Stunt gel - does anyone know the ingedients?
I have None
Zel gel)?
TIA for any helpful information.
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Uncle Al
>
> Does anyone know the ingredients needed to make stunt gel (also called
> Zel gel)?
1) Look at the ingredients listed on the can.
2)Get the patent number, then
http://www.uspto.gov/
3) Ask,
http://www.zeller-int.com/categories/fireret/zeljel.htm
Note that the stuff is tremendously overpriced given that it is mostly
water, therefore don't expect much cooperation.
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I have None
wrote:
>I have None wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know the ingredients needed to make stunt gel (also called
>> Zel gel)?
>
> 1) Look at the ingredients listed on the can.
>
> 2)Get the patent number, then
>http://www.uspto.gov/
>
> 3) Ask,
>http://www.zeller-int.com/categories/fireret/zeljel.htm
>
>Note that the stuff is tremendously overpriced given that it is mostly
>water, therefore don't expect much cooperation.
I don't actually have any of the Zel or stunt gel on hand. As you
mentioned they are grossly overcharging for the stuff. I have a
chemist in my location that will make it for me if I can get the
ingredients. All I know is that the gel is water-soluble, and is about
90% water.
I appreicate your help though. I will try and see if I can get the
patent number.
Thank you.
I have None
I went to the US patent website and was able to obtain some more
information. The primar ingredients of the gel are water and Tea Tree
Oil and/or Tea Tree Blend. A gum material or thickening agent is used
to maintain the water and Tea Tree Oil and/or Blend in a thickened or
gel state.
If anyone can provide additional information that would be greatly
appreciated. Thank you.
Uncle Al
>
> I went to the US patent website and was able to obtain some more
> information. The primar ingredients of the gel are water and Tea Tree
> Oil and/or Tea Tree Blend. A gum material or thickening agent is used
> to maintain the water and Tea Tree Oil and/or Blend in a thickened or
> gel state.
>
> If anyone can provide additional information that would be greatly
> appreciated. Thank you.
Any non-toxic severe thickening agent in water looks like it will do
it as long as it meets skin pH requirements (around pH 6) and
aesthetics (transparent and colorless). The scenting stuff is
excipient. Union Carbide Polyox to hydroxypropyl cellulose should do
OK; carboxymethyl cellulose probably has to be a bit too alkaline.
Fine tune the ionic strength with saline to physiologic values to
avoid hydration (prunng) or dehydration of the skin over long
contacts. You clearly want the moste extreme thickening for a given
concentration.
Mixing the stuff will be an adventure - seriously. Beware fisheyes;
oh that Fickian Type II diffusion! It takes a day or two for the
solution to ripen to final properties. Polyox is insoluble in boiling
water. You disperse the powder in boiling water then cool with
vigorous stirring - but not so vigorous to degrade molecular weight by
shear.
If you are looking at long term storage you will need bacteria and
fungi inhibitors (look at hand lotions).
Don't trust a generic formulation it to work until you test it.
Michael Moroney
I have None
wrote:
>>
>Don't trust a generic formulation it to work until you test it.
I designed a simple device to test out the effectiveness of any gel I
use. It is a block of wood with a probe glued to it. The opposite end
of the probe is attached to a temperature scanner. I cover the block
of wood and probe in the gel, I put Nomex over that and some natural
fiber type material (i.e. denim) over that. Then I put the accelerant
on that (i.e. rubber cement being one of the ingredients for the
accelerant); I haven't figured out the ingredients for the accelerant
yet but this will let me experiment. I then light it up and record how
long it takes before any heat makes it through the gel to the probe.
Thanks for the info.
I have None
(Michael Moroney) wrote:
>What is "stunt gel" ?
Stunt gel or Zel gel is smeared on a stuntman's body before performing
a localized fire burn. The stuntman's body is throughly coated with
the gel. The stunt person then dresses up in a Nomex undershirt and
underwear (also coated in the gel). The Nomex clothing is smoothed out
against the stunt performer's body so there are no air pockets. Then
the stuint performer gets dressed in clothing made of natural fibers
only (commonly purchased at a Thrift Store for about $16).
