OT: TO down again

[jillery]

My impression is DIG is working on Beagle again. So you can expect
visitors to drop by, both welcome and unwelcome.

[Mario Petrinovic]

On 12.11.2020. 20:52, jillery wrote:
> My impression is DIG is working on Beagle again. So you can expect
> visitors to drop by, both welcome and unwelcome.
>

Any Jew?

[jillery]

Now that's a level of stupidity I haven't seen in a long time.

[erik simpson]

Now, now. He may just be channeling his inner Borat. Or maybe not...

[Daud Deden]

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 2:52:59 PM UTC-5, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
> My impression is DIG is working on Beagle again. So you can expect
> visitors to drop by, both welcome and unwelcome.

I don't know about that. But today I can't access the usual Classic googlegroups, only the New googlegroups (which suck).

[John Harshman]

Remember: he's not a Nazi, just a Croatian fascist anti-Semite who
thinks that muslims should be put into death camps.

[erik simpson]

The threatened transition to NGG has taken place. And yes, it sucks.

[Mario Petrinovic]

Hm, you must be a Jew.

[*Hemidactylus*]

We don’t get much of that in t.o.

[Daud Deden]

Thanks for the confirmation. I am thinking of ending all my google group memberships. There must be a more user-friendly platform.

[*Hemidactylus*]

I guess we missed out on our typical welcome wagon treatment by ‘you know
who’ so far this time around. He must be talking his still nursing grudge
puppies to the vet to determine why they haven’t weaned after two decades.

[*Hemidactylus*]

Have you tried the traditional newsserver-reader approach? I’m typing this
on an iphone unencumbered by the Google Groups abomination. I did see their
mobile interface recently underwent cosmetic surgery.

[*Hemidactylus*]

jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My impression is DIG is working on Beagle again. So you can expect
> visitors to drop by, both welcome and unwelcome.
>

There are some locals here who aren’t quite polishing the optics of this
group as a whole so your presence is quite an improvement.

[Daud Deden]

I have never once been able to use any newsserver-reader in any useful manner, on phone or computer. I think that was a fashion years before I started using GG.

[jillery]

On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 16:18:19 -0800 (PST), Daud Deden

I don't know the specifics of your problems, but consider using a
standard Usenet app with aioe.org. If a limit of 40 posts a day
doesn't cramp your style, ISTM that would be easiest substitute for
GG.

[nyik...@gmail.com]

You are indulging in a gross falsehood. And the first Glenn post to this thread,
made in direct reply to you, the one you "don't see
because you don't want to see it," made that crystal clear, along
with Mario's reply to it.

The word "death camps" is your sick invention, due to you being
brainwashed into thinking that the words "Arbeit macht frei" HAVE
to be referring to the words in the gates to Nazi death camps,
even if uttered by someone coming from a completely different
background than yourself.


Peter Nyikos

[John Harshman]

So you're going to ignore his obsession with Jews? And you think putting
muslims into labor camps is just fine as long as they aren't death
camps? You sure are bending over backwards not to notice what Mario is.

[Mario Petrinovic]

I know what *you* are, an idiot:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8938455/Austria-make-criminal-offence-spread-political-Islam-Vienna-terror-attack.html

[Mario Petrinovic]

And guess what, Austria is also investigating people who failed to
react on a terrorist threat, people like you.

[Oxyaena]

Peter is a fascist enabler, he doesn't give a shit whether or not
someone is an actual fascist, they're his political kin.

[nyik...@gmail.com]

John is completely ignoring the back and forth between us, Mario. All the above are
wild guesses based on that, and completely off base. Nobody should take them seriously,
but the odds are that ALL of the following are eating it up: Oxyaena, jillery, Hemidactylus, and Erik Simpson.

> I know what *you* are, an idiot:
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8938455/Austria-make-criminal-offence-spread-political-Islam-Vienna-terror-attack.html

Harshman ignores what urls say-- he's admitted that on another thread, where paleotology
is being discussed. So it's a safe bet that he'll keep his head in the sand about what you've linked.

But Oxyaena is worse than Harshman: she might be sympathetic to the terrorists.

Here is something I tried to post in reply to her after talk.origins went down,
and which suggests that:

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:25:25 AM UTC-5, Oxyaena wrote:
> On 11/11/2020 10:12 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> [snip idiocy]
> >
> >>>> Trump kissed Putin's
> >>>> backside so often, I wouldn't be surprised if it's orange.
> >
> > Nothing I've heard can equal Obama's kissing of Morsi's backside
> > when he threatened sanctions against Egypt if a democratic election
> > wasn't held in short order after Morsi was deposed.

While Morsi was in power, polls showed that a supermajority of respondents
were in favor of ending the peace treaty with Israel. So Obama may
have had ulterior motives for both the threat of sanctions and the following policy:

> > Obama also kissed the backside of the leaders of Hamas, Hezbollah,
> > etc when he showed his desire to have Israel return to its 1967 borders.


Unable to deal with the above, you indulged in something which you have
publicly attacked me for -- whataboutism:

> Israel is an active apartheid state illegally occupying the Palestinian
> Territories.

Those territories were taken, partly by what used to be called "Trans-Jordan"
and which became "Jordan" on annexing most of what is now called "the West Bank,"
and partly by Israel, in the wake of the 1949 war which was declared on Israel
simultaneously by several Muslim countries.

Whether it was "legal" for Israel and Trans-Jordan to take them in 1949, is something that
needs to be addressed before pronouncing the territorial gains from the 1967 war
to be illegal. Of those gains, only the part taken from Jordan, and the Golan heights, remain.


> Piss off with your shit.

Says someone who shows no sign of comprehending what pro-Palestinean propaganda
is actually calling "illegal".


> >
> > By the way, Jillery, what backsides do you think Trump kissed when
> > he brokered peace treaties between Israel and UAE, Bahrain, and, most
> > recently, Sudan?

> Peace treaties that conveniently leave the Palestinians out on the wind.

By the choice of the Palestineans themselves, of whom the majority responding to
a poll, will not be satisfied until all of Israel is under Muslim domination
"from the [Jordan] river to the sea".


>
> [snip idiocy]

You are kissing jillery's backside with that comment, as is plain to
anyone who takes the trouble to scroll back up and read about the
unpleasant statements about jillery that neither jillery nor you can refute.


And so, you are continuing to stay in touch with your Inner Thrinaxodon.


Peter Nyikos

============================ end of "failed post"====================

[nyik...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 2:52:59 PM UTC-5, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:

> My impression is DIG is working on Beagle again.

It's back up, but I expect you to go on lurking or even posting here,
and your vague generality that comes next deserves an in-depth comment.

> So you can expect
> visitors to drop by, both welcome and unwelcome.

The only "unwelcome" visitor, from Erik's POV, is Glenn. [Dale is too much of a nonentity
to bother with.] It's obvious from your subsequent behavior, and his, that he has
welcomed you with open arms. And Oxyaena must be thrilled to have you with us.

I'm sure Harshman doesn't mind either. And nobody's complained about
Hemidactylus's presence here, either.

And so, in his Nov. 5 thread, simulating contempt for "invaders" whom he dared not name,
and feigining anger at me for having "invited" the lot of you, Erik illustrated the behavior
that has earned for him the superlative based on about seven years with talk.origins:

The most disingenuously dishonest regular in talk.origins

And he also holds that distinction in sci.bio.paleontology, but only due to behavior
since early 2018. John Harshman is a strong competitor for that superlative,
but Oxyaena isn't even an also-ran: her superlative is in another direction, as
is Harshman's.

Peter Nyikos

[*Hemidactylus*]

I bowed out after reading stuff like “Jews live on other nations like
parasites.” and “Before Hitler did what he did, Jews never considered to
have their own country, because they lived so well sucking blood from other
organism.”

Why you would wish to continue conversing with him given language
productions like that is beyond me.

[crap snip]

[Mario Petrinovic]

It is alright with me, no problem here.

>> I know what *you* are, an idiot:
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8938455/Austria-make-criminal-offence-spread-political-Islam-Vienna-terror-attack.html
>
> Harshman ignores what urls say-- he's admitted that on another thread, where paleotology
> is being discussed. So it's a safe bet that he'll keep his head in the sand about what you've linked.
>
> But Oxyaena is worse than Harshman: she might be sympathetic to the terrorists.

This is also alright with me.

Thanks.

[John Harshman]

"The enemy of my enemy...", perhaps?

