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Brad Guth
Feb 18, 2013, 8:56:08 AM2/18/13
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It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than
10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day
or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on
the core energy). The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock
and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is
none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat
transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic
basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any
different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't
nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core
heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon.
Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal
with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition.
A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of
Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is
getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only
getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient
“Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with
respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior.”
The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be unique
and considerably different than Earth.
“The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a
variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest
method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a
hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical
composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.”
Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar
to those of terrestrial rocks. Of course there’s all sorts of actual
paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there
should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most
of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious
melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic
spewed basalts.
“A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify
minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with
a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates,
filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large
number of crystallographic properties.”
Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic
microscope” and multiple resources plus talent of interpreting such to
go along with it. Sadly this technology and its expertise of
interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want
outsiders having a public say about anything. So, once again, it
really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and
expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author
stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup
authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk.
TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove
both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and
valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe
habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. Unfortunately
this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet
like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core
energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2 as contributing way more
geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although
older and cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io
that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming
the cozy interior of our moon.
http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-school/lectures/planetary_interiors_surfaces_2011/HeatVolcanism_5.pdf
http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf
The likely two thirds (6.6e17~6.6e18 tonnes) worth of lose surface
basalt rock and dust including whatever 4+ billion years worth of
accumulated deposits, as remaining crystal dry on the naked surface of
our physically dark moon (not including the other good third portion
as having been dislodged and deposited on Earth) is a direct result of
the thousands of significant impacts, and especially as a result of
whatever created its South polar crater of 2500 km diameter, that
which all by itself should have contributed a minimum of 3e17 m3 or
possibly a maximum contribution of 1e18 m3 if including the planet
sized impactor contributions. Given the limited surface area of the
moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t exactly allow all that much surface
area for accommodating such volume of lose crater made fallout, and
perhaps due to much of its own basalt metallicity making its density
worth on average 3.5 tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated
carbon buckyballs. In that kind of hard vacuum, there really
shouldn’t be all that much porosity to any of its solidified basalt or
carbonado.
Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts
that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon
contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have
been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar
bedrock samples had been return to Earth. Sadly, no such samples or
even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era,
that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X-
ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what
little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface
tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place
else.
Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth
of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an
average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found
no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. Of
course, if that moon had created our Arctic ocean basin as of 11,712
years ago, would actually explain quite a bit.
How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked
moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock
according to our Apollo wizards?
10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day
or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on
the core energy). The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock
and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is
none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat
transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic
basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any
different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't
nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core
heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon.
Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal
with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition.
A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of
Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is
getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only
getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient
“Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with
respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior.”
The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be unique
and considerably different than Earth.
“The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a
variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest
method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a
hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical
composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.”
Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar
to those of terrestrial rocks. Of course there’s all sorts of actual
paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there
should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most
of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious
melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic
spewed basalts.
“A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify
minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with
a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates,
filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large
number of crystallographic properties.”
Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic
microscope” and multiple resources plus talent of interpreting such to
go along with it. Sadly this technology and its expertise of
interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want
outsiders having a public say about anything. So, once again, it
really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and
expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author
stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup
authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk.
TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove
both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and
valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe
habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. Unfortunately
this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet
like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core
energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2 as contributing way more
geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although
older and cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io
that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming
the cozy interior of our moon.
http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-school/lectures/planetary_interiors_surfaces_2011/HeatVolcanism_5.pdf
http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf
The likely two thirds (6.6e17~6.6e18 tonnes) worth of lose surface
basalt rock and dust including whatever 4+ billion years worth of
accumulated deposits, as remaining crystal dry on the naked surface of
our physically dark moon (not including the other good third portion
as having been dislodged and deposited on Earth) is a direct result of
the thousands of significant impacts, and especially as a result of
whatever created its South polar crater of 2500 km diameter, that
which all by itself should have contributed a minimum of 3e17 m3 or
possibly a maximum contribution of 1e18 m3 if including the planet
sized impactor contributions. Given the limited surface area of the
moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t exactly allow all that much surface
area for accommodating such volume of lose crater made fallout, and
perhaps due to much of its own basalt metallicity making its density
worth on average 3.5 tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated
carbon buckyballs. In that kind of hard vacuum, there really
shouldn’t be all that much porosity to any of its solidified basalt or
carbonado.
Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts
that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon
contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have
been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar
bedrock samples had been return to Earth. Sadly, no such samples or
even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era,
that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X-
ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what
little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface
tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place
else.
Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth
of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an
average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found
no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. Of
course, if that moon had created our Arctic ocean basin as of 11,712
years ago, would actually explain quite a bit.
How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked
moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock
according to our Apollo wizards?
Brad Guth
Feb 18, 2013, 2:17:29 PM2/18/13
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us a very good geology mineral map of the most easily accessible rare
elements, and a whole lot better understanding of those mascon issues,
suggesting that internal activity as well as via asteroid impacts have
created a highly complex and valuable cache of surface items for us to
mine, whereas with dozens of mostly robotic TBMs put hard at work, and
thereby safely operating deep into creating those underground secured
habitats by excavating and processing their spoils, is what represents
all sorts of mining and processing opportunities within easy reach,
not to mention the enormous value of simply utilizing its L1 and the
easily tethered dipole element that can reach from the lunar surface
and reaching out safely to within 6r of Earth.
Our NASA and DARPA simply didn't have to fake everything about our
moon, because they only had to fudge a little on those most risky
parts of their Apollo missions that we couldn't safely perform 40+
years ago (as supposedly having so much better capability and
reliability than we can accomplish nowadays), of which the best of
modern fly-by-rocket lander capability offers us a kind of zilch worth
of any viable fly-by-rocket lander that could be deployed and honestly
trusted to perform without a hitch. Perhaps by this time next year
we’ll have that failsafe fly-by-rocket lander in production.
"Just because the government lies, doesn't mean that everyone else is
telling the truth.” / Bast
However, accomplishing one-way soft or semi-hard landings and
obviously obtaining science via methods of impacting have been
technically doable, as have a limited degree of robotic accomplished
deployments on behalf of performing assorted science that's
unfortunately offered us extremely limited access to our public funded
science, especially since practically nothing of those instruments has
ever been established as fully interactive and as such having never
been allowed to be independently accessed and utilized for the greater
good by those of us outside of NASA, DARPA or even by anything
Russian, as for privately obtaining their very own direct and raw
science about the physically dark and naked surface of our
paramagnetic moon, which still remains as strictly closed-door or
simply nondisclosure/taboo rated. What little we think we know about
our moon is 100% derived from the victors of our mutually perpetrated
cold-war era, in that each side having numerous motives, means and
opportunity to snooker and dumbfound us into accepting and obviously
paying for everything.
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Feb 18, 2013, 2:54:08 PM2/18/13
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matter of how often those 1+ tonne rocks arrive. Fortunately most
haven’t been of any sufficient metallicity density, as otherwise we’d
be having to deal with those pesky craters from their impacts in
addition to their supersonic entry of explosive shockwaves.
The arriving Sirius Oort cloud should offer at least a million times
as many items as our Oort cloud has to offer, and perhaps on average
offering a thousand times greater individual mass than items of our
own Oort cloud has to offer. Most of us have no idea as to how
massive those Sirius stars were to begin with, and we apparently don’t
want to even contemplate as to the vast extent and massive nature of
what its 8 light year radius Oort cloud has to offer as it encounters
our Oort cloud.
This latest episode of asteroid encounters is becoming more than once
a day that a 10+ tonne rock is directed at us or otherwise encountered
by Earth. Is this going to be considered as too often or about right?
Obviously our planet encounters thousands of those kg or less massive
items most every day (for the most part vaporizing well before surface
contact), although lucky us because, apparently not much of anything
encountered Earth or that of our naked moon throughout all of the
Apollo era (even the sun remained passive, w/o UV or X-rays according
to all of their Kodak film, not to mention local gamma and hard-X-rays
were never an issue, as well as any contrast or dynamic range
limitations of their Kodak film).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteorite
According to many others that extensively research into this influx,
whereas roughly 3650 thousand tonnes of stuff gets encountered by our
planet every year (10,000 tonnes/day), and fortunately the vast
majority (99.9%) being of items less than a kg that for the most part
never reach the surface, although some meteorite remainders plus loads
of the really small and low density stuff does manage to filter
through. That’s getting those bigger than kg items down to the dull
roar of perhaps 3650 tonnes per year or 10 tonnes/day that we’ll get
to duck and take cover from, with perhaps only a small percentage
(less than 25%) of that mass surviving its atmospheric entry enough to
impact or land on the surface. Of course those of bigger than 10
tonne items stand a somewhat better chance of getting through and
landing on the surface, especially if comprised of fused basalt or
carbonado along with a sufficient percentage of heavy metals that make
them diamagnetic or even paramagnetic.
There’s actually several teratonnes of paramagnetic basalt from
encountering and capturing our physically dark moon, that’s easily
accessible right on or near the surface and otherwise mostly hidden
under oceans of water. Now that’s what a real nasty asteroid
encounter can deliver in addition to its ice and considerable
lithobraking trauma, is another ocean basin and a little extra
seasonal tilt in addition to depositing teratonnes of new material
that’ll stick mostly with Earth, rather than cling to any captured
asteroids or moon. At least according to our NASA/Apollo era of their
supposedly objectively exploring the naked surface of our moon,
whereas something cleaned off the vast majority of its lose material.
Brad Guth
Feb 26, 2013, 7:28:45 AM2/26/13
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On Feb 18, 5:56 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
exploitation of our moon, Venus or even that of utilizing their L1 or
L2, has been so systematically policy taboo/nondisclosure controlled
by those of our mainstream status-quo facade of authority, in that
any honest attempt of a given topic to expose is automatically
forbidden (other than being topic/author stalked and trashed for all
those at risk of façade exposure can muster).
As soon as any topic or its author is the least bit suggestive that
our government is capable of not having told us the whole truth about
anything, a gauntlet of all sorts of topic/author stalking hell breaks
loose on behalf of mainstream damage-control.
Of course we also do not see any K-12s anywhere within public Usenet/
newsgroups for a darn good reason, because freedom of speech is
actually managed as something entirely conditional as to the audience
at hand. This is also why most institutionalized prisoners are never
given internet access as to any public forums or mainstream media that
might offer an audience that isn’t being controlled or manipulated,
and most Americans as well as other Nations of oligarch controlled
intellect seem to like it that way.
Social media forums like Facebook, Twitter and even Google+ are
equally managed on a client by client basis, of receiving context as
well as for transmitting information to any other given client or
group/circle of friends, making it really quite downright handy for
our NSA/CIA and you name it agency or special-interest group of
pretentious or self-righteous authority to monitor as well as to step
right in and covertly control opr dominate any given situation,
because public publishing of too much truth isn’t actually tolerated.
Nowadays, mainstream internet and especially intranet servers are
capable of managing each individual client, as to whatever they get to
see, because most Americans are simply not smart enough to get past
the mainstream façade.
“Façade is an artificial intelligence-based art/research experiment in
electronic narrative – an attempt to move beyond traditional branching
or hyper-linked ...”
Façade/facade: “An artificial or deceptive front: ideological slogans
that were a façade for geopolitical power struggles.”
Most proxy wars are essentially façades for reasons that the general
public isn’t allowed to discover, and the ongoing ruse and usually FUD
involved within our mainstream façade, is quite real, as is the faith-
based façade that’s continually indoctrinated into us from birth to
grave.
On the other positive/constructive hand; where’s the down side to off-
world exploitations?
Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus,
using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or magnify
this mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon, shouldn’t be
asking too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic
software variations tend to accomplish this enlargement process
automatically (including iPhone and Safari), although some extra
filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the
end result (no direct pixel modifications are ever necessary).
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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Brad Guth
Feb 26, 2013, 7:31:15 AM2/26/13
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How many recall my LSE-CM/ISS, of efficiently getting stuff to/from
our moon.
our moon.
Brad Guth
Feb 27, 2013, 12:02:53 PM2/27/13
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Off-world terraforming shouldn't be restricted as for accommodating
Goldilocks, because that would be really stupid as to exclude the
other 99.9% of planets and moons suitable for robotic exploitation and
technical habitats for science and whatever human expertise needed in
addition to the robotics.
> https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...
Goldilocks, because that would be really stupid as to exclude the
other 99.9% of planets and moons suitable for robotic exploitation and
technical habitats for science and whatever human expertise needed in
addition to the robotics.
nartrof seven
Feb 27, 2013, 1:15:54 PM2/27/13
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> read more »
Requiring more needless technology just because you're afraid that
kind of technology won't be used on earth (for other than drone
technology), is no excuse for giving up Goldilocks R&D, especially if
the nasty eugenicist, globalist science of technocracy is gaining
steam worldwide, and 'drone kills' are actually becoming a sign of
nationalistic pride (like Nazi) when Americans turn on themselves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHEL2C6oCg8
Homeland Security sending out drones to check on private gun sales,
casting gun owners as criminals. Where are Americans as "patriots"
with drone strikes on U.S. soil??? Yet our own G. Groups is where/when
this kind of technocracy runs amok:
http://groups.google.com/group/drones-discuss
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa/msg/238ff88f10399334
IMO this sets a bad example for validating anything THIS country might
be trying to achieve off-world. But if it's some kind of twisted pop
culture that's driving the glorification of these pseudo-gamers or
remote operators worldwide, then what the hell is in it for the rest
of us???
Brad Guth
Feb 27, 2013, 1:35:10 PM2/27/13
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>
> IMO this sets a bad example for validating anything THIS country might
> be trying to achieve off-world. But if it's some kind of twisted pop
> culture that's driving the glorification of these pseudo-gamers or
> remote operators worldwide, then what the hell is in it for the rest
> of us???
Indeed, we have more than our fair share of terrestrial and domestic
> IMO this sets a bad example for validating anything THIS country might
> be trying to achieve off-world. But if it's some kind of twisted pop
> culture that's driving the glorification of these pseudo-gamers or
> remote operators worldwide, then what the hell is in it for the rest
> of us???
issues that we need to contend with, but not each and every soul on
Earth has to devote their personal resources and talents into
resolving those issues, even though they should.
I would love seeing most of the oligarch orchestrated FUD and their
cloak and dagger skulduggery terminated, but since I'm not an upper
caste oligarch is perhaps why anything you or I do isn't going to make
a significant difference, if anything at all better for the world.
Do you have a plan for avoiding the next proxy war and otherwise
salvaging our frail environment?
Brad Guth
Feb 27, 2013, 1:36:12 PM2/27/13
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Off-world terraforming shouldn't be restricted as only for
accommodating Goldilocks, because that would be really pathetic or
just plain stupid, as to exclude or banish the other 99.9% of planets
and moons suitable for robotic exploitation and even special logistic
habitats for accommodating engineering, science and whatever human
technical expertise needed in addition to their robotics.
The nearly 50 km or 30 mile wide comet/asteroid that has a high
probability of encountering Mars late in 2014 could go either way, as
very badly or conceivably contribute to whatever Mars already has to
offer. Even a near-miss should cause a partial breakup of this comet
and cause considerable seismic trauma if it passed within 1.1r (339 km
above the surface).
“comet C/2013 A1 will buzz Mars on Oct. 19, 2014”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/2013_A1
There’s even a slim possibility of a glancing blow that’ll lithobrake
and enable Mars to capture most of the icy and solid remainders of
this one, leaving Mars with a seriously big dent, a greater seasonal
tilt and/or possibly some measurable orbital shift, as well as a
percentage of the secondary shards coming our way. If the body and
core of this one is mostly ice, means that the average density isn’t
going to be much greater than 1 g/cm3. However, it could host a 25 km
solid core of nickel-iron, and that’s going to be capable of
delivering a lethal blow that could mess up the atmosphere of Mars for
several years.
Meanwhile, our physically dark and naked moon with its mostly
paramagnetic basalt crust that’s way tougher than the crust of Earth,
as well as the extremely nearby planet Venus have lots to offer as is.
> http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-school/lectures/planetary_interior...
accommodating Goldilocks, because that would be really pathetic or
just plain stupid, as to exclude or banish the other 99.9% of planets
and moons suitable for robotic exploitation and even special logistic
habitats for accommodating engineering, science and whatever human
technical expertise needed in addition to their robotics.
The nearly 50 km or 30 mile wide comet/asteroid that has a high
probability of encountering Mars late in 2014 could go either way, as
very badly or conceivably contribute to whatever Mars already has to
offer. Even a near-miss should cause a partial breakup of this comet
and cause considerable seismic trauma if it passed within 1.1r (339 km
above the surface).
“comet C/2013 A1 will buzz Mars on Oct. 19, 2014”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/2013_A1
There’s even a slim possibility of a glancing blow that’ll lithobrake
and enable Mars to capture most of the icy and solid remainders of
this one, leaving Mars with a seriously big dent, a greater seasonal
tilt and/or possibly some measurable orbital shift, as well as a
percentage of the secondary shards coming our way. If the body and
core of this one is mostly ice, means that the average density isn’t
going to be much greater than 1 g/cm3. However, it could host a 25 km
solid core of nickel-iron, and that’s going to be capable of
delivering a lethal blow that could mess up the atmosphere of Mars for
several years.
Meanwhile, our physically dark and naked moon with its mostly
paramagnetic basalt crust that’s way tougher than the crust of Earth,
as well as the extremely nearby planet Venus have lots to offer as is.
nartrof seven
Feb 27, 2013, 2:16:25 PM2/27/13
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>
> > IMO this sets a bad example for validating anything THIS country might
> > be trying to achieve off-world. But if it's some kind of twisted pop
> > culture that's driving the glorification of these pseudo-gamers or
> > remote operators worldwide, then what the hell is in it for the rest
> > of us???
>
> Indeed, we have more than our fair share of terrestrial and domestic
> issues that we need to contend with, but not each and every soul on
> Earth has to devote their personal resources and talents into
> resolving those issues, even though they should.
>
> I would love seeing most of the oligarch orchestrated FUD and their
> cloak and dagger skulduggery terminated, but since I'm not an upper
> caste oligarch is perhaps why anything you or I do isn't going to make
> a significant difference, if anything at all better for the world.
>
> Do you have a plan for avoiding the next proxy war and otherwise
> salvaging our frail environment?
WHY WOULD an Air Force of the "In God We Trust" states of the supposed
> > IMO this sets a bad example for validating anything THIS country might
> > be trying to achieve off-world. But if it's some kind of twisted pop
> > culture that's driving the glorification of these pseudo-gamers or
> > remote operators worldwide, then what the hell is in it for the rest
> > of us???
>
> Indeed, we have more than our fair share of terrestrial and domestic
> issues that we need to contend with, but not each and every soul on
> Earth has to devote their personal resources and talents into
> resolving those issues, even though they should.
>
> I would love seeing most of the oligarch orchestrated FUD and their
> cloak and dagger skulduggery terminated, but since I'm not an upper
> caste oligarch is perhaps why anything you or I do isn't going to make
> a significant difference, if anything at all better for the world.
>
> Do you have a plan for avoiding the next proxy war and otherwise
> salvaging our frail environment?
United States, be interested only in terrestrial strikes, when there
are at least 1/3 of fallen angels to contend with, who have possessed
humanity, and are clandestinely operating as Luciferians world-wide?
Is it because our leaders forgot that we were involved in a spiritual
battle, and not exactly a "gun sales" one? Or is it that gun ownership
is just some youthful extension of executing the situational ethic of
final judgement more, than the mature effort of a social science, that
goes into building drones?
IMO we're looking at our population curve in slow-motion BACKWARDS,
and should now be letting the older, wiser technology lead the way -
but since the way that money has been made throughout most all of
recent history, only popular culture seems to be getting most of the
attention - which is probably why the drones are getting so much
attention. But it strictly doesn't have to be a military thing, as
much as 'para-military'. That's probably where the 'rubber meets the
road' for pushing the adaptive-technology envelope, but I'm not all
that sure that most of the legalizing airspace non-taxpaying
authorities would agree.
That is where the battle line needs to be drawn - in the airspace.
The rising of military pride and/or nationalism happens, when more
Americans believe that drones are useful "killing machines", rather
than "remote observation posts". There is an ENEMY WITHIN that refuses
or cannot expand territorily beyond earth orbit, as long as any
observer of these "distractions" can bring CREDIBILITY to the markets
endorsing them as being more "regionally conflicting" than "newly
colonial and revolutionary".
Patriotism (or love of country) should not be confused with
nationalism, or a desire to "out" the other. One of the
characteristics of an advanced society is the ability of that society
to take care of those who are less fortunate, or prosperous, than
those who are despots.
The other, less known characteristic of an advanced society, is that
it will always be willing to reinvent itself, and get rid of the
useless red tape, that weighs it down in achieving the most
environmentally friendly geography, airspace, or even solar system.
Anti-Drone Weaponry for Interstellar Propulsion System Adaptation
Adherents
The understanding of closed circuit electrons, moving around in
completely manipulated systems of inprisoning components, ignores open
circuit interactions that can be used as collection systems of
aetheristic radiant energy. Motor-in-the-magnet energy can become
reduced to electromagnetic or ion fields of the engineer's own 'non-
closed system' of electronic design.
For example, instantaneous transmission of gravitational virtual
quanta can enable virtual remote control of saucer-shaped, anti-drone
disks, which can travel at extremely high velocity: ~25 mi/sec, within
a 1,000 mile radius of operation. Miniature cold fusion power systems
installed at the base of each ionically charged disc, supplies an
unlimited supply of energy for each anti-drone and each anti-drone's
weaponized hi-powered Star-Wars laser system:
http://www.politomatic.com/news/laser-tests-evoke-regans-star-wars-plan/
Real time terrain imaging is navigated by coordinating with landmarks
and/or monitoring of remote GPS-location, while the propulsion system
acquires the gravimetric for negative ion propulsion. Each gravimetric
can be resolved to within + or - 2% according to the time of day:
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9448/gravimap.jpg
Once the target has been identified using motion-sensitive hi-speed
SAR, coordinates of the enemy drone are locked into the anti-drone's
remote tracking system. Within seconds upon arrival into an affected
area, proximity-located drones can be eliminated within seconds, as
new targets are acquired, again retreating the anti-drone into a
stationary observation point, and refreshing the SAR screen of the
remote operator.
Brad Guth
Feb 27, 2013, 3:30:37 PM2/27/13
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"pink slips" on day one, plus I imposed a 10% reduction in government
spending for each of the next ten years. Obviously none of that plan
ever happened.
The upper 0.0001% of humanity are the oligarchs in charge. Making
them happy campers at any cost is what the job of the lower 99.9999%
of humanity has to do, or else.
That's only one out of every million of us that we'll need to cull,
and even at that some of these upper caste oligarchs are good guys.
Unfortunately, since they seldom if ever police their own mafia kind,
we may have little option other than eliminating each and every one of
them in order to save ourselves and the global environment.
The anti-drone tactic you mention could offer us a brief tactical and
technical advantage, at least until they catch on.
I believe it's best to eliminate the basic root motivation and
otherwise disrupt the rewards of public funding and global inflation
that oligarchs seem hooked on. In other words, a one time crusade of
eliminating .0001% of humanity is only a reduction of 7000
individuals, or roughly the amount this world kills off by way of
proxy wars, hospital mistakes, cars, trucks, buses and via aircraft
per day, or conservatively 26 million per year, because there's also
civil wars, starvation, floods, earthquakes, storms and asteroid
encounters that'll only make it so much worse.
In other words, I still like my plan better than yours, because my
plan strives to eliminate the root cause of most of our global
inflation and proxy wars, whereas your plan keeps the upper caste of
our mostly public funded mafia oligarchs in charge.
Shouldn't we make a public listing of the top 7000 that'll have to go?
How many rich and powerful mafia or cult/cabal oligarchs do you think
Earth can afford to keep?
Brad Guth
Feb 27, 2013, 3:40:45 PM2/27/13
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Off-world terraforming shouldn't be restricted, as only intended for
Submarines are a logistics solution for humans exploring and/or
exploiting underwater resources, as are airships intended for their
own kind of lofty logistics support on behalf of accommodating humans
at great altitudes and covering vast distances. This doesn’t mean
that our oceans need be drained or the sky filled up with piles of
dirt in order that us humans as naked Goldilocks can be Eden
accommodated via extreme terraforming.
The nearly 50 km or 30 mile wide comet/asteroid that has a high
probability of encountering Mars late in 2014 could go either way, as
very badly or conceivably contribute to whatever Mars already has to
offer. Even a near-miss should cause a partial breakup of this comet
and cause considerable seismic trauma if it passed within 1.1r (339 km
above the surface).
“comet C/2013 A1 will buzz Mars on Oct. 19, 2014”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/2013_A1
There’s even a slim possibility of a glancing blow that’ll lithobrake
and enable Mars to capture most of the icy and solid remainders of
this one, leaving Mars with a seriously big dent, a greater seasonal
tilt and/or possibly some measurable perturbed orbital shift, as well
than the relatively thin crust of Earth, as well as the extremely
nearby planet Venus have lots of nifty elements to offer as is.
> http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-school/lectures/planetary_interior...
accommodating Goldilocks, because that would be really pathetic or
just plain stupid, as to exclude or banish the other 99.9% of planets
and moons suitable for robotic exploitation and even special logistic
habitats for accommodating engineering, science and whatever human
technical expertise needed in addition to their robotics.
just plain stupid, as to exclude or banish the other 99.9% of planets
and moons suitable for robotic exploitation and even special logistic
habitats for accommodating engineering, science and whatever human
Submarines are a logistics solution for humans exploring and/or
exploiting underwater resources, as are airships intended for their
own kind of lofty logistics support on behalf of accommodating humans
at great altitudes and covering vast distances. This doesn’t mean
that our oceans need be drained or the sky filled up with piles of
dirt in order that us humans as naked Goldilocks can be Eden
accommodated via extreme terraforming.
The nearly 50 km or 30 mile wide comet/asteroid that has a high
probability of encountering Mars late in 2014 could go either way, as
very badly or conceivably contribute to whatever Mars already has to
offer. Even a near-miss should cause a partial breakup of this comet
and cause considerable seismic trauma if it passed within 1.1r (339 km
above the surface).
“comet C/2013 A1 will buzz Mars on Oct. 19, 2014”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/2013_A1
There’s even a slim possibility of a glancing blow that’ll lithobrake
and enable Mars to capture most of the icy and solid remainders of
this one, leaving Mars with a seriously big dent, a greater seasonal
as a percentage of the secondary shards coming our way. If the body
and core of this one is mostly ice, means that the average density
isn’t going to be much greater than 1 g/cm3. However, it could host a
25 km solid core of nickel-iron, and that’s going to be capable of
delivering a lethal blow that could mess up the atmosphere of Mars for
several years.
Meanwhile, our physically dark and naked moon with its mostly
paramagnetic basalt crust that’s nearly 100% fused and way tougher
and core of this one is mostly ice, means that the average density
isn’t going to be much greater than 1 g/cm3. However, it could host a
25 km solid core of nickel-iron, and that’s going to be capable of
delivering a lethal blow that could mess up the atmosphere of Mars for
several years.
Meanwhile, our physically dark and naked moon with its mostly
than the relatively thin crust of Earth, as well as the extremely
nearby planet Venus have lots of nifty elements to offer as is.
nartrof seven
Feb 27, 2013, 4:06:22 PM2/27/13
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http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2013/02/6-mile-high-statue-found-on-the-moon-video-2455180.html
VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6ggirhnTm4
Looking at the side of "Guyot crater" (abt 24:35 into video),
a 17 mile long shadow of a statue is being cast over the moon. Guess
who's shadow??? It's a 6 mile-high statue of Jesus Christ in a robe!!!
We're already there, and now it's time to start a NEW EXODUS. The
shackles of earth imprisonment have been broken. The Kingdom of Heaven
will henceforth be taken BY FORCE.
X-ray energy is now able to be generated and emitted in very
directional fashion by initially forming x-rays within a bi-polar
superconductor tube shape, producing an energy field, where the
internal diameter of bi-polar energy is two wavelength diameters of
relevant x-rays. This is considered to be intensifying energy by
compact generation of wavelength energy, wavelength dependent.
The X-ray laser can also act as a focused and directed micro-
electronics circuit destroyer on drones and electronic circuits inside
buildings. Since it is a simple matter of generating higher energy
states of x-ray within multiple beam energy commonalities where
several beams intersect, any matter intercepting the X-ray beam will
become fused.
A device of this nature would incorporate wavelengths long enough to
generate the Miessner Field so that the x-rays can expel off a formed
bi-polar field. Superconductors appear to be invisible to x-ray
wavelengths because cell formation within the superconductor (e.g.
YBCO) is separated by sufficient space that x-rays travel through
undisturbed by non-formed Miessner fields.
It is thus required to generate longer wavelengths in parallel with x-
ray generation. This will cause the Miessner field formation via long
wavelengths and x-ray expulsion from the formed bi-polar Field,
inducing effective reflection of x-rays. Problems inherent with the
focusing device are Thermal Shock, when the focusing crystal is
exposed to liquid Nitrogen, and matter contraction, which causes the
focus lens to shape change. This could probably be handled with the
use of metamaterials.
Brad Guth
Feb 27, 2013, 10:33:38 PM2/27/13
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For more than a decade, I've already stated why our moon is worth
going after.
Interpret "GuthVenus" using your own PhotoShop or whatever digital
imaging enhancement software.
“GuthVenus” at 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
Brad Guth
Feb 28, 2013, 2:39:51 AM2/28/13
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>
> - Show quoted text -
With all the deep mineral colors and extremely nifty contrast of our
physically dark moon remaining as taboo/nondisclosure rated, it's a
wonder that our NASA-Apollo era could even accomplish their mostly
monochromatic images. Fortunately their Kodak film with unfiltered
full-bandwidth optics outperformed terrestrial applications by at
least 4 db in order to eliminate most of that pesky contrast, as well
as unaffected by heat and radiation.
Double-A
Mar 1, 2013, 4:58:41 PM3/1/13
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How do ww get the moon underground so we can transform it there?
Dobule-A
Dobule-A
Brad Guth
Mar 1, 2013, 9:38:31 PM3/1/13
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On Mar 1, 1:58 pm, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:
> How do ww get the moon underground so we can transform it there?
>
> Dobule-A
Good one.
> How do ww get the moon underground so we can transform it there?
>
> Dobule-A
According to our NASA/Apollo era, our naked moon surface is quite
monochromatic, nicely sunlight reflective, inert and thus not even the
least bit UV, X-ray or gamma reactive. Kodak film even gets more
radiated going once through our TSA inspections, than spending more
than a whole day on the naked moon plus another 3 days going each way.
Apparently there's a 3rd generation Van Allen belt that comes and
goes, and it's so much worse that our NASA wasn't willing to even tell
us how much higher dosage than the annual average of 200,000 rads of
what our GSO satellites have to survive.
Putting large TBMs on that passive and failsafe surface of our naked
moon shouldn't be any problem, because all we nave to do is scale up
those Apollo fly-by-rocket landers that worked perfectly.
Brad Guth
Mar 3, 2013, 4:38:30 PM3/3/13
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On Mar 1, 1:58 pm, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:
> How do ww get the moon underground so we can transform it there?