(obviously I will be testing the gel before I use it)
Then the stunt performer approaches the burn site. At the burn site
the stunt gel is then applied to his head (i.e. all in his hair,
behind and in the ears, over the eye lashes and eye lids, etc). Then
the F/X specialist approaches and applies the accelerant to the
person's chosen body part. The accelerant is a combination of
ingredients, one of the ingredients being rubber cement. The stunt
performer then gives the specialist the thumbs up and holds his
breath. The specialist then lights up the performer. When the
performer brings to feel heat (usually after about 30 seconds) he
falls to the ground and his safties put him out.
The gel itself is water-soluble, being over 90% water. The ingredients
to this gel is a highly guarded secret by stunt performers in the
industry. It is supposed to be rather simple and inexpensive to make
though.
Uncle Al
>
> On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:11:30 GMT, Uncle Al <Uncl...@hate.spam.net>
> wrote:
>
> >>
> >Don't trust a generic formulation it to work until you test it.
>
> I designed a simple device to test out the effectiveness of any gel I
> use. It is a block of wood with a probe glued to it. The opposite end
> of the probe is attached to a temperature scanner. I cover the block
> of wood and probe in the gel, I put Nomex over that and some natural
> fiber type material (i.e. denim) over that. Then I put the accelerant
> on that (i.e. rubber cement being one of the ingredients for the
> accelerant); I haven't figured out the ingredients for the accelerant
> yet but this will let me experiment. I then light it up and record how
> long it takes before any heat makes it through the gel to the probe.
90% 2nd degree burns has a death rate of about 5% in a good burn
facility. Pulmonary burns start at 50% dead. Mind your lungs.
I have None
wrote:
>I have None wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:11:30 GMT, Uncle Al <Uncl...@hate.spam.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >Don't trust a generic formulation it to work until you test it.
>>
>> I designed a simple device to test out the effectiveness of any gel I
>> use. It is a block of wood with a probe glued to it. The opposite end
>> of the probe is attached to a temperature scanner. I cover the block
>> of wood and probe in the gel, I put Nomex over that and some natural
>> fiber type material (i.e. denim) over that. Then I put the accelerant
>> on that (i.e. rubber cement being one of the ingredients for the
>> accelerant); I haven't figured out the ingredients for the accelerant
>> yet but this will let me experiment. I then light it up and record how
>> long it takes before any heat makes it through the gel to the probe.
>
>90% 2nd degree burns has a death rate of about 5% in a good burn
>facility. Pulmonary burns start at 50% dead. Mind your lungs.
Well what do you recommend? I think this simple device will be quite
effective at measuring the effectiveness of the gel. It will certainly
tell me how long it takes before heat is transferred through the gel
to the probe.
I'm not simply taking the ingredients for gel and immediately smearing
it on my body and lighting myself on fire. In fact I am not even
making the gel, I have a chemist who is going to do that for me, but
he needs the ingredients.
And after testing out the gel my first body burn would be conducted on
my hand, and it would be covered in the gel and then a Nomex glove and
then a glove made of natural fibers. The Nomex glove would be dipped
in the gel and smoothed out to the contours of my hand so there are no
air pockets. The gel would also be put on ice before application. Your
breath is held during the duration of the fire burn and shortly after
you fall to the ground and are put out by three different safeties -
two equipped with CO (carbon) fire extinguishers and one guy with a
water hose. A fifth guy stands by with a soaked fire blanket in case
the performer panics and doesn't fall to the ground. The CO
extinguishers are intermittently applied to the body so the
performer's skin isn't damaged. The water hose is stuffed down the
performer's shirt and pants, etc. in case any air pockets were missed.
The stunt performer points to any areas where he might feel heat. The
water hose would be applied to those areas first.