[Mario Petrinovic]

Are you a Jew?

[nyik...@gmail.com]

Don't try to put yourself in the same boat as Hemidactylus: I see no sign that
Mario views him as an enemy. And the enmity between you and Mario may
go back to the "oasis of civilization" between you and me and Erik,
while you came down hard on newcomers who seemed to be ignorant
of basic biology and paleontology. In contrast, I have ALWAYS welcomed
newcomers unless, like Thrinaxodon, the had already established themselves
as despicable characters in other newsgroups.

Mario and Daud came on board almost simultaneously, and I welcomed them
both even though they were extremely naive about paleontology and even biology
in general. I think they are both teachable, unlike closed-minded fanatics such
as Hemidactylus and yourself have shown yourselves to be hundreds of times over.
Daud has shown that my confidence in him was not misplaced, and I hope
some day I can say the same about Mario.


Neither you nor your buddy Hemi, whom Erik dared not name as an "unwelcome
visitor," seem to have any idea how people with tremendously diverse political
opinions can have any respect for each other.

Mario is the unfortunate victim of an amazing amount of propaganda,
going back to childhood, and a dysfunctional family, and all kinds of
biased news sources even today. Perhaps the three of you (I include Erik)
are in the same boat.

In any event, it will take a long time for me to help Mario deal with these
circumstances: for instance, for me to help him separate his views of the Vatican
from the historical accident that most Catholics still vote predominantly
Democratic.

Given enough time, I think I can help Mario get over his misconceptions,
and even ameliorate his prejudices against Jews and Muslims.


Peter Nyikos

[nyik...@gmail.com]

John Harshman is a convinced atheist, and I don't see the point in
you asking questions like these. You don't seem to realize how leftists like Harshman
are a mishmash of inconsistent attitudes: on the one hand, they are militant
supporters of special privileges for gays and "transgenders", and are probably
fully aware of Islam's attitude towards such "deviants" [sodomites are sometimes
given the death penalty, for instance] ...BUT...

...they are also very vocal in denouncing "Islamophobia" while changing the
subject where pro-Palestinean terrorists are the topic.

You have also run afoul of another trait of theirs: assuming that anyone who has
anything to say about Hitler that falls short of complete demonization must secretly
harbor sympathies for Nazism. Of course, Harshman dare not be caught treating
Stalin as being anywhere near as evil as Hitler. It all comes with the brainwashing
he has been subjected to by leftist sources like the New York Times, which he has been
brainwashed into thinking as a moderate, centrist newspaper.


Peter Nyikos

[*Hemidactylus*]

I think he was asking me. Yet that question gave you little pause
regardless.

[erik simpson]

As you know, Peter thinks jillery is multiple people. On the other hand, I believe he
thinks some of us are the same person. Only the Shadow knows for sure.

[*Hemidactylus*]

And funny thing to toot my own horn is that I’m pretty damn critical of
Revisionist Zionism, a serious distinction that may throw people on both
sides of that polemical conflict for a loop. I leave it as an exercise for
anyone so inclined to educate themselves on that early split in the Zionist
movement, not that Herzl’s brainchild is itself a bad word or not
understandable given the Dreyfus Affair and Tsarist forgery of the
Protocols.

[John Harshman]

Well, he does regularly call me an idiot, and he has several times asked
whether I'm a Jew. Would that count as a sign?

> And the enmity between you and Mario may
> go back to the "oasis of civilization" between you and me and Erik,
> while you came down hard on newcomers who seemed to be ignorant
> of basic biology and paleontology. In contrast, I have ALWAYS welcomed
> newcomers unless, like Thrinaxodon, the had already established themselves
> as despicable characters in other newsgroups.
>
> Mario and Daud came on board almost simultaneously, and I welcomed them
> both even though they were extremely naive about paleontology and even biology
> in general. I think they are both teachable, unlike closed-minded fanatics such
> as Hemidactylus and yourself have shown yourselves to be hundreds of times over.
> Daud has shown that my confidence in him was not misplaced, and I hope
> some day I can say the same about Mario.

We differ on that question. I don't think either of them is teachable,
though Mario is clearly the crazier of the two. I love how you manage to
slip a gratuitous insult to me in the middle of that paragraph.

> Neither you nor your buddy Hemi, whom Erik dared not name as an "unwelcome
> visitor," seem to have any idea how people with tremendously diverse political
> opinions can have any respect for each other.

By "tremendously diverse" do you refer to Croatian fascists?

> Mario is the unfortunate victim of an amazing amount of propaganda,
> going back to childhood, and a dysfunctional family, and all kinds of
> biased news sources even today. Perhaps the three of you (I include Erik)
> are in the same boat.
>
> In any event, it will take a long time for me to help Mario deal with these
> circumstances: for instance, for me to help him separate his views of the Vatican
> from the historical accident that most Catholics still vote predominantly
> Democratic.
>
> Given enough time, I think I can help Mario get over his misconceptions,
> and even ameliorate his prejudices against Jews and Muslims.

Progress: you have acknowledged his anti-Semitism.

[John Harshman]

Please stop explaining my views, of which you have no information or
understanding.

> ...they are also very vocal in denouncing "Islamophobia" while changing the
> subject where pro-Palestinean terrorists are the topic.
>
> You have also run afoul of another trait of theirs: assuming that anyone who has
> anything to say about Hitler that falls short of complete demonization must secretly
> harbor sympathies for Nazism. Of course, Harshman dare not be caught treating
> Stalin as being anywhere near as evil as Hitler.

Where would you get that idea? Of course Stalin was as evil as Hitler,
though it's difficult to quantify. Let's just say they were both really
nasty. Hope that clears up at least a little bit of your confusion,
though it's probably a hope in vain, since this is the second time I've
corrected you on the point.

Incidentally, did you ever see The Death of Stalin? Great movie. Steve
Buscemi as Khrushchev: priceless.

> It all comes with the brainwashing
> he has been subjected to by leftist sources like the New York Times, which he has been
> brainwashed into thinking as a moderate, centrist newspaper.

I see why North Carolina went for Trump. The NYT, leftist? Fake news?
That's just insane. So, now that Fox News has betrayed Trump, where will
you get your news from?

[Mario Petrinovic]

On 13.11.2020. 20:46, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:
> Given enough time, I think I can help Mario get over his misconceptions,
> and even ameliorate his prejudices against Jews and Muslims.
>

Oops, sorry for the private mail:
How do you think that I get over misconceptions about any group
of people? Group of people exists because of a conception.
I don't understand, what do you think is a Jew conception, if I
have a misconception? Or, a Muslim conception?

[Mario Petrinovic]

And exactly this is why I ask this question. If he thinks that I am a
Nazi because I said that and that, so I ask him if he is a Jew because
he said that and that. What's so wrong with that? If this is wrong,
well, then his behaving is much wronger.
Mind you, he claims that I am a Nazi, he didn't ask me, instead, if I
am a Nazi. I did what manners and logic tells me, he behaved like a
fool. And he accuses me of something.

[nyik...@gmail.com]

Partly, his behavior doesn't naturally incline me to think he
is a Jew. He may not even think well of Jews, but he knows what a
powerful debating tactic it is to accuse others of being prejudiced
against Jews. Harshman isn't interested in truth; he is interested
in winning debates.

This particular case is even worse for you. There is an old saying to keep in mind:
"One man's meat is another man's poison." Asking you whether you were
a Nazi is "meat" for Harshman because it puts others on alert to scrutinize your
answer. But asking John whether he is a Jew only makes other people, who
have been similarly brainwashed, think his suspicions of you being a Nazi sympathizer
are well founded. Hence it is "poison" for you.

Let me explain further. You are the only person here who
hasn't learned how disastrous it is to say anything favorable to Nazis
in forums dominated by Westerners. It makes people who may otherwise
be sympathetic towards you shy away from helping you, lest they come
under fire from the people attacking you.

I am one of the very few people who has the courage
to help you despite the attacks that are almost inevitable
from Harshman and four other allies of his who are active on this thread.
You can see from the above comments how Hemidacylus that he has followed
Harshman's lead in this.

Ask yourself: why hasn't Daud said anything on behalf on this thread,
if only to ameliorate their attacks on you? Could it be because, perhaps,
he shares this same demonization of anything to do with Nazis? Or simply
that he is unwilling to face the same fire that I am being subjected to?