>
> Dobule-A
Small robotic TBMs could accomplish wonders inside of our moon,
>
> Dobule-A
although once sufficiently tunneled into that paramagnetic basalt,
along with inflated airlocks, makes for an ideal human habitat that’s
failsafe from almost anything. The really big TBMs capable of digging
at a rate of 64 +/-32 meters per day (depending on bedrock
composition).
http://www.herrenknecht.com/news/press-section/records-tumble-at-the-cabrera-tunnel.html
http://www.moorerail.com/tunnel/construction.asp
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/8117
According to our NASA/Apollo era, our naked moon surface is quite
as well as nicely sunlight reflective (not to mention quite nicely
planetshine illuminated), mostly inert and thus not even the least bit
UV, X-ray or gamma reactive. Kodak film even gets more radiated going
once through our TSA inspections, than spending more than a whole day
on the naked moon plus another 3 days going each way.
Apparently there's a 3rd generation Van Allen belt that comes and
goes, and apparently it's so much worse that our public funded NASA
once through our TSA inspections, than spending more than a whole day
on the naked moon plus another 3 days going each way.
Apparently there's a 3rd generation Van Allen belt that comes and
wasn't willing to even tell us how much higher dosage than the annual
average of 200,000 rads (shielded by 5/16” aluminum) of what our GSO
satellites have to survive.
Putting large TBMs on that passive and failsafe surface of our naked
moon shouldn't be any problem, because all we nave to do is scale up
those Apollo fly-by-rocket landers that worked perfectly.
Who says that our NASA/Apollo and DARPA era of our “paperclip SS
Putting large TBMs on that passive and failsafe surface of our naked
moon shouldn't be any problem, because all we nave to do is scale up
those Apollo fly-by-rocket landers that worked perfectly.
Nazis” running our greatest cold-war show on Earth, was not just for
fun and games, as well as for terrific job security and butt loads of
our hard earned loot for the oligarchs in charge of our military
industrial complex.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gem10A4yt5w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxH0EUbmV_o
Apparently the other Kodak SS Nazi crew in charge of our NASA/Apollo
media hype and pulling off their grand ruse/sting of the century,
hadn’t mastered the common sense to involve those as supposedly having
actually walked on our physically dark moon, and thereby making those
pesky mistakes after mistakes as though not a soul on Earth would ever
notice.
Brad Guth
Mar 5, 2013, 12:36:04 AM3/5/13
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This is yet another “I told you so”.
It’s certainly heating up, as one by one we get to play dodge
asteroid. Almost daily an undiscovered asteroid sneaks past our
radars as it passes inside of our moon’s orbit, and it’ll be those of
retrograde added velocity that’ll impose the greatest threat.
2013 EC as yet another 16 meter killer asteroid that could have been
headed directly for us. For all we know, as the Sirius Oort cloud
closes in, we’re in for a gauntlet of even bigger surprises unless
observations pick up and our radars are never turned off.
Too bad our spendy JWST can’t be counted on, because the Sirius Oort
cloud that has lots to offer is going to keep us wondering, what’s
next.
At least once we’ve tunneled ourselves deep into our moon, we’ll be
safe from all but the most planet killer asteroids or planetoids
headed our way via Sirius.
> http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-school/lectures/planetary_interior...
It’s certainly heating up, as one by one we get to play dodge
asteroid. Almost daily an undiscovered asteroid sneaks past our
radars as it passes inside of our moon’s orbit, and it’ll be those of
retrograde added velocity that’ll impose the greatest threat.
2013 EC as yet another 16 meter killer asteroid that could have been
headed directly for us. For all we know, as the Sirius Oort cloud
closes in, we’re in for a gauntlet of even bigger surprises unless
observations pick up and our radars are never turned off.
Too bad our spendy JWST can’t be counted on, because the Sirius Oort
cloud that has lots to offer is going to keep us wondering, what’s
next.
At least once we’ve tunneled ourselves deep into our moon, we’ll be
safe from all but the most planet killer asteroids or planetoids
headed our way via Sirius.
Double-A
Mar 5, 2013, 4:59:59 PM3/5/13
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On Mar 4, 9:36 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is yet another “I told you so”.
>
> It’s certainly heating up, as one by one we get to play dodge
> asteroid. Almost daily an undiscovered asteroid sneaks past our
> radars as it passes inside of our moon’s orbit, and it’ll be those of
> retrograde added velocity that’ll impose the greatest threat.
>
> 2013 EC as yet another 16 meter killer asteroid that could have been
> headed directly for us. For all we know, as the Sirius Oort cloud
> closes in, we’re in for a gauntlet of even bigger surprises unless
> observations pick up and our radars are never turned off.
>
> Too bad our spendy JWST can’t be counted on, because the Sirius Oort
> cloud that has lots to offer is going to keep us wondering, what’s
> next.
>
> At least once we’ve tunneled ourselves deep into our moon, we’ll be
> safe from all but the most planet killer asteroids or planetoids
> headed our way via Sirius.
Considering all the huge crators wee can see on the Moon, it may not
> This is yet another “I told you so”.
>
> It’s certainly heating up, as one by one we get to play dodge
> asteroid. Almost daily an undiscovered asteroid sneaks past our
> radars as it passes inside of our moon’s orbit, and it’ll be those of
> retrograde added velocity that’ll impose the greatest threat.
>
> 2013 EC as yet another 16 meter killer asteroid that could have been
> headed directly for us. For all we know, as the Sirius Oort cloud
> closes in, we’re in for a gauntlet of even bigger surprises unless
> observations pick up and our radars are never turned off.
>
> Too bad our spendy JWST can’t be counted on, because the Sirius Oort
> cloud that has lots to offer is going to keep us wondering, what’s
> next.
>
> At least once we’ve tunneled ourselves deep into our moon, we’ll be
> safe from all but the most planet killer asteroids or planetoids
> headed our way via Sirius.
be the best place to avoid asteroids!
Double-A
Brad Guth
Mar 5, 2013, 9:11:59 PM3/5/13
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offers an ideal asteroid shield, as long as your TBM is tunneling
1000+ meters under that bedrock surface. It would take a typical 10
km diameter asteroid to penetrate 1 km, although a mostly iron
asteroid could produce a 5 km deep pocket, and a retrograde encounter
could possibly get half again or deeper.
Brad Guth
Mar 6, 2013, 12:25:14 PM3/6/13
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On Mar 5, 1:59 pm, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:
density is what offers an ideal asteroid shield, as long as your TBM
is tunneling 1000+ meters under that tough bedrock surface. It would
take a typical 10 km diameter asteroid to penetrate 1 km, although a
mostly iron and nickel asteroid that could produce a 5 km deep pocket,
and a retrograde encounter could possibly get half again or possibly
deeper.
Brad Guth
Mar 6, 2013, 5:16:51 PM3/6/13
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On Mar 4, 9:36 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
deep into our moon. At least if we knew of a monster asteroid having
a good chance of nailing Earth, whereas a few lucky humans could be
safely accommodated within our moon, where the odds of surviving could
be a thousandfold better off than sitting it out here on Earth.
Brad Guth
Mar 12, 2013, 1:04:42 PM3/12/13
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should have been started as of decades ago. Instead we still got
nothing of any direct benefit out of our NASA/Apollo era, other than
mutually perpetrated cold-war grief and loads of global inflation that
only makes oligarchs happy campers.
Brad Guth
Mar 13, 2013, 2:31:37 PM3/13/13
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It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than
10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day
the core energy). The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock
and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is
none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat
transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic
basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any
different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't
nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core
heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon.
Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal
with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition.
A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of
Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions, most of
and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is
none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat
transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic
basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any
different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't
nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core
heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon.
Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal
with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition.
A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of
which being underwater) is getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas
our moon is supposedly only getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an
8th as much), not to mention the substantial ongoing leakage or
upwelling loss of helium.
simply do not want outsiders having a public say about anything. So,
once again, it really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied
technology and expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to
be topic/author stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/
newsgroup authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk.
TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove
both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and
valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe
habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. Unfortunately
this method of using TBMs can not be applied on such a geodynamically
technology and expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to
be topic/author stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/
newsgroup authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk.
TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove
both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and
valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe
habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. Unfortunately
active planet like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more
primordial core energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2, contributing way
more geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer,
although older and cooler planets or especially any number of their
moons (except for Io that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be offering
somewhat similar opportunities as to terraforming the cozy interior of
our moon.
http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-school/lectures/planetary_interiors_surfaces_2011/HeatVolcanism_5.pdf
http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf
(math correction) The likely two thirds (6.6e17~6.6e18 kg) worth of
http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-school/lectures/planetary_interiors_surfaces_2011/HeatVolcanism_5.pdf
http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf
lose surface basalt rock and dust including whatever 4+ billion years
worth of accumulated deposits could push that upwards of 7.35e18 kg (.
01% of the lunar mass), as remaining lose and crystal dry on the naked
surface of our physically dark moon (not including the other good
third portion as having been dislodged and deposited on Earth), is a
direct result of the thousands of significant impacts, and especially
as a direct result of whatever created its South polar crater of 2500
km diameter, that which all by itself should have contributed a
minimum of 3e17 m3 or possibly a maximum all-inclusive contribution of
1e18 m3 if we included the planet sized impactor contributions. Given
the limited surface area of the moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t
exactly allow all that much surface area for accommodating such volume
of lose crater made shards and dust fallout, and perhaps due to much
exactly allow all that much surface area for accommodating such volume
of its own basalt metallicity making its density worth on average 3.5
tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated carbon buckyballs,
whereas in that kind of hard vacuum there really shouldn’t be all that
much if any porosity to its solidified basalt or carbonado.
Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts
that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon
contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have
been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar
bedrock samples had been return to Earth. Sadly, no such samples or
even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era,
that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X-
ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what
little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface
tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place
else.
Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth
of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an
average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found
no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. Of
tilt as of 11,712 years ago, would actually explain quite a bit.
How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked
moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock
Brad Guth
Mar 13, 2013, 7:02:04 PM3/13/13
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Once deployed and attended to by mostly other robotics, these bedrock
cutting and excavating monsters can provide safe lunar habitats for us.
Brad Guth
Mar 14, 2013, 9:24:25 AM3/14/13
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Underground terraforming our moon could be a whole lot easier that
some would suggest. Of course getting really big machinery safely
deployed and assembled on that physically dark and naked surface is
going to require actual fly-by-rocket landers that are fuel efficient
and failsafe reliable, just like those Apollo era landers that always
worked like a charm right out of the box, so to speak.
Physical properties of fused magmas
http://courses.washington.edu/ess439/ESS%20439%20Lecture%203%20slides.pdf
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1972IAUS...47..372B
http://astro.cas.cz/nuncius/supplement9.html
Using 230 K as the average lunar surface temperature, and perhaps
with an outflux of 17 mw/m2 allowing 233 K at one meter under that
highly insulative surface dust, then based upon encountering solid/
fused bedrock of mostly paramagnetic basalt worth 3.5 g/cm3 density,
as such is still going to remain difficult to model without a whole
lot better estimate of the core size and knowing of its temperature.
There’s a high probability that the lunar core is somewhat more
substantial, as having been a little better insulated by the inverse
density below the fused basalt crust that’s covered with such a highly
insulative layer of crystal dry dust, along with passing ionized
sodium, helium and a few other unavoidably escaping gas particles.
Although potentially offset from center by as much as 25% radius
(434.5 km) in order to compensate for the 40% thicker farside crust,
and thereby giving us a crust differential of 4e17 m3 representing
1.05e21 kg when using the paramagnetic basalt density of 3.5e3 kg/m3
with a crust of 40 km nearside along with a 56 km farside thickness.
If the core is worth 435 km radius and given a density of 7e3 kg/m3 =
2.4e21 kg, and when 25% center offset provides a volumetric mascon
compensation of 2.4e21 kg as shifted toward Earth, which is more than
sufficient ballast to offset the farside crust imbalance of 1.05e21
kg. At least this estimate offers a reasonable option.
Of course this is all basic geometric math and rough estimates of what
could actually be the case of our moon as having an inverse density,
as nicely shielded by its thick and nicely fused paramagnetic basalt
crust.. Below that extremely tough crust could be a somewhat porous
composite form of basalt and other weird geology, as well as trapped
mineral brines, assortments of crystal growth and various outgassing
that should have become geode pockets as otherwise nicely shielded
from the hard vacuum of space. In other words, a real mix of heavy
and light elements creating a complex interior matrix that could be
rather easily exploited by the use of TBMs.
As it stands, we really have not a clue as to the interior of our
moon, especially when geology science missions such as the JAXA/ISAS
Lunar-A and similar UK/ESA surface penetrator efforts for obtaining
good lunar seismology mapping, had each been denied or otherwise
foiled by those of our NASA/Apollo era. Apparently lunar seismology
shall remain as another one of those taboo/nondisclosure issues for
decades to come.
http://www.mssl.ucl.ac.uk/general/news/UKLPC/UKLPC.pdf
http://www.mssl.ucl.ac.uk/planetary/missions/Micro_Penetrators.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar-A
The actual depth of lose dust and secondary shards from impacts that
created thousands of significant craters, and especially via the
enormous south pole crater of 2500 km diameter, by rights should have
easily covered the moon with a km of lose material. Apparently our
NASA/Apollo missions never set any foot on that kind of lose soil,
whereas instead they had only encountered terrific surface tension and
thereby no footing problems or any lack of traction, as though the
moon was practically dust free, and of what little dust they had was
capable of clumping far better than any of our best geology
expectations.
Brad Guth
Mar 14, 2013, 4:49:22 PM3/14/13
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On Mar 14, 6:24 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Underground terraforming our moon could be a whole lot easier that
> some would suggest. Of course getting really big machinery safely
> deployed and assembled on that physically dark and naked surface is
> going to require actual fly-by-rocket landers that are fuel efficient
> and failsafe reliable, just like those Apollo era landers that always
> worked like a charm right out of the box, so to speak.
>
> Physical properties of fused magmas
> http://courses.washington.edu/ess439/ESS%20439%20Lecture%203%20slides...
> Underground terraforming our moon could be a whole lot easier that
> some would suggest. Of course getting really big machinery safely
> deployed and assembled on that physically dark and naked surface is
> going to require actual fly-by-rocket landers that are fuel efficient
> and failsafe reliable, just like those Apollo era landers that always
> worked like a charm right out of the box, so to speak.
>
> Physical properties of fused magmas
Venus, this notion has never been any part of my intentions or any
such suggestions for others to consider, because only advanced
intelligent types could ever manage to accomplish this with ease. My
thoughts were always about the exploitation potential and
accomplishing this via mostly robotics, but otherwise using a well
insulated composite rigid airship that could if need be easily
accommodate a crew of more than a thousand, doesn’t seem all that
technically insurmountable. The fact that others may have already
been there and doing their own exploitations, is just further evidence
and proof of why we should be doing the same.
A step in the right direction would be to establish our OASIS/Gateway
of Venus L2, as our cool go-between depot for dealing with the task of
exploiting Venus. Of course the same analogy applies for establishing
our Earth-moon L1 OASIS/outpost and ultimate Gateway, that could have
been easily created decades ago for roughly 10% of what those nearly
worthless Apollo missions set us back.
For an even better off-world experience, a chemical/fluid and nuclear
powered airship still seems like a perfectly good idea. Of course air
conditioning the main cabin areas of this enormous flying machine is
going to take more than a few window mounted air conditioners from
WalMart, and not that keeping the hydrogen gas regulated as hot as
possible isn’t a perfectly good idea for increased buoyancy.
On Mar 13, 1:19 pm, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:
> "The cooling elements are sandwiches of a normal metal, a 1-nanometer-
> thick insulating layer, and a superconducting metal. When a voltage is
> applied, the hottest electrons "tunnel" from the normal metal through
> the insulator to the superconductor. The temperature in the normal
> metal drops dramatically and drains electronic and vibrational energy
> from the object being cooled."
>
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130308183821.htm
>
> Maxwell's Demon:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_demon
>
> Double-A
Now that's getting our moneys worth out of our public NIST
investment. Too bad our spendy NIF can’t seem to manage the same
benefits, outside of improved fusion weapons. Might as well sequester
NIF in order to keep our NIST going strong.
Besides all sorts of new and improved terrestrial applications, this
new and improved quantum refrigeration as efficient heat transferring
without moving parts or using freons should do wonders for cooling
applications on Venus, as well as for managing temperatures within the
GuthVenus composite rigid airship.
This might eventually replace using helium, which is often not getting
recycled enough as is, and natural resources of helium are greatly
depleted or simply vented off as an unavoidable composite of our
hydrocarbons and natural gas exploitations and their mass consumption.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130308183821.htm
"It's one of the most flabbergasting results I've seen," project
leader Joel Ullom says. "We used quantum mechanics in a nanostructure
to cool a block of copper. The copper is about a million times heavier
than the refrigerating elements. This is a rare example of a nano- or
microelectromechanical machine that can manipulate the macroscopic
world."
“The technology may offer a compact, convenient means of chilling
advanced sensors below standard cryogenic temperatures -- 300
milliKelvin (mK), typically achieved by use of liquid helium -- to
enhance their performance in quantum information systems, telescope
cameras, and searches for mysterious dark matter and dark energy.
As described in Applied Physics Letters, the NIST refrigerator's
cooling elements, consisting of 48 tiny sandwiches of specific
materials, chilled a plate of copper, 2.5 centimeters on a side and 3
millimeters thick, from 290 mK to 256 mK. The cooling process took
about 18 hours. NIST researchers expect that minor improvements will
enable faster and further cooling to about 100 mK.”
This is the sort of positive/constructive R&D advancements that the
public should be quite willing to pay for. Perhaps sequestering of
public funding is going to turn out as a very good way of bringing
forth any number of technology improvements, that perhaps our NIF,
DARPA and DOE should have gotten promoted as of a decade ago, such as
promoting thorium fueled reactors that could deliver failsafe clean
energy at not 10% the ongoing all-inclusive cost of conventional
nuclear fueled reactors, thereby making longer range electric cars,
trucks and buses into a win-win kind of affordable clean
transportation alternative, along with always improved batteries that
such application would promote. In fact, all sorts of energy
demanding products and services should become a done deal, benefiting
everyone from oligarchs on down to those living on the street.
Brad Guth
Mar 20, 2013, 3:29:08 PM3/20/13
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For all we know, the innards of our moon is extensively porous and/or
conceivably hiding those geode pockets and even layers of mineral
brines, and thus on average offering an inverse density all the way
down to its substantially offset core.
Underground terraforming our moon could be a whole lot easier that
some would of our resident naysayers suggest. Of course getting
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1972IAUS...47..372B
http://astro.cas.cz/nuncius/supplement9.html
Using 230 K as the average lunar surface temperature, and perhaps
with an outflux of 17 mw/m2 allowing 233 K at one meter under that
highly insulative surface dust, then based upon encountering solid/
fused bedrock of mostly paramagnetic basalt worth 3.5 g/cm3 density,
as such is still going to remain difficult to model without a whole
lot better estimate of the core size and knowing of its temperature.
There’s a high probability that the lunar core is somewhat more
substantial, as having been a little better insulated by the inverse
density below the fused basalt crust that’s covered with such a thick
and highly insulative layer of crystal dry dust, along with passing
NASA/Apollo missions never set any fly-by-rocket lander or actual foot
any lack of rover traction, as though the moon was practically dust
free, and of what little dust they had was always capable of clumping
far better than any of our best geology expectations could have
imagined.
Basically there’s still a lot to learn about our paramagnetic basalt
and somewhat carbonado encrusted moon, not that some diamagnetic
elements like gold shouldn’t coexist along with the paramagnetics of
platinum, thorium, uranium, and ferromagnetic cobalt as well as many
other valuable elements that are often referred to as rare earths
primarily because of their market value.
conceivably hiding those geode pockets and even layers of mineral
brines, and thus on average offering an inverse density all the way
down to its substantially offset core.
Underground terraforming our moon could be a whole lot easier that
really big machinery safely deployed and assembled on that physically
dark and naked surface is going to require actual fly-by-rocket
landers that are fuel efficient and failsafe reliable, just like those
Apollo era landers that always worked like a charm right out of the
box, so to speak.
Physical properties of fused magmas
http://courses.washington.edu/ess439/ESS%20439%20Lecture%203%20slides.pdf
dark and naked surface is going to require actual fly-by-rocket
landers that are fuel efficient and failsafe reliable, just like those
Apollo era landers that always worked like a charm right out of the
box, so to speak.
Physical properties of fused magmas
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1972IAUS...47..372B
http://astro.cas.cz/nuncius/supplement9.html
Using 230 K as the average lunar surface temperature, and perhaps
with an outflux of 17 mw/m2 allowing 233 K at one meter under that
highly insulative surface dust, then based upon encountering solid/
fused bedrock of mostly paramagnetic basalt worth 3.5 g/cm3 density,
as such is still going to remain difficult to model without a whole
lot better estimate of the core size and knowing of its temperature.
There’s a high probability that the lunar core is somewhat more
substantial, as having been a little better insulated by the inverse
and highly insulative layer of crystal dry dust, along with passing
on that kind of lose soil, whereas instead they had only encountered
terrific surface clumping tension and thereby no footing problems or
any lack of rover traction, as though the moon was practically dust
free, and of what little dust they had was always capable of clumping
far better than any of our best geology expectations could have
imagined.
Basically there’s still a lot to learn about our paramagnetic basalt
and somewhat carbonado encrusted moon, not that some diamagnetic
elements like gold shouldn’t coexist along with the paramagnetics of
platinum, thorium, uranium, and ferromagnetic cobalt as well as many
other valuable elements that are often referred to as rare earths
primarily because of their market value.
H�gar
Mar 20, 2013, 5:15:54 PM3/20/13
to
Looks like the "Insane One" is giving Venus a rest ... he must have
located Waldo ...
"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:11d84318-be8a-44e4...@kn5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
formed due to the uneven shrinking of the original Earthen materials the
Moon is composed of, because the Moon has a minimal metallic core and
therefore cooled rather quickly, creating these inner spaces. Rumor has it
the Aliens store their cheese there. ***
Underground terraforming our moon could be a whole lot easier that
some would of our resident naysayers suggest. Of course getting
really big machinery safely deployed and assembled on that physically
dark and naked surface is going to require actual fly-by-rocket
landers that are fuel efficient and failsafe reliable, just like those
Apollo era landers that always worked like a charm right out of the
box, so to speak.
*** Let's see, you lunatic, we made, what, 6 trips to the Moon and hauled
back maybe 800lbs of Moon rocks, all of them bearing a striking similarity
in their composition to similar rocks found here on Earth ... I and you, a
cretin of minimal intelligence but a vivid imagination, want to start mining
the Moon. Perhaps you can lay out for us just how you're going to get there
and live there and breathe there and not freeze to death there ... how about
taking a GuthBall (a dump) at 5degrees Kelvin on the "Dark Side of the Moon"
you loon. ***
Physical properties of fused magmas
http://courses.washington.edu/ess439/ESS%20439%20Lecture%203%20slides.pdf
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1972IAUS...47..372B
http://astro.cas.cz/nuncius/supplement9.html
Using 230 K as the average lunar surface temperature, and perhaps
with an outflux of 17 mw/m2 allowing 233 K at one meter under that
highly insulative surface dust, then based upon encountering solid/
fused bedrock of mostly paramagnetic basalt worth 3.5 g/cm3 density,
as such is still going to remain difficult to model without a whole
lot better estimate of the core size and knowing of its temperature.
*** Average temperature of 230 K ??? you are insane, ain't cha. So, the
sunny side is cooking and the far side is deadly cold, but, hey, I forgot,
let's average it out to (manipulates slide rule) say 230 K. You are dumber
than dirt, Goth ***
< snip the rest of GuthBall's fantasy world ... >
located Waldo ...
"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:11d84318-be8a-44e4...@kn5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
For all we know, the innards of our moon is extensively porous and/or
conceivably hiding those geode pockets and even layers of mineral
brines, and thus on average offering an inverse density all the way
down to its substantially offset core.
*** The Moon does have crevices and cave like inner structures. They were
conceivably hiding those geode pockets and even layers of mineral
brines, and thus on average offering an inverse density all the way
down to its substantially offset core.
formed due to the uneven shrinking of the original Earthen materials the
Moon is composed of, because the Moon has a minimal metallic core and
therefore cooled rather quickly, creating these inner spaces. Rumor has it
the Aliens store their cheese there. ***
Underground terraforming our moon could be a whole lot easier that
some would of our resident naysayers suggest. Of course getting
really big machinery safely deployed and assembled on that physically
dark and naked surface is going to require actual fly-by-rocket
landers that are fuel efficient and failsafe reliable, just like those
Apollo era landers that always worked like a charm right out of the
box, so to speak.
back maybe 800lbs of Moon rocks, all of them bearing a striking similarity
in their composition to similar rocks found here on Earth ... I and you, a
cretin of minimal intelligence but a vivid imagination, want to start mining
the Moon. Perhaps you can lay out for us just how you're going to get there
and live there and breathe there and not freeze to death there ... how about
taking a GuthBall (a dump) at 5degrees Kelvin on the "Dark Side of the Moon"
you loon. ***
Physical properties of fused magmas
http://courses.washington.edu/ess439/ESS%20439%20Lecture%203%20slides.pdf
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1972IAUS...47..372B
http://astro.cas.cz/nuncius/supplement9.html
Using 230 K as the average lunar surface temperature, and perhaps
with an outflux of 17 mw/m2 allowing 233 K at one meter under that
highly insulative surface dust, then based upon encountering solid/
fused bedrock of mostly paramagnetic basalt worth 3.5 g/cm3 density,
as such is still going to remain difficult to model without a whole
lot better estimate of the core size and knowing of its temperature.
sunny side is cooking and the far side is deadly cold, but, hey, I forgot,
let's average it out to (manipulates slide rule) say 230 K. You are dumber
than dirt, Goth ***
< snip the rest of GuthBall's fantasy world ... >
Brad Guth
Mar 21, 2013, 5:47:16 PM3/21/13
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Just because redneck GOP FUD-masters like yourself that can not manage
to terraform anything for the better (not even Earth), doesn't mean
that I can't terraform the innards of our moon, or even exploit Venus.
On Mar 20, 2:15 pm, "H gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Looks like the "Insane One" is giving Venus a rest ... he must have
> located Waldo ...
>
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> http://courses.washington.edu/ess439/ESS%20439%20Lecture%203%20slides...
I wouldn't advise going underground for any reason on Earth, not even
if there's buried FEMA cheese to go after.
However, with nifty TBMs going way deeper, all sorts of options should
open up, including loads of redneck jobs for tunnel machinery
operators.
Would you be qualified?
to terraform anything for the better (not even Earth), doesn't mean
that I can't terraform the innards of our moon, or even exploit Venus.
On Mar 20, 2:15 pm, "H gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Looks like the "Insane One" is giving Venus a rest ... he must have
> located Waldo ...
>
>
> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1972IAUS...47..372B
>
> http://astro.cas.cz/nuncius/supplement9.html
>
> Using 230 K as the average lunar surface temperature, and perhaps
> with an outflux of 17 mw/m2 allowing 233 K at one meter under that
> highly insulative surface dust, then based upon encountering solid/
> fused bedrock of mostly paramagnetic basalt worth 3.5 g/cm3 density,
> as such is still going to remain difficult to model without a whole
> lot better estimate of the core size and knowing of its temperature.
>
> *** Average temperature of 230 K ??? you are insane, ain't cha. So, the
> sunny side is cooking and the far side is deadly cold, but, hey, I forgot,
> let's average it out to (manipulates slide rule) say 230 K. You are dumber
> than dirt, Goth ***
>
> < snip the rest of GuthBall's fantasy world ... >
In your case of a cesspool flooded and ground saturated trailer park,
> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1972IAUS...47..372B
>
> http://astro.cas.cz/nuncius/supplement9.html
>
> Using 230 K as the average lunar surface temperature, and perhaps
> with an outflux of 17 mw/m2 allowing 233 K at one meter under that
> highly insulative surface dust, then based upon encountering solid/
> fused bedrock of mostly paramagnetic basalt worth 3.5 g/cm3 density,
> as such is still going to remain difficult to model without a whole
> lot better estimate of the core size and knowing of its temperature.
>
> *** Average temperature of 230 K ??? you are insane, ain't cha. So, the
> sunny side is cooking and the far side is deadly cold, but, hey, I forgot,
> let's average it out to (manipulates slide rule) say 230 K. You are dumber
> than dirt, Goth ***
>
> < snip the rest of GuthBall's fantasy world ... >
I wouldn't advise going underground for any reason on Earth, not even
if there's buried FEMA cheese to go after.
However, with nifty TBMs going way deeper, all sorts of options should
open up, including loads of redneck jobs for tunnel machinery
operators.
Would you be qualified?
Hägar
Mar 22, 2013, 10:14:01 AM3/22/13
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news:2e6537e0-50b8-4ad7...@rq16g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
nonsensical oratory, just tell us how you are planning to get to the
Moon, much less Venus ... now keep in mind, you repair leaky boats
for a living, compensated for by under-the-table and tax evasive
monetary rewards.
Just because redneck GOP FUD-masters like yourself that can not manage
to terraform anything for the better (not even Earth), doesn't mean
that I can't terraform the innards of our moon, or even exploit Venus.
*** Without going into the idiotic details of your usual bullshit-laden,
to terraform anything for the better (not even Earth), doesn't mean
that I can't terraform the innards of our moon, or even exploit Venus.
nonsensical oratory, just tell us how you are planning to get to the
Moon, much less Venus ... now keep in mind, you repair leaky boats
for a living, compensated for by under-the-table and tax evasive
monetary rewards.
Brad Guth
Mar 22, 2013, 11:29:31 AM3/22/13
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On Mar 22, 7:14 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
According to your ZNR(SS Nazi) paperclip run DARPA and NASA, going to
our moon with a crew wearing depends and their unproven fly-by-rocket
landers that worked perfectly right out of the box, has been a done
deal for nearly half a century. So, scaling that objectively proven
technology up to delivering 60+ tonnes as safely deployed with fuel
and payload to spare, as soft landing upon that naked surface that
isn't hardly dusty and is monochromatic as well as perfectly inert and
not the least bit radioactive or even ionized, by rights shouldn't be
the least bit problematic.
Sending ten+ modules of TBMs and all things necessary for their
assembly and operation shouldn't be the least bit complicated, as
robotic flown resupplies of beer, pizza and TP keep arriving, and all
sorts of continuous audio and video communications is the norm.
Where's the insurmountable problem?
Are you suggesting what our Apollo era supposedly accomplished isn't
true?
Are you still suggesting that the Earth-moon L1 can't be utilized for
anything?
Are you suggesting that there's not sufficient sunlight for solar
energy farming, or otherwise enough cool planetshine to work by.
Are you suggesting we shouldn't use those relatively cheap Russian
RTGs nor any other kind of remote nuclear powered technology?
Are you suggesting that TBMs can't be configured for cutting into that
tough lunar paramagnetic basalt?
What is it about your redneck NASA and DARPA guys that isn't fully
qualified as is?
