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Tristan Miller

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Mar 7, 2004, 11:00:50 AM3/7/04
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Greetings.

From my rudimentary chemistry training at university I know that antimatter
is composed of the antiparticles of those that constitute normal matter.
For example, instead of protons and electrons, antimatter has antiprotons
and antielectrons (positrons). Apparently scientists have been able to
produce limited quantities of antielements such as antihydrogen.

I wonder, then, what would the antimatter analogue of antimony be? Would
it be "antiantimony"? Or would it be simply "mony", on the principle that
two negatives cancel each other?

Regards,
Tristan

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Incredible Rhyme Animal

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Mar 7, 2004, 11:06:09 AM3/7/04
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Tristan Miller psych...@nothingisreal.com writes:

>Or would it be simply "mony", on the principle that
>two negatives cancel each other?
>

I hope you die soon

Jason Quick

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Mar 7, 2004, 12:16:10 PM3/7/04
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"Tristan Miller" <psych...@nothingisreal.com> wrote:

> I wonder, then, what would the antimatter analogue of antimony be? Would
> it be "antiantimony"? Or would it be simply "mony", on the principle that
> two negatives cancel each other?

It'd be "Mony Mony," on the principle that a cool old pop song will make you
quit worrying about all that shit and just dance.

Jason


hanson

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Mar 7, 2004, 1:07:37 PM3/7/04
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"Tristan Miller" <psych...@nothingisreal.com> wrote in message
news:2056303.D...@ID-187157.News.Individual.NET...
> I know that antihydrogen has antiprotons and antielectrons (positrons).
> I wonder, then, what would the antimatter analogue of
> antimony be? Would it be "antiantimony"? Or would it be simply
> "mony", on the principle that two negatives cancel each other?
> Tristan
>
Yo, Stan! Your are right. Antimony does this. It just does NOT do
it right (to disappear completely). But instead it turns only to dust.
The olden chemists knew that. That's why they called Antimony
Sb = Stibium ="Staib" or "Staub" in German which means "dust".
ahahahaha.....ahahahahanson

PS: Perhaps such Sb dust comes from the fan of cecil-adams?

Repeating Rifle

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Mar 7, 2004, 1:42:13 PM3/7/04
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in article 2056303.D...@ID-187157.News.Individual.NET, Tristan Miller
at psych...@nothingisreal.com wrote on 3/7/04 8:00 AM:

> Greetings.
>
> From my rudimentary chemistry training at university I know that antimatter
> is composed of the antiparticles of those that constitute normal matter.
> For example, instead of protons and electrons, antimatter has antiprotons
> and antielectrons (positrons). Apparently scientists have been able to
> produce limited quantities of antielements such as antihydrogen.
>
> I wonder, then, what would the antimatter analogue of antimony be? Would
> it be "antiantimony"? Or would it be simply "mony", on the principle that
> two negatives cancel each other?
>
> Regards,
> Tristan

It is anti stibnum according to its chemical symbol/

Bill

Nick Spalding

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Mar 7, 2004, 1:52:46 PM3/7/04
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Tristan Miller wrote, in
<2056303.D...@ID-187157.News.Individual.NET>:

> Greetings.
>
> From my rudimentary chemistry training at university I know that antimatter
> is composed of the antiparticles of those that constitute normal matter.
> For example, instead of protons and electrons, antimatter has antiprotons
> and antielectrons (positrons). Apparently scientists have been able to
> produce limited quantities of antielements such as antihydrogen.
>
> I wonder, then, what would the antimatter analogue of antimony be? Would
> it be "antiantimony"? Or would it be simply "mony", on the principle that
> two negatives cancel each other?

Whatever, its symbol would be Bs.
--
Nick Spalding

Mark Tarka

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Mar 7, 2004, 2:05:44 PM3/7/04
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> Greetings.
>
> From my rudimentary chemistry training at university I know that antimatter
> is composed of the antiparticles of those that constitute normal matter.
> For example, instead of protons and electrons, antimatter has antiprotons
> and antielectrons (positrons). Apparently scientists have been able to
> produce limited quantities of antielements such as antihydrogen.
>
> I wonder, then, what would the antimatter analogue of antimony be? Would
> it be "antiantimony"? Or would it be simply "mony", on the principle that
> two negatives cancel each other?

Antimony is,
What you say.
The stable anti-,
Where real is not.


