> >> > Of course there is UFOlogy. Obviously Raelians are not part of it.
> >> > I have quite a bit of contempt for such cultish groups as they are
> >> > simply using the idea of UFO's to promote their own agendas.
> >> > But there is the real side of the topic, where some person, who
> >> > is in every other way normal, has observed something that he cannot
> >> > explain. He has no agendas, he simply saw something strange and
> >> > is curious about it. UFOlogy, as a science, simply wants to try and
> >> > figure out what it is.
> >> But, you stated more than once "aliens are here". You have no
> >> proof of this,
No one is original to this planet. Only the animals are. All humanoids
are hybrids.
> >But I do.
> You keep saying that, but you don't produce any. Do you and
> Fraudship have the same evidence repository? He hasn't posted any
> evidence either.
You have posted not even your name or any evidence that you are really a
person. I have asked this before, but you spam programs refuse to
provide any evidence that you are really a person on a computer offering
arguments. When will you provide evidence that you are indeed a normal
person discussing topics on usenet? We have no evidence whatever that
you even exist as a person.
> >There is plenty of proof for the alien presence, certainly
> >as much as is sufficient for other typically accepted facts.
> Such as? Contrast and compare. Be prepared to show your work.
> >>so you only have a belief system, and that places
> >> you closer to religion than science.
Science is also a belief system.
> >But since there exists proof that "aliens are here", your rejection
> >of the evidence constitutes a belief system and that places you
> >closer to religion than science.
> Can't reject that which has never been presented. Go ahead. Lay some
> on us. I'd be particularly interested to see what the UFO community is
> willing to accept as "evidence."
Much more than the spinical community.
> >>You belong to a large
> >> religion with many denominations, and you attemt to seek
> >> evidence to verify your beliefs.
> >You belong to a large religion and you avoid accepting any evidence
> >that might contradict your beliefs.
Religion in its true sense is the RE-linking of the self to its origins,
so any belief system which does this is a religion, science as well.
Evidence is simply the reinforcing logic that a belief system maintains
in order to justify its tenets.
> After you finish your lame insults, Harold, how about showing us
> some E*V*I*D*E*N*C*E* that what you claim is true? There's a good boy.
No one can convice anyone else of a belief system that they do not
adhere to, each system of belief has its own reinforcing logic, and
because we all create our realities utterly as the product of our
beliefs on all levels, the person must themselves CREATE the acceptance
of any so-called "evidence" presented for any issue. No one can MAKE
anyone else believe anything they do not prefer to believe. I do not
believe science is the be-all and end-all of methodologys for
investigating the world or universe. It is but one method.
> >>If this is not the case, then
> >> you could not make the claim "aliens are here".
> >If this is not the case, then you would simply accept the _fact_ that
> >aliens are here.
> Assumes facts not in (say it with me, Harold) evidence.
Translation: Assumes you accept "evidence" of a belief system that does
not reinforce your particular world view. That is the posters only
error.
> >>Decades of such
> >> claims, millions in profits, and all you have still is your
> >> beliefs.
> >Decades of denial all due to the firm belief that the world is exactly
> >like you were originally taught in school.
> Well, until somebody produces evidence to the contrary, that's the
> way to bet.
There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of all
truths.
> >H.Ellis Ensle
> Widdershins
> Skepticult Member #159-904378-909
This world view is one of the most integrated and accurate:
I. Things within the Universe (or more appropriately Multiverse since
it contains infinite levels) are not valid because we judge them to be
so, but rather simply because they exist. In physical reality we see
"All That Is" as polarity pairs of opposites (i.e., male/female,
right/wrong, darkness/light).
II. Discernment and judgment reflect two different types of energy.
Discernment is the ability to observe and analytically evaluate a belief
system without becoming caught up in the belief system. Judgment more
closely resembles projection and/or reaction formation, and the
individual mistakes their own belief system with its reinforcing logic,
for an attitude on the part of the observed. The Horoscope reflects the
archetypal pattern of belief structures and their physical
manifestations.
III. There are many levels of manifested mind or psyche (meaning soul)
the motive force initially as a product of "All That Is" exploring
itself. All of these levels are responsible for each individual's
experiential reality, and the collective experience when combined as a
whole.
IV. The ego is the effect of our focus upon the material or physical
aspect of mind, and is to a great degree an artificial construct. It is
made up of and relies on specificity.
V. The concepts of "good" and "bad" are subjective value judgements,
and tell us little about the type of energy being expressed. There is
however, Positive expression, which is recognizable by its integrative,
unifying, constructive, expansive, unbiased and supportive
characteristics. It reflects a belief in self- empowered action as a
conviction of belief. Negative expression is characterized by its
segregative, separative, limiting, constricting, cynical, polarizing and
reactive qualities. It reflects a belief in reality existing only
outside the self and resulting "battle" between it and physical reality,
it is reactive and is therefore disempowered.