I've seen the gel made. The guy was simply stirring some white powder
into water. He wasn't even measuring off the amounts. He stirred it up
using an electric drill. When I did my fire burn I felt no heat at
all. I did a v-back burn for about 30 seconds.
All I want to know is what is in the white powder. Is it simply a
thickening agent or is it composed of something more? And another
thing it is a hell of a lot safer if I learn the processes myself then
to rely on someone else's concoction. I have seen more stunt men then
I care to know get hurt that way. There is no criteria for being a
stunt coordinator and really no way to know if a stunt coordinator
knows his stuff beyond you knowing yours.
I also already know how to apply it correctly. As far as the mixing
goes that is why I am having chemist do it for me. Later on he will
show me how to mix it at the proper ratios.
If you could please supply me with the ingredients that would be
appreciated. I am not some yahoo looking to burn himself to death.
Please contact me at kerrim...@hotmail.com if you don't want to
post the information publicly.
Thanks for any help. Much appreciated.
I have None
Also here's what I know so far. Can anyone interject some more wisdom
on the matter?
Burn Jel
A therapeutic, nontoxic, water-soluble and biodegradable gel. The
primary ingredients of the gel are water and Tea Tree Oil and/or Tree
Tree Blend. A gum material or thickening agent is used to maintain the
water and Tea Tree Oil and/or Blend in a thickened or gel state. Other
ingredients are also provided for increasing shelf life and for
imparting bacteriostatic and penetrating properties.
The water based gel is comprised of about 80-98% water and about
0.1-20% by weight Tea Tree oil, a bacteriostatic agent and gum or
thickening agent.
The thickening agent produces a viscosity from about 1000 to about
12000 cps as measured using a Brookfield #3 spindle at 20 rpm. The
thickening agent is selected from the group consisting of Xanthan gum,
locust bean gum and guar gum. The Tea Tree Oil is used in an amount
between about 0.5 and 1.5% by weight of said water based gel. The
water based gel includes a preservative component. The preservative
component includes diazolidinyl urea, methylparaben and propylparaben.
The water based gel includes glycerin and a surfactant.
Tea Tree Oil is a natural oil obtained from Melaleuca Alternifolia, a
tree that grows on the north coastal areas of the state of New South
Wales and in southern Queensland, Australia. Principle active
constituents of tea tree oil are 1-terpinen-4-O1, terpinolene,
cineole, sesquiterpenes, p-cynene and pinene. Similar types of oils
are obtained from allied species of Melaleuca such as Melaleuca
lineariifolia and Melaleuca leucadendron. Tea Tree Oil and/or Tea Tree
Blend is sold by G. R. Davis Pty Ltd. Of Hornby, Australia.
In one preferred embodiment, ordinary tap water, purified water,
U.S.P. grade purified water, sterile water, halogenated water,
especially chlorinated water which is also known as bleach water or
chloropactin and mixture thereof are used. The water is used in an
amount between 80 and 998% by weight of solution. In a more preferred
embodiment, the amount of water is between about 90 and 97% by weight
of the solution.
A gum can be used as thickening agent to provide a gel of increased
viscosity. The function of the gum is to keep the water in place and
to provide a gel. Many types of gum can be used. Suitable gums
include, but are not limited to, Xanthan gum, locust bean gum, guar
gum and the like and mixtures thereof. Alginates, carrageenans and
polyacrylamides can also be included. In one especially preferred
embodiment of the invention, KELTROL.RTM. manufactured by Kelco
Company of Clark, N.J. KELGUM.RTM is a 50:50 mixture of Xanthan gum
and locust bean gum and KELSET.RTM. is 100% calcium alginate, a
gum-type material.
Other ingredients are also optionally included in the water based gel.
One such ingredient that can be used for providing smoothness and
emollient properties is glycerin. Glycerin can be used either alone or
in a solution of sorbitol or other physiologically safe polyhydroxy
compounds such as propylene glycol. Glycerin should be used in a
maximum of up to about 5% by weight and preferably between about 0.5
and 3%. Most preferably, glycerin is used in an amount of about 1%.