Some time, when I am not so short of time, I'll tell you of another "meat" tactic of
John's that turned out to be poison for me -- and this was where I did the same
identical thing to him that he did to me, not just something similar like you did.
I'm just mentioning this to let you know how bad a strategy it is to think the way
you did.

> If this is wrong,
> well, then his behaving is much wronger.
> Mind you, he claims that I am a Nazi,

Could you quote his exact words? You may be misinterpreting something he wrote.


> He didn't ask me, instead, if I

> am a Nazi. I did what manners and logic tells me, he behaved like a
> fool. And he accuses me of something.

Harshman doesn't mind being thought by you or even me to be a fool. He has the
might of allies on his side, and his behavior is very much that
of a believer in "might makes right." That is true of Hemidactylus,
Oxyaena, jillery, and Simpson as well. I know that from close to a
decade of observing them both here and in talk.origins.


Peter Nyikos

[Mario Petrinovic]

Ok, I'll try to be slow with this one, because it really is, a sort
of, pretty delicate matter.
To answer this part, isn't all this the problem of the brainwashed,
not mine?
BTW, I don't have the slightest problem discussing this. See, they are
even refusing to discuss this, so, I am a winner without even an effort.
I don't have nothing to worry about at all. I can shout loud, day and
night, my things, and I'll be the only one in this discussion, I can,
literally, do whatever I want, lol.
Don't you see, their "meat" is that they manage to shut the mouth of
the opposition to their rotten views. And they are succeeding in it. But
not with me, lol.

> Let me explain further. You are the only person here who
> hasn't learned how disastrous it is to say anything favorable to Nazis
> in forums dominated by Westerners. It makes people who may otherwise
> be sympathetic towards you shy away from helping you, lest they come
> under fire from the people attacking you.

Here, you are not quite right. Probably it is *very* disastrous to say
anything favorable about Nazis on the West, but trust me, the communist
ideology is founded on anti-Nazi propaganda. Here you can even be jailed
for those words. You don't know how many friends and girl-friends I have
lost because I've been pro-capitalist, pro-West. For them, whole West is
Nazi. A lot of Croats are absolutely sure that in America it is a
fascism. To say anything good for Nazism is far more worse than in the West.
Trust me, I have enormous experience discussing this. I know *exactly*
what is going on, I went through this numerous times, all the way from
the beginning to the end, I have everything under control, nothing that
they said or done was a surprise for me, I knew all this right from the
very beginning. You absolutely don't have to explain me anything. Maybe
you could watch, and learn something.

> I am one of the very few people who has the courage
> to help you despite the attacks that are almost inevitable
> from Harshman and four other allies of his who are active on this thread.
> You can see from the above comments how Hemidacylus that he has followed
> Harshman's lead in this.
>
> Ask yourself: why hasn't Daud said anything on behalf on this thread,
> if only to ameliorate their attacks on you? Could it be because, perhaps,
> he shares this same demonization of anything to do with Nazis? Or simply
> that he is unwilling to face the same fire that I am being subjected to?

No, he shares the same attitude as the rest, but, as I explained
above, I already had a discussion about this with him. So, there is
nothing further to discuss, :) .

> Some time, when I am not so short of time, I'll tell you of another "meat" tactic of
> John's that turned out to be poison for me -- and this was where I did the same
> identical thing to him that he did to me, not just something similar like you did.
> I'm just mentioning this to let you know how bad a strategy it is to think the way
> you did.
>
>> If this is wrong,
>> well, then his behaving is much wronger.
>> Mind you, he claims that I am a Nazi,
>
> Could you quote his exact words? You may be misinterpreting something he wrote.

I may misinterpret anything, I am not perfect, it happens all the
time. I do mistakes, and I live with my mistakes. Life isn't a rose
garden (or, it is?, lol). I say that he claims that I am a Nazi,
misinterpreted it, or not.

>> He didn't ask me, instead, if I
>> am a Nazi. I did what manners and logic tells me, he behaved like a
>> fool. And he accuses me of something.
>
> Harshman doesn't mind being thought by you or even me to be a fool. He has the
> might of allies on his side, and his behavior is very much that
> of a believer in "might makes right." That is true of Hemidactylus,
> Oxyaena, jillery, and Simpson as well. I know that from close to a
> decade of observing them both here and in talk.origins.
>

That's alright with me. Thanks, :) .

[Daud Deden]

1 I ignore PN on politics
2 I ignore MP on religion
3 Claims about me are always exaggerated, don't believe them.

[Mario Petrinovic]

On 14.11.2020. 5:20, Daud Deden wrote:
> 3 Claims about me are always exaggerated, don't believe them.
>

Happens to everybody, DD, ;) .

[Mario Petrinovic]

On 14.11.2020. 5:06, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> You don't know how many friends and
> girl-friends I have lost because I've been pro-capitalist, pro-West. For
> them, whole West is Nazi. A lot of Croats are absolutely sure that in
> America it is a fascism. To say anything good for Nazism is far more
> worse than in the West.

And trust me, it was me who went through life successfully, all those
fools went south, and this means, *very* south, it is them whose life
was disastrous. And that, despite that the system actually worked in
their favor, and against me.
And exactly this is "the name of the game". To get rid of all those
fools, get this burden off of my back. To have those fools as friend is
like to have chain around your legs. No, the "strength" *isn't* in
numbers. It is in logic. He who isn't logical, he doesn't exist. And
this really is true.

[Mario Petrinovic]

And do you know *why* their life went south? Because they were
convinced in things that weren't logical. Of course I didn't go their
way. I am too smart for that.

[Mario Petrinovic]

And they were convinced in those things because they didn't think with
their own heads, they just followed the stupid majority.
And yes, I am very democratic, I will die for the majority, which I
did, and which I am doing. It is not my fault that the majority isn't
convinced in that. But this is the truth. And things slowly, but
certainly, go my way.

[Mario Petrinovic]

Remember that idiot who was absolutely convinced that elections in the
US are not won in courts. Well, guess what, actually elections in
Croatia don't have to be set up, because brains of people are pre-washed:
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-54917997
And now, imagine if this, not very smart, guy is my friend. I would
have to carry with my life all of his stupidity. No, thanks.

[Mario Petrinovic]

Lol, what is the most interesting in this story, how much I don't like
stupidity, but in the same time I am very good person, I don't like to
show people the doors. So, I simply lay down cards onto which they
should react as a decent human beings. It is on them, not on me. And
then real losers legitimate themselves, and show me the doors. And
everybody is happy, believe me.
I've been in such situation for whole my life, and during time I
became real expert in this game. And this discussion is such a prime
example of that, :) .

[Mario Petrinovic]

Actually, this is such a good discussion, such a tale-telling.
I am telling the guy, hey, Jews will screw you up, hey, Muslims will
cut your throat. They will blow your kids with explosives. But, the guy
simply doesn't believe me. He is accusing *me*. For what? For my good
intentions? I am trying to help him, trying to save his life, the life
of his kids. And how he is reacting to this?
Jesus Christ.

[Mario Petrinovic]

This reminds me on those stupid left-wing teenagers, who were
preaching that all people are good, and went camping to Morocco. And
they ended up with their throat cut. And their parents, who taught them
about the life, are now in black. Well, guess what, I will not go
camping to Morocco. Nor would my kids go.

[Mario Petrinovic]

And then people start to run away from me (from me, who only has good
intentions for them), and stand behind him, whose only intention is to
make society in which state will take control of their wallets and their
lives. Now, what to say on all this. Well, I don't want to be in their
company, this is what I can say about this situation:
https://youtu.be/vtx5NTxebJk

[Oxyaena]

On 11/13/2020 3:31 PM, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> ...they are also very vocal in denouncing "Islamophobia" while changing the
> subject where pro-Palestinean terrorists are the topic.

Pro-Palestinian terrorists? For every one Israeli death there are a
thousand Palestinian deaths. Israel is guilty of crimes against humanity.

>
> You have also run afoul of another trait of theirs: assuming that anyone who has
> anything to say about Hitler that falls short of complete demonization must secretly
> harbor sympathies for Nazism. Of course, Harshman dare not be caught treating
> Stalin as being anywhere near as evil as Hitler. It all comes with the brainwashing
> he has been subjected to by leftist sources like the New York Times, which he has been
> brainwashed into thinking as a moderate, centrist newspaper.

Okay Nazi.