VI. Fear and suppression of the unconscious portions of psychic
material is the effect of negative energy and may result in the
projection of the fears into relationships. It may be projected on to
things in the form of phobias.
VII. The vibrational level of a being is determined by the willingness
and capability of that being to know itself on as many levels as fully
as it can. Fear may be the result when we resist acknowledging certain
beliefs that we may hold as an effect of repression or resist our own
growth. Accepting that we create our reality, we can surmise that we
cannot experience anything that is not a part of us on some level. The
logical conclusion is the creator is within us.
Secondly;
VIII. Spirit is both physical (matter-feminine) and energetic
(non-physical-masculine). Levels of spirit are determined by vibrational
speed.
IX. Spirit is the divine agency working within all things which we will
call "All That Is". Separations between levels is an illusion.
X. Mystical experience is the Mode of manifestation that leads to
spiritual rebirth or being "born again". The Christ consciousness is the
collective consciousness of all ideas within our solar system,
integrated.
XI. Spirit and nature are one. Back to Eden is the integration of
conflicts to non-duality. The "Grail" or "Chalice" is this integration
which is achieved through following one's bliss or excitement. Acting
with the whole self with integrity.
XII. Psychology is the study of the interplay and interchange of the
levels of psychic material. Behavior is the result of the integration or
segregation of these levels that manifests in the form of needs.
XIII. The resolution of apparent conflict and contradiction is the
experience of living in physical reality. The examination of aspects of
the self in their apparent fragmented expression through time.
XIV. A "personality" is not all that we are, but is represented by the
ego, an artificial construct that we use as an interface with physical
reality. Archetypal images that are in conflict and specific
organizations produce needs that infer a personality. Biological traits
in genes are generational and collective belief patterning carried
through generational incarnation. They are "caused" by the archetypal
template (beliefs), not vice-versa.
XV. As we move into a more expanded version of the self we go deeper
into the unconscious. Psychodynamics is the interaction and regulation
of the personality through need fulfillment and resolution. Natural
aggression is the positive expression and assertion of an individual
acting in integrity. Integrity is the recognition of power that does not
require external domination to be fulfilled.
XVI. Defense mechanisms are the psychological effect of the individual's
unwillingness to acknowledge and discern archetypal conflict and accept
responsibility for the creation of reality experiences that arise from
definitions. The idea that we are powerless and need protection from
ourselves promotes this concept. Anxiety is the negative expression or
judgement against following one's bliss or excitement. Guilt is the
recognition of acting without integrity.
XVII. Action is the conviction of belief. The overcompensational
pendulum is the oscillation of guilt patterns that swing wildly and in
the extreme from actions of repression to actions of aggression. This
can occur within the life and from life to life.
XVIII. Feelings are reactions to beliefs. All of reality is created by
beliefs, concepts and definitions. The reigning need of the personality
drives the development and nurturing of belief definition acquired most
often through attachment in the early environment (first past life-then
early environment in this life). This is how we fulfill the higher self
and therefore indirectly the exploration of "All That Is" of itself.
XIX. The shadow self is the unconscious expression and polarity of the
conscious self. All attitudes and archetypes are expressed in masculine
and feminine terms. The Mandala is the primary archetype that permeates
all consciousness. In accordance with this concept is the four primary
temperament styles(along with the DNA bases forms the Four dimensions
Template) and the extroverted and introverted expression of them.
XX. The key to the prediction of behavior and experience is the
conscious awareness and understanding of unconscious belief patterning
and definition.
Secondly:
I. The universe is infinite in vibrational manifestation. Implied are
more unseen levels of vibration than seen. Absence of evidence, is not
evidence of absence.
II. Science consists of belief systems of knowledge called paradigms. A
paradigm is a set of assumptions. A paradigm does not seek to resolve
anomaly (deviation from the common rule), but seeks reinforcement of
"facts" to support the further articulation of the paradigm. This is
reflective of every system of belief possessing it's own reinforcing
logic.
III. Normal science is puzzle solving based on achievements providing a
foundation for further research. This definition qualifies astrology as
normal science. Science is the systematic study of knowledge gained
through the operation of laws.
IV. Astrology is not accepted by the scientific community because it is
not an accepted paradigm for further study and articulation. Science has
not seriously looked at it, it has a large propensity for anomaly.
Because of a lack of investigation it is believed to require faith to
function. A well thought out philosophical postulate can be as useful if
not more so, than a collection of "facts."
V. Heaven and hell are states of being based on the extent of covering
up or discovery of consciousness with regard to ourselves. Experiential
reality is not the result of seeing is believing but believing is seeing
that is the process of manifestation in the "real" world.
VI. Physical and non-physical reality is likened to a mind- matter
mirror. Everything in the universe is a continuous interlocking
vibratory web wherein space cannot be detached from any physical content
within it.