A surfactant or surface active agent can be used in a quantity
sufficient to maintain the emulsion (emulsion 1. a liquid mixture in
which a fatty or resinous substance is suspended in minute globules,
as butter in milk) . Preferred surfactants include octoxynol,
nonoxynol, alkarylpolyglycol esters, cocoaalkylomaide and amine
neutralized tridecylbenzene sulphonates. In a preferred embodiment,
the amount of surfactant is between 0.07 and 0.25% by weight,
preferably about 0.1%. Suitable surfactants include, but are not
limited to, SURFAX90.RTM. and octoxynol 9.
Additives such as Zephyrin chloride or other equivalent compounds can
be used to control infection. Suitable equivalent compounds can
include quaternary compounds such as benzalkonium compounds. Other
additives such as picloxydine, octyphenoxy polyethoxyethanol and
benzalkonium chloride are also desirable.
A liquid preservative such as PHENONIP.RTM. can also be included.
PHENONIP.RTM. is a mixture of phenoxyethanol, methylparaben,
lethylpareben, propylparaben and butylparaben. Such a preservative
should be used in an amount between about 0.125 and 0.35% by weight,
more preferably, between about 0.2 and 0.25%. +-.0.01%
Methylparaben is a bacteriostat and can be used as a preservative
either with or without PHENONIP.RTM.. Such a preservative can be used
in an amount between about 0.01 and 0.5%, more preferably about 0.25%.
In still another alternate embodiment, diazolidinyl urea or
imidazolidinyl urea II us included as a preservative. Imidazolidinyl
urea II is sold under the tradename GERMALL.RTM. II by Sutton
Laboratories, Inc. It has the molecular formula C.sub.8 H.sub.14
N.sub.4 O.sub.7 and the chemical name
N-(Hydroxymethyl-N-(1,3-dihydroxymethyl-2,5-dioxo-4-imidazolidinyl-N'-hydr
oxymethyl) Urea.
GERMALL.RTM. II is a useful preservative because it has a wide
spectrum of activity, particularly against troublesome house
microorganisms. It is active against gram negative bacteria such as
Pseudomonas as well as against yeast and mold. The urea is preferably
used in an amount between 0.1 and 0.35%. It can be used alone or in
combination with parabens.
Pre-mixed combinations of ingredients are also suitable. For example,
GERMABEN.RTM. manufactured by Sutton Laboratories, Inc. can be used as
a replacement for some or all of the parabens.
The gel or thickened aqueous solution can include Tea Tree Blend. Tea
Tree Blend is a mixture of terpenes and terpinols that are generally
naturally occurring, but can be synthetically l prepared. The terpene
and terpinol compounds can be obtained either as pure compounds
derived from the natural oils or as mixtures of components derived
from plants of Melaleuca alternifolia, Melaleuca lineariifolia,
Melaleuca leucadendron, Eucalyptus longirostris and closely related
species. In a preferred embodiment, Tea Tree Blend is a blend of tea
tree oil and certain distillate fractions of eucalyptus oil which
provides a product having characteristics similar to those of tea tree
oil and which can be used to extend the available supply of teat tree
oil.
The Tea Tree Blend itself is flammable and the Tea Tree Blend or tea
tree oil should be used in an amount of less than about 20% of the
burn treatment product. In an alternate embodiment of the invention,
Tea Tree Blend is used in combination with tea tree oil and the total
amount of Tea Tree Blend and/or tea tree oil is between about 0.1% and
20%. In a more preferred embodiment, the Tea Tree Blend, tea tree oil
or the mixture is used in an amount between 0.1 and 5.0%, more
preferably, between about 0.5 and 1.5%.
EXAMPLE 1
A particularly well suited gel has the following composition.
______________________________________
Ingredients Grade % w/w
______________________________________
Glycerin U.S.P. 1.0
Octoxynol 9 (TRITON X-100 .RTM.)
