me AGAIN!
Gramma
terms.
If some kind soul would have a look at the following site
and taking the drawings as a,b,c,d, from the left and tell me what these
'parts' should be called I would be extremely grateful.
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs21&d=05121&f=Botanica.jpg
I have checked 'The Language of Botany' by C. Debenham but it was too
technical for me as a layman to decide which way to go.
For instance I have been advised to call a : Inflorescence
I always thought this meant the flowering part of a plant.
Could this be used to describe the central column [stamen? stigma?] prior to
the stage where anthers were
swollen with pollen, if the petals were removed?
c. I have been advised to call this a Bud
- again I thought this was the pre flowering stage - relating to a young
flower. I have been advised to use this to describe what I would call
immature fruit ,[the stage before the seeds are fully formed and the
capsule is ready to open]
Thanks in advance
Gramma
P van Rijckevorsel
Gramma <ejan...@bigpond.com> schreef
> Just dropping in to ask for a couple of definitions regarding botanical
> terms. If some kind soul would have a look at the following site
> and taking the drawings as a,b,c,d, from the left and tell me what these
> 'parts' should be called I would be extremely grateful.
>
> http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs21&d=05121&f=Botanica.jpg
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There are lots of parts here ...
* * *
> For instance I have been advised to call a : Inflorescence
***
That would be wrong
* * *
> I always thought this meant the flowering part of a plant.
> Could this be used to describe the central column [stamen? stigma?] prior
to the stage where anthers were swollen with pollen, if the petals were
removed?
***
No, it couldn't
* * *
> c. I have been advised to call this a Bud
***
It is hard to tell from the picture what exactly this is
* * *
> - again I thought this was the pre flowering stage - relating to a young
> flower. I have been advised to use this to describe what I would call
> immature fruit ,[the stage before the seeds are fully formed and the
> capsule is ready to open]
***
An immature fruit is not a bud.
PvR
Monique Reed
parts of the flower) in two stages of maturity. The second two show
the gynoecium in two further stages of maturity.
"Inflorescence" is a term for the flowering part of a plant and its
associated structures--pedicels (flower stalks), bracts, etc. It does
not apply to any of these drawings.
"Bud" is an immature shoot (whether vegetative or floral) or an
unopened flower. It does not apply to anyof these drawings.
Does that help a little?
M. Reed
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Cereus-validus.....
there are always naive suckers on the internet willing to do his homework
for him!!!! The bottom line Grass man: don't even think of trying to smoke
it.
Monique is such a malvaceous marshmallow but she doesn't even recognize one
of he kin when she sees it!!!
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Gramma
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Thanks PvR
You confirmedwhat I thought - I was advised badly
Gramma>
Stewart Robert Hinsley
<mon...@mail.bio.tamu.edu> writes
>Your first two show the androecium and gynoecium (male and female
>parts of the flower) in two stages of maturity. The second two show
>the gynoecium in two further stages of maturity.
>
are described as a staminal column. (I've also seen stamineal column,
but I think that that's archaic.)
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley
http://www.malvaceae.info
P van Rijckevorsel
> Monique ...doesn't even recognize one of he kin when she sees it!!!
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ESP must be a wonderful thing!
Pity you don't have it but just make silly assumptions
PvR
Cereus-validus.....
No DUH!!!
There was no need to be so sneaky about the subject with your original
posting.
BTW, Alyogyne huegelii is in the Malvaceae after all.
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> "Stewart Robert Hinsley" <{$news$}@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Thanks Stewart -
>
> Would staminode also cover what you have described??
> This was another word suggested by my botanical student friend
>
> By the way - thanks to the links PvR posted
> your site was particularly helpful in my project as I am
> 'doing' Alyogyne huegelii.
>
> I hope to have the project finished by this Friday
> Gramma
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Cereus-validus.....
You can't handle the truth.
Actually had chicken livers and rice! Does that count?
You won't seek through the cloud of smoke in your dorm room?
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> "Cereus-validus....." <fashizzle...@spam.net> wrote in message
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>> Now Gramma Grass can party hearty for the rest of his spring break
>> knowing there are always naive suckers on the internet willing to do his
>> homework for him!!!! The bottom line Grass man: don't even think of
>> trying to smoke it.
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> What side of the bed did *you* get out of today?
>
> Every newsgroup has one
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> Sounds as though a good dose of liver salts would do you good.
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> You are further from the truth than you know.
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> Don't bother replying I will not see it.
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> Gramma
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Monique Reed
Gramma wrote:
> Would staminode also cover what you have described??
> This was another word suggested by my botanical student friend
No. A staminode is a non-functional stamen, often reduced or modified
to be attractive to pollinators in some way (as in Penstemon.)
Who is giving you this poor vocabulary advice?
Monique Reed
Gramma
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Would staminode also cover what you have described??
This was another word suggested by my botanical student friend
By the way - thanks to the links PvR posted
Stewart Robert Hinsley
<ejan...@bigpond.com> writes
>
>Would staminode also cover what you have described??
>This was another word suggested by my botanical student friend
>
Alyogyne lacks them. About half the old Malvaceae (clade Eumalvoideae in
recent works) have teeth or truncate extensions at the top of the
staminal column beyond the last anther; there's two interpretations of
this - either they're staminodes, or they're an outgrowth of a stamen.
(The corona of the staminal column of the Ceiba speciosa group
(Bombacoideae) is known to be an outgrowth of the 15 stamens.)
I didn't observe any staminodes in the diagram you referenced.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley
P van Rijckevorsel
> (The corona of the staminal column of the Ceiba speciosa group
> (Bombacoideae) is known to be an outgrowth of the 15 stamens.)
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As most of the literature uses the name /Chorisia speciosa/ it might be
better to consistently list this as a synonym. Not sure how many people
actually switched, anyway.
PvR
P van Rijckevorsel
> BTW, Alyogyne huegelii is in the Malvaceae after all.
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You are slow, but catching on
OP is way ahead of you.
PvR
Gramma
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> there are always naive suckers on the internet willing to do his homework
> for him!!!! The bottom line Grass man: don't even think of trying to smoke
> it.
What side of the bed did *you* get out of today?
Cereus-validus.....
Do you have ESPN?
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P van Rijckevorsel
> Every newsgroup has one and we have YOU!
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Oh my, somebody dares to ask a question!
The Mighty Wax Candle must of course stamp out such impudence
PvR
Gramma
>
>>
> Who is giving you this poor vocabulary advice?
I'm ashamed to say it is another much younger botanical artist [and an art
tutor] who artistically is way, way more proficient than I am .
I had assumed he would have a better understanding of botanical terms,
but what he was telling me didn't ring true with what I had seen described
on other illustrations when I was trying to research the correct terms.
Thank goodness I didn't take him at his word.
Yesterday the botanical illustrator from our local Botanical Gardens had a
look at my drawing for me and she has been extremely helpful so coupled
with what you have all said I am happier with what descriptions to use.
Thank you all for your in put -
I've never been flamed before so even grumpy bum gave me a giggle.
Gramma
Gramma
I'm ashamed to say it is another much younger botanical artist [and an art
Gramma
Didn't mean to post twice - sorry
Gramma
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