Are you suggesting the all-inclusive payback isn't capable of ever
breaking even?
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
our moon with a crew wearing depends and their unproven fly-by-rocket
landers that worked perfectly right out of the box, has been a done
deal for nearly half a century. So, scaling that objectively proven
technology up to delivering 60+ tonnes as safely deployed with fuel
and payload to spare, as soft landing upon that naked surface that
isn't hardly dusty and is monochromatic as well as perfectly inert and
not the least bit radioactive or even ionized, by rights shouldn't be
the least bit problematic.
Sending ten+ modules of TBMs and all things necessary for their
assembly and operation shouldn't be the least bit complicated, as
robotic flown resupplies of beer, pizza and TP keep arriving, and all
sorts of continuous audio and video communications is the norm.
Where's the insurmountable problem?
Are you suggesting what our Apollo era supposedly accomplished isn't
true?
Are you still suggesting that the Earth-moon L1 can't be utilized for
anything?
Are you suggesting that there's not sufficient sunlight for solar
energy farming, or otherwise enough cool planetshine to work by.
Are you suggesting we shouldn't use those relatively cheap Russian
RTGs nor any other kind of remote nuclear powered technology?
Are you suggesting that TBMs can't be configured for cutting into that
tough lunar paramagnetic basalt?
What is it about your redneck NASA and DARPA guys that isn't fully
qualified as is?
Are you suggesting the all-inclusive payback isn't capable of ever
breaking even?
H�gar
Mar 22, 2013, 12:57:14 PM3/22/13
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news:7f4b7bdf-1063-48a4...@mz7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
*** As I suspected ... other than the usual shit-for-brain drivel, you have
nothing. Here's some help ... are you going to use:
Chemical rockets (aka Saturn 5)
Space Elevator.
A not yet invented Anti-Gravity drive
The hot air generated by your bullshit.
BeeertBrain's Barrel Boat
We'll cover the oxygen and water issues after your idiotic reply.
nothing. Here's some help ... are you going to use:
Chemical rockets (aka Saturn 5)
Space Elevator.
A not yet invented Anti-Gravity drive
The hot air generated by your bullshit.
BeeertBrain's Barrel Boat
We'll cover the oxygen and water issues after your idiotic reply.
Brad Guth
Mar 22, 2013, 1:37:17 PM3/22/13
to
On Mar 22, 9:57 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7f4b7bdf-1063-48a4...@mz7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7f4b7bdf-1063-48a4...@mz7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
some as of nearly a half century ago, and therefore nothing really new
or improved needs to get invented.
Are you suggesting that our DARPA and NASA guys didn't learn anything,
or simply didn't bother to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the
Apollo truth about our moon?
Hägar
Mar 22, 2013, 3:31:39 PM3/22/13
to
news:e69d4960-cf79-4483...@hd10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
> Are you suggesting the all-inclusive payback isn't capable of ever
> breaking even?
>
> *** As I suspected ... other than the usual shit-for-brain drivel, you
> have
> nothing. Here's some help ... are you going to use:
>
> Chemical rockets (aka Saturn 5)
> Space Elevator.
> A not yet invented Anti-Gravity drive
> The hot air generated by your bullshit.
> BeeertBrain's Barrel Boat
>
> We'll cover the oxygen and water issues after your idiotic reply.
Operation "Paperclip" resolved all those fly-by-rocket issues and then
some as of nearly a half century ago, and therefore nothing really new
or improved needs to get invented.
Are you suggesting that our DARPA and NASA guys didn't learn anything,
or simply didn't bother to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the
Apollo truth about our moon?
*** So ... why are you still here, if it's that easy. Shouldn't you be
on the forefront and digging holes on the Moon (or your precious Venus) ?
You have been, and will remain in perpetuity, an insufferable Loon.
On Mar 22, 9:57 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7f4b7bdf-1063-48a4...@mz7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 22, 7:14 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
< snip GuthBall drivel >
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7f4b7bdf-1063-48a4...@mz7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 22, 7:14 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Are you suggesting the all-inclusive payback isn't capable of ever
> breaking even?
>
> *** As I suspected ... other than the usual shit-for-brain drivel, you
> have
> nothing. Here's some help ... are you going to use:
>
> Chemical rockets (aka Saturn 5)
> Space Elevator.
> A not yet invented Anti-Gravity drive
> The hot air generated by your bullshit.
> BeeertBrain's Barrel Boat
>
> We'll cover the oxygen and water issues after your idiotic reply.
Operation "Paperclip" resolved all those fly-by-rocket issues and then
some as of nearly a half century ago, and therefore nothing really new
or improved needs to get invented.
Are you suggesting that our DARPA and NASA guys didn't learn anything,
or simply didn't bother to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the
Apollo truth about our moon?
on the forefront and digging holes on the Moon (or your precious Venus) ?
You have been, and will remain in perpetuity, an insufferable Loon.
Brad Guth
Mar 22, 2013, 3:52:33 PM3/22/13
to
On Mar 22, 12:31 pm, "H gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e69d4960-cf79-4483...@hd10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> On Mar 22, 9:57 am, "H gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:7f4b7bdf-1063-48a4...@mz7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:7f4b7bdf-1063-48a4...@mz7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 22, 7:14 am, "H gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> < snip GuthBall drivel >
>
> > Are you suggesting the all-inclusive payback isn't capable of ever
> > breaking even?
>
> > *** As I suspected ... other than the usual shit-for-brain drivel, you
> > have
> > nothing. Here's some help ... are you going to use:
>
> > Chemical rockets (aka Saturn 5)
> > Space Elevator.
> > A not yet invented Anti-Gravity drive
> > The hot air generated by your bullshit.
> > BeeertBrain's Barrel Boat
>
> > We'll cover the oxygen and water issues after your idiotic reply.
>
> Operation "Paperclip" resolved all those fly-by-rocket issues and then
> some as of nearly a half century ago, and therefore nothing really new
> or improved needs to get invented.
>
> Are you suggesting that our DARPA and NASA guys didn't learn anything,
> or simply didn't bother to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the
> Apollo truth about our moon?
>
> *** So ... why are you still here, if it's that easy. Shouldn't you be
> on the forefront and digging holes on the Moon (or your precious Venus) ?
>
> You have been, and will remain in perpetuity, an insufferable Loon.
Venus is not such a good place for TBMs, because that bedrock is
>
> < snip GuthBall drivel >
>
> > Are you suggesting the all-inclusive payback isn't capable of ever
> > breaking even?
>
> > *** As I suspected ... other than the usual shit-for-brain drivel, you
> > have
> > nothing. Here's some help ... are you going to use:
>
> > Chemical rockets (aka Saturn 5)
> > Space Elevator.
> > A not yet invented Anti-Gravity drive
> > The hot air generated by your bullshit.
> > BeeertBrain's Barrel Boat
>
> > We'll cover the oxygen and water issues after your idiotic reply.
>
> Operation "Paperclip" resolved all those fly-by-rocket issues and then
> some as of nearly a half century ago, and therefore nothing really new
> or improved needs to get invented.
>
> Are you suggesting that our DARPA and NASA guys didn't learn anything,
> or simply didn't bother to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the
> Apollo truth about our moon?
>
> *** So ... why are you still here, if it's that easy. Shouldn't you be
> on the forefront and digging holes on the Moon (or your precious Venus) ?
>
> You have been, and will remain in perpetuity, an insufferable Loon.
literally hotter than hell as is, and it sure as hell doesn't get any
cooler by digging in.
The moon however is quite TBM doable, as relatively cool underground,
especially when if accepting all things DARPA/NASA/Apollo as being the
whole truth and nothing but the truth. What the hell, even for
government there's a first time for everything.
I'd love being part of a lunar TBM team effort for exploiting our
moon, because sooner or later we have to do this. Of course it can be
put off until after WW3, WW4 and possibly WW5, whereas we're down to
using sharp sticks and rocks in order to kill off other humans and
exterminating the scant remainders of our biodiversity, and perhaps by
then only Greenland and Antarctica will be of any dry land value that
isn’t too hot by summer or too cold by winter and plenty of fresh
water to spare (in other words, good times for redneck oligarchs).
Hägar
Mar 22, 2013, 6:12:26 PM3/22/13
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*** By the time our head nigger gets through plunging us down the
rabbit hole of insurmountable national debt in exchange for votes,
there won't be a red cent left for space exploration. But all the
deadbeats will be fat and sassy, yakking on their free cell phones, watching
Oprah their free flat panel TVs and munching Food Stamp bought Cheetos and
assorted health foods..
rabbit hole of insurmountable national debt in exchange for votes,
there won't be a red cent left for space exploration. But all the
deadbeats will be fat and sassy, yakking on their free cell phones, watching
Oprah their free flat panel TVs and munching Food Stamp bought Cheetos and
assorted health foods..
Brad Guth
Mar 22, 2013, 7:55:31 PM3/22/13
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order to brown-nose your oligarch mafia peers that pretend to be GOP
and Semites at the same time. Sounds great.
Btw; spending a trillion dollars per year on exploiting and even
relocating our moon, is a trillion dollars worth of century+ long-term
employment for otherwise 10+ million unemployable rednecks exactly
like yourself. Even after finished (a century from now), the dull
roar of keeping at least a million well paid folks fully employed
would be the norm.
How is any of that a bad thing?
Brad Guth
Mar 23, 2013, 11:34:40 AM3/23/13
to
into paying for yet another proxy war in order to brown-nose your
oligarch mafia peers that pretend to be GOP and Semites at the same
time. Sounds perfectly great.
Btw; spending a trillion dollars per year on exploiting and even
term employment for otherwise 10+ million unemployable rednecks
exactly like yourself. Even after we’re finished (a century from
now), the dull roar of keeping at least a million well paid folks
fully employed would be the norm for having exploited our moon and the
extremely nearby planet Venus (aka GuthVenus).
How is any of that a bad thing?
would have to compete against impoverished nations of well enough
educated and otherwise easily trainable but underemployed that are
willing to work hard for as little as $1/hr, and even as little as $10/
hr within this country. I’m sure that rednecks like our Hagar can’t
even manage to survive on less than $20/hr, and the truly experienced
would be demanding at least $40/hr plus full benefits (we have state
employed workers averaging near $80/hr once everything is taken into
account), so it’s unlikely that majority of these moon and Venus
related jobs would go to Americans. In other words, for a trillion
dollars invested per year would represent a great deal of applied
labor, employing as many as a hundred million folks.
Brad Guth
Mar 23, 2013, 1:04:44 PM3/23/13
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Using TBMs for going underground is the only failsafe bet for
exploiting our moon.
exploiting our moon.
Brad Guth
Mar 24, 2013, 12:35:10 PM3/24/13
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Surviving on any other planet or its moon is going to require a degree
of investment risk, just like most forms of exploitations right here
on Earth carry all sorts of risks (including social/political
considerations in addition to insurmountable faith-based issues) and
there’s always environmental trauma that’s usually all negative. The
obvious off-world advantage is that environmentalists or special-
interest groups getting in the way are going to be few and far between
unless our actions manage to interact with ETs that were there first.
Besides all the potential of exploiting rare earth elements that by
rights should be right on the surface and otherwise within our moon,
and of the relative ease via TBMs mining and other mostly robotics
processing those valuable elements for their economical export to
Earth, not to mention the enormous solar and electrostatic charged
farads worth of energy that our moon could provide via a tethered
transmitting element reaching to within 6r of Earth, there’s always
the commercial CVD process of creating volumes of industrial sized
diamond on demand, that by itself should more than pay for the all-
inclusive infrastructure.
Large scale diamonds could be very useful for all sorts of stuff
(including unlimited length tether fibers) that would make our lives a
whole lot better, cleaner and safer, not to mention a whole lot less
bloody than natural terrestrial diamonds represent.
The same argument goes for several other elements of sufficient value
that our moon should have to offer, not to mention the use of those
TBM excavated tunnels for human habitat as nicely protected by all of
the fused paramagnetic basalt and carbonado within the tough bedrock
crust of our moon. In other words, our moon should represent a very
good kind of win-win-win for all of us.
On Feb 18, 6:56 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than
> 10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day
> or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on
> interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want
> that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming
> the thousands of significant impacts, and especially as a result of
> shouldn’t be all that much porosity to any of its solidified basalt or
of investment risk, just like most forms of exploitations right here
on Earth carry all sorts of risks (including social/political
considerations in addition to insurmountable faith-based issues) and
there’s always environmental trauma that’s usually all negative. The
obvious off-world advantage is that environmentalists or special-
interest groups getting in the way are going to be few and far between
unless our actions manage to interact with ETs that were there first.
Besides all the potential of exploiting rare earth elements that by
rights should be right on the surface and otherwise within our moon,
and of the relative ease via TBMs mining and other mostly robotics
processing those valuable elements for their economical export to
Earth, not to mention the enormous solar and electrostatic charged
farads worth of energy that our moon could provide via a tethered
transmitting element reaching to within 6r of Earth, there’s always
the commercial CVD process of creating volumes of industrial sized
diamond on demand, that by itself should more than pay for the all-
inclusive infrastructure.
Large scale diamonds could be very useful for all sorts of stuff
(including unlimited length tether fibers) that would make our lives a
whole lot better, cleaner and safer, not to mention a whole lot less
bloody than natural terrestrial diamonds represent.
The same argument goes for several other elements of sufficient value
that our moon should have to offer, not to mention the use of those
TBM excavated tunnels for human habitat as nicely protected by all of
the fused paramagnetic basalt and carbonado within the tough bedrock
crust of our moon. In other words, our moon should represent a very
good kind of win-win-win for all of us.
On Feb 18, 6:56 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than
> 10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day
> the core energy). The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock
> and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is
> none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat
> transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic
> basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any
> different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't
> nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core
> heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon.
> Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal
> with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition.
>
> A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of
> Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is
> and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is
> none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat
> transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic
> basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any
> different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't
> nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core
> heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon.
> Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal
> with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition.
>
> A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of
> getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only
> getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much).
> outsiders having a public say about anything. So, once again, it
> really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and
> expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author
> stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup
> authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk.
>
> TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove
> both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and
> valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe
> habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. Unfortunately
> this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet
> really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and
> expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author
> stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup
> authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk.
>
> TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove
> both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and
> valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe
> habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. Unfortunately
> like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core
> energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2 as contributing way more
> geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although
> older and cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io
> that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming
> the cozy interior of our moon.
> http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-school/lectures/planetary_interior...
>
> http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf
>
> The likely two thirds (6.6e17~6.6e18 tonnes) worth of lose surface
> http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-school/lectures/planetary_interior...
>
> http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf
>
> basalt rock and dust including whatever 4+ billion years worth of
> accumulated deposits, as remaining crystal dry on the naked surface of
> our physically dark moon (not including the other good third portion
> as having been dislodged and deposited on Earth) is a direct result of
> the thousands of significant impacts, and especially as a result of
> whatever created its South polar crater of 2500 km diameter, that
> which all by itself should have contributed a minimum of 3e17 m3 or
> possibly a maximum contribution of 1e18 m3 if including the planet
> which all by itself should have contributed a minimum of 3e17 m3 or
> sized impactor contributions. Given the limited surface area of the
> moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t exactly allow all that much surface
> area for accommodating such volume of lose crater made fallout, and
> moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t exactly allow all that much surface
> perhaps due to much of its own basalt metallicity making its density
> worth on average 3.5 tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated
> carbon buckyballs. In that kind of hard vacuum, there really
> worth on average 3.5 tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated
> shouldn’t be all that much porosity to any of its solidified basalt or
> carbonado.
>
> Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts
> that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon
> contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have
> been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar
> bedrock samples had been return to Earth. Sadly, no such samples or
> even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era,
> that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X-
> ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what
> little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface
> tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place
> else.
>
> Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth
> of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an
> average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found
> no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. Of
> course, if that moon had created our Arctic ocean basin as of 11,712
>
> Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts
> that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon
> contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have
> been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar
> bedrock samples had been return to Earth. Sadly, no such samples or
> even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era,
> that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X-
> ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what
> little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface
> tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place
> else.
>
> Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth
> of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an
> average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found
> no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. Of
> years ago, would actually explain quite a bit.
>
> How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked
> moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock
> according to our Apollo wizards?
>
> How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked
> moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock
Brad Guth
Mar 24, 2013, 12:59:53 PM3/24/13
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even eventually relocating our moon to Earth L1, is actually a
trillion dollars worth of a century+ long-term employment for
otherwise 10+ million unemployable rednecks exactly like our Hagar.
Even after we’re finished (no sooner thana century from now), the dull
roar of keeping at least a million well paid folks fully employed
would be the norm for having exploited our moon and the extremely
nearby planet Venus (aka GuthVenus).
How exactly is any of that a bad thing?
would be the norm for having exploited our moon and the extremely
nearby planet Venus (aka GuthVenus).
Of course this is a global/international investment, so you rednecks
nations of well enough educated and otherwise easily trainable but
underemployed that are willing to work hard for as little as $1/hr,
and even of those willing to accept as little as $10/hr within this
underemployed that are willing to work hard for as little as $1/hr,
country. I’m sure that rednecks like our Hagar can’t even manage to
barely survive on less than $20/hr, and the truly experienced with any
true talent would be demanding at least $40/hr plus full benefits (we
have Washington state employed workers doing little if anything
technical averaging near $80/hr once everything is taken into
account), so it’s unlikely that majority of these moon and Venus
related jobs would go to Americans. In other words, for a trillion
dollars invested per year would represent a great deal of applied
labor, employing as many as a hundred million folks full time, and the
related jobs would go to Americans. In other words, for a trillion
dollars invested per year would represent a great deal of applied
various pay-backs are almost too many to mention.
Oddly our DARPA and NASA could care less, but more importantly is that
they do not want others taking any interest in our moon, nor much less
in the extremely nearby planet Venus. So, for the most part of K-12s
and higher educated folks are being put off and/or distracted by any
means possible (including via proxy wars) is quite self-evident.
Besides the ongoing taboo/nondisclosure pertaining to our moon, why is
the extremely nearby planet Venus such a mainstream taboo/
nondisclosure issue?
Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting mountainous area
of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or
magnify this extensively mountainous terrain of Venus that I’ve
focused upon, really shouldn’t be asking too much. Most of modern
PhotoZoom and numerous other photographic software variations tend to
accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone
and Safari), although some extra applied filtering and thereby image
enhancing for dynamic range compensations can further improve upon the
end result (no direct pixel modifications should ever be necessary,
because it’s all a derivative from the original Magellan radar
imaging).
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#
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H�gar
Mar 25, 2013, 9:55:27 AM3/25/13
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Why is it that every time I think you are on the verge of making a
semi-intelligent statement, you're cut short by a relapse into that
disjointed, moronic thought process, for which you are so
renowned.
Why is it that every time I think you are on the verge of making a
semi-intelligent statement, you're cut short by a relapse into that
disjointed, moronic thought process, for which you are so
renowned.
H�gar
Mar 25, 2013, 9:57:14 AM3/25/13
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How is any of that a bad thing?
Of course this is a global/international investment, so you rednecks
would have to compete against impoverished nations of well enough
educated and otherwise easily trainable but underemployed that are
willing to work hard for as little as $1/hr, and even as little as $10/
hr within this country. I�m sure that rednecks like our Hagar can�t
even manage to survive on less than $20/hr, and the truly experienced
would be demanding at least $40/hr plus full benefits (we have state
employed workers averaging near $80/hr once everything is taken into
account), so it�s unlikely that majority of these moon and Venus
related jobs would go to Americans. In other words, for a trillion
dollars invested per year would represent a great deal of applied
labor, employing as many as a hundred million folks.
*** Hey, Moron ... you're babbling again ... get a grip ...
On Mar 22, 3:12 pm, "H�gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
< snip GuthBall drivel >
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
How is any of that a bad thing?
Of course this is a global/international investment, so you rednecks
would have to compete against impoverished nations of well enough
educated and otherwise easily trainable but underemployed that are
willing to work hard for as little as $1/hr, and even as little as $10/
hr within this country. I�m sure that rednecks like our Hagar can�t
even manage to survive on less than $20/hr, and the truly experienced
would be demanding at least $40/hr plus full benefits (we have state
employed workers averaging near $80/hr once everything is taken into
account), so it�s unlikely that majority of these moon and Venus
related jobs would go to Americans. In other words, for a trillion
dollars invested per year would represent a great deal of applied
labor, employing as many as a hundred million folks.
Brad Guth
Mar 25, 2013, 11:01:11 AM3/25/13
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On Mar 25, 6:57 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bfda6c90-c271-4204...@kn5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bfda6c90-c271-4204...@kn5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 22, 3:12 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> < snip GuthBall drivel >
>
> How is any of that a bad thing?
>
> Of course this is a global/international investment, so you rednecks
> would have to compete against impoverished nations of well enough
> educated and otherwise easily trainable but underemployed that are
> willing to work hard for as little as $1/hr, and even as little as $10/
> hr within this country. I’m sure that rednecks like our Hagar can’t
> even manage to survive on less than $20/hr, and the truly experienced
> would be demanding at least $40/hr plus full benefits (we have state
> employed workers averaging near $80/hr once everything is taken into
> account), so it’s unlikely that majority of these moon and Venus
> related jobs would go to Americans. In other words, for a trillion
> dollars invested per year would represent a great deal of applied
> labor, employing as many as a hundred million folks.
>
> *** Hey, Moron ... you're babbling again ... get a grip ...
Hey Redneck (aka GOP mafia ZNR) deadbeat, at least I'm trying to point
>
> > "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> < snip GuthBall drivel >
>
> How is any of that a bad thing?
>
> Of course this is a global/international investment, so you rednecks
> would have to compete against impoverished nations of well enough
> educated and otherwise easily trainable but underemployed that are
> willing to work hard for as little as $1/hr, and even as little as $10/
> hr within this country. I’m sure that rednecks like our Hagar can’t
> even manage to survive on less than $20/hr, and the truly experienced
> would be demanding at least $40/hr plus full benefits (we have state
> employed workers averaging near $80/hr once everything is taken into
> account), so it’s unlikely that majority of these moon and Venus
> related jobs would go to Americans. In other words, for a trillion
> dollars invested per year would represent a great deal of applied
> labor, employing as many as a hundred million folks.
>
> *** Hey, Moron ... you're babbling again ... get a grip ...
out where future improvements can be accomplished that'll benefit
everyone and everything on Earth. So, stop gripping your penis and
start helping others for a change.
Brad Guth
Mar 25, 2013, 11:12:04 AM3/25/13
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On Mar 25, 6:55 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:af650efc-b0bb-47b7...@tz7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:af650efc-b0bb-47b7...@tz7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
would be against any of this.
Are you suggesting that our planet with 10+ billion humans living as
large as yourself and your oligarch peers, can be safely accommodated
as is with no natural resource limitations, lack of energy or negative
environmental consequences?
H�gar
Mar 25, 2013, 4:05:28 PM3/25/13
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In case you hadn't noticed, you ranting idiot, we can't even send
our own astronauts to the ISS any longer without paying exhorbitant
sums of money to the Russkies, much less send anyone to the
Moon in the forseeable future.
When we finally do make it there, the Russians and the Chinese will charge
us admission, since the HNIC (Head Nigger In Charge) is
more interested in spending money on hapless Democrat deadbeats
like yourself, to assure the reelection of the tax and spend clan on
the hill.
On Mar 25, 6:57 am, "H锟絞ar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bfda6c90-c271-4204...@kn5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bfda6c90-c271-4204...@kn5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 22, 3:12 pm, "H锟絞ar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> < snip GuthBall drivel >
>
> How is any of that a bad thing?
>
> Of course this is a global/international investment, so you rednecks
> would have to compete against impoverished nations of well enough
> educated and otherwise easily trainable but underemployed that are
> willing to work hard for as little as $1/hr, and even as little as $10/
> hr within this country. I锟絤 sure that rednecks like our Hagar can锟絫
>
> > "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> < snip GuthBall drivel >
>
> How is any of that a bad thing?
>
> Of course this is a global/international investment, so you rednecks
> would have to compete against impoverished nations of well enough
> educated and otherwise easily trainable but underemployed that are
> willing to work hard for as little as $1/hr, and even as little as $10/
> even manage to survive on less than $20/hr, and the truly experienced
> would be demanding at least $40/hr plus full benefits (we have state
> employed workers averaging near $80/hr once everything is taken into
> account), so it锟絪 unlikely that majority of these moon and Venus
> would be demanding at least $40/hr plus full benefits (we have state
> employed workers averaging near $80/hr once everything is taken into
> related jobs would go to Americans. In other words, for a trillion
> dollars invested per year would represent a great deal of applied
> labor, employing as many as a hundred million folks.
>
> *** Hey, Moron ... you're babbling again ... get a grip ...
Hey Redneck (aka GOP mafia ZNR) deadbeat, at least I'm trying to point
out where future improvements can be accomplished that'll benefit
everyone and everything on Earth. So, stop gripping your penis and
start helping others for a change.
***********************************
> dollars invested per year would represent a great deal of applied
> labor, employing as many as a hundred million folks.
>
> *** Hey, Moron ... you're babbling again ... get a grip ...
Hey Redneck (aka GOP mafia ZNR) deadbeat, at least I'm trying to point
out where future improvements can be accomplished that'll benefit
everyone and everything on Earth. So, stop gripping your penis and
start helping others for a change.
In case you hadn't noticed, you ranting idiot, we can't even send
our own astronauts to the ISS any longer without paying exhorbitant
sums of money to the Russkies, much less send anyone to the
Moon in the forseeable future.
When we finally do make it there, the Russians and the Chinese will charge
us admission, since the HNIC (Head Nigger In Charge) is
more interested in spending money on hapless Democrat deadbeats
like yourself, to assure the reelection of the tax and spend clan on
the hill.
Brad Guth
Mar 25, 2013, 6:59:37 PM3/25/13
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> > > "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > < snip GuthBall drivel >
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> > How is any of that a bad thing?
>
> > Of course this is a global/international investment, so you rednecks
> > would have to compete against impoverished nations of well enough
> > educated and otherwise easily trainable but underemployed that are
> > willing to work hard for as little as $1/hr, and even as little as $10/
> > hr within this country. I m sure that rednecks like our Hagar can t
>
> > > "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > < snip GuthBall drivel >
>
> > How is any of that a bad thing?
>
> > Of course this is a global/international investment, so you rednecks
> > would have to compete against impoverished nations of well enough
> > educated and otherwise easily trainable but underemployed that are
> > willing to work hard for as little as $1/hr, and even as little as $10/
> > even manage to survive on less than $20/hr, and the truly experienced
> > would be demanding at least $40/hr plus full benefits (we have state
> > employed workers averaging near $80/hr once everything is taken into
> > account), so it s unlikely that majority of these moon and Venus
> > would be demanding at least $40/hr plus full benefits (we have state
> > employed workers averaging near $80/hr once everything is taken into
> > related jobs would go to Americans. In other words, for a trillion
> > dollars invested per year would represent a great deal of applied
> > labor, employing as many as a hundred million folks.
>
> > *** Hey, Moron ... you're babbling again ... get a grip ...
>
> Hey Redneck (aka GOP mafia ZNR) deadbeat, at least I'm trying to point
> out where future improvements can be accomplished that'll benefit
> everyone and everything on Earth. So, stop gripping your penis and
> start helping others for a change.
>
> ***********************************
> In case you hadn't noticed, you ranting idiot, we can't even send
> our own astronauts to the ISS any longer without paying exhorbitant
> sums of money to the Russkies, much less send anyone to the
> Moon in the forseeable future.
> When we finally do make it there, the Russians and the Chinese will charge
> us admission, since the HNIC (Head Nigger In Charge) is
> more interested in spending money on hapless Democrat deadbeats
> like yourself, to assure the reelection of the tax and spend clan on
> the hill.
Obviously you can't think outside of your underpants, so there's
> > dollars invested per year would represent a great deal of applied
> > labor, employing as many as a hundred million folks.
>
> > *** Hey, Moron ... you're babbling again ... get a grip ...
>
> Hey Redneck (aka GOP mafia ZNR) deadbeat, at least I'm trying to point
> out where future improvements can be accomplished that'll benefit
> everyone and everything on Earth. So, stop gripping your penis and
> start helping others for a change.
>
> ***********************************
> In case you hadn't noticed, you ranting idiot, we can't even send
> our own astronauts to the ISS any longer without paying exhorbitant
> sums of money to the Russkies, much less send anyone to the
> Moon in the forseeable future.
> When we finally do make it there, the Russians and the Chinese will charge
> us admission, since the HNIC (Head Nigger In Charge) is
> more interested in spending money on hapless Democrat deadbeats
> like yourself, to assure the reelection of the tax and spend clan on
> the hill.
obviously no point in expecting anything but naysay and/or denial of
your being in denial.
Your method insures WW3 plus all sorts of unregulated collateral
damage.
H�gar
Mar 26, 2013, 9:33:00 AM3/26/13
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*** But your wet dreams assure unmitigated success ... I see how
that works ... you just have to be crazy and all's well with the world.
Go pound salt, you moron.
that works ... you just have to be crazy and all's well with the world.
Go pound salt, you moron.
Brad Guth
Mar 26, 2013, 12:04:06 PM3/26/13
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resources, there's plenty of risk and consequences to go around, such
as famine, pandemics, proxy wars and global warming issues that you
obviously find no problems with.
What I'm proposing is simply the opportunity to exploit the nearest
other nearest body of sufficient mass, that likely has a considerable
cache of rare-earth elements plus a few that may hardly even exist on
Earth.
Once TBMs get us safely underground is when exploiting our moon for
all sorts of reasons becomes unlimited.
So, unlike your oligarch wet dreams of exploiting only the lower 99.9%
caste of humans and trashing the limited/depleted natural resources at
hand (forcing global inflation), whereas I'm suggesting that the
interior of our physically dark and naked moon can provide a very long-
term solution to many issues that can't otherwise be resolved with
terrestrial resources, especially as currently dominated and being
insider traded by the likes of redneck minions of ZNR oligarchs that
you and others of your kind never bother to police.
Brad Guth
Mar 27, 2013, 11:56:23 PM3/27/13
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Here's another good reason to terraform the interior of our moon.
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This is becoming yet another “I told you so”, with an ever increasing
asteroid threat looming and growing by the year.
It’s certainly heating up, as one by one we get to play dodge
asteroid. Perhaps pretty soon it’ll start acting more like Whack-a-
Mole. Almost daily an undiscovered asteroid sneaks past our radars as
it passes inside of our moon’s orbit (Apollo style), and it’ll be
those of retrograde added velocity that’ll impose the greatest threat.
Conservatively those Sirius Oort clouds could easily represent a
million fold the mass of our Oort cloud, especially with the tidal
loss of its planets and asteroid belts, not to mention its enormous
Oort cloud radius.
2013 EC as simply yet another 16 meter killer asteroid that could have
just as easily been headed directly for us. For all we know, as the
Sirius Oort cloud closes in, we’re in for a gauntlet of even bigger
surprises unless our observations pick up and our long range radars
are never turned off.
Too bad our spendy JWST can’t be counted on for spotting asteroids,
because the Sirius Oort cloud that has lots to offer is going to keep
us on our toes and wondering, what’s next.
