new image of Face exactly as expected by artists.
Angel Garcia
I am not disapointed as some vulgar individiuals claim.
The Museum is 9000 (km)^2 and The Face is only about 4 of them
and it is clear that such vast 'canvas' is no different from
what Van Gogh or others understood to be: if one uses excesive
magnification or resolution the 'main' lines remain but the
'texture' of the camvas also appears. One cannot look to
any of these famous paintiings with nose stuck to the canvass.
The FACT is that the main SYMMETRY lines are there as expected
by any sensitive artist. Both eyes ; complete (both sides ) of
the mouth and the PROOF !: the perfect symmetry of the long
hair with neat striations in both sides.
What did we spect ?: exactly what it is seen, such symmetry in
the hair which cannot be expected to be there if we were
dealing with an ordinary knob-hill.
--
Angel, secretary of Universitas Americae (UNIAM). His proof of ETI at
Cydonia and complete Index of new "TETET-97: Creatoris Digitus.." by Prof.
Dr. D.G. Lahoz (leader on ETI and Cosmogony) can be studied at URL:
http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bp887 ***************************
Uncle Al
Angel Garcia wrote:
>
> I am not disapointed as some vulgar individiuals claim.
> The Museum is 9000 (km)^2 and The Face is only about 4 of them
> and it is clear that such vast 'canvas' is no different from
> what Van Gogh or others understood to be: if one uses excesive
> magnification or resolution the 'main' lines remain but the
> 'texture' of the camvas also appears. One cannot look to
> any of these famous paintiings with nose stuck to the canvass.
>
> The FACT is that the main SYMMETRY lines are there as expected
> by any sensitive artist. Both eyes ; complete (both sides ) of
> the mouth and the PROOF !: the perfect symmetry of the long
> hair with neat striations in both sides.
>
> What did we spect ?: exactly what it is seen, such symmetry in
> the hair which cannot be expected to be there if we were
> dealing with an ordinary knob-hill.
You are surrounded by a puddle of flop sweat. A typical mark of a
religious zeolot (drooling idiot) is a prediction that is made AFTER the
facts are in, re the Book of Mormon predicting Columbus' discovery of
the New World. Pitiful.
You have pushed multiple kilobytes of crap into this newsgroup,
whistling about Cydonia through your butt cheeks. Over the next three
months multiple photographic surveys by the Mars Explorer will show all
of it, every little whine and sniffle, to be farts. The smell is
already in the air.
Uncle Al gives you a handy little hint: A good religion never sets a
proximate date or makes a verifiable prediction. A really well-worked
scam is always jam yesterday and marmelade tomorrow, but plain toast for
breakfast this morning. Remember, sucking money from your parishioners
makes them more credible. When things get tense, Inquisition!
Oh yeah... NASA CONSPIRACY!!! NASA couldn't conspire to launch two
Space Shuttles within 30 days of each other, or hook a thruster onto
Skylab. NASA is as porous as a strainer less its metal mesh. Hushing
PhDs is like herding cats.
As for symmetry, put a boulder on a pile of sand ans slosh a few gallons
of water past it. Such SYMMETRY is called "streamlines." It is the
default for any fluid plus displaceable medium to serve as remnant
marker. PUT YOUR HAND ON YOUR COMPUTER MONTIOR. CAN YOU FELL THE
WARMTH OF CYDONIA COMING THROUGH!!!!!
Pitiful.
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Charles Glidden
>
>The FACT is that the main SYMMETRY lines are there as expected
>by any sensitive artist. Both eyes ; complete (both sides ) of
>the mouth and the PROOF !: the perfect symmetry of the long
>hair with neat striations in both sides.
>
>What did we spect ?: exactly what it is seen, such symmetry in
>the hair which cannot be expected to be there if we were
>dealing with an ordinary knob-hill.
>--
>
There are other hills all around that look about the same but are not
perfect. Are they unfinished sculptures? more broken down sculptures? Or
will all the examples around did one just happen to line up right?
With just the right contrast sure looks like a face to me. But in drawing a
human isn't the easiest thing to portray a face and the hardest the hands?
Regards,
Charles
J. Scott Miller
Angel Garcia wrote:
>
> I am not disapointed as some vulgar individiuals claim.
> The Museum is 9000 (km)^2 and The Face is only about 4 of them
> and it is clear that such vast 'canvas' is no different from
> what Van Gogh or others understood to be: if one uses excesive
> magnification or resolution the 'main' lines remain but the
> 'texture' of the camvas also appears. One cannot look to
> any of these famous paintiings with nose stuck to the canvass.
>
> by any sensitive artist. Both eyes ; complete (both sides ) of
> the mouth and the PROOF !: the perfect symmetry of the long
> hair with neat striations in both sides.
>
> What did we spect ?: exactly what it is seen, such symmetry in
> the hair which cannot be expected to be there if we were
> dealing with an ordinary knob-hill.
I want some of what he is smoking (or however he's getting it into his
system). To live in a fantacy world! That must be an experience.
--
J. Scott Miller, Program Coordinator jsmi...@homer.louisville.edu
Rauch Memorial Planetarium http://www.louisville.edu/planetarium
University of Louisville
Steve Schaper
: I want some of what he is smoking (or however he's getting it into his
To try to be fair, if one knows it is supposed to look like a face, and
has seen the Viking images, one can kind of make out what features were
mistaken as a face. If they weren't so obviously erosional features (which
has me excited, here, just off shore of what may be a global escarpment,
we have altitude differentiated erosion on what could have been an island
during the Noachian epoch) then one could say, perhaps, that they were a
face, in the Spanish art style. But only if one really wanted to believe
that that is what it is. If one sees the picture without thinking of what
it it supposed to be, one will see badlands on top of a mesa.