N.P. 0.1
Tea Tree Oil, Natural
-- 0.5
Propylene Glycol (and) Diazolidinyl
C.T.F.A. 1.0
Urea (and) Methylparaben (and)
Propylparaben (GERMABEN II .RTM.)
Xanthan Gum (KELTROL 1000 .RTM.)
N.F. 1.0
Purified Water U.S.P. 96.4
Total 100
______________________________________
The glycerin, octoxynol 9, tea tree oil and GERMABEN II were combined
in a pre-sanitized stainless steel container and mixed with a Lightnin
Mixer. The xanthan gum was added and a smooth slurry was formed. The
purified water was charged to a pre-sanitized batching tank equipped
with a Lightnin Mixer and sidesweep agitation. During constant
agitation, the slurry was incorporated and the ingredients were mixed
for at least one hour to yield a homogeneous lump free gel product.
The gel had the following characteristics:
______________________________________
1. Appearance A fluid but viscous
off-white gel, having
a characteristic odor.
2. pH 4.5-7.0
3. Specific Gravity
25.degree. C./25.degree. C.
0.97-1.02
4. Viscosity (cps) 1000-12000
Brookfield Model RVT,
spindle size #3, speed
20 r.p.m.
5. Total Parabens (%)
0.35 Range:
(Theoretical amount
0.315-0.385
.+-. 10% of Theoretical)
6. Diazolidinyl Urea (%)
0.3 Range:
0.23-0.33 (Theoretical amount
.+-. 10% of Theoretical)
7. Microbiological Limits Test
Less than 100 bacteria
and less than 100
molds per gram of
product
______________________________________
The off-white, translucent, smooth viscous gel product was added to
aluminum pouches containing dressing strips of non-woven Polyester
Staple to yield a burn dressing product. Polyester Staple is a family
of fiber products made from polyethylene terephthalate polymer.
Polyester Staple is typically not irritating to human skin but will
burn if exposed to flame. The pouches were then sealed and sterilized
by gamma radiation at 1.10 Mrad (minimum) to 1.70 Mrad (maximum).
EXAMPLE 3
The gel of Example 1 was altered to increase the Xanthan Gum to 1.25%
W/w and the purified water was decreased to 94.5% W/w. The resultant
gel had increased viscosity and improved adherence to the carrier. The
carrier was the 100% non-woven medical grade polyester fabric of
Example 2.
EXAMPLE 4
360 ml of glycerin (12.2 oz), 719 ml of SURFAX 90.RTM. (24.2 oz), 360
ml of Tea Tree Blend (12.2 oz) and 719 ml of GERMABEN.RTM. (24.2 oz)
were combined and mixed thoroughly. 719 g of KELTROL.RTM. (1.61 lbs)
was gradually added with stirring. The resulting liquid mixture was
added to 19.3 gallons of water and mixed thoroughly for about 15
minutes.
The product has a specific gravity of 0.968, a pH of 6.4 and remained
a gel at temperatures of greater than about 110.degree. F. The product
had a viscosity as measured using a Brookfield #3 spindle at 20 rpm of
2250 cps. The product tested positive for a surfactant, xanthan gum,
GERMABEN II.RTM., glycerin, Tea Tree Blend and KELTROL.RTM. even after
5 freeze/thaw cycles. No colonies were observed using a
microbiological Millipore test.
EXAMPLE 5
A gel was prepared as described in Example 4 except that 719 g of
KELSET.RTM. was substituted for the KELTROL.RTM..
The gel has a specific gravity of 0.99, a pH of 6.7 and remained a gel
at temperatures of greater than about 110.degree. F. The gel had a
viscosity as measured using a Brookfield #3 spindle at 20 rpm of 2500
cps. The gel tested positive for a surfactant, xanthan gum, GERMABEN
II.RTM., glycerin, Tea Tree Blend and KELTROL.RTM. even after 5
freeze, thaw cycles. No colonies were observed using a microbiological
Millipore test.
In general, an embodiment of the gel in accordance with the invention
conforms to the following description:
______________________________________
Appearance A fluid but viscous off-white
gel, having a characteristic
odor.
pH 4.5.-7.0
Specific gravity 25.degree. C./25.degree. C.
