "Y.Porat" <map...@012.net.il> wrote:
>
> *ok
> *i am not goint to compete with you about quantity of writing
>
> neither in quality
>
> *1 becauase i am not a genuine English writer
>
> it is not a sin
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here is a slogan i invenetd just now:
'Never argue with a proud Polak'
you have no chance to say the last word!(not any word at all
he will be *absolutely* right all laong)
anyway thats why i am not going on anymore with you
if you like we can discuss physics
yet concidering your lofty(arrogant) Ego i am not suere it can lead to
something
productive
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have agood time
Y.Porat
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>
>
Borek
> here is a slogan i invenetd just now:
> 'Never argue with a proud Polak'
You are accusing us of racism and antisemitism, being racist and
antipolonist yourself.
Borek
Y.Porat
di dyou noticed what we did here?!!
we a 'bloody Jew' and a aporak are breaking their heads
while the real devils the Nazis are rubbing their hands with
satisfaction
while we withopur own hands are diverting the main point from the real
devils
and obfuscating the main moral that should be learned!!
(it was the old Roman system to rule their empier it was
'dividum et empera' remember??
so please dont let it go in that direction anymore !!
all th ebest
Y.Porat
ps i am not a racist i appreciate very much Madam Curiie (:-)...
and some other great Polish scintists.or any great scintist
nop matter what is orrigine is .and *decent people* as well
no matter what is their orrigine !!
robert j. kolker
Borek wrote:
>
> You are accusing us of racism and antisemitism, being racist and
> antipolonist yourself.
Prior to the German/Soviet destruction of Poland, about five percent of
the population were first rate intellects. Poland is the home of some of
the greatest logicians that ever lived. But the other ninetyfive
percent? Bullyocks who got drunk guzzling plum brandy from a wooden
shoe. Slivovitz was aqua vita for many non-sober Poles.
In the countryside the main industry was pogroms.
Bob Kolker
Y.Porat
Y.Porat
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