VII. Our consciousness is not in our body, our body is in and moves
through our consciousness.
VIII. Einstein's theories of relativity (gravitation- i.e., that space
is not "empty") reflect precisely the concept of astrological premise.
The four dimensions template manifests in bases of four and modes of
three. The pyramid reflects this basic format and structure.
IX. It appears ancient civilizations had much of the universal premise
already in application. Because time and space are essentially
illusions, this information still exists and is accessible through
states of mind. The number bases of 360 and 60 are very important to
astrological application and perspectives.
X. The current religious and political structures exist because we give
them our power from the belief that we as a society are inherently
negative and need protection.
XI. Art is the integrated expression and reception of the beautiful
received through the intuited use of more than one level of psychic
material. Colors, sound and shape are the effects of the perception of
vibrational frequency. The prism's refraction of light provides a good
analogy of spirit manifesting in matter. Astrology is an art as well as
a science.
XII. Our planet and place within the Universe is very small and
insignificant (at least physically). Intelligent life manifesting
elsewhere is statistically and logically more of a given than a
possibility.
XIII. Through process of reincarnation we experience different aspects
of the soul self. These selves are actually existing "all at once." We
forget our past selves because we refocus to material existence after
birth.
XIV. Astrology is the study of the interlocking vibratory frequencies
that reflect ideas and beliefs that are being expressed physically or
psychologically at any given moment.
XV. The counselor cannot participate in the science of following. We can
only help an individual rediscover things within him or herself that
they prefer to create and experience. There is no such thing as a
prediction of THE future because the future is determined to a great
extent by decisions and awareness acted upon now. All futures have equal
probability of manifestation when acted upon with trust. Astrologers
predict the future through a sensing of present energies that may change
depending on the awareness of the individuals involved. Accurate empathy
equates to analytical discernment in many ways.
Thirdly:
I. The "Mask of Eternity" is the symbol for the ego's entrance into
physicality and the loss of that transcendence as the effect of concept
polarization into pairs-both masculine and feminine as the product of
physical focus in materiality. The experiential template or natural
Zodiac is the tool for understanding the diffraction like light of the
spirit or soul in physicality through archetypal reference.
II. The "Christ" consciousness is the combined collective integration of
these archetypes in this system as one consciousness. Transcendence is
reintegration through developmental growth and being all that one can be
in their bliss and excitement with integrity.
III. DNA and other physical effects are the reflection of spiritual
templates, or spirit in its physical version.
IV. The natal or "birth" time horoscope is reflective of the artificial
construct that is created by the oversoul as a choice in expression in
physical life to "sound through" (the persona from personarae).
V. Time and space are effects of the physical dimension or 3D, and
allows for the natural flow of any idea in polarity as the template
reflects.
VI. The persona is likened to a crystal structure composed from
belief/emotion/thought and these parameters are clearly defined and
reflected through the experiential template or Zodiac.
VII. This Zodiac reveals 3 elemental modes of expression that are based
on the 4 elements of being as Fire/Earth/Air/Water. They manifest as
beliefs about reality with accompanying psychological modes of behavior
and needs and reveal the universal template from which DNA and molecular
structures arise.
VIII. The template is a hallway of experience that can be interpreted in
many ways at different levels, either spiritually, psychologically,
physiologically, mundanely. The duality of physicality also can be
experienced either positively or negatively. Each archetype has a
planetary lens or ruler that focuses and distributes the energy of that
archetype in our solar system.
IX. All of these levels work together as one thing to bring about
personalities, events and experiences as expressions within the mind of
"All That Is." These planets and signs are not outside of us they are
us-one level we view and experience from another level. All experiences
in physical reality, within this system, are definable by this template.
I. There are three basic symbols that manifest in physicality which all
can be derived or represented by the circle, the square or cross, and
the triangle.
II. The seasons are the effect of the division of the circle by 4, and
division is represented by the single line running through the circle.
This corresponds to the idea of negative energy I have discussed
previously. This division gives us the hemispheres or quadrants of the
horoscope and reflects the 4 dimensions template. It is the effect of
time and space and creates developmental tension. The cross of matter
creates the illusion of a soul separate from its source.
III. The division of the circle by 4 three times, gives us the Modes.
These modes express the division by 3 that gives us the Elements, the
fundamental belief systems manifesting in physicality. This number then,
12, is the basis for the creation and expression of the personality in
physical reality. This reflects belief, emotion, and thought, as the
cornerstones of this construction of the persona.
IV. These elements and modes initiate the law of momentum flow, that
not only helps determine the belief systems of the individual being
delineated, but helps us in profiling any idea within the Multiverse.
These Elements and quadruplicities are counted using a point system to
determine the identity's reliance in belief terms, upon them.