Mark

Mohammed Farooq

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Mar 7, 2004, 2:37:40 PM3/7/04
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>

> I wonder, then, what would the antimatter analogue of antimony be? Would
> it be "antiantimony"? Or would it be simply "mony", on the principle that
> two negatives cancel each other?
>
> Regards,
> Tristan

Hanson wrote in a message

>Yo, Stan! Your are right. Antimony does this. It just does NOT do
>it right (to disappear completely). But instead it turns only to
dust.
>The olden chemists knew that. That's why they called Antimony
>Sb = Stibium ="Staib" or "Staub" in German which means "dust".
>ahahahaha.....ahahahahanson

Hanson,
Keeping in mind your interest in chemical etymology, many people might
disagree with what you have given as an explanation for the name
"stibium". First of all the Germans do not call it Stibium rather
Antimon, otherwise they would have loved to retain the name of an
element in their language, if it were derived from Staub. Is it your
wise guess or did you read it somehwhere?

One finds different origins from google search for the name stibium
-many trace it like "antimony - c.1425, from M.L. antimonium an
alchemist's term, origin obscure, probably a Latinization of Gk.
stimmi, from some Ar. word (cf. 'othmud) or ult. from Egyptian stm
"powdered antimony" (used to paint the eyelids). In folk etymology,
anti-moine "monk's bane." , then comes an interesting etymology of
alcohol- from Arabic al-kuhul "kohl," the fine metallic powder used
to darken the eyelids, and the word meant "powdered cosmetic" in Eng.
until the definition broadened (1672) to "any subliminated substance,"
then narrowed (1753) to "intoxicating ingredient in strong liquor."
Would Hanson believe that still oriental people use "antimony sulfide"
regularly as an eye-liner and consider it as a cure for many ocular
diseases.

hanson

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Mar 7, 2004, 4:12:09 PM3/7/04
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"Mohammed Farooq" <faro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:66756669.04030...@posting.google.com...

> Tristan Miller <psych...@nothingisreal.com> wrote in message
news:<2056303.D...@ID-187157.News.Individual.NET>...
> > I wonder, then, what would the antimatter analogue of antimony be? Would
> > it be "antiantimony"? Or would it be simply "mony", on the principle that
> > two negatives cancel each other?
> > Tristan
>
> Hanson wrote in a message
> >Yo, Stan! Your are right. Antimony does this. It just does NOT do
> >it right (to disappear completely). But instead it turns only to
> >dust.
> >The olden chemists knew that. That's why they called Antimony
> >Sb = Stibium ="Staib" or "Staub" in German which means "dust".
> >ahahahaha.....ahahahahanson
>
> Hanson,
> Keeping in mind your interest in chemical etymology, many people might
> disagree with what you have given as an explanation for the name
> "stibium". First of all the Germans do not call it Stibium rather
> Antimon, otherwise they would have loved to retain the name of an
> element in their language, if it were derived from Staub. Is it your
> wise guess or did you read it somehwhere?
>

Farooq!, Smile once in a while! When hanson says something it does
not mean that it is written in stone *, in particular when my posts end
with "ahahahaha.....ahahahahanson". Whenever you see that terminus,
grin and look for "the nigger in the wood pile". I am not posting for
(self) educational purposes. I do this for the sake of entertaining
myself and the crew. Our stuff originates from 35-45K ft up, from
god knows where, and then goes over various relays into earthlink
from where it gets posted to the web.

*= I myself do not believe things, even
if they ARE written in stone.....ahahahaha..


> One finds different origins from google search for the name stibium
> -many trace it like "antimony - c.1425, from M.L. antimonium an
> alchemist's term, origin obscure, probably a Latinization of Gk.
> stimmi, from some Ar. word (cf. 'othmud) or ult. from Egyptian stm
> "powdered antimony" (used to paint the eyelids). In folk etymology,
> anti-moine "monk's bane." , then comes an interesting etymology of
> alcohol- from Arabic al-kuhul "kohl," the fine metallic powder used
> to darken the eyelids, and the word meant "powdered cosmetic" in Eng.
> until the definition broadened (1672) to "any subliminated substance,"
> then narrowed (1753) to "intoxicating ingredient in strong liquor."

Excellent! Good show, Farooq! Thanks!

> Would Hanson believe that still oriental people use "antimony sulfide"
> regularly as an eye-liner and consider it as a cure for many ocular
> diseases.

Oh, yes, hanson does believe that, Fraooq. Furthermore, Sb/Antimony
preparations were sold successfully in western societies until the 1950/60's
(perhaps still today in alternative med pharmacies) for uses far wider
than cosmetics.
== K-Sb-tartrate as vinum stibiatum, or Sb2S3, Sb2S5 in
their yellow/red or grey/black forms, all as nauseosa, to induce vomiting,
for therapy in human and animals.
== Lithium-antimony thiomalonate, Na-antimonly gluconate, NeoStibosan
Stibophen were/are used to treat Leishmanosis, Bilharzosis or Filariosis.