>
>
> Peter Nyikos
>

[Mario Petrinovic]

See, Peter, how this is simple and foolish. You want to tie your
destiny with such people? This cannot end up in any smart way.

[Mario Petrinovic]

https://youtu.be/z8LmMtScH3g

[Mario Petrinovic]

BTW, I just heard, Biden is a Catholic. Jesus Christ, the last (and
the only) one you had to kill before the end of term. The first thing he
did (the descendant of Mafia family) is to appoint his brother at the
head of Justice department (or something like that). Then he almost
started a state of war, which would make him the supreme commander. What
if this one gets elected? God save America.

[Mario Petrinovic]

You are so full of yourself, that it makes you blind.

[nyik...@gmail.com]

Mario, I only have time to address the following little bit.

> Actually, this is such a good discussion, such a tale-telling.
> I am telling the guy, hey, Jews will screw you up, hey, Muslims will
> cut your throat.

I wish you would try to avoid such completely unscientific
statements. They cry out for qualifiers, otherwise they
sound like you are saying, ALL adult Jews will screw you up,
ALL adult Muslims want to cut your throat.

I know, there are five people currently posting here who will use such unqualified
comments, because they are on a perennial vendetta
against me for all the times I have exposed their dishonesty,
hypocrisy, cowardice, and lack of integrity. But neither I nor
Daud nor Pandora nor Inyo nor Rubin Shafer has stooped
to such depths. So why should you not emulate the five of us
instead of the other five, two of whom have VERY rarely posted to
sci.bio.paleontology?

>They will blow your kids with explosives. But, the guy
> simply doesn't believe me. He is accusing *me*. For what?

For making such unqualified comments? Like I am doing now?

Peter Nyikos

[nyik...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 9:19:24 AM UTC-5, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 14.11.2020. 14:38, Oxyaena wrote:
> > On 11/13/2020 3:31 PM, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> ...they are also very vocal in denouncing "Islamophobia" while
> >> changing the
> >> subject where pro-Palestinean terrorists are the topic.
> >
> > Pro-Palestinian terrorists? For every one Israeli death there are a
> > thousand Palestinian deaths.

That is an exaggeration, but Oxyaena has been brainwashed
to think that it is because Palestineans are nice. Actually
the ratio would be something like 2 to 1 if Isael didn't have
antimissile defenses that destroyed almost all of Hamas's missiles
when Hamas was attacking with them on a grand scale.

That defense system has been nicknamed the Iron Dome.

> Israel is guilty of crimes against humanity.

Communist propaganda has it that every killing, even in self defense, of a Communist
is a crime against humanity.

> >
> >>
> >> You have also run afoul of another trait of theirs: assuming that
> >> anyone who has
> >> anything to say about Hitler that falls short of complete demonization
> >> must secretly
> >> harbor sympathies for Nazism. Of course, Harshman dare not be caught
> >> treating
> >> Stalin as being anywhere near as evil as Hitler. It all comes with the
> >> brainwashing
> >> he has been subjected to by leftist sources like the New York Times,
> >> which he has been
> >> brainwashed into thinking as a moderate, centrist newspaper.
> >
> > Okay Nazi.

> See, Peter, how this is simple and foolish.

If only Oxyaena were just simple and foolish, half my problems in s.b.p.
would be solved. She is a psychopath, perhaps a hundred times worse than
the sister you told me about. At one point, around 1993-1994, when she called herself
Thrinaxodon, she almost destroyed sci.bio.paleontology with truly
insane posts, and I sometimes think it is because she hated me so
much and knew how much paleontology means to me. In other words,
I think she wanted to do the worst possible harm to me that she could.

She has changed, but I think it is only because she has taken medications
lately that even make her occasionally friendly towards me. That is not
true of erik simpson: he has hated me consistently, unremittingly,
ever since he decided to be "no more Mr. Nice Guy" at the end of 2007. But he
is not as spectacularly brazen about it as Oxyaena.

>You want to tie your
> destiny with such people? This cannot end up in any smart way.

I am no more tying myself to them than you are. We both post to
sci.bio.paleontology, and that is the ONLY way I tie myself to them.

I do it because I love paleontology. I wish YOU would show more love for it.

Peter Nyikos

[nyik...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 10:18:43 PM UTC-5, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:

> If only Oxyaena were just simple and foolish, half my problems in s.b.p.
> would be solved. She is a psychopath, perhaps a hundred times worse than
> the sister you told me about. At one point, around 1993-1994, when she called herself
> Thrinaxodon, she almost destroyed sci.bio.paleontology

Oops! I meant 2013 - 2014. I am a typical absent minded professor, but
fortunately I usually catch my mistakes quickly.

Peter Nyikos

[Mario Petrinovic]

I don't understand your posting.
I am very well aware of that "argument", and I didn't say ALL Jews,
nor ALL Muslims. But, what I did say is *their* (Jew and Muslim) agenda,
not mine. It wasn't me who suddenly invented all this out of nothing. I
didn't say that Muslims will screw you up, and that Jews will cut your
throat, I said it the other way around, and *for the reason*, and this
reason isn't mine.

> I know, there are five people currently posting here who will use such unqualified
> comments, because they are on a perennial vendetta
> against me for all the times I have exposed their dishonesty,
> hypocrisy, cowardice, and lack of integrity. But neither I nor
> Daud nor Pandora nor Inyo nor Rubin Shafer has stooped
> to such depths. So why should you not emulate the five of us
> instead of the other five, two of whom have VERY rarely posted to
> sci.bio.paleontology?
>
>> They will blow your kids with explosives. But, the guy
>> simply doesn't believe me. He is accusing *me*. For what?
>
> For making such unqualified comments? Like I am doing now?

Ah, you both are accusing me for making "unqualified comments". I
mean, how come I am not qualified? Who is making me non-qualified? And why?

[Mario Petrinovic]

On 19.11.2020. 4:18, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 9:19:24 AM UTC-5, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 14.11.2020. 14:38, Oxyaena wrote:
>>> On 11/13/2020 3:31 PM, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...they are also very vocal in denouncing "Islamophobia" while
>>>> changing the
>>>> subject where pro-Palestinean terrorists are the topic.
>>>
>>> Pro-Palestinian terrorists? For every one Israeli death there are a
>>> thousand Palestinian deaths.
>
> That is an exaggeration, but Oxyaena has been brainwashed
> to think that it is because Palestineans are nice. Actually
> the ratio would be something like 2 to 1 if Isael didn't have
> antimissile defenses that destroyed almost all of Hamas's missiles
> when Hamas was attacking with them on a grand scale.
>
> That defense system has been nicknamed the Iron Dome.

People are watching too much movies. I see "good guy", "bad guy"
pattern, here. I mean, Palestinians are doing what they are doing,
Israelis are doing what they are doing. If you want to help
Palestinians, do what you want to do, if you want to help Israelis,
likewise, do what you want to do.
Bur, whoever wants to discuss those things with me, he mustn't sell me
his vision, because I am not in the market for other people's visions.

To me, Oxyaena is normal, brainwashed, lady. Just like anybody else is.
Psychopaths don't discuss their views with other people, for
psychopaths there are no people (including themselves), so there isn't a
reason to discuss anything. Especially if your main mission in life is
to do harm to others so that you get a better position out of that.
Psychopaths only say to other people what they would like other people
to do (in favor of the psychopath). When other people ask a psychopath
to return the favor ("understandably"), they immediately see the closed
door. No remorse, whatsoever, lol (In Croatia we have a saying: "He who
plants gourds together with the Devil, those gourds knocks off his own
head.".).

[Mario Petrinovic]

Oh yes, although I didn't say that ALL Jews will screw you up, I do
think that ALL Jews will screw you up. If you are a member of this
sinful organization, you are doing this sin by definition. Because the
very organization is sinful.
On the other hand, Muslims just believe in God (Alah), this way, or
that way. Some are more peaceful, some are less. The Muslim religion,
though, backs up those who are aggressive towards other people. But
still, not ALL Muslims are like that, those people are into that by
chance, not by their desire. Jews are very aware of what they are doing,
and they continue to do that willingly. ALL Jews. Otherwise they
wouldn't be Jews.

[Mario Petrinovic]

But, the bottom line, actually, is, I don't have to explain much,
things are pretty clear, there is a logic which demands one kind of
behavior. On the other hand, there is some stupid calculation, which
can, very well, be very costly. You have to deal with problems, not to
create more problems.