V. The Fire element reflects the trinity of identity and is
inspirational, Earth the trinity of materiality and is functional, Air
the trinity of idea interaction and is social, and Water the trinity of
belief momentum and is emotional.
VI. The Modes or quadruplicities are the way the elements are expressed
through Cardinal=Identity/status belief, Fixed=Worth/extension emotion,
Mutable=Information/perspective thought. They correspond to the Angular
(1,4,7,10), Succedent (2,5,8,11), and Cadent (3,6,9,12) houses
respectively.
VII. The planetary lens vibrational order is from the least dense to
the most- Pluto, Neptune, Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter, the asteroid belt,
Mars, Venus, Mercury, Sun, Moon, Earth. This also reflects to some
degree the flow of consciousness in the solar system in terms of most
unconscious to conscious. The Apex points reflect the culmination of the
interaction of the self with its creations.
VIII. The Universal premise of the artificial construct is reflected
through the Pyramid, DNA structure, subatomic particle model, the Bible
and ancient sexigesmal systems reflecting the octa and tetrahedral
structures geometrically. The Pyramid suggests this significance-that
man has known the structure of-this universal premise was shown first
through the metaphysical premise, now scientific, back to metaphysical.
A unified field theory seems feasible derived from this premise.
Fifth:
I. The Solar system (all solar systems) is a "type" of consciousness and
the planets within it are the "lenses" that focus the energies from
outside and within the system.
II. The planets and bodies in space are reflective of archetypal ideas
or references in physical reality and their sizes and orbits determine
the "level" of the psyche they reflect.
III. The boundaries of our system increases as our consciousness of
ourselves collectively increases. Keeping abreast of other
paradigms-astronomy especially-is important for the ever expanding
understanding of our universe and astrology.
IV. Comets reflect level changes and shifts in consciousness based on
proximity, size, orbit, and other parameters and conditions.
V. The outer planets of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are reflective of
collective perspectives and are only accessed on a personal basis when
aspects of ego focus are transformed and brought to resolution through
awareness.
VI. Uranus reflects the awakening of unconscious knowledge and freedom
from the illusion of physicality. Neptune reflects co-fusing the "other
worlds" and levels of consciousness as the ego dissolves through
transformation and transcendence. Pluto reflects the alteration of
perspective that occurs when we look at things from profound and altered
perspectives, and value structures as they change. Emotional
significance signifies its energy and effect.
VII. Saturn reflects the focus of the material world. It is the illusion
of focus and strategy and overcoming fears are its signature. It is the
format for testing one's ability to integrate aspects of the self
through interacting with their crystallized versions in the material
world.
VIII. Jupiter reflects expansion and awareness that is obtained through
conceptual interaction with divergent views and ideas. Ideas and
philosophies are the foundation of the Multiverse.
IX. The lenses of the persona begin at Mars and reflect the focused and
personal-ized aspects of identity. Mars=action as the conviction of
belief. There are two types of aggression, natural and unnatural.
Venus=the reflective or receptive side of the mask of persona, and is
the concept of marriage and union with other aspects of the self.
Mercury=how the identity perceives and thinks about the interaction of
the self and its environment. It is the eyes of understanding and
critical thinking about physical reality. Sun=the "light" of the system
or spirit that the planetary lenses focus into physical experience. It
distills (by sign and house) the energy of "All That Is" and brings it
into manifestation. Moon=the unconscious habit patterns and beliefs that
we believe we were deprived through nurturance (or focused on in the
extreme), and overcompensate to image-in ourselves to become.
X. Astrological delineation is an art as well as a science. There are
specific delineation sequences that aid in recognizing the law of
momentum flow of every horoscope. Asteroids, parts and other additions
add only nuance to deductions already discerned through major
delineation techniques, and must be regarded as such lest they confuse
the understanding primacy. All planets manifest in infinite levels and
this is determined by the persons resonance or level of awareness. They
have basic thematic or archetypal references.
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A. remove-to mail me
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>
> There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of all
> truths.
>
Why can't you update your web page, abuser?
>No one is original to this planet. Only the animals are. All
>humanoids are hybrids.
You have no evidence to support that claim, bozo. The claim
is just plain ludicrous.
>You're not original AT ALL.
I won't argue with that one.
--- Snip ---
> No one can convice anyone else of a belief system that they do not
> adhere to,
Then I guess you'll never be able to convince (note correct spelling) us
(TINU) that you are anything other than a kook, a fraud, a cheap con
artist, an illiterate moron, a thief, a low-life and a loser.
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> House Widdershins wrote:
>
<snippers>
>> >> But, you stated more than once "aliens are here". You have no
>> >> proof of this,
>
> No one is original to this planet. Only the animals are. All humanoids
> are hybrids.
I can believe you are! What other species did you mate with?
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>I can believe you are! What other species did you mate with?
Perhaps a slime mold?