At least once we’ve tunneled ourselves sufficiently deep into our
moon, we’ll be relatively safe from all but the most planet killer
asteroids or planetoids headed our way via those Sirius stars closing
in at 7.6 km/sec plus whatever orbital proper motion velocity
differentials that can easily add up to 60+ km/sec.
Brad Guth
Mar 28, 2013, 8:58:30 AM3/28/13
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easily constructed within our trusty moon, seems like a really good
lifeboat idea. Not that many other reasons for exploiting our moon
don’t already exist.
Thanks to Google NOVA, we get to learn what it was and kinda where it
came from, and as it turns out there was no recent asteroid
coincidence, other than our Oort cloud and the merging Sirius Oort
cloud will each deliver millions of significant asteroids as potential
NEOs in addition to all the thousands of local asteroid belt items
that can be easily disrupted enough to head directly towards us, as
well as making any 19+ meter rock of 10,000+ tonnes seem relatively
small by comparison of what's actually out there and having our name
on it.
Getting the USAF or any other military agency to share public funded
science with our mostly civilian NASA probably isn't going to happen,
at least not within our generation nor the next dozen that are
national and personal debt screwed to the tune of 18+ trillion anyway.
Thanks to our NASA/Apollo era of double/triple agents getting away
with all sorts of mutually perpetrated cold-war cloak and dagger plus
Paperclip Nazi stuff, is why any cross-agency collaboration simply
isn't going to happen unless there's significant job security or some
other military industrial complex benefits besides doing what's
right. Of course protecting our own butts is going to benefit others,
which should seriously piss off the oligarchs to no end.
This (EC 2013) is simply yet another “I told you so”, though
fortunately one of only a glancing blow.
It’s certainly heating up, as one by one we get to play dodge asteroid
asteroid sneaking past our radars as it passes inside of our moon’s
orbit, and it’ll be those of retrograde added velocity that’ll always
impose the greatest sneak attack threat, including those of global
life extinction potential.
2013 EC as yet another 19+ meter killer asteroid that could have been
headed directly for us. For all we know, as the Sirius Oort cloud
closes in, we’re in for a gauntlet of even bigger surprises unless
those observations pick up and our long-range radars are never turned
closes in, we’re in for a gauntlet of even bigger surprises unless
off.
Too bad our spendy JWST still can’t be counted on, because the Sirius
Oort cloud that has lots to offer is going to keep us wondering,
what’s next. At least once we’ve tunneled ourselves deep into our
physically dark and extremely tough moon, we’ll be safe from all but
the most planet killer asteroids or planetoids headed our way via
Sirius that released all sorts of big stuff.
This is simply becoming yet another “I told you so”, with an ever
increasing asteroid threat looming and growing by the year. It’s
certainly heating up, as one by one we get to play dodge asteroid.
Perhaps pretty soon it’ll start acting more like Whack-a-Mole. Almost
certainly heating up, as one by one we get to play dodge asteroid.
daily an undiscovered asteroid sneaks past our radars as it passes
inside of our moon’s orbit (Apollo style), and it’ll be those of
retrograde added velocity that’ll always impose the greatest threat.
inside of our moon’s orbit (Apollo style), and it’ll be those of
Fortunately, most will be of less than 10 meters and for the most part
harmlessly self-destruct before reaching the ground.
Conservatively those Sirius Oort clouds could easily represent a
million fold the mass of our Oort cloud, especially with the tidal
loss of its planets and asteroid belts, not to mention its enormous
2013-EC as simply yet another 19 meter killer asteroid that could have
just as easily been headed directly for us. For all we know, as the
Sirius Oort cloud closes in, we’re in for quite a busy gauntlet of
even bigger surprises, unless our observations pick up and our long
range radars are never turned off.
Too bad our spendy JWST can’t be counted on for spotting those IR cool
asteroids, because the Sirius Oort cloud that has lots to offer is
going to keep us on our toes and wondering, what’s next. At least once
we’ve tunneled ourselves sufficiently deep into our moon, we’ll be
relatively safe from all but the most planet killer asteroids or
planetoids headed our way via those Sirius stars closing in at 7.6 km/
sec plus whatever proper motions of orbital velocity differentials
going to keep us on our toes and wondering, what’s next. At least once
we’ve tunneled ourselves sufficiently deep into our moon, we’ll be
relatively safe from all but the most planet killer asteroids or
planetoids headed our way via those Sirius stars closing in at 7.6 km/
that can easily add up to 60+ km/sec.
The real coincidence we can all identify with is how such a lethal
threat is handed off to us by our peers, as yet another no big deal
because it missed us, and obviously we really don’t care about
Russians or any other nation that’s put at risk. Google-NOVA was
attempting to point this out, but even they have higher authority to
obey, so they can only go so far within the context of their televised
infomercial, whereas naming names and finger pointing isn’t allowed.
Brad Guth
Mar 28, 2013, 3:09:26 PM3/28/13
to
The most common mainstream status-quo certified excuse for not
accomplishing off-world exploitation is that it isn’t affordable, and
yet decades worth of mutually perpetrated cold-wars, politically faith-
based proxy wars and their artificial global inflation that’s mostly
energy based, is somehow worth every last public funded penny to these
redneck oligarch minions that are the only devout naysayers and FUD-
masters among the rest of us. Go figure.
Having a nearby failsafe kind of asteroid proof habitat, such as
easily constructed within our trusty moon, seems like a really good
survival lifeboat kind of idea. Not that many other valid reasons for
told you so”, though fortunately one of only a glancing blow and puny
size, as there are thousands of really big (km+) sized items zooming
around, and only one of those has to get slightly perturbed to make
them into serious life extinction worthy events.
It’s certainly heating up, as one by one we get to play dodge asteroid
and otherwise prey a lot. Almost daily we get another undiscovered
asteroid sneaking past our radars as it passes inside of our moon’s
orbit, and it’ll be those of retrograde added velocity that’ll always
impose the greatest sneak-attack threat, including those of global
instead of the glancing 20 degree profile. For all we know, as the
view, with an ever increasing asteroid threat looming and growing by
somewhat larger items are not going to fully disintegrate within our
thin atmosphere, such as those of paramagnetic basalt and carbonado
shouldn’t have any problems getting through.
Conservatively those Sirius Oort clouds could easily represent a
million fold the mass of our Oort cloud, especially with the tidal
loss of its planets and asteroid belts, not to mention its enormous
Oort cloud radius that’s well populated.
2013-EC as simply yet another 19 meter killer asteroid of less than 3
g/cm3 density that could have just as easily been headed directly for
metallicity, unless our observations pick up and our long range radars
keeping us on our toes and wondering, what’s next. However, at least
will get to head our way. No doubt most every star has an asteroid
belt plus an Oort cloud that's populated with all sorts of stuff. Our
asteroid belt and Oort cloud of somewhat wandering/nomad items of
extremely lose gravitational orbiting status, could easily amount to
1e24 kg, and the Sirius group could amount to at least 1e30 kg unless
the considerable demise of Sirius(b) simply doesn't count.
About the same time or shortly after Sirius(b) terminated into a white
dwarf, Earth got another lithobraking wakeup call (aka biodiversity
reset) in the form of a really big asteroid that delivered an Earth
shattering blow.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1112812143/asteroid-impact-at-chicxulub-crater-created-global-firestorm-032813/
Of course the 2500 km crater on the south pole of our moon plus the
matching indent zone of a similar impact as having created our Arctic
ocean basin had likely taken place long before, and most likely having
given us our seasonal tilt. Of course the abrupt end of the last ice-
age as of 11,713 years ago might also suggest a more recent asteroid
or small planetoid impact.
The real coincidence we can all identify with, is how such a lethal
accomplishing off-world exploitation is that it isn’t affordable, and
yet decades worth of mutually perpetrated cold-wars, politically faith-
based proxy wars and their artificial global inflation that’s mostly
energy based, is somehow worth every last public funded penny to these
redneck oligarch minions that are the only devout naysayers and FUD-
masters among the rest of us. Go figure.
Having a nearby failsafe kind of asteroid proof habitat, such as
easily constructed within our trusty moon, seems like a really good
exploiting our moon don’t already exist.
Thanks to Google NOVA, we get to learn as to what the recent asteroid
was and kinda where it came from, and as it turns out there was no
recent asteroid or NEO coincidence, other than our Oort cloud and the
merging Sirius Oort cloud will each deliver millions of significant
asteroids as potential NEOs in addition to all the thousands of local
asteroid belt items that can be easily disrupted enough to head
directly towards us, as well as making any 19+ meter rock of 10,000+
tonnes seem relatively small by comparison of what's actually out
there and having our name on it.
Getting the USAF or any other military agency to share public funded
science with our mostly civilian NASA probably isn't going to happen,
at least not within our generation nor the next dozen that are
national and personal debt screwed to the tune of 18+ trillion anyway.
Thanks to our NASA/Apollo era of double/triple agents getting away
with all sorts of mutually perpetrated cold-war cloak and dagger plus
Paperclip Nazi stuff, is why any cross-agency collaboration simply
isn't going to happen unless there's significant job security or some
other military industrial complex benefits besides doing what's
right. Of course protecting our own butts is also going to benefit
asteroids as potential NEOs in addition to all the thousands of local
asteroid belt items that can be easily disrupted enough to head
directly towards us, as well as making any 19+ meter rock of 10,000+
tonnes seem relatively small by comparison of what's actually out
there and having our name on it.
Getting the USAF or any other military agency to share public funded
science with our mostly civilian NASA probably isn't going to happen,
at least not within our generation nor the next dozen that are
national and personal debt screwed to the tune of 18+ trillion anyway.
Thanks to our NASA/Apollo era of double/triple agents getting away
with all sorts of mutually perpetrated cold-war cloak and dagger plus
Paperclip Nazi stuff, is why any cross-agency collaboration simply
isn't going to happen unless there's significant job security or some
other military industrial complex benefits besides doing what's
others, which should seriously piss off the oligarchs to no end.
This (EC 2013) relatively modest asteroid is simply yet another “I
told you so”, though fortunately one of only a glancing blow and puny
size, as there are thousands of really big (km+) sized items zooming
around, and only one of those has to get slightly perturbed to make
them into serious life extinction worthy events.
It’s certainly heating up, as one by one we get to play dodge asteroid
and otherwise prey a lot. Almost daily we get another undiscovered
asteroid sneaking past our radars as it passes inside of our moon’s
orbit, and it’ll be those of retrograde added velocity that’ll always
life extinction potential.
2013 EC as yet another 19+ meter killer asteroid that could have been
headed directly for us at 20+ km/sec and arriving at 60 degrees
2013 EC as yet another 19+ meter killer asteroid that could have been
instead of the glancing 20 degree profile. For all we know, as the
Sirius Oort cloud closes in, we’re in for a gauntlet of even bigger
surprises unless those observations pick up and our long-range radars
are never turned off.
Too bad our spendy JWST still can’t be counted on, because the Sirius
Oort cloud that has lots to offer is going to keep us wondering,
what’s next. At least once we’ve tunneled ourselves deep into our
physically dark and extremely tough moon, we’ll be safe from all but
the most planet killer asteroids or planetoids headed our way via
Sirius that released all sorts of big stuff.
This is simply becoming yet another “I told you so” from my point of
surprises unless those observations pick up and our long-range radars
are never turned off.
Too bad our spendy JWST still can’t be counted on, because the Sirius
Oort cloud that has lots to offer is going to keep us wondering,
what’s next. At least once we’ve tunneled ourselves deep into our
physically dark and extremely tough moon, we’ll be safe from all but
the most planet killer asteroids or planetoids headed our way via
Sirius that released all sorts of big stuff.
view, with an ever increasing asteroid threat looming and growing by
the year. It’s certainly heating up, as one by one we get to play
dodge asteroid. Perhaps pretty soon it’ll start acting more like
Whack-a-Mole, because almost daily an undiscovered asteroid sneaks
dodge asteroid. Perhaps pretty soon it’ll start acting more like
past our radars as it passes inside of our moon’s orbit (Apollo
style), and it’ll be those of retrograde added velocity that’ll always
impose the greatest sneak-attack threat. Fortunately, most of those
style), and it’ll be those of retrograde added velocity that’ll always
will be of less than 10 meters and for the most part harmlessly self-
destruct before reaching the ground. However, the metal rich and
somewhat larger items are not going to fully disintegrate within our
thin atmosphere, such as those of paramagnetic basalt and carbonado
shouldn’t have any problems getting through.
Conservatively those Sirius Oort clouds could easily represent a
million fold the mass of our Oort cloud, especially with the tidal
loss of its planets and asteroid belts, not to mention its enormous
Oort cloud radius that’s well populated.
g/cm3 density that could have just as easily been headed directly for
us. For all we know, as the Sirius Oort cloud closes in, we’re in for
quite a busy gauntlet of even bigger surprises with greater
metallicity, unless our observations pick up and our long range radars
are never turned off.
Too bad our spendy JWST can’t be counted on for spotting those IR cool
asteroids, because the Sirius Oort cloud should have lots to offer,
Too bad our spendy JWST can’t be counted on for spotting those IR cool
keeping us on our toes and wondering, what’s next. However, at least
once we’ve tunneled ourselves sufficiently deep into our moon, we’ll
be relatively safe from all but the most planet killer asteroids or
planetoids headed our way via those Sirius stars closing in at 7.6 km/
sec plus whatever proper motions of orbital velocity differentials
that can easily add up to 60+ km/sec.
As asteroids interact and eventually slow down, at least some of those
be relatively safe from all but the most planet killer asteroids or
planetoids headed our way via those Sirius stars closing in at 7.6 km/
sec plus whatever proper motions of orbital velocity differentials
that can easily add up to 60+ km/sec.
will get to head our way. No doubt most every star has an asteroid
belt plus an Oort cloud that's populated with all sorts of stuff. Our
asteroid belt and Oort cloud of somewhat wandering/nomad items of
extremely lose gravitational orbiting status, could easily amount to
1e24 kg, and the Sirius group could amount to at least 1e30 kg unless
the considerable demise of Sirius(b) simply doesn't count.
About the same time or shortly after Sirius(b) terminated into a white
dwarf, Earth got another lithobraking wakeup call (aka biodiversity
reset) in the form of a really big asteroid that delivered an Earth
shattering blow.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1112812143/asteroid-impact-at-chicxulub-crater-created-global-firestorm-032813/
Of course the 2500 km crater on the south pole of our moon plus the
matching indent zone of a similar impact as having created our Arctic
ocean basin had likely taken place long before, and most likely having
given us our seasonal tilt. Of course the abrupt end of the last ice-
age as of 11,713 years ago might also suggest a more recent asteroid
or small planetoid impact.
The real coincidence we can all identify with, is how such a lethal
threat is handed off to us by our peers, as yet another no big deal
because it missed us, and obviously we really don’t care about
Russians or any other nation that’s put at risk. Google-NOVA was
attempting to point this out, but even they have higher authority to
obey, so they can only go so far within the context of their televised
infomercial, whereas naming names and finger pointing isn’t allowed
unless it only makes other nations look inferior.
because it missed us, and obviously we really don’t care about
Russians or any other nation that’s put at risk. Google-NOVA was
attempting to point this out, but even they have higher authority to
obey, so they can only go so far within the context of their televised
infomercial, whereas naming names and finger pointing isn’t allowed
Brad Guth
Mar 31, 2013, 2:02:46 PM3/31/13
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Terraforming the innards of our moon is simply not for everyone, at
least not until many km worth of TBM created tunnels are established
and the logistics are fully in place for accommodating us humans
without our having to wear those bulky and spendy moonsuits.
Underground habitats for those exploiting our moon shouldn’t be any
different than TBMs excavating through the bedrock of Earth. Of
course the much tougher paramagnetic basalt and possibly carbonado of
that physically dark lunar crust is going to take longer, and at first
it’s going to seriously cost like hell. However, once established
with a thousand plus km worth of large diameter tunnel volume to work
with, it’s all down-hill so to speak, and than eventually millions and
even conceivably billions of us can be relocated to our moon, or we
could just make it into a global penal colony of hard labor, and call
it good.
Surviving on any other planet or its moon is always going to require a
degree of personal and investment risk, just like most forms of
way are going to be few and far between unless our actions of
exploitations manage to interact with ETs that were there first.
Besides all the potential of exploiting rare earth elements that by
rights should be right on the surface and otherwise within our moon,
and of the relative ease via TBMs mining and other mostly robotics
processing those valuable elements for their economical export to
Earth, not to mention the enormous solar and electrostatic charged
farads worth of energy that our moon could provide via a tethered
transmitting element reaching to within 6r of Earth, there’s always
the commercial CVD process of creating volumes of industrial sized
diamond on demand, that by itself should more than pay for the all-
inclusive infrastructure.
Creating large scale diamonds could be very useful for all sorts of
habitat as nicely protected by all of that fused paramagnetic basalt
and carbonado within the extremely tough bedrock crust of our moon.
least not until many km worth of TBM created tunnels are established
and the logistics are fully in place for accommodating us humans
without our having to wear those bulky and spendy moonsuits.
Underground habitats for those exploiting our moon shouldn’t be any
different than TBMs excavating through the bedrock of Earth. Of
course the much tougher paramagnetic basalt and possibly carbonado of
that physically dark lunar crust is going to take longer, and at first
it’s going to seriously cost like hell. However, once established
with a thousand plus km worth of large diameter tunnel volume to work
with, it’s all down-hill so to speak, and than eventually millions and
even conceivably billions of us can be relocated to our moon, or we
could just make it into a global penal colony of hard labor, and call
it good.
Surviving on any other planet or its moon is always going to require a
degree of personal and investment risk, just like most forms of
exploitations right here on Earth carry all sorts of risks (including
social/political considerations in addition to those often
insurmountable faith-based issues) and there’s always environmental
trauma that’s usually all negative. The obvious off-world advantage
is that environmentalists or special-interest groups getting in the
trauma that’s usually all negative. The obvious off-world advantage
way are going to be few and far between unless our actions of
exploitations manage to interact with ETs that were there first.
Besides all the potential of exploiting rare earth elements that by
rights should be right on the surface and otherwise within our moon,
and of the relative ease via TBMs mining and other mostly robotics
processing those valuable elements for their economical export to
Earth, not to mention the enormous solar and electrostatic charged
farads worth of energy that our moon could provide via a tethered
transmitting element reaching to within 6r of Earth, there’s always
the commercial CVD process of creating volumes of industrial sized
diamond on demand, that by itself should more than pay for the all-
inclusive infrastructure.
stuff (including unlimited length tether fibers) that would make our
lives a whole lot better, cleaner and safer, not to mention a whole
lot less bloody than natural terrestrial diamonds represent.
The same argument goes for extracting and processing several other
lives a whole lot better, cleaner and safer, not to mention a whole
lot less bloody than natural terrestrial diamonds represent.
elements of sufficient value that our moon should have to offer, not
to mention the use of those TBM excavated tunnels for future human
habitat as nicely protected by all of that fused paramagnetic basalt
and carbonado within the extremely tough bedrock crust of our moon.
Brad Guth
Mar 31, 2013, 2:32:37 PM3/31/13
to
naysayers and FUD-masters like our Usenet/newsgroup contributor
"Hagar", rabbi Saul Levy and a few dozen others, that always get to
topic/author stalk and toy with us while hiding their true redneck ID,
is when intellectual and scientific progress that’s mostly public
funded can be made to happen, along with private investments taking on
added risk of various off-world considerations.
Perhaps putting a "dead or alive" bounty on the heads of such
intellectual treason and their highly mainstream protected form of
terrorism might go a long ways towards getting this accomplished,
because obviously the upper 0.1% caste of mostly redneck oligarchs
hiding behind their faith-based cults/cabals and their mafia run media
could care less about how much of their mainstream damage-control gets
away with intellectual treason and terrorism that's continually
imposed upon the rest of us, because it really doesn’t seem to matter
who we elect or appoint when the existing oligarchs remain in control.
Puppet warlords like Hitler counted on this method of mainstream
oligarch protection and quite obviously he directly benefited from
their mainstream media damage control, as essentially for the most
part of their global domination quest got way better action and
results per dollar and per bullet than he could have otherwise
achieved without the mainstream private sector of global banking and
faith-based authority keeping the rest of us snookered and dumbfounded
past the point of no return.
You can kid yourself all you like, but any true off-world
accomplishments are not going to ever be risk-free, or even without
spilling blood if the existing oligarchs have anything to say about
it.
Brad Guth
Apr 1, 2013, 9:28:48 AM4/1/13
to
Inside of our moon is not going to be much different than tunneling
inside of Earth, especially once our TBMs get below that paramagnetic
basalt and carbonado crust.
inside of Earth, especially once our TBMs get below that paramagnetic
basalt and carbonado crust.
Brad Guth
Apr 1, 2013, 1:41:51 PM4/1/13
to
On Apr 1, 6:28 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Inside of our moon is not going to be much different than tunneling
> inside of Earth, especially once our TBMs get below that paramagnetic
> basalt and carbonado crust.
>
> Inside of our moon is not going to be much different than tunneling
> inside of Earth, especially once our TBMs get below that paramagnetic
> basalt and carbonado crust.
>
traveling ETs would certainly have them.
Mention TBMs and all the sudden our Usenet/newsgroups lights go out.
What's up with that?
Brad Guth
Apr 2, 2013, 3:59:13 PM4/2/13
to
It's as though there is something oddly mainstream taboo/forbidden or
nondisclosure associated with any notions of independently exploiting
the likely soft innards of our moon. Go figure.
Once TBMs are situated and working deep underground (other than remote
logistics issues that at first should be daunting), what's the likely
geological difference between our moon and Earth?
Inside the crust of our moon is probably not going to be all that much
different than tunneling inside of Earth’s granite and basalt,
especially once our TBMs get sufficiently into and below that
extremely tough paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of 3.5+ g/cm3
that our NASA/Apollo era documented as offering a much lower density
as well as perfectly inert (not the least bit paramagnetic) and
otherwise mostly monochromatic as well as hardly the least bit dusty
on top. However, the greatly reduced gravity should by rights yield a
very soft or porous kind of innards, along with gas formed geode
pockets and possibly layers of mineral brines (even a potential of
hydrocarbons in addition to encountering a great deal of fused crust
sequestered helium), in that TBMs should whiz right through at a
fraction of the difficulty found in dealing with the inner bedrock of
Earth.
No doubt the resident redneck FUD-masters and their oligarchs in
charge of mainstream damage-control, by having to continually
sequester such independent notions about exploiting our moon, are
going to need many extra Depends(aka adult diapers) in order to
effectively deal with their usual topic/author stalking and trashing
of this topic. Sorry about that.
Fortunately, we only have to be realistic in order to appreciate what
the soft innards of our moon should have to offer, not to mention my
other notions of creating the LSE-CM/ISS and of otherwise relocating
the orbit of our moon as to actively station-keeping it within Earth
L1. At least Stanley Kubrick would be so proud, not to mention most
every global domination villain on Earth, including our Paperclip
Nazis that supposedly got us safely to/from our moon.
Figuring that fewer than 10% access my topics and replies via Google
Groups or Groups+, makes my global Usenet/newsgroup audience worth at
least 44,710 per week.
Google Groups: Your 7-day activity
1 discussion started
4 discussions replies
18 direct replies to your messages
4471 views of your messages
31 views of your profile
Not sure if this reported activity is necessarily a good or bad thing,
but it seems to reflect that others are finding some of what I have to
offer as either worth their while or at least entertaining. Perhaps
not too many teachers or instructors would have nearly the same
audience to brag about, and especially those of my devoted FUD-masters
as having an audience of roughly zero once excluding others of their
own redneck kind that must always brown-nose their oligarch peers, or
else.
nondisclosure associated with any notions of independently exploiting
the likely soft innards of our moon. Go figure.
Once TBMs are situated and working deep underground (other than remote
logistics issues that at first should be daunting), what's the likely
geological difference between our moon and Earth?
Inside the crust of our moon is probably not going to be all that much
different than tunneling inside of Earth’s granite and basalt,
especially once our TBMs get sufficiently into and below that
extremely tough paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of 3.5+ g/cm3
that our NASA/Apollo era documented as offering a much lower density
as well as perfectly inert (not the least bit paramagnetic) and
otherwise mostly monochromatic as well as hardly the least bit dusty
on top. However, the greatly reduced gravity should by rights yield a
very soft or porous kind of innards, along with gas formed geode
pockets and possibly layers of mineral brines (even a potential of
hydrocarbons in addition to encountering a great deal of fused crust
sequestered helium), in that TBMs should whiz right through at a
fraction of the difficulty found in dealing with the inner bedrock of
Earth.
No doubt the resident redneck FUD-masters and their oligarchs in
charge of mainstream damage-control, by having to continually
sequester such independent notions about exploiting our moon, are
going to need many extra Depends(aka adult diapers) in order to
effectively deal with their usual topic/author stalking and trashing
of this topic. Sorry about that.
Fortunately, we only have to be realistic in order to appreciate what
the soft innards of our moon should have to offer, not to mention my
other notions of creating the LSE-CM/ISS and of otherwise relocating
the orbit of our moon as to actively station-keeping it within Earth
L1. At least Stanley Kubrick would be so proud, not to mention most
every global domination villain on Earth, including our Paperclip
Nazis that supposedly got us safely to/from our moon.
Figuring that fewer than 10% access my topics and replies via Google
Groups or Groups+, makes my global Usenet/newsgroup audience worth at
least 44,710 per week.
Google Groups: Your 7-day activity
1 discussion started
4 discussions replies
18 direct replies to your messages
4471 views of your messages
31 views of your profile
Not sure if this reported activity is necessarily a good or bad thing,
but it seems to reflect that others are finding some of what I have to
offer as either worth their while or at least entertaining. Perhaps
not too many teachers or instructors would have nearly the same
audience to brag about, and especially those of my devoted FUD-masters
as having an audience of roughly zero once excluding others of their
own redneck kind that must always brown-nose their oligarch peers, or
else.
Brad Guth
Apr 3, 2013, 5:44:30 PM4/3/13
to
The mainstream status-quo matrix is a sealed cabal/mafia policy, that
uses the Skull and Bones cult/cabal of enforcers in order to suit
whatever the white Rothschild oligarchs ask of them. None of these
folks can be elected or appointed by any republic process, because
they remain in power and authority regardless of whomever we elect or
appoint. In other words, since long before the time of Jesus Christ,
nothing has really changed.
Indeed, there’s a greater power and total awareness that is either
watching over us or is simply capable of manipulating our future in
order to suit their own agenda. I'm certain that we'll eventually be
doing the exact same thing to others, once we discover some planet or
suitable moon with only heathens to deal with (perhaps similar to us
humans as of prior to 10,000 BC, when we had terrific survival skills
and could accomplish extremely good detailed crafts and art, but still
had no idea about any big old moon nor having understandings or
awareness of any seasons or tides that had to have been truly dynamic
as well as quite shock and awe worthy).
Meanwhile our resident FUD-masters and their ZNR/GOP peers of mostly
redneck white oligarchs, that all seem to defensively act/react
exactly like devout Semites with everything they represent always put
at risk by almost anything we might have to say, have been yanking our
chains and keeping the likes of yourself from ever getting that little
piece of land or other personal sense of security. It seems the last
thing our white oligarchs want of us is getting any independent
investigative lip published about the past that they created for us by
either perpetrating a ruse or by selectively allowing only certain
things to happen.
Simply by excluding the good accomplishments and the personal kindness
of most any individual or group, whereas even the most saint worthy
individuals can be easily made to look like the worst kind of
monsters, simply by how mainstream media and their K-12 textbooks
present them to us. In other words, you get little if any credits or
respect for all the good things you’ve accomplished if there’s so much
as one strike or mistake against you, because as a whole we do not
reward those doing good to the same degree as we punish or discredit
those as having occasionally or even rarely done badly at something.
In other words, you typically have to be all mainstream status-quo
gung ho and patriotically proper, or you’ll get nothing in return, not
even for the good things accomplished. In fact, you can even be an
extremely bad-ass redneck and pro ZNR/GOP type doing all sorts of
perfectly nasty stuff, and it’s all good as long as you never question
the oligarch authority and accept only their version of history.
Getting positive/constructive results from others that we tend to put
at risk by exposing their FUD and clownish methods of snookering and
fooling others, as such isn't likely to change anything for the
better, especially as long as each generation of K-12s are not even
permitted to read any of our stuff or much less interact by
contributing any of their own context, because sadly it's only the
next generations that can possibly save us from ourselves, and perhaps
that’s the last thing our oligarchs want to see happen.
Only the likes of Google NOVA can produce televised productions
that’ll offer sufficient eyecandy that our K-12s would pay any
attention to, and unfortunately the oligarchs in charge of Google NOVA
have no intentions of ever revising their infomercial format in order
to include anything you or I might have to say. So, the dogma and
manifesto of their mainstream status quo shall continue regardless of
whatever you or I have to say.
They simply can’t afford to let one of us ftom the lower 99.9% caste
slip through or otherwise sneak into their gated community, because
others would start asking questions and doing their own independent
investigative research outside of mainstream oligarch policy. Even
William Mook would have lots to say, and could proceed with several of
his technology ideas of making our world a better and more affordable
place.
With the power and authority of Google NOVA at our disposal, perhaps
all sorts of new and improved public education could be accomplished.
Of course the same might be said of our Smithsonian and National
Geographic that could each publish the whole truth and nothing but the
truth, at least from time to time. Even Astronomy Magazine could use
some of whatever could contribute to full disclosure, but that too is
unlikely because of who owns and/or controls such mainstream media.
Not that much of what we’re being told isn’t 100% truthful, but it’s
what’d being obfuscated or withheld that should be considered as
intellectually treasonous, especially when those actions and/or
research results are public funded to begin with.
"Just because the government lies, doesn't mean that everyone else is
telling the truth.” / Bast
“whoever controls the past, controls the future” / George Orwell
Interesting how spending billions on theoretical physics and deep
space cosmology science that’s mostly subjective and in no way putting
any grain or gram of food on our table, much less responsible for
making any other part of our lives better off, is none the less
continually getting justified and eyecandy hyped via multiple
mainstream media and the likes of Google NOVA, all the while mutually
perpetrated cold-wars and proxy wars are being created and/or kept
going strong, in spite of their environmental and social/political
consequences, as well as having been diverting of public funding and
our best talents away from resolving actual global infrastructure as
well as human and biodiversity extinction issues related to the
population growth and depletion of global resources. Apparently
oligarch reasoning and their priorities are on a superior level than
those of the lower 99.9% caste that always get to pay for everything
our oligarchs insist upon or manage to get us involved with.
Perhaps once the vast bulk of our natural hydrocarbons are expended
and there’s nothing terrestrial that’s honestly taking its place (at
least not affordably), and the 95% mass culling of humanity reduces
the demand on what few global resources there are, as well as most
everything cost inflated by yet another hundredfold, it should all
become perfectly clear as to why this had to happen, and in only the
way it’s occurring so that oligarchs and their army of brown-nosed
minions living large are allowed to continue regardless of whatever
the consequences.
uses the Skull and Bones cult/cabal of enforcers in order to suit
whatever the white Rothschild oligarchs ask of them. None of these
folks can be elected or appointed by any republic process, because
they remain in power and authority regardless of whomever we elect or
appoint. In other words, since long before the time of Jesus Christ,
nothing has really changed.