[Mario Petrinovic]

On 19.11.2020. 6:24, Mario Petrinovic wrote:

> On 19.11.2020. 3:42, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I wish you would try to avoid such completely unscientific
>> statements. They cry out for qualifiers, otherwise they
>> sound like you are saying, ALL adult Jews will screw you up,
>> ALL adult Muslims want to cut your throat.
>
>         I don't understand your posting.
>         I am very well aware of that "argument", and I didn't say ALL
> Jews, nor ALL Muslims. But, what I did say is *their* (Jew and Muslim)
> agenda, not mine. It wasn't me who suddenly invented all this out of
> nothing. I didn't say that Muslims will screw you up, and that Jews will
> cut your throat, I said it the other way around, and *for the reason*,
> and this reason isn't mine.

>>> They will blow your kids with explosives. But, the guy
>>> simply doesn't believe me. He is accusing *me*. For what?
>>
>> For making such unqualified comments?  Like I am doing now?
>
>         Ah, you both are accusing me for making "unqualified comments".
> I mean, how come I am not qualified? Who is making me non-qualified? And
> why?
>
>>> For my good
>>> intentions? I am trying to help him, trying to save his life, the life
>>> of his kids. And how he is reacting to this?
>>> Jesus Christ.

Well, now I will use capital letters, now I will SHOUT.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55001167
This article has a title: "France's Macron issues 'REPUBLICAN VALUES'
(not fascist, but REPUBLICAN, the values onto which France state is
based, onto which UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is based) ULTIMATUM to MUSLIM
LEADERS (not to terrorists, murderers, radicals, but to MUSLIM LEADERS)"
Citations from the article:
"Following these comments, the French leader became a figure of hate
in several Muslim-majority countries."
"In France, state secularism (laïcité) is central to the country's
national identity. Freedom of expression in schools and other public
spaces is part of that, and curbing it to protect the feelings of a
particular religion is seen as undermining national unity."
So, I see the USA has changed lately. Now it is ok in the USA to
terrorize the whole nation, to deprive Americans of their freedom,
because you "mustn't offend those who hate freedom". Jesus Christ, you
BLOODY MORONS.
To cite Macron from the video on this link: "And CLEARLY, the whole of
France is attacked. If we've been attacked again, it's because of our
VALUES, our TASTE FOR FREEDOM,...".
Clearly, clearly, clearly. It is very CLEAR. I don't have to explain
anything to anybody, everybody SHOULD understand what is going on. But,
obviously, NOBODY in this new group (EXCEPT ME) understands this. I have
to explain everything to everybody. WHY?
Where have your values gone, you BLOODY MORONS? Do you have ANY VALUE
anymore?

[Mario Petrinovic]

And when those MUSLIM LEADERS don't obey the ultimatum (or
"understand" the ultimatum on their own way), what will happen to
western people in Muslim countries, what will happen to the domestic
freedom loving people? This is the problem YOU created, buy putting
minor problems under the rug, the problem started to be larger and
larger by every new day. Now you have whole Muslim countries
radicalized. Why? Because you are bloody morons.

[nyik...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 12:45:32 AM UTC-5, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 19.11.2020. 4:18, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 9:19:24 AM UTC-5, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >> On 14.11.2020. 14:38, Oxyaena wrote:
> >>> On 11/13/2020 3:31 PM, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ...they are also very vocal in denouncing "Islamophobia" while
> >>>> changing the
> >>>> subject where pro-Palestinean terrorists are the topic.
> >>>
> >>> Pro-Palestinian terrorists? For every one Israeli death there are a
> >>> thousand Palestinian deaths.
> >
> > That is an exaggeration, but Oxyaena has been brainwashed
> > to think that it is because Palestineans are nice. Actually
> > the ratio would be something like 2 to 1 if Isael didn't have
> > antimissile defenses that destroyed almost all of Hamas's missiles
> > when Hamas was attacking with them on a grand scale.
> >
> > That defense system has been nicknamed the Iron Dome.

> People are watching too much movies. I see "good guy", "bad guy"
> pattern, here. I mean, Palestinians are doing what they are doing,
> Israelis are doing what they are doing. If you want to help
> Palestinians, do what you want to do, if you want to help Israelis,
> likewise, do what you want to do.

That's a strange sort of philosophy. Does it extend to endangered
species? ("If you want to help long-nosed echidnas, do what you
want to do." All three species of this New Guinea mammal are critically endangered.)

> Bur, whoever wants to discuss those things with me, he mustn't sell me
> his vision, because I am not in the market for other people's visions.

Sounds like Harshman. Whenever a buddy of his was doing something
despicable that was the sort of thing he had falsely accused me of,
he refused to address that person's behavior, and went on supporting
that buddy against me -- not then and there, but after some time had passed.

He certainly was not in the market for even listening to what his buddy
was doing, let alone buying my vision. He was so consistent about
behaving in this way that I nicknamed him "DontWanna HearAboutIt."

You mean like Hitler, Stalin, and Tito? were they all just normal, brainwashed people?

> Psychopaths don't discuss their views with other people, for
> psychopaths there are no people (including themselves), so there isn't a
> reason to discuss anything.

I'm afraid you are drawing the wrong conclusions from some things
you've read about them. Here is an article that may surprise you. It has to do
with reasons why psychopaths can be very disarming:

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/neuroscience-shows-psychopaths-can-use-emotional-intelligence-to-harm-here-s-how-to-protect-yourself

> Especially if your main mission in life is
> to do harm to others so that you get a better position out of that.
> Psychopaths only say to other people what they would like other people
> to do (in favor of the psychopath).

But many do it like skilled salesmen: convincing people to do something that
is supposed to benefit THEM rather than the psychopath. Scammers
are by and large psychopaths: they cheat people out of their own money,
by convincing them that if they will only pay for this or that, a huge reward
will be available to them.

> When other people ask a psychopath
> to return the favor ("understandably"), they immediately see the closed
> door.

In the case of scammers, "the door" is simply them changing their phone number,
or whatever, putting them beyond the reach of the "suckers". People
who are cheated aren't just asking for a "return of a favor".

> No remorse, whatsoever, lol (In Croatia we have a saying: "He who
> plants gourds together with the Devil, those gourds knocks off his own

> head.").

Already as a child, I read a whole book that my father had bought on swindlers.
A recurrent theme was, "You can't cheat an honest man." A common scam
to which I've been exposed many times is to be told that there is a huge amount
of "unclaimed" money because the person who owned it died without kin,
and all I have to do is pose as next of kin..." Of course, that is dishonest,
and I -- unlike psychopaths -- am honest enough to refuse to do such a thing.
But many people are not that honest, and they then fall prey to these "con artists,"
as such swindlers are called.

> >> You want to tie your
> >> destiny with such people? This cannot end up in any smart way.
> >
> > I am no more tying myself to them than you are. We both post to
> > sci.bio.paleontology, and that is the ONLY way I tie myself to them.
> >
> > I do it because I love paleontology. I wish YOU would show more love for it.
> >

It looks like I am unable to "sell my vision" of paleontology to you. :-(


Peter Nyikos

[Mario Petrinovic]

I am not sure if I understand your question 100 %, but the answer is,
probably, yes (in general). I am all for Evolution. There is only one
reason why you want to protect endangered species, and this is, so that
you don't lose knowledge of the past. But, by this way you are
manipulating the natural conditions of today, which will cost you
(money). But, if this is what you want to do, then it is alright with me.

>> Bur, whoever wants to discuss those things with me, he mustn't sell me
>> his vision, because I am not in the market for other people's visions.
>
> Sounds like Harshman. Whenever a buddy of his was doing something
> despicable that was the sort of thing he had falsely accused me of,
> he refused to address that person's behavior, and went on supporting
> that buddy against me -- not then and there, but after some time had passed.
>
> He certainly was not in the market for even listening to what his buddy
> was doing, let alone buying my vision. He was so consistent about
> behaving in this way that I nicknamed him "DontWanna HearAboutIt."

I am not for somebody's "visions". I follow logic. If it isn't
logical, it doesn't exist (including myself). I discuss logic.

No. Stalin and Tito are the brainwashers (juts like Vatican), they
were imposing their own rules onto other people. Hitler didn't work for
himself, for his own benefit, but for Germans. That's big difference.