This all might sound strange today, but remember Farooq, medical
doctors do NOT heal you, they just PRACTICE medicine on you. "If this
pill ain't work'en...then stop with ... and try this one".....Drs. orders....
Their specialized brethren, the surgeons are nothing more then
educated butchers. Of course you won't believe this (and I don't care)
but in the early 70's ALL doctors in the SoCal region went on strike
for 4 or 6 months. Orderlies and nurses carried on. The patient death
rate fell by a whopping 90% during that strike. When the Drs. returned,
the death rate went immediately back up , ASA they resumed with
their legalized killing spree. There's a lot of Mengeles' around, Fraooq.
Don't be a git, but git it git it git..........ahahahahaha......ahahahaha..
ahahahaha......ahahahahanson

Lasse Murtomäki

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Mar 8, 2004, 2:28:11 AM3/8/04
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In alchemistry all th elements had their counter-parts in the sky. Gold was
paired with the sun etc. The moon was the counterpart of antimon: anti-moon.
The idea was related to the manufacture of gold. It was believed that the
moon somehow interacted with the process, separating gold from the reaction
mixture. Therefore, Sb was added into the soup. I learnt this from my
inorganic chemistry professor, who has the history of chemistry as a hobby.

It has to be remembered that only rather few elements were known in the
medieval time, As, Sb and Bi among the first ones.
--
Dr. Lasse Murtomäki
Helsinki University of Technology
lasse.m...@hut.fi


William David Thweatt

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Mar 8, 2004, 11:20:26 AM3/8/04
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Tristan Miller (psych...@nothingisreal.com) wrote:
: Greetings.

: From my rudimentary chemistry training at university I know that antimatter
: is composed of the antiparticles of those that constitute normal matter.
: For example, instead of protons and electrons, antimatter has antiprotons
: and antielectrons (positrons). Apparently scientists have been able to
: produce limited quantities of antielements such as antihydrogen.

: I wonder, then, what would the antimatter analogue of antimony be? Would
: it be "antiantimony"? Or would it be simply "mony", on the principle that
: two negatives cancel each other?

It is called "alimony" and is highly dangerous. It annihilates any mony
in your bank account while releasing a tremendous amount of negative
energy. It should be avoided at all cost...

--
--
William "Dave" Thweatt
Robert E. Welch Postdoctoral Fellow
Chemistry Department
Rice University
Houston, TX
thw...@ruf.rice.edu
dave.t...@us.army.mil

Synthon

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Mar 8, 2004, 1:14:28 PM3/8/04
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"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message news:<JxJ2c.596$Cm3...@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>...

With all the discussion of theoretical matter/technology that has
been shown could exist due to recent lab work (i.e. antihydrogen) but
is far beyond our current skills (i.e. Anti-antimony), does anyone
know of a webpage/resource in which futurists predict the approx. time
of anticipated discoveries.
I know such things are often quite inaccurate. For instance we
should all be taking rocketpacks to work and vacationing on Mars in
this unthinkable year 2004, but such speculation is often interesting
to imagine.

-Synthon

Oscar Lanzi III

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Mar 8, 2004, 10:32:23 PM3/8/04
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"Anti" in "antimony" is not the same as "anti" in "antimatter." It's
just spelled the same. Thus "antiantimony" makes perfect sense. But
maybe "antistibium" is easier to pronounce.

--OL

Repeating Rifle

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Mar 9, 2004, 1:21:31 AM3/9/04
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in article 3328-404...@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net, Oscar Lanzi III
at o...@webtv.net wrote on 3/8/04 7:32 PM:

You take these posts too seriously.

Bill

hanson

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Mar 9, 2004, 2:32:13 AM3/9/04
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"Repeating Rifle" <Salm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Bill, phantastic! But one only get's to realize what's
really import when.......you get the drift, my friend.
Been there, myself......I wish you all the best, man!
take care,
hanson

Tristan Miller

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Mar 9, 2004, 4:29:58 AM3/9/04
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Greetings.

In article <3328-404...@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>, Oscar Lanzi


III wrote:
> "Anti" in "antimony" is not the same as "anti" in "antimatter." It's
> just spelled the same.

Merriam-Webster disagrees with you. According to it, the "anti-" in
"antimony" is indeed the same morpheme as that in "antimatter".
"Antimony" means "not alone" by their etymology.

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