Indeed, there’s a greater power and total awareness that is either
watching over us or is simply capable of manipulating our future in
order to suit their own agenda. I'm certain that we'll eventually be
doing the exact same thing to others, once we discover some planet or
suitable moon with only heathens to deal with (perhaps similar to us
humans as of prior to 10,000 BC, when we had terrific survival skills
and could accomplish extremely good detailed crafts and art, but still
had no idea about any big old moon nor having understandings or
awareness of any seasons or tides that had to have been truly dynamic
as well as quite shock and awe worthy).
Meanwhile our resident FUD-masters and their ZNR/GOP peers of mostly
redneck white oligarchs, that all seem to defensively act/react
exactly like devout Semites with everything they represent always put
at risk by almost anything we might have to say, have been yanking our
chains and keeping the likes of yourself from ever getting that little
piece of land or other personal sense of security. It seems the last
thing our white oligarchs want of us is getting any independent
investigative lip published about the past that they created for us by
either perpetrating a ruse or by selectively allowing only certain
things to happen.
Simply by excluding the good accomplishments and the personal kindness
of most any individual or group, whereas even the most saint worthy
individuals can be easily made to look like the worst kind of
monsters, simply by how mainstream media and their K-12 textbooks
present them to us. In other words, you get little if any credits or
respect for all the good things you’ve accomplished if there’s so much
as one strike or mistake against you, because as a whole we do not
reward those doing good to the same degree as we punish or discredit
those as having occasionally or even rarely done badly at something.
In other words, you typically have to be all mainstream status-quo
gung ho and patriotically proper, or you’ll get nothing in return, not
even for the good things accomplished. In fact, you can even be an
extremely bad-ass redneck and pro ZNR/GOP type doing all sorts of
perfectly nasty stuff, and it’s all good as long as you never question
the oligarch authority and accept only their version of history.
Getting positive/constructive results from others that we tend to put
at risk by exposing their FUD and clownish methods of snookering and
fooling others, as such isn't likely to change anything for the
better, especially as long as each generation of K-12s are not even
permitted to read any of our stuff or much less interact by
contributing any of their own context, because sadly it's only the
next generations that can possibly save us from ourselves, and perhaps
that’s the last thing our oligarchs want to see happen.
Only the likes of Google NOVA can produce televised productions
that’ll offer sufficient eyecandy that our K-12s would pay any
attention to, and unfortunately the oligarchs in charge of Google NOVA
have no intentions of ever revising their infomercial format in order
to include anything you or I might have to say. So, the dogma and
manifesto of their mainstream status quo shall continue regardless of
whatever you or I have to say.
They simply can’t afford to let one of us ftom the lower 99.9% caste
slip through or otherwise sneak into their gated community, because
others would start asking questions and doing their own independent
investigative research outside of mainstream oligarch policy. Even
William Mook would have lots to say, and could proceed with several of
his technology ideas of making our world a better and more affordable
place.
With the power and authority of Google NOVA at our disposal, perhaps
all sorts of new and improved public education could be accomplished.
Of course the same might be said of our Smithsonian and National
Geographic that could each publish the whole truth and nothing but the
truth, at least from time to time. Even Astronomy Magazine could use
some of whatever could contribute to full disclosure, but that too is
unlikely because of who owns and/or controls such mainstream media.
Not that much of what we’re being told isn’t 100% truthful, but it’s
what’d being obfuscated or withheld that should be considered as
intellectually treasonous, especially when those actions and/or
research results are public funded to begin with.
"Just because the government lies, doesn't mean that everyone else is
telling the truth.” / Bast
“whoever controls the past, controls the future” / George Orwell
Interesting how spending billions on theoretical physics and deep
space cosmology science that’s mostly subjective and in no way putting
any grain or gram of food on our table, much less responsible for
making any other part of our lives better off, is none the less
continually getting justified and eyecandy hyped via multiple
mainstream media and the likes of Google NOVA, all the while mutually
perpetrated cold-wars and proxy wars are being created and/or kept
going strong, in spite of their environmental and social/political
consequences, as well as having been diverting of public funding and
our best talents away from resolving actual global infrastructure as
well as human and biodiversity extinction issues related to the
population growth and depletion of global resources. Apparently
oligarch reasoning and their priorities are on a superior level than
those of the lower 99.9% caste that always get to pay for everything
our oligarchs insist upon or manage to get us involved with.
Perhaps once the vast bulk of our natural hydrocarbons are expended
and there’s nothing terrestrial that’s honestly taking its place (at
least not affordably), and the 95% mass culling of humanity reduces
the demand on what few global resources there are, as well as most
everything cost inflated by yet another hundredfold, it should all
become perfectly clear as to why this had to happen, and in only the
way it’s occurring so that oligarchs and their army of brown-nosed
minions living large are allowed to continue regardless of whatever
the consequences.
Brad Guth
Apr 3, 2013, 7:22:44 PM4/3/13
to
Besides the mainstream naysay gauntlet against ever exploiting the
extremely nearby planet Venus for all it’s worth, it's as though there
is also something oddly mainstream taboo/forbidden or nondisclosure
Once TBMs are situated and working sufficiently deep underground
technology of their fly-by-rocket landers that can be manually flown
and easily scaled to suit. However, the greatly reduced gravity
author stalk and otherwise sequester such independent notions about
exploiting our moon, are probably going to need many extra Depends(aka
adult diapers) in order to effectively deal with their usual damage-
control exploits of topic/author stalking and trashing of this topic.
Google Groups: Your 7-day activity
1 discussion started
3 discussions replies
24 direct replies to your messages
4456 views of your messages
30 views of your profile
Not sure if this reported activity is necessarily a good or bad thing,
but it seems to reflect that others are finding some of what I have to
offer as either worth their while or at least entertaining. Perhaps
not too many teachers or instructors would have nearly the same
audience to brag about, and especially those of my devoted FUD-masters
as having an audience of roughly zero once excluding others of their
own redneck kind that must always brown-nose their oligarch peers, or
else.
extremely nearby planet Venus for all it’s worth, it's as though there
is also something oddly mainstream taboo/forbidden or nondisclosure
associated with any notions of independently exploiting the likely
soft innards of our physically dark and paramagnetic moon. Go figure.
Once TBMs are situated and working sufficiently deep underground
(other than remote logistics issues that at first should be daunting),
what's the likely geological difference between our moon and Earth?
Inside the crust of our moon is probably not going to be all that much
different than tunneling inside of Earth’s granite and basalt,
especially once our TBMs get sufficiently into and below that
extremely tough paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of 3.5+ g/cm3
that our NASA/Apollo era documented as offering a much lower density
as well as perfectly inert (not the least bit paramagnetic) and
otherwise mostly monochromatic as well as hardly the least bit dusty
on top, and there certainly wasn’t any problems with the failsafe
what's the likely geological difference between our moon and Earth?
Inside the crust of our moon is probably not going to be all that much
different than tunneling inside of Earth’s granite and basalt,
especially once our TBMs get sufficiently into and below that
extremely tough paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of 3.5+ g/cm3
that our NASA/Apollo era documented as offering a much lower density
as well as perfectly inert (not the least bit paramagnetic) and
otherwise mostly monochromatic as well as hardly the least bit dusty
technology of their fly-by-rocket landers that can be manually flown
and easily scaled to suit. However, the greatly reduced gravity
should by rights yield a very soft or porous kind of innards, along
with offering gas formed geode pockets and possibly layers of mineral
brines (even a potential of hydrocarbons in addition to encountering a
great deal of fused crust sequestered helium), in that TBMs should
whiz right through at a fraction of the difficulty found in dealing
with the inner bedrock of Earth.
No doubt the resident redneck FUD-masters and their oligarchs in
charge of mainstream damage-control, by having to continually topic/
great deal of fused crust sequestered helium), in that TBMs should
whiz right through at a fraction of the difficulty found in dealing
with the inner bedrock of Earth.
No doubt the resident redneck FUD-masters and their oligarchs in
author stalk and otherwise sequester such independent notions about
exploiting our moon, are probably going to need many extra Depends(aka
adult diapers) in order to effectively deal with their usual damage-
control exploits of topic/author stalking and trashing of this topic.
Sorry about that.
Fortunately, we only have to be realistic in order to appreciate what
the soft innards of our moon should have to offer, not to mention my
other notions of creating the LSE-CM/ISS and of otherwise relocating
the orbit of our moon as to actively station-keeping it within Earth
L1. At least Stanley Kubrick would be so proud, not to mention most
every global domination villain on Earth, including our Paperclip
Nazis that supposedly got us safely to/from our moon.
Figuring that fewer than 10% access my topics and replies via Google
Groups or Groups+, makes my global Usenet/newsgroup audience worth at
least 44,560 per week.
Fortunately, we only have to be realistic in order to appreciate what
the soft innards of our moon should have to offer, not to mention my
other notions of creating the LSE-CM/ISS and of otherwise relocating
the orbit of our moon as to actively station-keeping it within Earth
L1. At least Stanley Kubrick would be so proud, not to mention most
every global domination villain on Earth, including our Paperclip
Nazis that supposedly got us safely to/from our moon.
Figuring that fewer than 10% access my topics and replies via Google
Groups or Groups+, makes my global Usenet/newsgroup audience worth at
Google Groups: Your 7-day activity
1 discussion started
24 direct replies to your messages
4456 views of your messages
30 views of your profile
Not sure if this reported activity is necessarily a good or bad thing,
but it seems to reflect that others are finding some of what I have to
offer as either worth their while or at least entertaining. Perhaps
not too many teachers or instructors would have nearly the same
audience to brag about, and especially those of my devoted FUD-masters
as having an audience of roughly zero once excluding others of their
own redneck kind that must always brown-nose their oligarch peers, or
else.
Brad Guth
Apr 7, 2013, 1:34:47 AM4/7/13
to
I'm still being looked at, and my moon relocation proposal isn't the
topic distraction from exploiting our moon that one might think. If
we can manage to get TBMs working the innards of our moon, there's a
good chance that relocation of our moon isn't far behind.
Google Groups 7-day activity
17 discussions replies
15 direct replies to your messages
5039 views of your messages
27 views of your profile
topic distraction from exploiting our moon that one might think. If
we can manage to get TBMs working the innards of our moon, there's a
good chance that relocation of our moon isn't far behind.
Google Groups 7-day activity
17 discussions replies
15 direct replies to your messages
5039 views of your messages
27 views of your profile
Brad Guth
Apr 7, 2013, 1:13:36 PM4/7/13
to
On Apr 3, 4:22 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Besides the mainstream naysay gauntlet against ever exploiting the
> extremely nearby planet Venus for all it’s worth, it's as though there
> is also something oddly mainstream taboo/forbidden or nondisclosure
> associated with any notions of independently exploiting the likely
> soft innards of our physically dark and paramagneticmoon. Go figure.
> extremely nearby planet Venus for all it’s worth, it's as though there
> is also something oddly mainstream taboo/forbidden or nondisclosure
> associated with any notions of independently exploiting the likely
>
> Once TBMs are situated and working sufficiently deep underground
> (other than remote logistics issues that at first should be daunting),
> what's the likely geological difference between ourmoonand Earth?
> Once TBMs are situated and working sufficiently deep underground
> (other than remote logistics issues that at first should be daunting),
>
> Inside the crust of ourmoonis probably not going to be all that much
> different than tunneling inside of Earth’s granite and basalt,
> especially once our TBMs get sufficiently into and below that
> extremely tough paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of 3.5+ g/cm3
> that our NASA/Apollo era documented as offering a much lower density
> as well as perfectly inert (not the least bit paramagnetic) and
> otherwise mostly monochromatic as well as hardly the least bit dusty
> on top, and there certainly wasn’t any problems with the failsafe
> technology of their fly-by-rocket landers that can be manually flown
> and easily scaled to suit. However, the greatly reduced gravity
> should by rights yield a very soft or porous kind of innards, along
> with offering gas formed geode pockets and possibly layers of mineral
> brines (even a potential of hydrocarbons in addition to encountering a
> great deal of fused crust sequestered helium), in that TBMs should
> whiz right through at a fraction of the difficulty found in dealing
> with the inner bedrock of Earth.
>
> No doubt the resident redneck FUD-masters and their oligarchs in
> charge of mainstream damage-control, by having to continually topic/
> author stalk and otherwise sequester such independent notions about
> exploiting ourmoon, are probably going to need many extra Depends(aka
> especially once our TBMs get sufficiently into and below that
> extremely tough paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of 3.5+ g/cm3
> that our NASA/Apollo era documented as offering a much lower density
> as well as perfectly inert (not the least bit paramagnetic) and
> otherwise mostly monochromatic as well as hardly the least bit dusty
> on top, and there certainly wasn’t any problems with the failsafe
> technology of their fly-by-rocket landers that can be manually flown
> and easily scaled to suit. However, the greatly reduced gravity
> should by rights yield a very soft or porous kind of innards, along
> with offering gas formed geode pockets and possibly layers of mineral
> brines (even a potential of hydrocarbons in addition to encountering a
> great deal of fused crust sequestered helium), in that TBMs should
> whiz right through at a fraction of the difficulty found in dealing
> with the inner bedrock of Earth.
>
> No doubt the resident redneck FUD-masters and their oligarchs in
> charge of mainstream damage-control, by having to continually topic/
> author stalk and otherwise sequester such independent notions about
> adult diapers) in order to effectively deal with their usual damage-
> control exploits of topic/author stalking and trashing of this topic.
> Sorry about that.
>
> Fortunately, we only have to be realistic in order to appreciate what
> the soft innards of ourmoonshould have to offer, not to mention my
> control exploits of topic/author stalking and trashing of this topic.
> Sorry about that.
>
> Fortunately, we only have to be realistic in order to appreciate what
> other notions of creating the LSE-CM/ISS and of otherwiserelocating
> the orbit of ourmoonas to actively station-keeping it within Earth
> L1. At least Stanley Kubrick would be so proud, not to mention most
> every global domination villain on Earth, including our Paperclip
> Nazis that supposedly got us safely to/from ourmoon.
>
> Figuring that fewer than 10% access my topics and replies via Google
> Groups or Groups+, makes my global Usenet/newsgroup audience worth at
> least 44,560 per week.
>
> Google Groups: Your 7-day activity
> 1 discussion started
> 3 discussions replies
> 24 direct replies to your messages
> 4456 views of your messages
> 30 views of your profile
>
> Not sure if this reported activity is necessarily a good or bad thing,
> but it seems to reflect that others are finding some of what I have to
> offer as either worth their while or at least entertaining. Perhaps
> not too many teachers or instructors would have nearly the same
> audience to brag about, and especially those of my devoted FUD-masters
> as having an audience of roughly zero once excluding others of their
> own redneck kind that must always brown-nose their oligarch peers, or
> else.
>
Earth has way more than its fair share of water, even though most of
> every global domination villain on Earth, including our Paperclip
> Nazis that supposedly got us safely to/from ourmoon.
>
> Figuring that fewer than 10% access my topics and replies via Google
> Groups or Groups+, makes my global Usenet/newsgroup audience worth at
> least 44,560 per week.
>
> Google Groups: Your 7-day activity
> 1 discussion started
> 3 discussions replies
> 24 direct replies to your messages
> 4456 views of your messages
> 30 views of your profile
>
> Not sure if this reported activity is necessarily a good or bad thing,
> but it seems to reflect that others are finding some of what I have to
> offer as either worth their while or at least entertaining. Perhaps
> not too many teachers or instructors would have nearly the same
> audience to brag about, and especially those of my devoted FUD-masters
> as having an audience of roughly zero once excluding others of their
> own redneck kind that must always brown-nose their oligarch peers, or
> else.
>
it is salty, artificially polluted, not always where we need it most
and too often we seem to get too much of it in any one place as
stormy, frozen, thawed and flooding, and at least so far there's no
apparent shortage of oxygen (though eventually that could change as we
displace it with our volumes of CO2, NOx, Sulfurs and the likes of
hydrocarbons along with Corexit toxins plus all things connected with
multiple global military complexes that get to do as they please, just
like our global biodiversity has been forced to change or become
extinct because of us humans).
What Earth is short of (besides common sense) is any number of natural
hydrocarbons and helium, as well as numerous metals plus the vast
amount of energy resources for exploiting, processing and distributing
most of those depleted and/or rare items.
Going off-world will eventually change most of that, and it’ll
directly benefit all of humanity, as well as the global biodiversity
that should in turn directly benefit our global environment in more
ways than just making our mostly white oligarchs richer and more
powerful. The good news is that our trusty moon is a likely treasure
trove of such goodies (especially inside), not to mention what the
extremely nearby planet Venus should have to offer.
Now you can go along with either the traditional and mostly white
oligarch flow of their mainstream status quo (policy of don’t fix
anything if it isn’t already broken), and just sit back and let all
the balls drop wherever they may, or we can look ahead at the greater
potential of what exploiting off-world resources should have to offer
by essentially catching a few of those balls before they hit the
ground and fail to bounce. Instead of ignoring the GW+AGW issues that
are becoming more human caused and/or accelerated than previously
thought, perhaps we can at least consider upon what the relocation of
our moon as being actively situated within Earth L1 can do for us,
instead of it being so close and destabilizing to our global
environment.
Storms are certainly getting bad enough as the GW+AGW makes them more
frequent and measurably worse than before, though adding the extra
sucker-punch of those considerable tidal surges is what is also
clearly costing our planet at least an extra 100 billion per year to
the already trillion+ dollar cost of all those extreme weather and
seismic related issues that should be factored in. So, we get to
spend those trillion plus dollars per year and suffer countless tens
of thousands and even millions of needless deaths each and every year
that’s directly related to those gravitational factors modulating
through our whole planet, and even factoring a wee bit of its IR and
gamma that our trusty moon contributes in ways that we currently have
absolutely no control over nor do we receive any direct benefit from
either of those.
As you should know by now, I could go on and on about the benefits of
relocating our moon, plus otherwise in the meantime reiterating as to
what exploiting the surface and especially its innards should have to
offer. Eventually I’ll restart a new topic and rehash through most of
this along with additional thoughts and revised math, that you can
also contribute to.
Brad Guth
Apr 11, 2013, 12:17:45 PM4/11/13
to
Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains and
pretending as always being faith-based and/or politically correct,
because it's their mostly public-funded and/or faith-based job to
topic/author stalk and to otherwise FUD everything to death. Hitler
had the exact same “Paperclip” team of rusemasters and FUD-masters, as
professional clowns working and/or manipulating the locals into a
mainstream status-quo mindset, which unfortunately far too many bought
into instead of taking any logical stance against their totally
batshit crazy peers.
Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial
is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the
negative Karma likes of 911 (make that positive Karma if you are an
oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of which wasted
decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned dollars, as well
as having systematically squandered all sorts of talent, expertise and
resources that we'll never get back, and which force other nations to
follow suit.
Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated
about. However, this not necessarily the case of each and every
location, such as mountainous and polar area can be considerably
cooler though still extremely hot by human standards that we’re
accustomed to. With applied physics and reasonable technology, the
surface of Venus can be dealt with, at least robotically, and
otherwise via composite rigid airships it can be further exploited
while easily protecting the airship crew. Of course you have to think
both really big and perhaps even small in order to fully appreciate
the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet has to offer,
because it’s the in-between that’s not easily accomplished if you can
only think of terrestrial methods that get to deal with on Earth.
Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity
treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy),
just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and otherwise
contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added IR, X-rays
and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic trauma is
desirable.
pretending as always being faith-based and/or politically correct,
because it's their mostly public-funded and/or faith-based job to
topic/author stalk and to otherwise FUD everything to death. Hitler
had the exact same “Paperclip” team of rusemasters and FUD-masters, as
professional clowns working and/or manipulating the locals into a
mainstream status-quo mindset, which unfortunately far too many bought
into instead of taking any logical stance against their totally
batshit crazy peers.
Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial
is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the
negative Karma likes of 911 (make that positive Karma if you are an
oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of which wasted
decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned dollars, as well
as having systematically squandered all sorts of talent, expertise and
resources that we'll never get back, and which force other nations to
follow suit.
Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated
about. However, this not necessarily the case of each and every
location, such as mountainous and polar area can be considerably
cooler though still extremely hot by human standards that we’re
accustomed to. With applied physics and reasonable technology, the
surface of Venus can be dealt with, at least robotically, and
otherwise via composite rigid airships it can be further exploited
while easily protecting the airship crew. Of course you have to think
both really big and perhaps even small in order to fully appreciate
the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet has to offer,
because it’s the in-between that’s not easily accomplished if you can
only think of terrestrial methods that get to deal with on Earth.
Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity
treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy),
just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and otherwise
contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added IR, X-rays
and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic trauma is
desirable.
Brad Guth
Apr 12, 2013, 12:03:25 PM4/12/13
to
and naked surface of our physically dark and paramagnetic moon without
so much as a scratch or even one X-ray or gamma photon finding so much
as even one grain of their Kodak film that somehow offered superior
dynamic range to the best or even better than any CCD imaging, and
otherwise surviving onboard ISS while drifting in the hard vacuum of
space for months on end (not to mention other mainstream arguments of
going to/from Mars being represented as no big insurmountable deal,
and otherwise as for cruising 6+ months while remaining deep
underwater, as well surviving as from terrestrial surface environments
of always subfreezing conditions or those badly flooded to scorching
hot and dry land being perfectly doable, then perhaps using a
composite rigid airship for accomplishing Venus or especially the use
of TBMs for digging deep into our moon can't be all that
insurmountable.
Brad Guth
Apr 20, 2013, 1:05:31 PM4/20/13
to
galaxy, and with its 300+ km/sec arrival and dominate mass should make
for roughly 2.5 billion years worth of relative safety. However, once
our galaxies start mixing it up, and some of the interacting proper
motions reaching 1000 km/sec, it’s going to be another 250 million
years worth of serious touch and go, with perhaps 250 billion stars
being directly interfered with and at least 2.5 billion stars getting
obliterated, and perhaps equally billions of others created before the
“all clear” message goes out.
In other words, our odds of escaping this cosmic gauntlet unscratched
are not very good, although a thousand to one odds against our solar
system getting obliterated would to most of us seem nearly
invincible. However, by then our sun isn’t going to be all that
terrific for us anyway, and that’s if nothing from the Sirius Oort
cloud or via any other wandering nomads of planets, planetoid or
substantial asteroids haven’t nailed us.
The good news is that a great many other solar systems should pass
within a light year, and thereby making contact with other
civilizations a whole lot better for SETI. By then we should be
recovering from WWX, and our NOW managing our planet as hosting only
500 million humans will likely be capable of interstellar treks that
offer less than a few light years distance if at least 10% ‘c’ (30,000
km/sec) velocity of human space travel can be achieved.
In the meantime, we have plenty of nearby opportunities to exploit and
even fight over, such as our moon and the extremely nearby planet
Venus, whereas each of those should have been sought after as of
decades ago, instead of mutually perpetrating cold-wars, creating and
sustaining proxy wars, and the systematic exploitations of various
civilizations here on Earth.
Brad Guth
Apr 20, 2013, 7:49:49 PM4/20/13
to
Apparently, any context of off-world geology remains yet another taboo/
nondisclosure topic policy, whereas anything getting posted as Usenet/
newsgroup context pertaining to the research and discovery of weird
geology or the odd sorts of physics necessary for creating such highly
unusual geodynamics of such oddly symmetrical and even somewhat
community infrastructure looking items, that by rights should not
exist, is simply not being allowed to go public or much less into any
of our K-12 indoctrinated mindsets. Oddly, we can’t even seem to
openly discuss exploiting the innards of our moon.
Surely there must be at least one geophysics qualified expertise
that’s willing to contribute his/her feedback, on behalf of
interpreting whatever these highly unusual geometrical items could
represent, and/or at least given us some terrestrial examples that are
clearly of perfectly natural formations for the rest of us to compare.
Sadly I’ve been asking this of our NASA, as well as multiple other
public funded agencies and always giving an open channel to anyone
willing to give this one image of GuthVenus their best shot in the
dark or even their best geology swag. Apparently they need better
than 12 years in order to decide what to do next.
Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains (cloaked as
always politically and faith-based correct), because it's their mostly
media damage-control clowns working and/or manipulating the locals
into a mainstream status-quo mindset of always following order, which
unfortunately far too many have bought into instead of taking any
logically deductive formulated stance against their totally batshit
negative Karma likes of 911 (make that a whole lot of positive Karma
Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated
about. However, this not necessarily the case of each and every
location, such as mountainous and polar areas can be considerably
cooler though still extremely hot by the sorts of human Goldilocks
standards that we’re accustomed to. However, with applied physics and
nondisclosure topic policy, whereas anything getting posted as Usenet/
newsgroup context pertaining to the research and discovery of weird
geology or the odd sorts of physics necessary for creating such highly
unusual geodynamics of such oddly symmetrical and even somewhat
community infrastructure looking items, that by rights should not
exist, is simply not being allowed to go public or much less into any
of our K-12 indoctrinated mindsets. Oddly, we can’t even seem to
openly discuss exploiting the innards of our moon.
Surely there must be at least one geophysics qualified expertise
that’s willing to contribute his/her feedback, on behalf of
interpreting whatever these highly unusual geometrical items could
represent, and/or at least given us some terrestrial examples that are
clearly of perfectly natural formations for the rest of us to compare.
Sadly I’ve been asking this of our NASA, as well as multiple other
public funded agencies and always giving an open channel to anyone
willing to give this one image of GuthVenus their best shot in the
dark or even their best geology swag. Apparently they need better
than 12 years in order to decide what to do next.
Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains (cloaked as
always politically and faith-based correct), because it's their mostly
public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to
otherwise FUD everything to death. Hitler had the exact same
“Paperclip” team of ruse-masters and FUD-masters, as professional
otherwise FUD everything to death. Hitler had the exact same
media damage-control clowns working and/or manipulating the locals
into a mainstream status-quo mindset of always following order, which
unfortunately far too many have bought into instead of taking any
logically deductive formulated stance against their totally batshit
crazy peers.
Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial
is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the sort of
Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial
negative Karma likes of 911 (make that a whole lot of positive Karma
if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of
which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned
dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of
talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which
also forced other nations to follow suit.
which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned
dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of
talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which
Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated
about. However, this not necessarily the case of each and every
cooler though still extremely hot by the sorts of human Goldilocks
standards that we’re accustomed to. However, with applied physics and
reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at
least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can
be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. Of
course you have to think really big and perhaps even small in order to
least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can
be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. Of
fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet
has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily
accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that we get
has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily
to deal with on Earth.
Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity
treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy),
that’s just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and
Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity
treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy),
Brad Guth
Apr 21, 2013, 3:04:39 PM4/21/13
to
Try thinking this one through for yourself, as to considering what our
planet needs (especially if there's world peace and everyone [10+
billion humans] get to live as large as yourself)?
The surface of our moon isn’t terribly inviting, even though our NASA/
Apollo era proved it was entirely passive/inert as well as
monochromatic and actually quite reflective, as well as hardly the
least bit radioactive nor even the least bit ionized (as though
protected by some magic shield), and it wasn’t even the least bit
dusty to walk or even drive upon its monochromatic crystal-dry
surface, whereas Venus may also be considered as forbidden and
otherwise taboo, as always too hot and nasty for any naked Goldilocks
to fully appreciate, but otherwise it should offer easy access to any
number of valuable elements, as well as offering us a free-for-all
exploitation treasure trove resource that terrestrial tree-huggers and
environmentalists can march, protest, suck eggs and otherwise bully
all they want because, it’ll do them no good.
Earth has way more than its fair share of water, even though most of
it is salty, artificially polluted, not always where we need it most
and too often we seem to get way too much of it in any one place as
stormy, frozen, thawed and flooding takes place, and otherwise at
heavy CO2, NOx, Sulfurs and the likes of hydrocarbons along with
give up by becoming extinct because of us humans).
What Earth is running short of (besides common sense) is any number of
and distributing most of those depleted and/or rare items that most of
us can’t hardly afford considering all the ongoing screw-ups we get to
keep paying for.
Going off-world will eventually change most of that for the better,
and it’ll directly benefit all of humanity, as well as improve the
outweigh the negatives obtained from either of those.
As you should know by now, I could go on and on about the positive/
constructive benefits of exploiting Venus as well as relocating our
moon and otherwise exploiting Selene for all she’s worth, plus
otherwise in the meantime reiterating as to what direct benefits of
exploiting the surface and especially of what its innards should have
to offer.
Eventually I’ll have to restart a new topic and rehash through most of
this manifesto, along with additional thoughts and revised math, that
which you can also contribute to.
planet needs (especially if there's world peace and everyone [10+
billion humans] get to live as large as yourself)?
The surface of our moon isn’t terribly inviting, even though our NASA/
Apollo era proved it was entirely passive/inert as well as
monochromatic and actually quite reflective, as well as hardly the
least bit radioactive nor even the least bit ionized (as though
protected by some magic shield), and it wasn’t even the least bit
dusty to walk or even drive upon its monochromatic crystal-dry
surface, whereas Venus may also be considered as forbidden and
otherwise taboo, as always too hot and nasty for any naked Goldilocks
to fully appreciate, but otherwise it should offer easy access to any
number of valuable elements, as well as offering us a free-for-all
exploitation treasure trove resource that terrestrial tree-huggers and
environmentalists can march, protest, suck eggs and otherwise bully
all they want because, it’ll do them no good.
Earth has way more than its fair share of water, even though most of
it is salty, artificially polluted, not always where we need it most
stormy, frozen, thawed and flooding takes place, and otherwise at
least so far there's no apparent shortage of oxygen (though eventually
that could change as we displace it with our considerable volumes of
heavy CO2, NOx, Sulfurs and the likes of hydrocarbons along with
Corexit toxins plus all things connected with multiple global military
complexes that get to do as they please, just like our global
biodiversity has always been forced to change and/or adapt unless they
complexes that get to do as they please, just like our global
give up by becoming extinct because of us humans).
What Earth is running short of (besides common sense) is any number of
natural hydrocarbons and helium, as well as numerous metals plus the
vast amount of clean energy resources as for exploiting, processing
and distributing most of those depleted and/or rare items that most of
us can’t hardly afford considering all the ongoing screw-ups we get to
keep paying for.
Going off-world will eventually change most of that for the better,
and it’ll directly benefit all of humanity, as well as improve the
global biodiversity that should in turn directly benefit our global
environment in more ways than just making our mostly white oligarchs
richer and more powerful. The good news is that our trusty moon is a
likely treasure trove of such goodies (especially inside), not to
mention what the extremely nearby planet Venus should have to offer.
Now you can go along with either the traditional and mostly white
oligarch media flow of their mainstream status quo (policy of don’t
environment in more ways than just making our mostly white oligarchs
richer and more powerful. The good news is that our trusty moon is a
likely treasure trove of such goodies (especially inside), not to
mention what the extremely nearby planet Venus should have to offer.