>> Psychopaths don't discuss their views with other people, for
>> psychopaths there are no people (including themselves), so there isn't a
>> reason to discuss anything.
>
> I'm afraid you are drawing the wrong conclusions from some things
> you've read about them. Here is an article that may surprise you. It has to do
> with reasons why psychopaths can be very disarming:
>
> https://getpocket.com/explore/item/neuroscience-shows-psychopaths-can-use-emotional-intelligence-to-harm-here-s-how-to-protect-yourself

There is a lot wrong with that article. First, I don't believe at all
in "parts of brain" that perform a specific function seen on brain
scans. People even don't understand what the "function" is. The one who
claims that he understands is just like people who claim to understand
the genetics, and the Theory of genetic mutation, which is all bogus,
false, produced by false evidence. So, a specialists for genetics can
claim that people evolved by genetically mixing with pigs. This guy just
sees what he wants to see, a very well known psychic phenomenon
(especially known to sailors, who always interpret the counters of the
coast by the way they want to see it, until they finally come close, and
see that this isn't at all what they thought it is). So, the whole
science of looking at those brain scans, I don't appreciate it.
The second thing, no, psychopaths don't understand emotions at all. In
whichever way. When my sister caught me crying, she rushed to my mother
to accuse me for that, not to help me. She never cried because her
emotions forced her to, she doesn't understand at all this phenomenon,
just like all those tests rightly show.
Psychopaths are very (extremely) double-faced. The first time that I
show double-facedness in real life (performed by normal people) I was
shocked. I couldn't believe what is happening. We were at village, they
had chicken in the yard, and we got to have chicken soup for lunch.
Well, the women came with smiley face towards chicken, offering them
food, trying to attract them. And when they finally came, in a friendly
way, she broke the neck of one of them. I was shocked. How can people be
so double-faced, I asked myself? She pretended that she is friendly,
while actually she was dangerous. I was just a kid. Well, exactly this
is what psychopaths are doing. They watch, and they see what kind of
behavior "works", and they practice it. No emotions behind this at all.
The only way to protect yourself from a psychopath is to shout loud to
all people around that he/she is a psychopath. Then psychopath will go
around you, not wanting you to distract their plans. For sure they will
not try to harm you, because they will be the first one to be accused
for harming you, and this will distract their other "projects", and they
really don't need that. They don't hate you, they don't like you, they
have nothing to do with you, they don't have human relations to humans,
the relations are purely mechanical. So, you are the problem for them,
because, their plans to work, they have to be double-faced, and you are
uncovering them. Just like that "chicken" situation. Nothing more. If
somebody told those chicken that this lady is dangerous, they would
steer away from her. Which distracts the plans of a psychopath. But, you
have to understand that logic, because this kind of behavior (exposing
psychopaths) isn't normal behavior. I do understand it.

>> Especially if your main mission in life is
>> to do harm to others so that you get a better position out of that.
>> Psychopaths only say to other people what they would like other people
>> to do (in favor of the psychopath).
>
> But many do it like skilled salesmen: convincing people to do something that
> is supposed to benefit THEM rather than the psychopath. Scammers
> are by and large psychopaths: they cheat people out of their own money,
> by convincing them that if they will only pay for this or that, a huge reward
> will be available to them.

There is a big difference between normal people who are sociopaths
(like scammers, or mafia guys) and psychopaths. Normal sociopaths are
normal people, their emotions are working, but emotions are suppressed.
They are little babies for psychopaths. Psychopaths don't have emotions
at all. Psychopaths can put their own baby on a BBQ, watching it being
fried, and not feeling anything at all. No normal person can do anything
similar.

>> When other people ask a psychopath
>> to return the favor ("understandably"), they immediately see the closed
>> door.
>
> In the case of scammers, "the door" is simply them changing their phone number,
> or whatever, putting them beyond the reach of the "suckers". People
> who are cheated aren't just asking for a "return of a favor".

Again, psychopaths are much worse. Psychopaths *don't* change their
number. You get it? They just don't care at all. They don't have that
emotion to worry about. If they change their number, it is not because
they would have problems rejecting somebody, they would change number
because they are doing other "projects". Regarding the scammed person,
psychopaths don't care about him, they don't care about their own
sisters, mothers, children. My niece doesn't call her mother a "mammy",
she call her "that creature". Because this is what she really is. My
niece saw enough of complete emotional dumbness from her mother in her
life, to know exactly what she is.

>> No remorse, whatsoever, lol (In Croatia we have a saying: "He who
>> plants gourds together with the Devil, those gourds knocks off his own
>> head.").
>
> Already as a child, I read a whole book that my father had bought on swindlers.
> A recurrent theme was, "You can't cheat an honest man." A common scam
> to which I've been exposed many times is to be told that there is a huge amount
> of "unclaimed" money because the person who owned it died without kin,
> and all I have to do is pose as next of kin..." Of course, that is dishonest,
> and I -- unlike psychopaths -- am honest enough to refuse to do such a thing.
> But many people are not that honest, and they then fall prey to these "con artists,"
> as such swindlers are called.

Yes, in general I agree with that.

[Mario Petrinovic]

On 20.11.2020. 7:14, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> ...I don't believe

> at all in "parts of brain" that perform a specific function seen on
> brain scans. People even don't understand what the "function" is.

I remember a documentary. One girl had very strong seizures. Brain
scans clearly show very strong reaction during seizures, but only on the
left side of brain. They all (doctors, parents, that girl) agreed to
remove left part of the brain. And what happened? Seizures were cut by
half in frequency. But brain scans clearly showed very strong reaction
only on the left side of the brain.
So, those people don't know what they are doing at all. But, guess
what, they are paid to do that.

[nyik...@gmail.com]

There are others. There are more directions in which evolution can move
if there are many disparate kinds of animals. Hence, a richer biota for
people to observe.

Long nosed echidnas have not been successfully bred in captivity,
unlike the very different-looking short-nosed kind. But if the population
of one of the three species were to make a strong comeback, it would
be safe to exhibit some of them in zoos.

We'll have to discuss the Vatican some time early in 2021. Like I told you on
another thread, I want us talking about paleontology again. [And, thank you,
you've responded to me already. But I'd like to see a lot more of that,
to make up for all the time I spent with you on off-topic things.]

Oxyaena is also a brainwasher, not just brainwashed. She is active in
RationalWiki, a propagandandistic organization that uses the same
format as Wikipedia, but is not interested in being objective.

> they were imposing their own rules onto other people. Hitler didn't work for
> himself, for his own benefit, but for Germans.

Oxyaena doesn't primarily do things for her benefit in talk.origins.
A great deal of her attacking me is because I am showing how
deceitful and hypocritical her allies are: jillery, Ron Okimoto,
John Harshman, Erik Simpson. Perhaps also Hemidactylus -- I'll
have to check. And her way of attacking me for doing this
is to be deceitful and hypocritical.

> > >That's big difference.
> >> Psychopaths don't discuss their views with other people, for
> >> psychopaths there are no people (including themselves), so there isn't a
> >> reason to discuss anything.

In 2021, I'd like to see some references for your statements about
what psychopaths are like, and what sociopaths are like.

> >
> > I'm afraid you are drawing the wrong conclusions from some things
> > you've read about them. Here is an article that may surprise you. It has to do
> > with reasons why psychopaths can be very disarming:
> >
> > https://getpocket.com/explore/item/neuroscience-shows-psychopaths-can-use-emotional-intelligence-to-harm-here-s-how-to-protect-yourself

> There is a lot wrong with that article. First, I don't believe at all
> in "parts of brain" that perform a specific function seen on brain
> scans. People even don't understand what the "function" is. The one who
> claims that he understands is just like people who claim to understand
> the genetics, and the Theory of genetic mutation, which is all bogus,
> false, produced by false evidence. So, a specialists for genetics can
> claim that people evolved by genetically mixing with pigs. This guy just
> sees what he wants to see, a very well known psychic phenomenon
> (especially known to sailors, who always interpret the counters of the
> coast by the way they want to see it, until they finally come close, and
> see that this isn't at all what they thought it is). So, the whole
> science of looking at those brain scans, I don't appreciate it.

There is some truth to what you are saying here, but there is much
truth in the opposite direction. Perhaps you can connect this with
paleontology; then we could talk about this before the end of this year again.