0.97-1.02
Viscosity (cps) 1000-12000
Brookfield Model RVT,
Spindle size #3,
Speed 20 rpm
Total parabens Between about 0.315 and 0.385%
Diazolidinyl Urea (5)
Between about 0.27 and 0.33%
Microbiological limits test
Less than 100 Bacteria and less
than 100 Molds per ml of
product.
Stability Over a wide temperature range.
______________________________________
A gel formed in accordance with the invention is used by direct
application to a burn wound. When the gel is provided with a carrier,
the entire carrier can be used to cover the burn. Debridement of the
wound prior to use of the burn treatment product is not necessary as
the dressing will actually aid in such debridement.
The burn care solution of the invention rapidly penetrates through
clothing and wets, cools and soothes a burn area. The burn area is
wet, cooled and soothed not only on the surface, but also beneath the
surface, thereby reducing progression of the area and the severity of
the burn. The burn dressing cools by heat transference and helps to
create an isothermic environment when severe and/or massive burns are
involved. In addition, the burn dressing helps reduce the possibility
of contamination by completely covering the burn wound and by helping
to block out air-born bacteria. Clothing and skin tissue do not adhere
to the burn dressing and when the dressing is removed, no additional
pain or skin damage is caused.
The burn dressing provided in accordance with the invention is
non-toxic, water soluble and retains its properties even after
extended storage. It is suitable for use with any type of burn,
including chemical burns. Furthermore, the method of using the product
is easy and painless.
It will thus be seen that the objects set forth above, among those
made apparent from the preceding description, are efficiently attained
and, since certain changes may be made in the above product without
departing from the spirit and the scope of the invention, it is
intended that all matter contained in the above description shall be
interpreted as illustrative and not in a limiting sense.
It is also to be understood that the following claims are intended to
cover all of the generic and specific features of the invention herein
described and all statements of the scope of the invention which, as a
matter of language, might be said to fall therebetween.
Particularly it is to be understood that in said claims, ingredients
or compounds recited in the singular are intended to include
compatible mixtures of such ingredients wherever the sense permits.
Colthechemist
> I went to the US patent website and was able to obtain some more
> information. The primar ingredients of the gel are water and Tea Tree
> Oil and/or Tea Tree Blend. A gum material or thickening agent is used
> to maintain the water and Tea Tree Oil and/or Blend in a thickened or
> gel state.
>
> If anyone can provide additional information that would be greatly
> appreciated. Thank you.
>
teatree oil 68647-73-4 1-5
emulsifiers <2
water 7732-18-5 >90
http://www.ryepharmaceuticals.com/burntech.htm
Uncle Al
[snip]
> Burn Jel
>
> A therapeutic, nontoxic, water-soluble and biodegradable gel. The
> primary ingredients of the gel are water and Tea Tree Oil and/or Tree
> Tree Blend. A gum material or thickening agent is used to maintain the
> water and Tea Tree Oil and/or Blend in a thickened or gel state. Other
> ingredients are also provided for increasing shelf life and for
> imparting bacteriostatic and penetrating properties.
>
> The water based gel is comprised of about 80-98% water and about
> 0.1-20% by weight Tea Tree oil, a bacteriostatic agent and gum or
> thickening agent.
The gelation agent is the only active ingredient point of sale.
Preservative if you are going to keep stuff around for a few days or
longer. The Tea Tree oil is excipient - scent - consisting mostly of
terpinen-4-ol, cyclic terpene hydrocarbons, and cineol (the smell of
eucalyptus cough drops), all of which are *flammable."
http://messybeast.com/teatree.htm
> The thickening agent produces a viscosity from about 1000 to about
> 12000 cps as measured using a Brookfield #3 spindle at 20 rpm. The
> thickening agent is selected from the group consisting of Xanthan gum,
> locust bean gum and guar gum. The Tea Tree Oil is used in an amount
> between about 0.5 and 1.5% by weight of said water based gel. The
> water based gel includes a preservative component. The preservative
> component includes diazolidinyl urea, methylparaben and propylparaben.