Now you can go along with either the traditional and mostly white
fix anything if it isn’t already broken), and just sit back and let
all the balls drop wherever they may, or we can look ahead at the
greater potential of what exploiting off-world resources should have
to offer by essentially catching a few of those balls before they hit
the ground and fail to bounce. Instead of ignoring the GW+AGW issues
that are becoming more human caused and/or accelerated than previously
thought, perhaps we can at least consider upon what the relocation of
our moon as being actively situated within Earth L1 can do for us,
instead of it being so close and destabilizing to our global
environment.
Storms are certainly getting bad enough as the GW+AGW makes them more
frequent and measurably worse than before, though adding the extra
sucker-punch of those considerable tidal surges is what is also
clearly costing our planet at least an extra 100 billion per year to
the already trillion+ dollar cost of all those extreme weather and
seismic related issues that should always be factored in. So, we get
all the balls drop wherever they may, or we can look ahead at the
greater potential of what exploiting off-world resources should have
to offer by essentially catching a few of those balls before they hit
the ground and fail to bounce. Instead of ignoring the GW+AGW issues
that are becoming more human caused and/or accelerated than previously
thought, perhaps we can at least consider upon what the relocation of
our moon as being actively situated within Earth L1 can do for us,
instead of it being so close and destabilizing to our global
environment.
Storms are certainly getting bad enough as the GW+AGW makes them more
frequent and measurably worse than before, though adding the extra
sucker-punch of those considerable tidal surges is what is also
clearly costing our planet at least an extra 100 billion per year to
the already trillion+ dollar cost of all those extreme weather and
to spend those trillion plus dollars per year and suffer countless
tens of thousands and even millions of needless deaths each and every
year that’s directly related to those gravitational factors modulating
through our whole planet, and even factoring a wee bit of its IR and
gamma that our trusty moon contributes in ways that we currently have
absolutely no control over nor do we receive any direct benefits that
tens of thousands and even millions of needless deaths each and every
year that’s directly related to those gravitational factors modulating
through our whole planet, and even factoring a wee bit of its IR and
gamma that our trusty moon contributes in ways that we currently have
outweigh the negatives obtained from either of those.
As you should know by now, I could go on and on about the positive/
constructive benefits of exploiting Venus as well as relocating our
moon and otherwise exploiting Selene for all she’s worth, plus
otherwise in the meantime reiterating as to what direct benefits of
exploiting the surface and especially of what its innards should have
to offer.
Eventually I’ll have to restart a new topic and rehash through most of
this manifesto, along with additional thoughts and revised math, that
which you can also contribute to.
Brad Guth
Apr 21, 2013, 6:53:55 PM4/21/13
to
Terraforming the moon underground: (mining plus creating safe habitats
inside of that extremely tough crust) is not nearly as insurmountable
as you might think.
Besides the mainstream naysay gauntlet against folks ever exploiting
Go figure that we’re either being intentionally snookered or simply
misdirected by our oligarch peers.
Once TBMs(tunnel boring machines) are situated and working
worthy) and otherwise as mostly monochromatic as well as hardly even
tonnage. However, the greatly reduced gravity should by rights yield
a very soft or porous kind of moon innards, along with offering gas
is when TBMs should whiz right through at a fraction of the difficulty
authority in charge of mainstream damage-control, by having to
continually topic/author stalk and otherwise sequester such
independent notions about exploiting our moon, are probably going to
to/from our moon without a scratch.
Figuring conservatively that fewer than 10% access my topics and
Google Groups: Your 7-day activity
14 discussions replies
29 direct replies to your messages
3221views of your messages
14 views of your profile
Not sure if this reported activity is necessarily a good or bad thing,
but none the less it seems to reflect that others are finding some of
that would have nearly the same audience to brag about, and especially
always brown-nose their oligarch peers, or else risk losing their
funding.
inside of that extremely tough crust) is not nearly as insurmountable
as you might think.
Besides the mainstream naysay gauntlet against folks ever exploiting
the extremely nearby planet Venus for all it’s worth, it's as though
there is also something oddly mainstream taboo/forbidden or
nondisclosure associated with any notions of independently exploiting
the likely soft innards of our physically dark and paramagnetic moon.
there is also something oddly mainstream taboo/forbidden or
nondisclosure associated with any notions of independently exploiting
Go figure that we’re either being intentionally snookered or simply
misdirected by our oligarch peers.
Once TBMs(tunnel boring machines) are situated and working
sufficiently deep underground (other than remote logistics issues that
at first should be daunting), what's the likely geological difference
at first should be daunting), what's the likely geological difference
between our moon and Earth?
Inside the paramagnetic basalt crust of our moon is probably not going
to be all that much different than tunneling inside of Earth’s granite
and much less paramagnetic basalt, especially once our TBMs get
sufficiently into and below that extremely tough paramagnetic basalt
and carbonado tough crust of 3.5+ g/cm3 that our NASA/Apollo era had
documented as offering a much lower density as well as perfectly inert
(not the least bit paramagnetic or hardly even mineral or other metal
worthy) and otherwise as mostly monochromatic as well as hardly even
the least bit dusty on top, and there certainly wasn’t any problems
with the failsafe technology of their fly-by-rocket landers that can
be manually flown and easily scaled to suit pretty much any payload
with the failsafe technology of their fly-by-rocket landers that can
tonnage. However, the greatly reduced gravity should by rights yield
a very soft or porous kind of moon innards, along with offering gas
formed geode pockets and possibly layers of mineral brines (even a
potential of hydrocarbons in addition to encountering a great deal of
fused crust sequestered helium), in that once sufficiently underneath
potential of hydrocarbons in addition to encountering a great deal of
is when TBMs should whiz right through at a fraction of the difficulty
found in dealing with the inner bedrock of Earth.
No doubt the resident redneck FUD-masters and their oligarchs of
authority in charge of mainstream damage-control, by having to
continually topic/author stalk and otherwise sequester such
independent notions about exploiting our moon, are probably going to
need many extra Depends(aka adult diapers) in order to effectively
deal with their usual damage-control exploits of topic/author stalking
and trashing of this topic. Sorry about that.
Fortunately, we only have to be realistic in order to appreciate what
the inverted density or softer innards of our moon should have to
Fortunately, we only have to be realistic in order to appreciate what
offer, not to mention my other notions of creating the LSE-CM/ISS and
of otherwise relocating the orbit of our moon as to actively station-
keeping it within Earth L1. At least Stanley Kubrick would be so
proud, not to mention most every global domination villain on Earth,
including those of our Paperclip Nazis that supposedly got us safely
proud, not to mention most every global domination villain on Earth,
to/from our moon without a scratch.
Figuring conservatively that fewer than 10% access my topics and
replies via Google Groups or Groups+, makes my global Usenet/newsgroup
audience worth at least 32,210 per week.
Google Groups: Your 7-day activity
29 direct replies to your messages
3221views of your messages
14 views of your profile
Not sure if this reported activity is necessarily a good or bad thing,
what I have to offer as either worth their while or at least
entertaining. Perhaps there’s not too many teachers or instructors
that would have nearly the same audience to brag about, and especially
those of my devoted FUD-masters as having an audience of roughly zero
once excluding others of their own redneck FUD-master kind that must
always brown-nose their oligarch peers, or else risk losing their
funding.
David Staup
Apr 21, 2013, 7:04:10 PM4/21/13
to
have you EVER considered.....
that the reason you never get any serious responses..
is the absurdity of your thoughts....
Brad Guth
Apr 21, 2013, 8:36:58 PM4/21/13
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yourself are a dime a dozen.
Are you suggesting that exploiting our moon or even its L1 as our
oasis/gateway and for accommodating the LSE-CM/ISS plus many other
considerations, are not worth considering?
Are you suggesting that saving Earth as a whole, its environment plus
countless lives and perhaps more than a trillion dollars per year, as
well as otherwise employing millions of us, is not such a good idea?
How exactly are you calculating that I "never get any serious
responses"?
Google Groups:
Your 7-day activity
14 discussions replies
3240 views of your messages
15 views of your profile
What sort of 7-day activity report does Google Groups report about
your Usenet/newsgroup account?
Brad Guth
Apr 22, 2013, 6:41:40 AM4/22/13
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Usenet/newsgroups that act/react as though Semitic but usually pretend
as being Atheists, would much rather spend an extra trillion per year
of our hard earned loot on behalf of sustaining their military
industrial complex, then allowing any dime on behalf anything off-
world related.
So, no matters what the best available science and deductive good
logic has to offer about our moon or the extremely nearby planet
Venus, it seems we are sh*t out of luck, and perhaps the only way out
of this mainstream status-quo matrix is to make certain these
oligarchs are in charge of all things off-world, and then having to
live with those consequences and whatever Karma.
Brad Guth
Apr 22, 2013, 7:21:50 AM4/22/13
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Here’s the latest rub. It seems our oligarch redneck friends of
Usenet/newsgroups that act/react as though Semitic but usually pretend
as being Atheists, would much rather spend an extra trillion per year
of our hard earned loot on behalf of sustaining their military
industrial complex, then allowing any dime on behalf anything off-
world related.
So, no matters what the best available science and deductive good
logic has to offer about exploiting our moon or the extremely nearby
Usenet/newsgroups that act/react as though Semitic but usually pretend
as being Atheists, would much rather spend an extra trillion per year
of our hard earned loot on behalf of sustaining their military
industrial complex, then allowing any dime on behalf anything off-
world related.
So, no matters what the best available science and deductive good
planet Venus, it seems we are sh*t out of luck, and perhaps the only
way out of this mainstream status-quo matrix is to make certain these
oligarchs are in charge of all things off-world, and then having to
live with those consequences and whatever Karma.
Privately exploiting our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus is
way out of this mainstream status-quo matrix is to make certain these
oligarchs are in charge of all things off-world, and then having to
live with those consequences and whatever Karma.
simply not an option unless your name is Rothschild or you happen to
be in charge of China or perhaps India. These off-world exploitations
are simply going to have to wait until most of our terrestrial
resources are depleted and the culling of humanity gets this planet of
ours down to the dull roar of hosting not more than 500 million of us,
and most of the existing generations will not get to select any of
those 500 million that’ll get to stay alive and only selectively
reproduce. At least that’s within the gist of what our Georgia
Guidestones have to say.
It’s as though our world has already been invaded by the body
snatchers, and we’re totally under their collective control regardless
of whatever the best available logic and science has to say. At least
most of us are willing to go along with whatever the upper caste of
oligarchs have to say, as we’re too afraid to buck or grind against
their mainstream flow, and we don’t want to be thought of as being the
least bit critical of our peers (elected or otherwise). In other
words, global domination and the New World Order (N.W.O.) is becoming
a done deal, making individual ethnicity obsolete and only one
acceptable religion or suitable matrix clone of religions permitted.
Brad Guth
Apr 23, 2013, 11:10:39 AM4/23/13
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We can get lots of helium and even He3 from our moon, which might some
day become viable considering the ongoing depletion of terrestrial
helium.
Some natural geothermal vents in India have been objectively
quantified as giving off 20% helium (1e25 atoms of He/m3), and none of
that considerable volume sticks around but for a few seconds per
vertical meter after each geothermal vent belch. Most natural ground
venting of helium is perhaps worth something less than 1 ppm/sec.
However, even if the average all-inclusive leakage of all things
natural plus artificially caused were only 10% of that or .1 ppm/m2/
sec, is still 5.1e13 ppm/m3/sec, and don't ever forget there's roughly
5e25 atoms/m3 of standard surface air which makes that .1 ppm/m3/sec
into being worth 5e18 atoms of helium escapement per surface cubic
meter.
5e18 x 5.1e14 x 1.67e-27 = 42.6e5 kg/sec.
As is each cubic meter of surface atmosphere supposedly contains 5.24
ppm He, which represents 2.67e20 atoms of helium that has to be
continually replenished because of the extremely low mass or specific
gravity of helium which never binds with anything, is also what makes
it a rather buoyant or lofty element, and as others having specified
that our planet would need roughly 7 times as much gravity in order to
hold onto its helium.
Even if this ongoing loss were given 1000 seconds in order to escape
each vertical cubic meter, is going to represent that .1 ppm/m3 of
natural plus artificial surface escapement is going to give an all-
inclusive global loss of 4.26e3 kg/sec, which seems a far cry greater
rate of loss than any wussy 50 grams/sec as specified by our
mainstream status-quo science that published just about everywhere.
I’ve certainly made my fair share of math mistakes in the past, and
perhaps this is yet another mistaken conclusion, but I honestly don’t
think so. If I’m way the hell off base, then why don’t our Big Energy
cartels that you always support and even worship that supposedly know
everything there is to know, bother to tell us otherwise?
Perhaps our Big Energy buddies at BP should be telling us how little
helium escapes from all of their hydrocarbon exploitations, as
compared to Shell or others.
day become viable considering the ongoing depletion of terrestrial
helium.
Some natural geothermal vents in India have been objectively
quantified as giving off 20% helium (1e25 atoms of He/m3), and none of
that considerable volume sticks around but for a few seconds per
vertical meter after each geothermal vent belch. Most natural ground
venting of helium is perhaps worth something less than 1 ppm/sec.
However, even if the average all-inclusive leakage of all things
natural plus artificially caused were only 10% of that or .1 ppm/m2/
sec, is still 5.1e13 ppm/m3/sec, and don't ever forget there's roughly
5e25 atoms/m3 of standard surface air which makes that .1 ppm/m3/sec
into being worth 5e18 atoms of helium escapement per surface cubic
meter.
5e18 x 5.1e14 x 1.67e-27 = 42.6e5 kg/sec.
As is each cubic meter of surface atmosphere supposedly contains 5.24
ppm He, which represents 2.67e20 atoms of helium that has to be
continually replenished because of the extremely low mass or specific
gravity of helium which never binds with anything, is also what makes
it a rather buoyant or lofty element, and as others having specified
that our planet would need roughly 7 times as much gravity in order to
hold onto its helium.
Even if this ongoing loss were given 1000 seconds in order to escape
each vertical cubic meter, is going to represent that .1 ppm/m3 of
natural plus artificial surface escapement is going to give an all-
inclusive global loss of 4.26e3 kg/sec, which seems a far cry greater
rate of loss than any wussy 50 grams/sec as specified by our
mainstream status-quo science that published just about everywhere.
I’ve certainly made my fair share of math mistakes in the past, and
perhaps this is yet another mistaken conclusion, but I honestly don’t
think so. If I’m way the hell off base, then why don’t our Big Energy
cartels that you always support and even worship that supposedly know
everything there is to know, bother to tell us otherwise?
Perhaps our Big Energy buddies at BP should be telling us how little
helium escapes from all of their hydrocarbon exploitations, as
compared to Shell or others.
Brad Guth
Apr 23, 2013, 1:06:13 PM4/23/13
to
It’s all relative, because we can get lots of helium and even He3
(3He) from our moon, which might some day become viable considering
the ongoing depletion of terrestrial helium. Of course any off-world
resource of rare elements like helium is going to be spendy as hell,
but if there’s an insufficient terrestrial resupply of such an
essential elements that’s in greater demand than ever is what should
make its cost a non-issue, just like the mutually perpetrated cold-war
era and subsequent proxy wars plus whatever consequence of our
military industrial complex and various Karma hasn’t been an issue for
most of us, not even at having cost this world trillions per year and
having terminated millions of lives.
Our planet has not been gaining atmospheric mass, even though humanity
has been doing everything possible as to increasing its saturations of
CO2 and NOx in addition to increasing water vapor plus many other
artificial contributions (mostly bad stuff) along with venting
hydrogen and helium as fast as we can manage. Perhaps initially our
planet had 100+ bar worth of an atmospheric layer protecting
everything, or nearly a hundred times more atmospheric mass to work
with, but obviously not anymore.
Helium escapement (second to the easiest of elements to blow away) is
also increased by way of solar heating and of course getting
constantly excavated away from Earth by the solar wind which includes
some of its own helium (CMEs having as much as 10% He).
Even our moon can't manage to hold onto its sodium, with an exospheric
sodium cloud of 9r and a comet like tail of 900,0000 km, of which
Earth passes directly through every time that moon gets directly
aligned between us and our sun that's typically blowing at 300+ km/
sec, which can surge to 1000+ km/sec.
There is always some influx of elements, including helium as contained
within the space dust, meteorites and asteroids, but it's a fraction
of what tonnage is being lost to space.
One of the many off-world benefits of TBMs excavating into the thick
paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of our moon, will be the
extraction of 2He and 3He in addition to good old O2 and various other
elements including a little H2O. The hard part of this has to do with
convincing our terrestrial oligarchs into allowing this future
treasure trove of nearby element extractions to happen before it’s too
late.
(3He) from our moon, which might some day become viable considering
the ongoing depletion of terrestrial helium. Of course any off-world
resource of rare elements like helium is going to be spendy as hell,
but if there’s an insufficient terrestrial resupply of such an
essential elements that’s in greater demand than ever is what should
make its cost a non-issue, just like the mutually perpetrated cold-war
era and subsequent proxy wars plus whatever consequence of our
military industrial complex and various Karma hasn’t been an issue for
most of us, not even at having cost this world trillions per year and
having terminated millions of lives.
has been doing everything possible as to increasing its saturations of
CO2 and NOx in addition to increasing water vapor plus many other
artificial contributions (mostly bad stuff) along with venting
hydrogen and helium as fast as we can manage. Perhaps initially our
planet had 100+ bar worth of an atmospheric layer protecting
everything, or nearly a hundred times more atmospheric mass to work
with, but obviously not anymore.
Helium escapement (second to the easiest of elements to blow away) is
also increased by way of solar heating and of course getting
constantly excavated away from Earth by the solar wind which includes
some of its own helium (CMEs having as much as 10% He).
Even our moon can't manage to hold onto its sodium, with an exospheric
sodium cloud of 9r and a comet like tail of 900,0000 km, of which
Earth passes directly through every time that moon gets directly
aligned between us and our sun that's typically blowing at 300+ km/
sec, which can surge to 1000+ km/sec.
There is always some influx of elements, including helium as contained
within the space dust, meteorites and asteroids, but it's a fraction
of what tonnage is being lost to space.
One of the many off-world benefits of TBMs excavating into the thick
paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of our moon, will be the
extraction of 2He and 3He in addition to good old O2 and various other
elements including a little H2O. The hard part of this has to do with
convincing our terrestrial oligarchs into allowing this future
treasure trove of nearby element extractions to happen before it’s too
late.
Brad Guth
Apr 23, 2013, 2:24:42 PM4/23/13
to
It’s all perfectly relative, because we can always get lots of helium
apparently hasn’t been an issue for most of us, not even at having
common infrastructure issues and sustain our spendy global domination
plus cloak and dagger wars at the same time.
It has been well documented that some natural geothermal vents in
Helium escapement (second to the easiest of elements to blow away) is
also increased by way of solar heating and of course getting
constantly excavated away from Earth by the solar wind which includes
some of its own helium (CMEs offering as much as 10% He).
Even our moon can't manage to hold onto its sodium, with an exospheric
sodium cloud of 9r and a comet like tail of 900,0000 km, of which
Earth passes directly through every time that moon gets directly
aligned between us and our sun that's typically blowing at 300+ km/
sec, which can surge to 1000+ km/sec.
There is always some influx of elements, including helium as contained
within the space dust, meteorites and asteroids, but it's a fraction
of what vapor tonnage is being lost to space.
One of the many off-world benefits of TBMs excavating into the thick
paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of our moon, will be the
extraction of 2He and 3He in addition to obtaining good old O2 and
it’s too late.
Of course, according to our Georgia Guidestones and adhering to their
specified manifesto dogma of planet Earth accommodating a maximum of
500 million, extremely well educated and wealthy humans that a great
deal of modern technology is capably taking care of, would pretty much
eliminate any need of off-world exploitations. No doubt the reason
why our FEMA and DHS needed those extra spare billions of hollow
tipped bullets (perhaps by now we’re talking 15+ bullets for each and
every man, woman and child on Earth, not to mention WMD capability
that has gotten multifold capable of eliminating most every soul on
Earth as well as wiping out most other biodiversity). Gee whiz, what
sort of global Karma could possibly go wrong (this time)?
Naturally, to most that manage to read this topic and its replies or
additions and multiple revisions, our moon has absolutely nothing to
do with exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus, or so you might
think. Unlike your mainstream box-limited self of keeping everything
nicely social/political and faith-based failsafe, by not sticking your
mostly white and/or rednecks anywhere near the obfuscation edge of any
nondisclosures and taboos that would only get you and your extended
family into a whole lot of mainstream status-quo trouble, is pretty
much why we’re in the mess we’re in.
Terraforming the innards of our moon is just another steppingstone, as
providing a terrific outpost/gateway and oasis capable of housing
billions of us, as well as for utilizing its L1 and L2 and eventually
as being relocated within Earth L1 in order to directly benefit
everyone else stuck on Earth, including salvaging most of the global
environment that essentially needs to cool off before it’s too late.
and even He3 (3He) from our moon, which might some day become viable
considering the ongoing depletion of terrestrial helium. Of course
any off-world resource of rare elements like helium is going to be
spendy as hell, but if there’s an insufficient terrestrial resupply of
such essential elements that’s in greater demand than ever, is what
considering the ongoing depletion of terrestrial helium. Of course
any off-world resource of rare elements like helium is going to be
spendy as hell, but if there’s an insufficient terrestrial resupply of
should make its cost a non-issue, just like the mutually perpetrated
cold-war era and subsequent proxy wars plus whatever consequence of
our military industrial complex and various Karma payback revenge
cold-war era and subsequent proxy wars plus whatever consequence of
apparently hasn’t been an issue for most of us, not even at having
cost this world trillions per year and having terminated millions of
lives, in great part because we simply could not manage to deal with
common infrastructure issues and sustain our spendy global domination
plus cloak and dagger wars at the same time.
It has been well documented that some natural geothermal vents in
India have been objectively quantified as giving off 20% helium (1e25
atoms of He/m3), and none of that considerable volume sticks around
but for a few seconds per vertical meter after each geothermal vent
belch. Most natural ground venting of helium is perhaps worth
something less than 1 ppm/sec. However, even if the average all-
inclusive leakage of all things natural plus artificially caused were
only 10% of that or .1 ppm/m2/sec, is still 5.1e13 ppm/m3/sec, and
atoms of He/m3), and none of that considerable volume sticks around
but for a few seconds per vertical meter after each geothermal vent
belch. Most natural ground venting of helium is perhaps worth
something less than 1 ppm/sec. However, even if the average all-
inclusive leakage of all things natural plus artificially caused were
don't ever forget there's roughly 5e25 atoms/m3 of standard surface
air which makes that .1 ppm/m3/sec into being worth 5e18 atoms of
helium escapement per surface cubic meter.
5e18 x 5.1e14 x 1.67e-27 = 42.6e5 kg/sec.
As is each cubic meter of surface atmosphere supposedly contains 5.24
ppm He, which represents 2.67e20 atoms of helium that has to be
continually replenished because of the extremely low mass or specific
gravity of helium which never binds with anything, is also what makes
it a rather buoyant or lofty element, and as others having specified
that our planet would need roughly 7 times as much gravity in order to
hold onto its helium.
Even if this ongoing loss were given 1000 seconds in order to escape
each vertical cubic meter, is going to represent that .1 ppm/m3 of
natural plus artificial surface escapement is going to give an all-
inclusive global loss of 4.26e3 kg/sec, which seems a far cry greater
rate of loss than any wussy 50 grams/sec as specified by our
mainstream status-quo science peers that’s getting published just
air which makes that .1 ppm/m3/sec into being worth 5e18 atoms of
helium escapement per surface cubic meter.
5e18 x 5.1e14 x 1.67e-27 = 42.6e5 kg/sec.
As is each cubic meter of surface atmosphere supposedly contains 5.24
ppm He, which represents 2.67e20 atoms of helium that has to be
continually replenished because of the extremely low mass or specific
gravity of helium which never binds with anything, is also what makes
it a rather buoyant or lofty element, and as others having specified
that our planet would need roughly 7 times as much gravity in order to
hold onto its helium.
Even if this ongoing loss were given 1000 seconds in order to escape
each vertical cubic meter, is going to represent that .1 ppm/m3 of
natural plus artificial surface escapement is going to give an all-
inclusive global loss of 4.26e3 kg/sec, which seems a far cry greater
rate of loss than any wussy 50 grams/sec as specified by our
about everywhere.
I’ve certainly made my fair share of math mistakes in the past, and
perhaps this is yet another mistaken conclusion, but I honestly don’t
think so. If I’m way the hell off base, then why don’t our Big Energy
cartels that you always support and even worship that supposedly know
everything there is to know, bother to tell us otherwise?
Perhaps our Big Energy buddies at BP should be telling us how little
helium escapes from all of their hydrocarbon exploitations, as
compared to Shell or others.
Our planet has not been gaining atmospheric mass, even though humanity
has been doing everything possible as to increasing its saturations of
CO2 and NOx in addition to increasing water vapor plus many other
artificial contributions (mostly bad stuff) along with venting
hydrogen and helium as fast as we can manage. Perhaps initially our
planet had 100+ bar worth of an atmospheric layer protecting
everything, or nearly a hundred times more atmospheric mass to work
with, but obviously that’s not the case anymore.
I’ve certainly made my fair share of math mistakes in the past, and
perhaps this is yet another mistaken conclusion, but I honestly don’t
think so. If I’m way the hell off base, then why don’t our Big Energy
cartels that you always support and even worship that supposedly know
everything there is to know, bother to tell us otherwise?
Perhaps our Big Energy buddies at BP should be telling us how little
helium escapes from all of their hydrocarbon exploitations, as
compared to Shell or others.
Our planet has not been gaining atmospheric mass, even though humanity
has been doing everything possible as to increasing its saturations of
CO2 and NOx in addition to increasing water vapor plus many other
artificial contributions (mostly bad stuff) along with venting
hydrogen and helium as fast as we can manage. Perhaps initially our
planet had 100+ bar worth of an atmospheric layer protecting
everything, or nearly a hundred times more atmospheric mass to work
Helium escapement (second to the easiest of elements to blow away) is
also increased by way of solar heating and of course getting
constantly excavated away from Earth by the solar wind which includes
Even our moon can't manage to hold onto its sodium, with an exospheric
sodium cloud of 9r and a comet like tail of 900,0000 km, of which
Earth passes directly through every time that moon gets directly
aligned between us and our sun that's typically blowing at 300+ km/
sec, which can surge to 1000+ km/sec.
There is always some influx of elements, including helium as contained
within the space dust, meteorites and asteroids, but it's a fraction
One of the many off-world benefits of TBMs excavating into the thick
paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of our moon, will be the
various other elements including a little H2O. The hard part of this
has to do with convincing our terrestrial oligarchs into allowing this
future treasure trove of nearby element extractions to happen, before
has to do with convincing our terrestrial oligarchs into allowing this
it’s too late.
Of course, according to our Georgia Guidestones and adhering to their
specified manifesto dogma of planet Earth accommodating a maximum of
500 million, extremely well educated and wealthy humans that a great
deal of modern technology is capably taking care of, would pretty much
eliminate any need of off-world exploitations. No doubt the reason
why our FEMA and DHS needed those extra spare billions of hollow
tipped bullets (perhaps by now we’re talking 15+ bullets for each and
every man, woman and child on Earth, not to mention WMD capability
that has gotten multifold capable of eliminating most every soul on
Earth as well as wiping out most other biodiversity). Gee whiz, what
sort of global Karma could possibly go wrong (this time)?
Naturally, to most that manage to read this topic and its replies or
additions and multiple revisions, our moon has absolutely nothing to
do with exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus, or so you might
think. Unlike your mainstream box-limited self of keeping everything
nicely social/political and faith-based failsafe, by not sticking your
mostly white and/or rednecks anywhere near the obfuscation edge of any
nondisclosures and taboos that would only get you and your extended
family into a whole lot of mainstream status-quo trouble, is pretty
much why we’re in the mess we’re in.
Terraforming the innards of our moon is just another steppingstone, as
providing a terrific outpost/gateway and oasis capable of housing
billions of us, as well as for utilizing its L1 and L2 and eventually
as being relocated within Earth L1 in order to directly benefit
everyone else stuck on Earth, including salvaging most of the global
environment that essentially needs to cool off before it’s too late.
Brad Guth
Apr 24, 2013, 12:20:00 PM4/24/13
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its innards to suit future generations.
Brad Guth
Apr 24, 2013, 4:55:33 PM4/24/13
to
It's getting about time for a new and improved moon topic, of
mainstream FUD-masters (mostly Semites and pretend-Atheists, because
they have by far the most to lose) will follow suit.
terraforming its innards to suit future generations.
Naturally the usual intellectual terrorist gauntlet of naysayers and
mainstream FUD-masters (mostly Semites and pretend-Atheists, because
they have by far the most to lose) will follow suit.
Brad Guth
Apr 26, 2013, 2:41:34 PM4/26/13
to
Metallicity isn’t just about the innards of a given star, because
percentage-wise those stars of extremely ionized plasma actually have
very little metal to spare until the extreme fusion process creates a
carbon white dwarf or denser remainder. However, planets and moons
are not the least bit metallicity deficient, because hardly if any of
their mass is plasma or much less fusion worthy.
As recently reported, the core of mother Earth is roughly a thousand
degrees hotter than previously thought, and not that anyone here gives
a hoot or cares a tinkers damn about the significance of our core
having more thorium and uranium than previously thought, but at least
this revised core assessment means we should have more of a helium
cache and resupply than previously thought, and the way things are
going, we’ll need every bit of it.
All things considered, it’s all perfectly relative (as George Carlin
said; Earth will be here long after we’re gone), because when
necessary we can always get lots of future helium and even extract He3
terrestrial helium as literally going through the roof. Of course any
this to the ongoing cost of what our mainstream status-quo seem to
accept and even promote whenever ethnicity and the ever increasing
wealth and authority disparity seems a whole lot more important, at
least if you happen to be a Rothschild oligarch that has never worked
at any honest job in their life.
The atmospheric escape of helium simply isn’t limited as to the
mainstream reported and K-12 textbook published notion of 50 grams/
sec, at least not as of the last few hundred years of us exploiting
every accessible pool or deposit of hydrocarbons which always includes
an unbound component of helium provided from a million holes as
having been punched into Earth, along with nature keeping up with its
fair share of sustaining the 5.24 ppm saturation which also doesn’t
stick around for long after the source is either depleted, plugged or
especially once tapped out, because the innards of Earth is supposedly
limited as to creating just 3000 tonnes/year, even though its worth
could now be revised upwards to suggest as much as 30,000 tonnes/year,
which still may not be sufficient as long as there’s no apparent
recycling efforts and the uneducated public is willing to pay and/or
getting taxed upon science and technology having to pay more than
$1000/m3 or $176/oz.
It has been well documented that some natural geothermal vents in
India have been objectively quantified as giving off 20% helium (1e25
atoms of 2He/m3 or at least 1e24 atoms if all other vapors are mostly
those of those heavier than nitrogen), plus we always have more than a
dozen active volcanic eruptions, and per se none of that considerable
volume of helium sticks around but for a few seconds per vertical
meter after each geothermal vent/belch because its vertical migration
has been objectively quantified. Otherwise most natural ground
natural plus artificially caused were limited as to only 10% of that
by providing only 0.1 ppm/m2/sec, is still a global surface exit
volume of 5.1e13 ppm/m3/sec, and don't ever forget there's roughly
5e25 atoms/m3 of standard surface air which makes that conservative .1
ppm/m3/sec into being worth 5e18 atoms of helium escapement per each
and every surface cubic meter of surface atmosphere.