> The second thing, no, psychopaths don't understand emotions at all. In
> whichever way. When my sister caught me crying, she rushed to my mother
> to accuse me for that, not to help me. She never cried because her
> emotions forced her to, she doesn't understand at all this phenomenon,
> just like all those tests rightly show.
> Psychopaths are very (extremely) double-faced. The first time that I
> show double-facedness in real life (performed by normal people) I was
> shocked. I couldn't believe what is happening. We were at village, they
> had chicken in the yard, and we got to have chicken soup for lunch.
> Well, the women came with smiley face towards chicken, offering them
> food, trying to attract them. And when they finally came, in a friendly
> way, she broke the neck of one of them. I was shocked. How can people be
> so double-faced, I asked myself? She pretended that she is friendly,
> while actually she was dangerous. I was just a kid. Well, exactly this
> is what psychopaths are doing. They watch, and they see what kind of
> behavior "works", and they practice it. No emotions behind this at all.
> The only way to protect yourself from a psychopath is to shout loud to
> all people around that he/she is a psychopath.

That doesn't work in talk.origins. The sociopaths and psychopaths
(one of the latter may well be Hemidactylus) are so powerful there,
very few people dare to attack them. Glenn is almost the only one
besides myself.

Oxyaena may be like this, but not Hemidactylus.

> They are little babies for psychopaths. Psychopaths don't have emotions
> at all. Psychopaths can put their own baby on a BBQ, watching it being
> fried, and not feeling anything at all. No normal person can do anything
> similar.

Hemidactylus might be that way. I will put him to the test before 2020 is out.

But now that you HAVE done some on-topic posts again, it seems you
have your own vision of it. Only, not as intense or well developed as mine.

Not yet. Maybe in the future.


Peter Nyikos

[Mario Petrinovic]

Sociopaths are humans that have something against humans, psychopaths
are non-humans who want to break "dolls" which are moving around them,
because they compete for resources.

I am not a big part of paleontology, I am very much part of
paleoanthropology. If I come in contact with paleontology in some way,
and I think that my ideas can be beneficial for paleontology, I post it
here.

[nyik...@gmail.com]

Mario, I am going on my usual end of year break, and this will be my last day
of posting in sci.bio.paleontology until mid-January.

I already said my goodbye last night in talk.origins, but I am replying to your last post
to this thread, because it shows some things you and I wrote which Hemidactylus quoted in talk.origins,
and demanded to know what I meant by something I said to you.

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 2:30:01 AM UTC-5, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 28.11.2020. 4:28, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 1:14:12 AM UTC-5, Mario Petrinovic wrote:

<big snip to get to the most relevant part>

> >> There is a big difference between normal people who are sociopaths
> >> (like scammers, or mafia guys) and psychopaths. Normal sociopaths are
> >> normal people, their emotions are working, but emotions are suppressed.
> >
> > Oxyaena may be like this, but not Hemidactylus.
> >
> >> They are little babies for psychopaths. Psychopaths don't have emotions
> >> at all. Psychopaths can put their own baby on a BBQ, watching it being
> >> fried, and not feeling anything at all. No normal person can do anything
> >> similar.
> >
> > Hemidactylus might be that way. I will put him to the test before 2020 is out.

Hemidactylus demanded to know what I meant by that. So here is the test to
which I put him:


"I do believe you are quite capable of watching, via sonogram, a 20-week unborn child
that you sired one way or another, being torn limb from limb without
anesthesia, in what is euphemistically called a D&E abortion, without
feeling any twinge of sympathy for it. Am I wrong?
-- https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/UyETkw4gf78/m/7l0SnjGQAAAJ

Hemidactylus refused to answer the question, but the big surprise was that
Oxyaena actually tried to justify a total lack of sympathy on the part of Hemidactylus,
with some pro-abortion propaganda that I hadn't seen in years. Her first response
was a single line:

"Because it's a parasite."

I had seen this kind of "justification" many times during the eight years
I posted to talk.abortion, so I was ready with an answer:

"A breastfeeding baby is an external parasite, but that is not a valid excuse for infanticide,
let alone an infanticide in the form of drawing and quartering. That is what a D&E abortion
-- excuse me, I mean a "D&E medical procedure" --
can best be compared to as far as punishments which
were NOT considered to be "cruel and unusual" (at most, cruel)
at some time in the history of our strange subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens."


The following was Oxyaena's biologically ignorant reaction:

"Except that a fetus is nothing more than a clump of cells without
cognition, and the mother's body is more important than a fetus."

I had seen this kind of garbage many times in 8 years of posting to talk.abortion,
and had a very in-depth, long and thorough refutation of the nonsense that all
fetuses lack cognition. But I also had a brand new argument for the "mother's body" nonsense
that took me right back to your scenario:


"Continuing in the same vein, the importance of the body of the
mother could trump the right to life of a breastfeeding 20-week baby,
and she would be justified in killing it, barbecuing it, and eating it.

"That's not just a hypothetical. Such things happened during the seige
of Jerusalem by the Roman legions. But at least the women who did
such things were facing death by starvation. OTOH your pro-abortion
-- excuse me, I mean your pro-choice -- logic allows her to do it for
any reason or no reason."

-- https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/UyETkw4gf78/m/2TisdrXkAQAJ
Re: WHY I KEEP POSTING TO TALK.ORIGINS
Dec 22, 2020, 10:20:32 PM

A normal person could have written many things in defense,
such as explaining that she only meant for "cognition" to
refer just to the mental state of fetuses at 20 weeks gestation or earlier
[which would also have been nonsense, but not such obvious nonsense].

Instead, she snipped the whole argument with:

"[snip idiocy]"

and her only other new text was "You're only whining cause your bigotry
is no longer acceptable in today's society."


So it seems that there is a good chance that Oxyaena is a psychopath.
What do you think, Mario?


Peter Nyikos

PS I left in everything below that followed in your post, in case
there is something that you would like for me to comment on.

[John Harshman]

On 12/23/20 5:14 PM, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:
> Mario, I am going on my usual end of year break, and this will be my last day
> of posting in sci.bio.paleontology until mid-January.

For a person who wants to keep news groups from becoming toxic, you sure
have a funny way of doing it. Completely off-topic, scurrilous
accusations against third parties not present would seem very toxic to me.

[Oxyaena]

On 12/23/2020 8:14 PM, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:
> Mario, I am going on my usual end of year break, and this will be my last day
> of posting in sci.bio.paleontology until mid-January.
>

A pity you didn't leave sooner.

[snip idiocy]

[erik simpson]

Some moral character you're displaying here. You have become vile.

[Mario Petrinovic]

These days we are celebrating the birth day of Jesus, not anything
else. Jesus was born on that day. Everybody else also is born, we are
all born. Until we are born, we, actually, don't exist. Doesn't matter
what somebody says. Animals are born, until that day they are just a
part of the body.
In womb we are in a state of formation, we are fully formed only when
we are born (more or less successfully).
Somebody can eat its own baby, but he doesn't feel good doing that.
Psychopath doesn't feel good or bad, he feels, literally, nothing, in
whatever he does.
In my view there isn't a pro-abortion or anti-abortion stance. This
would be like I have a stance whether Americans should do this, or that.
It is their problem, not mine. The question of abortion is mentioned in
a context of law. For example, Catholic church says that thieves will be
punished in another world, so we have to forgive them in this world,
lol. Ok, but we have laws which manage our world. So, why believers
don't say, he who does abortion will be punished in another world? No,
they insist on anti-abortion laws. They don't say, those who committed
abortion should be forgiven. Oh, no. Thieves (such are them) should be
forgiven, but for this they insist on laws to be put. Hm.
But, do they insist that Croatian laws should manage the things in
America? Of course not. So, why do they insist that laws that manage
America, should also manage somebody's womb? No, somebody's womb, just
like somebody's mind, or any part of the body, is a matter of this
person, his/hers own laws are the meritum. So, Croatian laws mustn't
manage my body. A birth certificate is issued only after birth, there is
no conception (or whatever) certificate.
So, in this particular case we are arguing about laws, not about what
God thinks about it. With God it is perfectly clear, he punishes people
for whatever he thinks people should be punished, but not on this world
(at least, I never heard about it), and definitely it isn't Catholic
church who should write laws. Their is to pray, and be afraid of God.
Very afraid, because God will take them the most responsible for the
evil they are doing. It is not ours to be afraid of Catholic church, and
it isn't the job of Catholic church to make their simple-minded human
pressure on God's creation, they should know this very well. It is not
theirs to judge God and God's creations, God will do that himself.
So, whoever wants to mess up with my body, I will mess with his body
twice as much.