> The water based gel includes glycerin and a surfactant.
The big problem here is fisheyes - blobs of powder wetting and
swelling on the outside, which prevents the inside from seeing water
for huge lengths of time no matter how hard you stir it. Typically
one adds a soluble surface dust to prevent clumping or disperses in a
non-solvent, the slurry then being added to vigorously stirred water.
Surfactant in the water (e.g., a little Dawn dishwashing liquid) helps
here by very rapidly wetting the powder grains. Beware foaming wehn
you choose your surfactant and mixing conditions. Similarly,
confectioner's sugar is deagglomerated with a little added cornstarch
before packaging. You slurry cornstarch in a little wine (ethanol
being a non-solvent) before adding to hot juices with vigorous
stirring to make lumpless gravy.
> Tea Tree Oil is
misdiraction and proprietary this and taht. You may ignore it.
[snip]
> In one preferred embodiment, ordinary tap water, purified water,
> U.S.P. grade purified water, sterile water, halogenated water,
> especially chlorinated water which is also known as bleach water or
> chloropactin and mixture thereof are used.
Reasonably clean water.
> The water is used in an
> amount between 80 and 998% by weight of solution. In a more preferred
> embodiment, the amount of water is between about 90 and 97% by weight
> of the solution.
>
> A gum can be used as thickening agent to provide a gel of increased
> viscosity. The function of the gum is to keep the water in place and
> to provide a gel. Many types of gum can be used. Suitable gums
> include, but are not limited to, Xanthan gum, locust bean gum, guar
> gum and the like and mixtures thereof. Alginates, carrageenans and
> polyacrylamides can also be included.
Polyacrylamides may contain acrylamide monomer, which is a nasty
neurotoxin and carcinogen at ppm levels.
> In one especially preferred
> embodiment of the invention, KELTROL.RTM. manufactured by Kelco
> Company of Clark, N.J. KELGUM.RTM is a 50:50 mixture of Xanthan gum
> and locust bean gum and KELSET.RTM. is 100% calcium alginate, a
> gum-type material.
Caclium alginate is a dispersant.
> Other ingredients are also optionally included in the water based gel.
> One such ingredient that can be used for providing smoothness and
> emollient properties is glycerin. Glycerin can be used either alone or
> in a solution of sorbitol or other physiologically safe polyhydroxy
> compounds such as propylene glycol. Glycerin should be used in a
> maximum of up to about 5% by weight and preferably between about 0.5
> and 3%. Most preferably, glycerin is used in an amount of about 1%.
Dispersant.
> A surfactant or surface active agent can be used in a quantity
> sufficient to maintain the emulsion (emulsion 1. a liquid mixture in
> which a fatty or resinous substance is suspended in minute globules,
> as butter in milk) . Preferred surfactants include octoxynol,
> nonoxynol, alkarylpolyglycol esters, cocoaalkylomaide and amine
> neutralized tridecylbenzene sulphonates. In a preferred embodiment,
> the amount of surfactant is between 0.07 and 0.25% by weight,
> preferably about 0.1%. Suitable surfactants include, but are not
> limited to, SURFAX90.RTM. and octoxynol 9.
Beware foaming. This is addressed above.
> Additives such as Zephyrin chloride or other equivalent compounds can
> be used to control infection. Suitable equivalent compounds can
> include quaternary compounds such as benzalkonium compounds. Other
> additives such as picloxydine, octyphenoxy polyethoxyethanol and
> benzalkonium chloride are also desirable.
The more stuff you add, the greater the chance somebody will have an
adverse reaction. Save the first aid for after an accident.
> A liquid preservative such as PHENONIP.RTM. can also be included.