5e18 x 5.1e14 x 1.67e-27 = 42.6e5 kg/sec.
As is each cubic meter of surface atmosphere supposedly contains 5.24
ppm He, which represents 2.67e20 atoms of helium/m3 that has to be
continually replenished, because of the extremely low mass or specific
gravity of helium which never binds with anything as it unavoidably
floats and drifts upwards because of its minimal molecular mass, is
what also makes it a rather buoyant or lofty element that’s never
going to hold whatever vertical position upon release nor much less
migrate itself downward on its own, as others having specified that
sec), which seems a far cry greater rate of loss than any wussy 50
helium loss published just about everywhere.
I’ve certainly made my fair share of math mistakes in the past, and
perhaps this is yet another mistaken conclusion, but I honestly don’t
think so. If I’m way the hell off base, then why don’t our Big Energy
cartels that most of you have supported and even worship, as
supposedly knowing everything there is to know, should bother to tell
us otherwise?
Since multiple public funded Earth science missions like OCO have been
foiled, perhaps our Big Energy buddies at BP are the ones that should
be telling us exactly how little helium escapes from all of their
hydrocarbon exploitations and refineries, as compared to Jamnagar,
PDVSA, ExxonMobil, Shell or others.
Our planet simply has not been gaining atmospheric mass, even though
of bad or toxic stuff) along with our having been venting hydrogen and
5.1e18 kg (10 tonnes/m2).
Helium escapement (second to the easiest of elements to blow away) is
further increased by way of solar heating and of course getting
average solar wind supposedly offers 4%), none of which sticks with
our planet other than temporarily lingering within the exosphere
because, most of the solar wind is fended off by the magnetosphere.
Even our moon can't manage to hold onto its ionized sodium (23 times
heavier than helium), with an exospheric ionized sodium cloud of 9r
km/sec. Anyone care to give us your swag as to how much ionized
sodium/sec is extracted from and leaving our moon?
No doubt there’s another treasure trove of lithium within our moon,
not to mention those heavy elements besides iron and titanium plus
thorium and uranium and perhaps even some cobalt which should help to
explain the gamma our naked moon has to offer. Of course, if there’s
heavy elements would also represent that platinum and gold shouldn’t
be excluded.
There is always some influx of elements, including helium as contained
within the space dust, meteorites and asteroids, but at best it's a
fraction of what vapor tonnage of our terrestrial hydrogen and helium
O2 and various other elements including a little H2O from vaporizing
its paramagnetic basalt. The hard part of all this has to do with
Naturally, to most that manage to read through this revised topic and
its, our moon has absolutely nothing to do with exploiting the
political and faith-based correct and thereby failsafe, by not
sort of mess we’re in.
Terraforming the innards of our moon is just another logical
steppingstone, as providing a terrific outpost/gateway and very safe
to cool off before it’s too late. There’s actually 10+ good reasons
for every bad notion you can think of, but when mainstream naysayism,
science obfuscation and their denial of being in denial has closed all
the doors, is what makes all of this a whole lot harder than it needs
to be.
We could also learn a lot about atmospheric and geological physics
from exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus that has lots of
just about everything to offer, including at least one set of weird
geometrical formations offering a very rational infrastructure
community like setting. But of course our NASA and their associates
of closely protected insiders are having none of this, no matters what
the consequences.
Obviously our resident FUD-masters of Usenet/newsgroups (typically
devout faith-based types, including those of pretend-Atheists that
merely act/react as though Semitic) adamantly oppose any such usage or
exploitation of our moon, regardless of the consequences and/or Karma
of just sitting on our butts and doing nothing positive nor
constructive. In fact, it seems only the most faith-based types
object as to any notions of humans ever leaving Earth, and yet they
each want nothing short of global domination in order to prove their
version of everything is all that matters. So, we should only expect
this global situation as going from bad to worse, as long as we allow
only the upper caste of oligarchs that are never elected nor
appointed, to be calling all the shots, as well as otherwise whenever
possible taking all the credits for anything good while in denial
about having anything to do with whatever bad stuff has taken place
because bad things are supposedly never their fault.
Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting mountainous area
of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or
magnify this extensively mountainous terrain of Venus that I’ve
focused upon, really shouldn’t be asking too much. Most of modern
PhotoZoom and numerous other photographic software variations tend to
accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone
and Safari image zooming), although some extra applied filtering and
thereby image enhancing for dynamic range compensations (aka contrast)
can further improve upon the end result (no direct pixel modifications
should ever be necessary, because it’s all a derivative from the
original Magellan radar imaging of 36 confirming radar scans/pixel,
that can always be 100% verified).
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146
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percentage-wise those stars of extremely ionized plasma actually have
very little metal to spare until the extreme fusion process creates a
carbon white dwarf or denser remainder. However, planets and moons
are not the least bit metallicity deficient, because hardly if any of
their mass is plasma or much less fusion worthy.
As recently reported, the core of mother Earth is roughly a thousand
degrees hotter than previously thought, and not that anyone here gives
a hoot or cares a tinkers damn about the significance of our core
having more thorium and uranium than previously thought, but at least
this revised core assessment means we should have more of a helium
cache and resupply than previously thought, and the way things are
going, we’ll need every bit of it.
All things considered, it’s all perfectly relative (as George Carlin
said; Earth will be here long after we’re gone), because when
necessary we can always get lots of future helium and even extract He3
(3He) from our moon, which might some day become viable considering
the ongoing depletion and the artificially inflated cost of
terrestrial helium as literally going through the roof. Of course any
off-world resource of rare elements like helium is going to be spendy
as hell, but if there’s an insufficient terrestrial resupply of such
essential elements that’s in greater demand than ever, is what should
make its future cost a non-issue, just like the mutually perpetrated
as hell, but if there’s an insufficient terrestrial resupply of such
essential elements that’s in greater demand than ever, is what should
cold-war era and subsequent proxy wars plus whatever consequence of
our military industrial complex and various Karma payback revenge
apparently hasn’t been an issue of cost for most of us, not even at
our military industrial complex and various Karma payback revenge
having cost this world trillions per year and having terminated
millions of lives, in great part because we simply could not manage to
otherwise deal with upgrading common infrastructure issues and sustain
millions of lives, in great part because we simply could not manage to
our spendy global domination plus cloak and dagger wars at the same
time. So obviously whatever cost is not a factor once having compared
this to the ongoing cost of what our mainstream status-quo seem to
accept and even promote whenever ethnicity and the ever increasing
wealth and authority disparity seems a whole lot more important, at
least if you happen to be a Rothschild oligarch that has never worked
at any honest job in their life.
The atmospheric escape of helium simply isn’t limited as to the
mainstream reported and K-12 textbook published notion of 50 grams/
sec, at least not as of the last few hundred years of us exploiting
every accessible pool or deposit of hydrocarbons which always includes
an unbound component of helium provided from a million holes as
having been punched into Earth, along with nature keeping up with its
fair share of sustaining the 5.24 ppm saturation which also doesn’t
stick around for long after the source is either depleted, plugged or
especially once tapped out, because the innards of Earth is supposedly
limited as to creating just 3000 tonnes/year, even though its worth
could now be revised upwards to suggest as much as 30,000 tonnes/year,
which still may not be sufficient as long as there’s no apparent
recycling efforts and the uneducated public is willing to pay and/or
getting taxed upon science and technology having to pay more than
$1000/m3 or $176/oz.
It has been well documented that some natural geothermal vents in
India have been objectively quantified as giving off 20% helium (1e25
those of those heavier than nitrogen), plus we always have more than a
dozen active volcanic eruptions, and per se none of that considerable
volume of helium sticks around but for a few seconds per vertical
meter after each geothermal vent/belch because its vertical migration
has been objectively quantified. Otherwise most natural ground
venting of helium is perhaps worth something less than 1 ppm/sec.
However, even if the all-inclusive average leakage of all things
natural plus artificially caused were limited as to only 10% of that
by providing only 0.1 ppm/m2/sec, is still a global surface exit
volume of 5.1e13 ppm/m3/sec, and don't ever forget there's roughly
5e25 atoms/m3 of standard surface air which makes that conservative .1
ppm/m3/sec into being worth 5e18 atoms of helium escapement per each
and every surface cubic meter of surface atmosphere.
5e18 x 5.1e14 x 1.67e-27 = 42.6e5 kg/sec.
As is each cubic meter of surface atmosphere supposedly contains 5.24
continually replenished, because of the extremely low mass or specific
gravity of helium which never binds with anything as it unavoidably
floats and drifts upwards because of its minimal molecular mass, is
what also makes it a rather buoyant or lofty element that’s never
going to hold whatever vertical position upon release nor much less
migrate itself downward on its own, as others having specified that
our planet would need roughly 7 times as much gravity in order to hold
onto its helium.
Even if this ongoing molecular loss of 2He were given 1000 seconds in
onto its helium.
order to escape each vertical cubic meter, is going to represent that .
1 ppm/m3 of natural plus artificial surface escapement is going to
give us an all-inclusive global loss of 4.26e3 kg/sec(4.26 tonnes/
1 ppm/m3 of natural plus artificial surface escapement is going to
sec), which seems a far cry greater rate of loss than any wussy 50
grams/sec as specified by our mainstream status-quo science peers
that’s always getting their purely subjective estimate of global
helium loss published just about everywhere.
I’ve certainly made my fair share of math mistakes in the past, and
perhaps this is yet another mistaken conclusion, but I honestly don’t
think so. If I’m way the hell off base, then why don’t our Big Energy
supposedly knowing everything there is to know, should bother to tell
us otherwise?
Since multiple public funded Earth science missions like OCO have been
foiled, perhaps our Big Energy buddies at BP are the ones that should
be telling us exactly how little helium escapes from all of their
hydrocarbon exploitations and refineries, as compared to Jamnagar,
PDVSA, ExxonMobil, Shell or others.
Our planet simply has not been gaining atmospheric mass, even though
humanity has been doing everything possible as to increasing its
saturations of CO2 and NOx in addition to increasing water vapor plus
loads of acidic soot and many other artificial contributions (mostly
saturations of CO2 and NOx in addition to increasing water vapor plus
of bad or toxic stuff) along with our having been venting hydrogen and
helium as fast as we can manage. Perhaps initially our planet had 100
bar (5.1e20 kg) worth of an atmospheric layer protecting everything,
or nearly a hundred times more atmospheric mass to work with, but
obviously that’s not the case anymore with an atmospheric mass of only
5.1e18 kg (10 tonnes/m2).
Helium escapement (second to the easiest of elements to blow away) is
constantly excavated away from Earth by the solar wind which includes
some of its own helium (CMEs offering as much as 10% He and the
average solar wind supposedly offers 4%), none of which sticks with
our planet other than temporarily lingering within the exosphere
because, most of the solar wind is fended off by the magnetosphere.
Even our moon can't manage to hold onto its ionized sodium (23 times
heavier than helium), with an exospheric ionized sodium cloud of 9r
and a comet like tail of 900,0000 km, of which Earth passes directly
through every time that moon gets directly aligned between us and our
sun that's typically blowing at 300 km/sec, which can surge to 1000+
through every time that moon gets directly aligned between us and our
km/sec. Anyone care to give us your swag as to how much ionized
sodium/sec is extracted from and leaving our moon?
No doubt there’s another treasure trove of lithium within our moon,
not to mention those heavy elements besides iron and titanium plus
thorium and uranium and perhaps even some cobalt which should help to
explain the gamma our naked moon has to offer. Of course, if there’s
heavy elements would also represent that platinum and gold shouldn’t
be excluded.
There is always some influx of elements, including helium as contained
fraction of what vapor tonnage of our terrestrial hydrogen and helium
is being lost to space.
One of the many off-world benefits of TBMs excavating into the thick
paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of our moon, will be the
extraction of 2He and 3He in addition to obtaining volumes of good old
One of the many off-world benefits of TBMs excavating into the thick
paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of our moon, will be the
O2 and various other elements including a little H2O from vaporizing
its paramagnetic basalt. The hard part of all this has to do with
convincing our terrestrial oligarchs into allowing this future
treasure trove of nearby element extractions to happen, before it’s
too late.
Of course, according to our Georgia Guidestones and if adhering to
treasure trove of nearby element extractions to happen, before it’s
too late.
their specified manifesto dogma of planet Earth accommodating a
maximum of only 500 million humans, of extremely well educated and
wealthy humans that a great deal of modern technology is capably
taking care of, would pretty much eliminate any need of future off-
world exploitations. No doubt the reason why our FEMA and DHS needed
those extra spare billions of hollow tipped bullets (perhaps by now
we’re talking 15+ bullets for each and every man, woman and child on
Earth, not to mention our combined WMD capability that has gotten
those extra spare billions of hollow tipped bullets (perhaps by now
we’re talking 15+ bullets for each and every man, woman and child on
multifold capable of eliminating most every soul on Earth as well as
wiping out most other biodiversity). Gee whiz, what sort of global
Karma could possibly go wrong? (this time)
wiping out most other biodiversity). Gee whiz, what sort of global
Naturally, to most that manage to read through this revised topic and
its, our moon has absolutely nothing to do with exploiting the
extremely nearby planet Venus, or so you might think. Unlike your
mainstream cozy box-limited self of keeping everything nicely social/
political and faith-based correct and thereby failsafe, by not
sticking your mostly white and/or rednecks anywhere near the
obfuscation edge of any possible nondisclosures and taboos that would
only get you and your extended family into a whole lot of mainstream
status-quo trouble, is pretty much why we’re in the doom and gloom
sort of mess we’re in.
Terraforming the innards of our moon is just another logical
steppingstone, as providing a terrific outpost/gateway and very safe
oasis capable of housing billions of us, as well as for utilizing its
L1 and L2 plus eventually as being relocated within Earth L1 in order
to directly benefit everyone else stuck on Earth, including salvaging
most of the global environment that essentially needs an opportunity
to cool off before it’s too late. There’s actually 10+ good reasons
for every bad notion you can think of, but when mainstream naysayism,
science obfuscation and their denial of being in denial has closed all
the doors, is what makes all of this a whole lot harder than it needs
to be.
We could also learn a lot about atmospheric and geological physics
from exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus that has lots of
just about everything to offer, including at least one set of weird
geometrical formations offering a very rational infrastructure
community like setting. But of course our NASA and their associates
of closely protected insiders are having none of this, no matters what
the consequences.
Obviously our resident FUD-masters of Usenet/newsgroups (typically
devout faith-based types, including those of pretend-Atheists that
merely act/react as though Semitic) adamantly oppose any such usage or
exploitation of our moon, regardless of the consequences and/or Karma
of just sitting on our butts and doing nothing positive nor
constructive. In fact, it seems only the most faith-based types
object as to any notions of humans ever leaving Earth, and yet they
each want nothing short of global domination in order to prove their
version of everything is all that matters. So, we should only expect
this global situation as going from bad to worse, as long as we allow
only the upper caste of oligarchs that are never elected nor
appointed, to be calling all the shots, as well as otherwise whenever
possible taking all the credits for anything good while in denial
about having anything to do with whatever bad stuff has taken place
because bad things are supposedly never their fault.
Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting mountainous area
of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or
magnify this extensively mountainous terrain of Venus that I’ve
focused upon, really shouldn’t be asking too much. Most of modern
PhotoZoom and numerous other photographic software variations tend to
accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone
and Safari image zooming), although some extra applied filtering and
thereby image enhancing for dynamic range compensations (aka contrast)
can further improve upon the end result (no direct pixel modifications
should ever be necessary, because it’s all a derivative from the
original Magellan radar imaging of 36 confirming radar scans/pixel,
that can always be 100% verified).
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146
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Brad Guth
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It’s interesting whenever a Usenet/newsgroup topic or subsequent
replies favor anything on behalf of a developing technology or applied
physics for benefiting the lower 99.9% caste and for otherwise
protecting or salvaging our global environment in multiple ways, in
that only those intent upon topic/author stalking and bashing for the
sake of discrediting others for all they can muster, seem to show up
like those funny little cars with a dozen or more clowns jumping out
in order to spin, obfuscate and FUD everything for all it’s worth, as
well as in order to discredit anyone that isn’t fully oligarch
approved. On the other hand, whenever something is represented for
improving the wealth and authority of oligarchs that seldom if ever
have to work an honest day in their life, whereas any topics and
replies on their butt-covering behalf seem to get mainstream media and
even international attention, as well as much of their interpretation
of science, physics and especially history getting mainstream
published and into our K-12 textbooks as though it were the one and
only undeniable word of God with by the way doesn’t even believe in
hell.
So, it obviously pays big-time if you’re an oligarch or even one of
their brown-nosed minions, because life is very good when the lower
99.9% of us always get to pay for everything that directly and
indirectly benefits them in spite of the consequences or how much
negative Karma gets created along the way. In fact, seems the more
bad Karma the better for justifying their military industrial complex
that’s problematic and spendy as hell.
Obviously the intent of keeping our K-12s and others away from using
any public social/media or unmoderated Usenet/newsgroups is very high
on their priority of information damage control, as if Hitler’s SS
Nazi oligarch goons as nicely protected by our “Operation Paperclip”
are still in charge, as having always been protected by our “Operation
Paperclip” policy which secretly extracted them and having given new
American IDs with special privileges and few if any restrictions as
long as they continued working their magic for benefiting our own
oligarchs.
No wonder my topics about privately off-world exploiting of the moon
and the most accessible nearby planet are each being treated as
socially taboo/nondisclosure rated issues, as well as having been
worth forbidding K-12s and others to read or much less contribute any
context or even to ask questions. So, my topics must have hit a few
too many status-quo nerves along the way, because the ongoing
banishment and/or having been topic/author stalked and bashed for all
they can muster seems to be their only hope of keeping mainstream
media and K-12s from reading and interacting within our unmoderated
Usenet/newsgroup topics.
Most school and other public funded intranets automatically block or
filter out unmoderated Usenet/newsgroups, and otherwise most K-12s are
simply not educated well enough to go around those media filters.
However, at some point the oligarch tight grip on their private parts
isn’t going to be sufficient, and once again Karma revenge is going to
rear its ugly head in another 9-11 or worse kind of way, even though
trillions are being spent to either avoid such Karma or because of
previous Karma that still isn’t paid for. In other words, there’s no
shortage of public loot, as long as it’s going mostly into the
oligarch mainstream of sustaining their military industrial complex
instead of exploiting anything off-world like our moon or the
extremely nearby planet Venus.
replies favor anything on behalf of a developing technology or applied
physics for benefiting the lower 99.9% caste and for otherwise
protecting or salvaging our global environment in multiple ways, in
that only those intent upon topic/author stalking and bashing for the
sake of discrediting others for all they can muster, seem to show up
like those funny little cars with a dozen or more clowns jumping out
in order to spin, obfuscate and FUD everything for all it’s worth, as
well as in order to discredit anyone that isn’t fully oligarch
approved. On the other hand, whenever something is represented for
improving the wealth and authority of oligarchs that seldom if ever
have to work an honest day in their life, whereas any topics and
replies on their butt-covering behalf seem to get mainstream media and
even international attention, as well as much of their interpretation
of science, physics and especially history getting mainstream
published and into our K-12 textbooks as though it were the one and
only undeniable word of God with by the way doesn’t even believe in
hell.
So, it obviously pays big-time if you’re an oligarch or even one of
their brown-nosed minions, because life is very good when the lower
99.9% of us always get to pay for everything that directly and
indirectly benefits them in spite of the consequences or how much
negative Karma gets created along the way. In fact, seems the more
bad Karma the better for justifying their military industrial complex
that’s problematic and spendy as hell.
Obviously the intent of keeping our K-12s and others away from using
any public social/media or unmoderated Usenet/newsgroups is very high
on their priority of information damage control, as if Hitler’s SS
Nazi oligarch goons as nicely protected by our “Operation Paperclip”
are still in charge, as having always been protected by our “Operation
Paperclip” policy which secretly extracted them and having given new
American IDs with special privileges and few if any restrictions as
long as they continued working their magic for benefiting our own
oligarchs.
No wonder my topics about privately off-world exploiting of the moon
and the most accessible nearby planet are each being treated as
socially taboo/nondisclosure rated issues, as well as having been
worth forbidding K-12s and others to read or much less contribute any
context or even to ask questions. So, my topics must have hit a few
too many status-quo nerves along the way, because the ongoing
banishment and/or having been topic/author stalked and bashed for all
they can muster seems to be their only hope of keeping mainstream
media and K-12s from reading and interacting within our unmoderated
Usenet/newsgroup topics.
Most school and other public funded intranets automatically block or
filter out unmoderated Usenet/newsgroups, and otherwise most K-12s are
simply not educated well enough to go around those media filters.
However, at some point the oligarch tight grip on their private parts
isn’t going to be sufficient, and once again Karma revenge is going to
rear its ugly head in another 9-11 or worse kind of way, even though
trillions are being spent to either avoid such Karma or because of
previous Karma that still isn’t paid for. In other words, there’s no
shortage of public loot, as long as it’s going mostly into the
oligarch mainstream of sustaining their military industrial complex
instead of exploiting anything off-world like our moon or the
extremely nearby planet Venus.
Brad Guth
Apr 30, 2013, 6:37:41 PM4/30/13
to
Reading this topic is extremely dangerous to your health.
Brad Guth
May 3, 2013, 12:49:57 PM5/3/13
to
Does anyone have a fly-by-rocket lander as having been prototype
proven?
proven?
Brad Guth
May 4, 2013, 8:31:38 AM5/4/13
to
Without our moon we’d have roughly a third the ocean tides we now
have, and there’d still be our seasonal tilt and those pesky storm
tidal surges but nothing nearly as nasty, plus those twice a day solar
generated tides would become as extremely regular as any atomic clock
minus those minor rotational friction and tidal locking factors
associated with orbiting the sun that’s only getting hotter and more
unpredictable as it ages. Placing our moon within the halo orbit of
Earth L1 would give us a constant tidal alignment cycle plus roughly
half the existing tidal variances and thereby half of the tidal surge
issues we currently have to deal with. This alone could be worth a
trillion dollars per year, as based upon greatly reduced coastal
erosions, greatly reduced storm surge damage and otherwise when
greatly improved coastal and river delta usage as productivity issues
are taken into account, because our coastal infrastructures wouldn’t
be so easily traumatized and/or damaged beyond the point of no return
each year.
A lot of our coastal infrastructure simply can not get affordably
accomplished because of the greatly added cost of having to deal with
our existing tidal and storm-surge issues, and wherever it gets
established is always considerably more complex and spendy in order to
deal with and stand up against nature.
Given that the enormous gravity of our moon contributes the vast
majority of our global morphing, as a slow physical modulation and its
unavoidable internal heating of our planet from those unavoidable
frictions caused by tidal interactions continually flexing the
relatively thin crust, thereby keeping our crustal plates moving and
causing us nothing but grief by way of inducing and/or triggering
earthquakes, as well as increased geothermal heat and volcanic issues
made a whole lot worse, as such could be easily considered as worth
another trillion dollars per year.
In other words, with humans becoming more coastal dependent than ever,
and our demanding infrastructures growing by leaps and bounds, as is
our moon is capable of creating a couple trillion dollars worth of
grief each and every year for us, especially when at least some
measurable degree of global warming from it’s IR and always tidal
heating in addition to the subsequent climate severity issues that can
be directly linked, not to mention what gaining a 3% spot of shade
would go a long ways towards cooling our planet and eventually
recreating those essential volumes of glacial ice that by rights
should stabilize global weather patterns once we had our moon
repositioned and actively station-keeping within our Sun Earth L1.
Of course doing absolutely nothing about utilizing our moon as for
geoengineering multiple solutions for the greater good of our planet
has always been the mainstream status-quo method of forcing the lower
99.9% caste to essentially pay for everything that could otherwise be
prevented and/or moderated to suit quite nicely in our advantage, and
perhaps best of all is that we’d still have not exploited anything
about the naked surface or the cozy innards of our moon, which would
probably make our NASA/Apollo wizards and oligarchs very happy
campers. If you happen to be a failsafe insider and happily
mainstream boxed kind of person that doesn’t bother to contemplate or
ponder anything, thus unwilling to consider what future generations
and the whole biodiversity of our planet is going to need, then by all
means you have made the right decision about not ever relocating our
moon to L1.
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have, and there’d still be our seasonal tilt and those pesky storm
tidal surges but nothing nearly as nasty, plus those twice a day solar
generated tides would become as extremely regular as any atomic clock
minus those minor rotational friction and tidal locking factors
associated with orbiting the sun that’s only getting hotter and more
unpredictable as it ages. Placing our moon within the halo orbit of
Earth L1 would give us a constant tidal alignment cycle plus roughly
half the existing tidal variances and thereby half of the tidal surge
issues we currently have to deal with. This alone could be worth a
trillion dollars per year, as based upon greatly reduced coastal
erosions, greatly reduced storm surge damage and otherwise when
greatly improved coastal and river delta usage as productivity issues
are taken into account, because our coastal infrastructures wouldn’t
be so easily traumatized and/or damaged beyond the point of no return
each year.
A lot of our coastal infrastructure simply can not get affordably
accomplished because of the greatly added cost of having to deal with
our existing tidal and storm-surge issues, and wherever it gets
established is always considerably more complex and spendy in order to
deal with and stand up against nature.
Given that the enormous gravity of our moon contributes the vast
majority of our global morphing, as a slow physical modulation and its
unavoidable internal heating of our planet from those unavoidable
frictions caused by tidal interactions continually flexing the
relatively thin crust, thereby keeping our crustal plates moving and
causing us nothing but grief by way of inducing and/or triggering
earthquakes, as well as increased geothermal heat and volcanic issues
made a whole lot worse, as such could be easily considered as worth
another trillion dollars per year.
In other words, with humans becoming more coastal dependent than ever,
and our demanding infrastructures growing by leaps and bounds, as is
our moon is capable of creating a couple trillion dollars worth of
grief each and every year for us, especially when at least some
measurable degree of global warming from it’s IR and always tidal
heating in addition to the subsequent climate severity issues that can
be directly linked, not to mention what gaining a 3% spot of shade
would go a long ways towards cooling our planet and eventually
recreating those essential volumes of glacial ice that by rights
should stabilize global weather patterns once we had our moon
repositioned and actively station-keeping within our Sun Earth L1.
Of course doing absolutely nothing about utilizing our moon as for
geoengineering multiple solutions for the greater good of our planet
has always been the mainstream status-quo method of forcing the lower
99.9% caste to essentially pay for everything that could otherwise be
prevented and/or moderated to suit quite nicely in our advantage, and
perhaps best of all is that we’d still have not exploited anything
about the naked surface or the cozy innards of our moon, which would
probably make our NASA/Apollo wizards and oligarchs very happy
campers. If you happen to be a failsafe insider and happily
mainstream boxed kind of person that doesn’t bother to contemplate or
ponder anything, thus unwilling to consider what future generations
and the whole biodiversity of our planet is going to need, then by all
means you have made the right decision about not ever relocating our
moon to L1.
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May 5, 2013, 5:09:23 PM5/5/13
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Off-world metallicity exploitation has nothing to do with the small
amount of metals that remain within our sun, but instead having to do
with those metals tossed away at the time our sun was creating its
planets, numerous moons and perhaps millions of asteroids. It’s also
about our doing something positive/constructive with our moon and even
the extremely nearby planet Venus before it’s too late.
Earth without our moon would have roughly a third the ocean tides we
now have, and there’d still be our seasonal tilt along with those
pesky tidal storm surges but nothing nearly as nasty, plus those twice
a day solar generated tides would have been as regular as any atomic
clock (minus those minor rotational friction and tidal locking
factors) associated with orbiting the sun that’s only getting hotter
of our having to deal with those existing tidal and storm-surge
against the natural forces of nature that’s primarily tidal surge
related.
Given that the enormous gravity of our moon contributes the vast
majority (2/3) of our global morphing, as imposing a slow physical
modulation and its relentless internal heating of our planet from
those unavoidable internal and crust related frictions caused by these
considerable tidal interactions continually flexing our whole planet
with its relatively thin crust, thereby keeping our crustal plates
moving and causing us nothing but grief by way of moon caused
tectonics inducing and/or triggering earthquakes, as well as having
increased its continuous contribution of geothermal heat and those
pesky volcanic issues made a whole lot worse, as such could be easily
dependent as well as more concentrated than ever, and our ever
demanding infrastructures growing by leaps and bounds, thereby as is
our moon remains capable of creating a couple trillion dollars worth
of grief each and every year for us, especially costly when at least
station-keeping our moon within Earth L1 may of course disregard this
notion of geoengineered solution(s) as just another Muslim terrorist
or communist plot because, that’s what our resident oligarch redneck
FUD-masters are going to insist, and we already know that you don’t
have the skills nor the independent will to ever go against anything
your faith-based or political peers have to say.
Of course doing absolutely nothing about utilizing our moon, as for
change for the better unless it strictly benefits themselves.. If you
of your box, thus unwilling to consider what future generations and
amount of metals that remain within our sun, but instead having to do
with those metals tossed away at the time our sun was creating its
planets, numerous moons and perhaps millions of asteroids. It’s also
about our doing something positive/constructive with our moon and even
the extremely nearby planet Venus before it’s too late.
Earth without our moon would have roughly a third the ocean tides we
now have, and there’d still be our seasonal tilt along with those
pesky tidal storm surges but nothing nearly as nasty, plus those twice
a day solar generated tides would have been as regular as any atomic
clock (minus those minor rotational friction and tidal locking
factors) associated with orbiting the sun that’s only getting hotter
and more unpredictable as it ages. Placing our moon within the halo
orbit of Earth L1 would give us a constant tidal alignment cycle plus
roughly half the existing tidal variances and thereby half of the
tidal surge issues we currently have to deal with. This consideration
orbit of Earth L1 would give us a constant tidal alignment cycle plus
roughly half the existing tidal variances and thereby half of the
alone could be worth a trillion dollars per year, as based upon
greatly reduced coastal erosions, greatly reduced storm surge damage
and otherwise when greatly improved coastal and river delta usage as
increased productivity issues are taken into account, because our
greatly reduced coastal erosions, greatly reduced storm surge damage
and otherwise when greatly improved coastal and river delta usage as
coastal infrastructures wouldn’t be so easily traumatized and/or
damaged beyond the point of no return each year.
A lot of our coastal infrastructure simply can not get affordably
accomplished or otherwise maintained because of the greatly added cost
damaged beyond the point of no return each year.
A lot of our coastal infrastructure simply can not get affordably
of our having to deal with those existing tidal and storm-surge
issues, and wherever it gets established is always considerably more
complex and extra spendy in order to deal with and having it stand up
against the natural forces of nature that’s primarily tidal surge
related.
Given that the enormous gravity of our moon contributes the vast
modulation and its relentless internal heating of our planet from
those unavoidable internal and crust related frictions caused by these
considerable tidal interactions continually flexing our whole planet
with its relatively thin crust, thereby keeping our crustal plates
moving and causing us nothing but grief by way of moon caused
tectonics inducing and/or triggering earthquakes, as well as having
increased its continuous contribution of geothermal heat and those
pesky volcanic issues made a whole lot worse, as such could be easily
considered as worth another trillion dollars per year.