--
human-e...@googlegroups.com

[Mario Petrinovic]

Maybe the best example is this Corona crisis. Believers think that
vaccination is messing up with the God's creation, so they are not
willing to vaccinate.
Well, God created things such that living beings are born. Any other
stance is anti-religious. Full stop.
I mean, this anti-abortion stance is out of pure greed. The ones who
want to conquer the world by sheer number, want abortion to be stopped.
They don't care about how God made this world, they just want as much
baby believers as it can be produced. Well, in another world they will
have very thorough discussion with St. Peter about their greed.
And, BTW, this is another misconception. It will not be St. Peter the
judge in matter, you will have to answer to God himself, not St. Peter.

[Mario Petrinovic]

And while we are at psychopaths, it was God who watched how they
torture his son on a cross. He, actually, sent his son to Earth to be
tortured. The only sense of the life of Jesus was to be tortured.
And while we are at Talk Origins, I don't get the sense of this
discussion. On one hand you have people who are following science and
evidence, and on the other you have people who are following their
believes. I mean, I believe that we were shaped by Evolution. The end of
discussion. He believes in God, I believe in Evolution, I am just as
right as he is. The end of story. Instead we have long discussions.
About what? He says that he believes that God created the world. So,
what in the whole world do I have to discuss with him? I believe that
Evolution did this. What complains he can have about what I do believe?
And why? Again, it is the greed.

[*Hemidactylus*]

The toxic avenger.

[*Hemidactylus*]

He managed to get abortion shoehorned into another place it doesn’t fit.

[erik simpson]

I'm more convinced than ever that he's getting worse. The signal/noise from him is
nearly negligible, and the paranoia more elaborate than ever.

[Oxyaena]

On 12/24/2020 4:33 PM, erik simpson wrote:
[snip]

>>>
>> He managed to get abortion shoehorned into another place it doesn’t fit.
>
> I'm more convinced than ever that he's getting worse. The signal/noise from him is
> nearly negligible, and the paranoia more elaborate than ever.
>

I remember when we used to have long, flowing discussions about
paleontology. Now it's just endless mudslinging and shitflinging.

[Oxyaena]

On 11/13/2020 1:12 PM, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 2:52:59 PM UTC-5, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My impression is DIG is working on Beagle again.
>
> It's back up, but I expect you to go on lurking or even posting here,
> and your vague generality that comes next deserves an in-depth comment.
>
>> So you can expect
>> visitors to drop by, both welcome and unwelcome.
>
> The only "unwelcome" visitor, from Erik's POV, is Glenn. [Dale is too much of a nonentity
> to bother with.] It's obvious from your subsequent behavior, and his, that he has
> welcomed you with open arms. And Oxyaena must be thrilled to have you with us.

I just noticed this gratuitous mentioning of me after almost two months.
Wow, you really need to grow the fuck up.

>
> I'm sure Harshman doesn't mind either. And nobody's complained about
> Hemidactylus's presence here, either.
>
> And so, in his Nov. 5 thread, simulating contempt for "invaders" whom he dared not name,
> and feigining anger at me for having "invited" the lot of you, Erik illustrated the behavior
> that has earned for him the superlative based on about seven years with talk.origins:
>
> The most disingenuously dishonest regular in talk.origins
>
> And he also holds that distinction in sci.bio.paleontology, but only due to behavior
> since early 2018. John Harshman is a strong competitor for that superlative,
> but Oxyaena isn't even an also-ran: her superlative is in another direction, as
> is Harshman's.
>
> Peter Nyikos
>

[Mario Petrinovic]

On 27.12.2020. 23:47, Oxyaena wrote:
> On 11/13/2020 1:12 PM, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 2:52:59 PM UTC-5, 69jp...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My impression is DIG is working on Beagle again.
>>
>> It's back up, but I expect you to go on lurking or even posting here,
>> and your vague generality that comes next deserves an in-depth comment.
>>
>>> So you can expect
>>> visitors to drop by, both welcome and unwelcome.
>>
>> The only "unwelcome" visitor, from Erik's POV, is Glenn. [Dale is too
>> much of a nonentity
>> to bother with.] It's obvious from your subsequent behavior, and his,
>> that he has
>> welcomed you with open arms. And Oxyaena must be thrilled to have you
>> with us.
>
> I just noticed this gratuitous mentioning of me after almost two months.
> Wow, you really need to grow the fuck up.

Hm, "...to grow the fuck up.". You learn something new every day.

>> I'm sure Harshman doesn't mind either. And nobody's complained about
>> Hemidactylus's presence here, either.
>>
>> And so, in his Nov. 5 thread, simulating contempt for "invaders" whom
>> he dared not name,
>> and feigining anger at me for having "invited" the lot of you,  Erik
>> illustrated the behavior
>> that has earned for him the superlative based on about seven years
>> with talk.origins:
>>
>>      The most disingenuously dishonest regular  in talk.origins
>>
>> And he also holds that distinction in sci.bio.paleontology, but only
>> due to behavior
>> since early 2018. John Harshman is a strong competitor for that
>> superlative,
>> but Oxyaena isn't even an also-ran: her superlative is in another
>> direction, as
>> is Harshman's.

--
human-e...@googlegroups.com

[Glenn]

Have you *ever* accused Oxy of that?

[Glenn]

On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 4:13:25 PM UTC-7, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 27.12.2020. 23:47, Oxyaena wrote:
> > On 11/13/2020 1:12 PM, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 2:52:59 PM UTC-5, 69jp...@gmail.com
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> My impression is DIG is working on Beagle again.
> >>
> >> It's back up, but I expect you to go on lurking or even posting here,
> >> and your vague generality that comes next deserves an in-depth comment.
> >>
> >>> So you can expect
> >>> visitors to drop by, both welcome and unwelcome.
> >>
> >> The only "unwelcome" visitor, from Erik's POV, is Glenn. [Dale is too
> >> much of a nonentity
> >> to bother with.] It's obvious from your subsequent behavior, and his,
> >> that he has
> >> welcomed you with open arms. And Oxyaena must be thrilled to have you
> >> with us.
> >
> > I just noticed this gratuitous mentioning of me after almost two months.
> > Wow, you really need to grow the fuck up.
> Hm, "...to grow the fuck up.". You learn something new every day.

Oxy's been growing the 'fuck up' for ages.

[Mario Petrinovic]

On 29.12.2020. 23:33, Glenn wrote:
> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 4:13:25 PM UTC-7, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 27.12.2020. 23:47, Oxyaena wrote:
>>> On 11/13/2020 1:12 PM, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 2:52:59 PM UTC-5, 69jp...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My impression is DIG is working on Beagle again.
>>>>
>>>> It's back up, but I expect you to go on lurking or even posting here,
>>>> and your vague generality that comes next deserves an in-depth comment.
>>>>
>>>>> So you can expect
>>>>> visitors to drop by, both welcome and unwelcome.
>>>>
>>>> The only "unwelcome" visitor, from Erik's POV, is Glenn. [Dale is too
>>>> much of a nonentity
>>>> to bother with.] It's obvious from your subsequent behavior, and his,
>>>> that he has
>>>> welcomed you with open arms. And Oxyaena must be thrilled to have you
>>>> with us.
>>>
>>> I just noticed this gratuitous mentioning of me after almost two months.
>>> Wow, you really need to grow the fuck up.
>> Hm, "...to grow the fuck up.". You learn something new every day.
>
> Oxy's been growing the 'fuck up' for ages.

Lol, I am non-English speaker, so this ended up as an interesting
combination of words to me, :) .
And this is the problem with us, non-English speakers. We are learning
English from movies. Now, what if we would instinctively use the same
phrases in a conversation with decent people. Lol, for sure it wouldn't
sound nice. But hey, this is how we learnt your language, it's not our
fault, lol.

[Oxyaena]

On 11/18/2020 10:25 PM, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 10:18:43 PM UTC-5, nyik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> If only Oxyaena were just simple and foolish, half my problems in s.b.p.
>> would be solved. She is a psychopath, perhaps a hundred times worse than
>> the sister you told me about. At one point, around 1993-1994, when she called herself
>> Thrinaxodon, she almost destroyed sci.bio.paleontology
>

> Oops! I meant 2013 - 2014. I am a typical absent minded professor, but
> fortunately I usually catch my mistakes quickly.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

>
> Peter Nyikos
>