> PHENONIP.RTM. is a mixture of phenoxyethanol, methylparaben,
> lethylpareben, propylparaben and butylparaben. Such a preservative
> should be used in an amount between about 0.125 and 0.35% by weight,
> more preferably, between about 0.2 and 0.25%. +-.0.01%
Typical hand lotion or shampoo preservation package enumerated.
[snip]
Note that examples given typically are not optimum cases - for obvious
reasons.
[snip]
> A gel formed in accordance with the invention is used by direct
> application to a burn wound. When the gel is provided with a carrier,
> the entire carrier can be used to cover the burn. Debridement of the
> wound prior to use of the burn treatment product is not necessary as
> the dressing will actually aid in such debridement.
Don't diddle with burns - get to a doctor, fast. You get 45 minutes
grace before really bad things start to happen. Second (blisters) and
third (dead tissue) degree burns are serious even when of small area.
Large area (more than a few in^2) first degree burns also need medical
attention. If you get Pseudomonas infection even in a small burn
wound you can die; severe scarring is almost assured.
Burn treatment is specialized. The wounds should not be taken lightly
(e.g., treatment with silver sulfadiazole cream and daily maintenance
rather than a squirt of Bactine and forget about it).
[snop]
Richard J Kinch
> Burn treatment is specialized. The wounds should not be taken lightly
> (e.g., treatment with silver sulfadiazole cream and daily maintenance
> rather than a squirt of Bactine and forget about it).
I second this. One of my toddlers once played patty-cake on a hot griddle.
One giant 2nd degree burn on the palm. The silver saved him from pain and
from permanent damage.
The hardest part for me was getting the idiot pharmacist to fill the Rx
without making me wait in line behind all the retirees refilling their
maintenance meds. My angry-parent acting talents may have exceeded Samuel
L Jackson in _Changing Lanes_ (and he has a racial advantage). There are
ways to get retail clerks to snap to attention, without getting yourself
arrested, even the snooty ones on the pharmacy raised-floor.
Uncle Al
There are at least two brands of silver sulfadiazole cream. The cheap
stuff burns like a sonofabitch when it goes on. One then proceeds to
scream at the top of one's lungs until they fetch the expensive tub.
The nurses are reasonable; the doctors have to be convinced.
Nope
I appreciate the fact that you care so much about my safety, (yeah
right) but any generic formulation will be throughly tested before I
use it (if ever). I have done several fire burns and have never been
burned. Safety is always my first concern.
Anyway thank you to the people who actually contributed some useful
comments.
Colthechemist
Nope (I have None) wrote in message news:<3db0afcb....@binarykiller.newsfeeds.com>...
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:10:06 GMT, Nope (I have None) wrote:
>
> Also here's what I know so far. Can anyone interject some more wisdom
> on the matter?
>
> Burn Jel
>
> A therapeutic, nontoxic, water-soluble and biodegradable gel. etc
rest of patent snipped
Nope
wrote:
I just wanted to thank everybody that offered me advice on this
subject. I will be testing (not on me) my first batch of the
experimental gel soon and was wondering if anyone might be able to
interject with more advice when I do.
I will be conducting a number of tests on the gel and would certainly
appreciate more comments during that time. I will post the results of
the tests as I go along. I have already forwarded all the information
I have collected to the chemist and will be purchasing the necessary
components soon.
Some people expressed concerns mixing the stuff. If I have any
difficulties in this area then I will be skeptical that I am making
the gel correctly. I carefully watched the process that was involved
when they made the gel at stunt school. The instructor did not even
measure off the amounts of powder he was adding to the water. He
simply dumped bits of it in at a time. He stirred the contents of the
bucket using an electric drill. He had no troubles mixing the stuff.
The gel was used on over 45 people. Not a single person received a
burn. In fact I barely felt any heat at all during my fire burn, which
lasted approximately 30 seconds.
Anyway thanks for the out pouring of advice. It was greatly
appreciated.
Nope
wrote:
The patent number is 6,033,675 or 5,753,257. The first patent number
is the one I am referring to. It's date is the most recent - March 7,
2000. The company is Water-Jel Technologies, Inc.