In other words, with humans becoming more coastal and river delta
dependent as well as more concentrated than ever, and our ever
demanding infrastructures growing by leaps and bounds, thereby as is
our moon remains capable of creating a couple trillion dollars worth
of grief each and every year for us, especially costly when at least
some measurable degree of global warming from it’s IR and always tidal
heating in addition to the subsequent climate severity issues that can
be directly linked, not to even mention the greater value of what
heating in addition to the subsequent climate severity issues that can
gaining a 3% spot of shade would go a long ways towards cooling our
planet and eventually recreating those essential volumes of glacial
ice that by rights should stabilize global weather patterns once we
had our moon repositioned and actively station-keeping within our Sun
Earth L1.
Those of you that still can’t conceive of relocating and actively
planet and eventually recreating those essential volumes of glacial
ice that by rights should stabilize global weather patterns once we
had our moon repositioned and actively station-keeping within our Sun
Earth L1.
station-keeping our moon within Earth L1 may of course disregard this
notion of geoengineered solution(s) as just another Muslim terrorist
or communist plot because, that’s what our resident oligarch redneck
FUD-masters are going to insist, and we already know that you don’t
have the skills nor the independent will to ever go against anything
your faith-based or political peers have to say.
Of course doing absolutely nothing about utilizing our moon, as for
geoengineering multiple solutions for the greater good of our planet
has always been the mainstream status-quo methodology, of their dogma
forcing the lower 99.9% caste to essentially pay for everything that
could otherwise be prevented and/or moderated to suit quite nicely in
our advantage, and perhaps best of all is that we’d still have not
exploited anything about the naked surface or the cozy innards of our
moon, which would probably make our NASA/Apollo wizards and oligarchs
very happy campers, mostly because they really don’t like anything to
could otherwise be prevented and/or moderated to suit quite nicely in
our advantage, and perhaps best of all is that we’d still have not
exploited anything about the naked surface or the cozy innards of our
moon, which would probably make our NASA/Apollo wizards and oligarchs
change for the better unless it strictly benefits themselves.. If you
happen to be a failsafe insider and happily mainstream boxed kind of
person that doesn’t bother to contemplate or ponder anything outside
of your box, thus unwilling to consider what future generations and
the whole biodiversity of our planet is going to need, then by all
means you have made the right decision about not ever relocating our
moon to L1.
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May 6, 2013, 12:22:23 PM5/6/13
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Once TBMs are doing their underground thing, of tunneling and
excavating our moon, it's all good.
excavating our moon, it's all good.
Brad Guth
May 11, 2013, 10:20:19 AM5/11/13
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Once TBMs are doing their underground thing, of tunneling and
excavating the relatively soft innards of our moon, it's all good.
Brad Guth
May 12, 2013, 9:13:27 AM5/12/13
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Terraforming the innards of our moon makes a whole lot more sense than
modifying the heavy atmospheric environment of Venus. Of course we
could have been doing positive/constructive things with each of these
nearby orbs as of more than a decade ago.
Venus can be alive in ways other than conventional life as we know it,
because its atmosphere offers indications of microbial environments
suitable as to offering an ocean of complex life which has been
systematically ignored and otherwise banished by most scientists, and
especially by those afraid of being excluded or banished from the
next round of research grants or extensions.
Photolysis of H2SO4 1 as the Source of Sulfur Species in the Venus
Mesosphere
http://yly-mac.gps.caltech.edu/Reprintsyly/A_ten/high%20profie/zhang%20venus_submitted_0517%20copy.pdf
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:s1wNNr6IN_kJ:yly-mac.gps.caltech.edu/ReprintsYLY/A_ten/high%2520profie/zhang%2520venus_submitted_0517%2520copy.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESg5e9ayRz1JM4nTpWp2HN5jOtqORRpl0W2j7RQbo3gtu8iZoQr_HuwpONHPqKhQQHfdxXyPi4fryEFH2AF0tiuiYISo1jOIk2aMPYB3Z5V3FLl4pOFuGTTa70G1_Mf9hwQA5UKN&sig=AHIEtbQFe0RO_QT617lLbtAGIaGOnpBNvQ&pli=1
This doesn’t mean that its microbes have evolved into intelligent
life, and it also doesn’t exclude as to what truly intelligent other
life could manage to do or function within such a toasty thick
atmospheric protected planet like Venus has to offer.
Being that our moon remains as taboo/nondisclosure rated, you’d think
that by far the most nearby planet that gets to within 100 LD of us
every 19 month cycle should be taken seriously, especially when such
unusual geometrics and even infrastructure kinds of patterns have been
so obvious for nearly 16 years, but oddly never once having been
mainstream pointed out to us or given any official internal review,
other than having applied total obfuscation and denial of being in
denial as the NASA status-quo policy of applied banishment and FUD
towards anyone or anything independently related to the planet Venus.
Venus is most definitely not a terrestrial Goldilocks suitable planet
for any human nudist camps, although most any 5th grade ET Goldilocks
shouldn't have any problems with exploiting such a toasty treasure
trove of raw and extremely valuable elements that should be worth
their weight in gold, platinum and a few other heavy elements to
export.
The extremely buoyant nature of its atmosphere seems almost too good
to pass up, especially for anyone with any speck of airship
engineering and operational expertise, but then most of our best
educated Americans and other peers of our NASA and DARPA are either
totally dumbfounded and without a clue as to how any level of
intelligence or applied physics could ever make a planet like Venus
suitable for any of us, or perhaps they simply intend to maintain as
much mainstream denial and FUD as it takes in order to disqualify
whatever independent outsiders might have to say.
Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting mountainous area
of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or
magnify this extensively mountainous terrain of Venus that I’ve
focused upon, really shouldn’t be asking too much. Most of modern
PhotoZoom and numerous other photographic software variations tend to
accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone
and Safari image zooming), although some extra applied filtering and
thereby image enhancing for dynamic range compensations (aka contrast)
can further improve upon the end result (no direct pixel modifications
should ever be necessary, because it’s all a derivative from the
original Magellan radar imaging of 36 confirming radar scans/pixel,
that can always be 100% verified).
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
modifying the heavy atmospheric environment of Venus. Of course we
could have been doing positive/constructive things with each of these
nearby orbs as of more than a decade ago.
Venus can be alive in ways other than conventional life as we know it,
because its atmosphere offers indications of microbial environments
suitable as to offering an ocean of complex life which has been
systematically ignored and otherwise banished by most scientists, and
especially by those afraid of being excluded or banished from the
next round of research grants or extensions.
Photolysis of H2SO4 1 as the Source of Sulfur Species in the Venus
Mesosphere
http://yly-mac.gps.caltech.edu/Reprintsyly/A_ten/high%20profie/zhang%20venus_submitted_0517%20copy.pdf
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:s1wNNr6IN_kJ:yly-mac.gps.caltech.edu/ReprintsYLY/A_ten/high%2520profie/zhang%2520venus_submitted_0517%2520copy.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESg5e9ayRz1JM4nTpWp2HN5jOtqORRpl0W2j7RQbo3gtu8iZoQr_HuwpONHPqKhQQHfdxXyPi4fryEFH2AF0tiuiYISo1jOIk2aMPYB3Z5V3FLl4pOFuGTTa70G1_Mf9hwQA5UKN&sig=AHIEtbQFe0RO_QT617lLbtAGIaGOnpBNvQ&pli=1
This doesn’t mean that its microbes have evolved into intelligent
life, and it also doesn’t exclude as to what truly intelligent other
life could manage to do or function within such a toasty thick
atmospheric protected planet like Venus has to offer.
Being that our moon remains as taboo/nondisclosure rated, you’d think
that by far the most nearby planet that gets to within 100 LD of us
every 19 month cycle should be taken seriously, especially when such
unusual geometrics and even infrastructure kinds of patterns have been
so obvious for nearly 16 years, but oddly never once having been
mainstream pointed out to us or given any official internal review,
other than having applied total obfuscation and denial of being in
denial as the NASA status-quo policy of applied banishment and FUD
towards anyone or anything independently related to the planet Venus.
Venus is most definitely not a terrestrial Goldilocks suitable planet
for any human nudist camps, although most any 5th grade ET Goldilocks
shouldn't have any problems with exploiting such a toasty treasure
trove of raw and extremely valuable elements that should be worth
their weight in gold, platinum and a few other heavy elements to
export.
The extremely buoyant nature of its atmosphere seems almost too good
to pass up, especially for anyone with any speck of airship
engineering and operational expertise, but then most of our best
educated Americans and other peers of our NASA and DARPA are either
totally dumbfounded and without a clue as to how any level of
intelligence or applied physics could ever make a planet like Venus
suitable for any of us, or perhaps they simply intend to maintain as
much mainstream denial and FUD as it takes in order to disqualify
whatever independent outsiders might have to say.
Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software,
as to viewing this one small but rather interesting mountainous area
of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or
magnify this extensively mountainous terrain of Venus that I’ve
focused upon, really shouldn’t be asking too much. Most of modern
PhotoZoom and numerous other photographic software variations tend to
accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone
and Safari image zooming), although some extra applied filtering and
thereby image enhancing for dynamic range compensations (aka contrast)
can further improve upon the end result (no direct pixel modifications
should ever be necessary, because it’s all a derivative from the
original Magellan radar imaging of 36 confirming radar scans/pixel,
that can always be 100% verified).
“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5630418595926178146
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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On May 5, 2:09 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
May 12, 2013, 3:51:38 PM5/12/13
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Terraforming the innards of our moon makes a whole lot more sense than
modifying the heavy and acidic atmospheric environment of Venus. Of
course we could have been doing positive/constructive things with each
of these nearby orbs as of more than a decade ago, instead of
promoting global inflation on behalf of our oligarch overlords that
pretty much get to do as they please regardless of whomever we elect
or appoint.
Our moon should represent a mining treasure-trove of rare elements on
its naked surface as well as within its crust and especially of those
sequestered below, whereas Venus is likely spitting out more valuable
stuff per month than we can mine/excavate per year on Earth. In
either case we can continue to ignore and/or forget about whatever our
moon and Venus has to offer, and instead focus on continued
exploitations of good old mother Earth for all she’s worth.
However, Venus can be alive in ways other than conventional life as we
know it, because its robust atmosphere offers indications of microbial
environments suitable as to offering an ocean of complex life which
has been systematically ignored and otherwise banished by most
scientists, and especially by those afraid of being excluded or
banished from the next round of research grants or extensions.
Photolysis of H2SO4 1 as the Source of Sulfur Species in the Venus
Mesosphere
http://yly-mac.gps.caltech.edu/Reprintsyly/A_ten/high%20profie/zhang%20venus_submitted_0517%20copy.pdf
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:s1wNNr6IN_kJ:yly-mac.gps.caltech.edu/ReprintsYLY/A_ten/high%2520profie/zhang%2520venus_submitted_0517%2520copy.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESg5e9ayRz1JM4nTpWp2HN5jOtqORRpl0W2j7RQbo3gtu8iZoQr_HuwpONHPqKhQQHfdxXyPi4fryEFH2AF0tiuiYISo1jOIk2aMPYB3Z5V3FLl4pOFuGTTa70G1_Mf9hwQA5UKN&sig=AHIEtbQFe0RO_QT617lLbtAGIaGOnpBNvQ&pli=1
This doesn’t mean that its sulfur tolerant microbes have evolved into
has been systematically ignored and otherwise banished by most
scientists, and especially by those afraid of being excluded or
banished from the next round of research grants or extensions.
Photolysis of H2SO4 1 as the Source of Sulfur Species in the Venus
Mesosphere
http://yly-mac.gps.caltech.edu/Reprintsyly/A_ten/high%20profie/zhang%20venus_submitted_0517%20copy.pdf
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:s1wNNr6IN_kJ:yly-mac.gps.caltech.edu/ReprintsYLY/A_ten/high%2520profie/zhang%2520venus_submitted_0517%2520copy.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESg5e9ayRz1JM4nTpWp2HN5jOtqORRpl0W2j7RQbo3gtu8iZoQr_HuwpONHPqKhQQHfdxXyPi4fryEFH2AF0tiuiYISo1jOIk2aMPYB3Z5V3FLl4pOFuGTTa70G1_Mf9hwQA5UKN&sig=AHIEtbQFe0RO_QT617lLbtAGIaGOnpBNvQ&pli=1
intelligent life, and it also doesn’t exclude as to what truly
intelligent other life could manage to do or manage to function within
such a toasty thick atmospheric protected planet like Venus has to
offer.
Junk DNA may be sufficient for Venusian microbes:
offer.
http://www.livescience.com/31939-junk-dna-mystery-solved.html
“The findings suggest junk DNA really isn't needed for healthy plants
— and that may also hold for other organisms, such as humans.”
Brad Guth
May 13, 2013, 12:49:38 PM5/13/13
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Establishing a surface base of TBM logistics on the moon should be a
relatively simple task, by selecting a small diameter but otherwise
sufficiently deep crater would enable the best initial outcome with as
much natural surrounding protection from the shade and physical shield
derived by keeping the base camp site well below the crater rim.
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relatively simple task, by selecting a small diameter but otherwise
sufficiently deep crater would enable the best initial outcome with as
much natural surrounding protection from the shade and physical shield
derived by keeping the base camp site well below the crater rim.
>
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:s1wNNr6IN_kJ:yly-mac.gps.c...
H�gar
May 13, 2013, 1:50:01 PM5/13/13
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Establishing a surface base of TBM logistics on the moon should be a
relatively simple task, by selecting a small diameter but otherwise
sufficiently deep crater would enable the best initial outcome with as
much natural surrounding protection from the shade and physical shield
derived by keeping the base camp site well below the crater rim.
*** You really should change your drug supplier ... the shit you're
relatively simple task, by selecting a small diameter but otherwise
sufficiently deep crater would enable the best initial outcome with as
much natural surrounding protection from the shade and physical shield
derived by keeping the base camp site well below the crater rim.
smoking seem to be rotting what little brain you had to begin with.
Brad Guth
May 13, 2013, 5:54:15 PM5/13/13
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On May 13, 10:50 am, "H gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Are you suggesting that our redneck guys with all the right stuff
(including the right paperclip stuff) didn't do exactly as they
claimed?
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
(including the right paperclip stuff) didn't do exactly as they
claimed?
H�gar
May 13, 2013, 6:12:57 PM5/13/13
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*** Before you start terrafarming the Moon (or is it Lunafarming), let me
know when you get there, Goth. Let's see, we had the shuttle, and though 30
years old, it was still functioning, but the Nigger had to trade it off for
votes. That's all I'm saying. I have nothing against farming, Terra, Luna
or otherwise, but you have to get there first ... to tickeee ... no farmeeee
And that's you Liberal's fault. Thus far your Magic Negroid blew 6.5
trillion bucks on welfare entitlements, while our roads are falling apart,
our bridges are crumbling, but the deadbeats are comfy, fat and happy and
persuaded to keep voting for more freebees.
Even a moron like yourself should be able to protract that path to its
obvious conclusion.
know when you get there, Goth. Let's see, we had the shuttle, and though 30
years old, it was still functioning, but the Nigger had to trade it off for
votes. That's all I'm saying. I have nothing against farming, Terra, Luna
or otherwise, but you have to get there first ... to tickeee ... no farmeeee
And that's you Liberal's fault. Thus far your Magic Negroid blew 6.5
trillion bucks on welfare entitlements, while our roads are falling apart,
our bridges are crumbling, but the deadbeats are comfy, fat and happy and
persuaded to keep voting for more freebees.
Even a moron like yourself should be able to protract that path to its
obvious conclusion.
Brad Guth
May 13, 2013, 8:32:30 PM5/13/13
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plus having to pay a hell of a lot extra for all the consequences and
negative Karma created by those in charge regardless of whomever we
elect or appoint. JFK attempted to weed out a percentage of ZNR
oligarchs doing all sorts of nasty bad stuff, and that's what got him
dead.
Nowadays it's Big Energy that's in charge of most things your parents
and grandparents were knowingly supporting on behalf of those ZNR
oligarchs, so how proud does that make you feel?
Our government is being extensively run by rogue oligarchs and special
interest insider groups (aka mafia) which we can't elect, appoint or
otherwise regulate by any popular vote or policy, and apparently you
like it to stay either that way if not fully deregulated.
Brad Guth
May 13, 2013, 8:34:23 PM5/13/13
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Establishing a surface base of TBM logistics on the moon should be a
relatively simple task, by selecting a small diameter but otherwise
sufficiently deep crater would enable the best initial outcome with
offering as much natural surrounding protection from the shade and
relatively simple task, by selecting a small diameter but otherwise
sufficiently deep crater would enable the best initial outcome with
physical shield derived by keeping the base camp site well below the
crater rim.
A pinpoint landing within a small crater shouldn’t be any problem for
crater rim.
the new and improved fly-by-rocket landers capable of deploying 10+
tonnes of TBM related payload per mission.
The item which impacted Earth and created our Arctic ocean basin along
with having given us our seasonal tilt and 2/3s of our tidal
considerations, is currently orbiting Earth.
In case you haven't noticed, that moon/planetoid Selene happens to
have a nicely matching 2500 km diameter crater in its amply robust
crust, to have nailed our planet and kept itself mostly intact (minus
its thick layer of ice and having obtained that extremely large
diameter crater).
Sirius(b) likely started off as an impressive 9 Ms star, so I think
you'll need to redo your math if attempting to discover its age as
based upon consuming itself 81 times faster than our sun, puts its red
giant phase starting 123.5 million years ago.
As best I can tell, our solar system has been captured by the much
greater original mass of Sirius(a+b+c) which started off as perhaps
worth a combined 12.5 MS as of not more than 256 million years ago (or
perhaps as of roughly the timeline of when our ice-age cycles started
128 million years ago). Try keeping in mind that the star making
nebula/molecular cloud which produced those Sirius stars was likely
worth 2.5e37 kg, and for a good hundred thousand some odd years was
nearby enough to have included our solar system.
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H�gar
May 14, 2013, 9:43:20 AM5/14/13
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*** If you really think the Military Industrial Complex, whatever that is,
since the Nigger decimated it beyond recognition, is the culprit, perhaps
you should investigate the Liberal establishment's sweethearts, namely
Monsanto and ADM, who are about to put a lock on everything farmers grow and
legally force them to purchase new seeds from THEM every year and punish
those who would grow their own. And they have bribed the appropriate
Congressmen so they can ram this through. A 78 year old farmer was just
found guilty of growing his own seeds.
Way to go, Goth ... your ilk is really looking out for the little guy.
since the Nigger decimated it beyond recognition, is the culprit, perhaps
you should investigate the Liberal establishment's sweethearts, namely
Monsanto and ADM, who are about to put a lock on everything farmers grow and
legally force them to purchase new seeds from THEM every year and punish
those who would grow their own. And they have bribed the appropriate
Congressmen so they can ram this through. A 78 year old farmer was just
found guilty of growing his own seeds.
Way to go, Goth ... your ilk is really looking out for the little guy.
Brad Guth
May 14, 2013, 12:05:55 PM5/14/13
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yourself that got this nation into such debt and deserving of the
negative Karma.
Are you suggesting we not pay other nations or the Rothschilds another
cent of the debt we owe them?
Are you otherwise suggesting that we do not actually have any suitable
fly-by-rocket lander engineering or expertise for exploiting our moon?
Brad Guth
May 14, 2013, 12:19:02 PM5/14/13
to
and their enforcements (especially of anything formulated in part via
public funding or having received any tax credits), but since all
redneck ZNRs like yourself are always foaming at the mouth and farting
your brains out, in that most likely you could not recall or much less
give any credit where credit was due.
In other words, mistakes were made but never by yourself. Go figure
how anything that goes badly or turns worse than expected is always
the fault of others. Sounds almost as though you are a devout Zionist
Jew that's only pretending to be an Atheists.
Brad Guth
May 14, 2013, 4:11:57 PM5/14/13
to
Terraforming the innards of our moon is also about creating unlimited
off-world habitats that are safer than here on Earth, not to mention
having unlimited clean energy and likewise a darn good export of
energy related products, not to mention a whole lot better yet once
our moon is relocated as to being actively station-kept within the
halo of Earth L1.
Of course all the usual gauntlet of rusemasters and FUD-masters are
going to continually pitch a fit over any of this, but then so would
GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Hitler and their oligarch peers.
off-world habitats that are safer than here on Earth, not to mention
having unlimited clean energy and likewise a darn good export of
energy related products, not to mention a whole lot better yet once
our moon is relocated as to being actively station-kept within the
halo of Earth L1.
Of course all the usual gauntlet of rusemasters and FUD-masters are
going to continually pitch a fit over any of this, but then so would
GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Hitler and their oligarch peers.
Brad Guth
May 16, 2013, 9:14:59 AM5/16/13
to
The likes of our Usenet Hagar (aka unsearchable: Hägar) are either
intentionally created and/or having been allowed to coexist as long as
they’re doing their intended job, of status-quo applied FUD and
keeping K-12s away from these public newsgroups, while providing as
much oligarch damage control as possible without any chance of
spilling those beans of truth.
Terraforming the innards of our moon isn’t intended for those of us
with a black naysay heart, content to exploit every terrestrial
resource to the fullest extent and to otherwise exploit and/or punish
as many humans while trashing the environment as much as possible, as
long as it’s short-term profitable so as to directly benefit his
generation.
Come on Hagar, to hear your version of everything, you are supposed to
know absolutely everything under the sun and then some, and otherwise
you have to believe absolutely everything our government agencies like
our DoD, DoE, DARPA and NASA have ever had to offer because, an all
American redneck like yourself can never admit to being snookered nor
much less ever dumbfounded by those of your own kind.
By way of systematically rejecting all things related to exploiting
our moon or the extremely nearby planet Venus (aka GuthVenus), are you
now suggesting that our DARPA and NASA haven't always been 100%
truthful as to our fly-by-rocket expertise as of 4+ decades ago, that
supposedly got us soft-landing and walking harmlessly upon our naked
and physically dark moon?
What happened to your know-it-all redneck spunk?
Are you suggesting that the world can't spare a few trillion to pull
this off, but can easily spend as much or actually a lot more on
sustaining your mutually perpetrated cold-wars plus hot proxy wars
extensively fought over faith-based and genetic ethnicity issues as
well as depleted global resources?
Instead of applied FUD and spin to suit each and every whim of Hagar’s
mainstream status-quo, I've provided alternatives and a perfectly
doable future, whereas Hagar’s redneck policy of obfuscation and
denial of being in denial is what hasn't worked in the past, unless
you were an oligarch or another one of their brown-nosed minions
getting overpaid with benefits and retirement COL contracted in.
Hagar: “And here we thought Adolf Hitler was the bad guy ...”
Unlike yourself, I have been outspoken about government agency
skulduggery, fraud and insider deals on behalf of special interest
groups from the very get-go, especially critical of the ZNR/GOP
oligarch dominated agencies like our IRS, SEC and Federal Reserve that
get to pretty much do as they damn well please regardless of whomever
we elect or appoint, and obviously our FBI, CIA and ATF have not been
functioning much better, especially under DHS which seems
dysfunctional when held accountable for looking after those
specifically interviewed because of perfectly good reasons provided by
others in the know of potential national and international threats.
It’s because of yourself, your parents and grandparents that the likes
of Monsanto and those of Big Energy get to do pretty much as they
please, and no matters how much they manage to screw up it’s always
the fault of others, and then we the consumers and tax payers are the
ones that always get to pay. Basically what BP did was high treason
(at least against 11 Americans that deserved a whole lot better, and
otherwise just ordinary treason against the rest of us), and the likes
of Monsanto extortion is certainly right up there along with
biodiversity tampering as offering no assurances of avoiding future
mutations of negative consequences past the point of no return. In
other words, bees and numerous other complex forms of life which our
planet can’t hardly survive without, don’t hardly stand a chance at
surviving within our Monsanto toxic world, and for all we know us
humans are next on their list of an expendable biodiversity going
extinct because of those new frankenbugs, germs, viruses and even
toxic chemicals specifically created by Monsanto and others involved
with manipulating our molecular genetics for their own short-term
profits.
You Hagar (plus numerous others of your kind), on the other hand seem
to think that none of these government or contracted agencies are ever
too big or too out of control, nor much less having crossed over any
red lines of morality or treason regardless of the consequences or
negative Karma they’ve caused us to suffer and pay for. You seem to
think that any amount of their actions or reactions are always fully
justified, and that anything Big Energy should be deregulated to do as
they please. (it all sounds pretty much about as Paperclip Nazi Skull
and Bones or simply oligarch Jewish mafia as it gets, and obviously
you’re perfectly good with that). In other words, it’s redneck
assholes exactly like yourself that create 9-11s and worse things for
the rest of us.
>
> Terraforming the innards of our moon makes a whole lot more sense than
> modifying the heavy and acidic atmospheric environment of Venus. Of
> course we could have been doing positive/constructive things with each
> of these nearby orbs as of more than a decade ago, instead of
> promoting global inflation on behalf of our oligarch overlords that
> pretty much get to do as they please regardless of whomever we elect
> or appoint.
>
> Our moon should represent a mining treasure-trove of rare elements on
> its naked surface as well as within its crust and especially of those
> sequestered below, whereas Venus is likely spitting out more valuable
> stuff per month than we can mine/excavate per year on Earth. In
> either case we can continue to ignore and/or forget about whatever our
> moon and Venus has to offer, and instead focus on continued
> exploitations of good old mother Earth for all she’s worth.
>
> However, Venus can be alive in ways other than conventional life as we
> know it, because its robust atmosphere offers indications of microbial
> environments suitable as to offering an ocean of complex life which
> has been systematically ignored and otherwise banished by most
> scientists, and especially by those afraid of being excluded or
> banished from the next round of research grants or extensions.
>
> Photolysis of H2SO4 1 as the Source of Sulfur Species in the Venus
> Mesosphere
> https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...
intentionally created and/or having been allowed to coexist as long as
they’re doing their intended job, of status-quo applied FUD and
keeping K-12s away from these public newsgroups, while providing as
much oligarch damage control as possible without any chance of
spilling those beans of truth.
Terraforming the innards of our moon isn’t intended for those of us
with a black naysay heart, content to exploit every terrestrial
resource to the fullest extent and to otherwise exploit and/or punish
as many humans while trashing the environment as much as possible, as
long as it’s short-term profitable so as to directly benefit his
generation.
Come on Hagar, to hear your version of everything, you are supposed to
know absolutely everything under the sun and then some, and otherwise
you have to believe absolutely everything our government agencies like
our DoD, DoE, DARPA and NASA have ever had to offer because, an all
American redneck like yourself can never admit to being snookered nor
much less ever dumbfounded by those of your own kind.
By way of systematically rejecting all things related to exploiting
our moon or the extremely nearby planet Venus (aka GuthVenus), are you
now suggesting that our DARPA and NASA haven't always been 100%
truthful as to our fly-by-rocket expertise as of 4+ decades ago, that
supposedly got us soft-landing and walking harmlessly upon our naked
and physically dark moon?
What happened to your know-it-all redneck spunk?
Are you suggesting that the world can't spare a few trillion to pull
this off, but can easily spend as much or actually a lot more on
sustaining your mutually perpetrated cold-wars plus hot proxy wars
extensively fought over faith-based and genetic ethnicity issues as
well as depleted global resources?
Instead of applied FUD and spin to suit each and every whim of Hagar’s
mainstream status-quo, I've provided alternatives and a perfectly
doable future, whereas Hagar’s redneck policy of obfuscation and
denial of being in denial is what hasn't worked in the past, unless
you were an oligarch or another one of their brown-nosed minions
getting overpaid with benefits and retirement COL contracted in.
Hagar: “And here we thought Adolf Hitler was the bad guy ...”
Unlike yourself, I have been outspoken about government agency
skulduggery, fraud and insider deals on behalf of special interest
groups from the very get-go, especially critical of the ZNR/GOP
oligarch dominated agencies like our IRS, SEC and Federal Reserve that
get to pretty much do as they damn well please regardless of whomever
we elect or appoint, and obviously our FBI, CIA and ATF have not been
functioning much better, especially under DHS which seems
dysfunctional when held accountable for looking after those
specifically interviewed because of perfectly good reasons provided by
others in the know of potential national and international threats.
It’s because of yourself, your parents and grandparents that the likes
of Monsanto and those of Big Energy get to do pretty much as they
please, and no matters how much they manage to screw up it’s always
the fault of others, and then we the consumers and tax payers are the
ones that always get to pay. Basically what BP did was high treason
(at least against 11 Americans that deserved a whole lot better, and
otherwise just ordinary treason against the rest of us), and the likes
of Monsanto extortion is certainly right up there along with
biodiversity tampering as offering no assurances of avoiding future
mutations of negative consequences past the point of no return. In
other words, bees and numerous other complex forms of life which our
planet can’t hardly survive without, don’t hardly stand a chance at
surviving within our Monsanto toxic world, and for all we know us
humans are next on their list of an expendable biodiversity going
extinct because of those new frankenbugs, germs, viruses and even
toxic chemicals specifically created by Monsanto and others involved
with manipulating our molecular genetics for their own short-term
profits.
You Hagar (plus numerous others of your kind), on the other hand seem
to think that none of these government or contracted agencies are ever
too big or too out of control, nor much less having crossed over any
red lines of morality or treason regardless of the consequences or
negative Karma they’ve caused us to suffer and pay for. You seem to
think that any amount of their actions or reactions are always fully
justified, and that anything Big Energy should be deregulated to do as
they please. (it all sounds pretty much about as Paperclip Nazi Skull
and Bones or simply oligarch Jewish mafia as it gets, and obviously
you’re perfectly good with that). In other words, it’s redneck
assholes exactly like yourself that create 9-11s and worse things for
the rest of us.
>
> Terraforming the innards of our moon makes a whole lot more sense than
> modifying the heavy and acidic atmospheric environment of Venus. Of
> course we could have been doing positive/constructive things with each
> of these nearby orbs as of more than a decade ago, instead of
> promoting global inflation on behalf of our oligarch overlords that
> pretty much get to do as they please regardless of whomever we elect
> or appoint.
>
> Our moon should represent a mining treasure-trove of rare elements on
> its naked surface as well as within its crust and especially of those
> sequestered below, whereas Venus is likely spitting out more valuable
> stuff per month than we can mine/excavate per year on Earth. In
> either case we can continue to ignore and/or forget about whatever our
> moon and Venus has to offer, and instead focus on continued
> exploitations of good old mother Earth for all she’s worth.
>
> However, Venus can be alive in ways other than conventional life as we
> know it, because its robust atmosphere offers indications of microbial
> environments suitable as to offering an ocean of complex life which
> has been systematically ignored and otherwise banished by most
> scientists, and especially by those afraid of being excluded or
> banished from the next round of research grants or extensions.
>
> Photolysis of H2SO4 1 as the Source of Sulfur Species in the Venus
> Mesosphere
> http://yly-mac.gps.caltech.edu/Reprintsyly/A_ten/high%20profie/zhang%...
>
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:s1wNNr6IN_kJ:yly-mac.gps.c...
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:s1wNNr6IN_kJ:yly-mac.gps.c...
>
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