-Steve
Angel Garcia
Uncle Al (Uncl...@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Angel Garcia wrote:
>> .....
>> The FACT is that the main SYMMETRY lines are there as expected
>> by any sensitive artist. Both eyes ; complete (both sides ) of
>> the mouth and the PROOF !: the perfect symmetry of the long
>> hair with neat striations in both sides.
>>
>> What did we spect ?: exactly what it is seen, such symmetry in
>> the hair which cannot be expected to be there if we were
>> dealing with an ordinary knob-hill.
>
These anecdotal images of the high-resolution MOC at glancing angles
are good to find new things; but not at all to map the Museum: it would
require some 30 lucky passes (different orbits at various angles and
ranges) to glue these 4 or less km wide strips into a complete Map of the
Museum as we already have with the simple 11 frames of TWO only passes
(orbits) of the Viking. Unless MGS switches to the low resolution
camera to get panoramic views we are not going to get anything good
comparable to what we already have.
.....
> As for symmetry, put a boulder on a pile of sand ans slosh a few gallons
> of water past it. Such SYMMETRY is called "streamlines." It is the
> default for any fluid plus displaceable medium to serve as remnant
> marker. PUT YOUR HAND ON YOUR COMPUTER MONTIOR. CAN YOU FELL THE
> WARMTH OF CYDONIA COMING THROUGH!!!!!
>
> Pitiful.
Comments, really, as any incompetent would judge it !; no math., no art; j
just the stream-lines of your cow-merde. Just shut up: it is not your field !
The prediction about the imaging was not mine, but from JPL and it came to be
exactly as in schedule.
Wayne T Hally
> These anecdotal images of the high-resolution MOC at glancing angles
>are good to find new things; but not at all to map the Museum: it would
>require some 30 lucky passes (different orbits at various angles and
>ranges) to glue these 4 or less km wide strips into a complete Map of the
>Museum as we already have with the simple 11 frames of TWO only passes
>(orbits) of the Viking. Unless MGS switches to the low resolution
>camera to get panoramic views we are not going to get anything good
>comparable to what we already have.
>.....
Angel, you are hopeless. You've been whining for years about needing new
images, now you get them and are whining that the resolution is too
good, and we need wide angle passes. Get a Life!!
PS of course the images are too good....it shows what a hopeless deranged
lunatic you've been all these years.
I would strongly suggest that you view the superb side by side images that
Jerry Lodriguss put together, <ftp://cybernet.net/home/jml/HTML/FACE.HTM>
then you will realize how deluded you have been, and hopefully slink away to
somewhere that will not bother us anymore.
Wayne
yan...@pacbell.net
cybernet.net - no such DNS entry
On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:33:01 LOCAL, wayne....@tek.com (Wayne T
Hally) wrote:
>
>I would strongly suggest that you view the superb side by side images that
>Jerry Lodriguss put together, <ftp://cybernet.net/home/jml/HTML/FACE.HTM>
>
>Wayne
>
>
Stephen Wells
The CSICOP web page has the Viking image and the new MGS data for comparison.
--
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Pour ce que rire est le propre de l'homme.
- Alcofribas Nasier
Angel Garcia
"Charles Glidden" (charles.gli...@tais.toshiba.com) writes:
>>
>>The FACT is that the main SYMMETRY lines are there as expected
>>by any sensitive artist. Both eyes ; complete (both sides ) of
>>the mouth and the PROOF !: the perfect symmetry of the long
>>hair with neat striations in both sides.
>>
>>What did we spect ?: exactly what it is seen, such symmetry in
>>the hair which cannot be expected to be there if we were
>>dealing with an ordinary knob-hill.
>>--
>>
> There are other hills all around that look about the same but are not
> perfect. Are they unfinished sculptures? more broken down sculptures? Or
> will all the examples around did one just happen to line up right?
The martian Designer chose Cydonia for its mensae:little work could do
the right modification for their Art which is vehicle to very, extremely,
hard mathematics FAR SUPERIOR to anything that we currently know on Earth.
The shown Art is also SUPERIOR in dimensions: up to 20 km in diagonal
for asingle Monument PANTOCRATON just south of Face some 70 km. But its
style is well known to us :Abstract Art which is practised by caricaturists.
You cannot look with a lens to the lines (4 or 5) of a genial caricaturist !
you will see just a fast pencil stroke without any merit !.
>
> With just the right contrast sure looks like a face to me. But in drawing a
> human isn't the easiest thing to portray a face and the hardest the hands?
> Regards,
> Charles
>
Excellent comment, Charles. I have not yet seen the 'best enhancement' of
0.9 Mb; just the very first 'enhancement' posted by JPL... and honestly
was very bad: just a blurred image without contrast almost undistinghishable
from the background.
LECTIO Monument (some 10 x 10 (km)^2 just below D&M) has an arm and hand,
but in very abstract Art; the hand, though, is neat and clean. Never can
such MOC strip cover in single pass the totality of LECTIO: it was NOT
designed to be seen at such degree of resolution.
--
Dan Hartung
Angel Garcia <bp...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in article
<6ggfq1$4...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...
> The martian Designer chose Cydonia for its mensae:little work could do
> the right modification for their Art which is vehicle to very, extremely,
> hard mathematics FAR SUPERIOR to anything that we currently know on
Earth.
"Well, then, ain't you the clever ones."
> style is well known to us :Abstract Art which is practised by
caricaturists.
> You cannot look with a lens to the lines (4 or 5) of a genial
caricaturist !
> you will see just a fast pencil stroke without any merit !.
Now it's an alien CARTOON? .... "Well, I don't know from art ...."
Jim Carr
bp...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Angel Garcia) writes:
>
>I am not disapointed as some vulgar individiuals claim.
Neither am I; your response was just what I expected.
>The Museum is 9000 (km)^2 and The Face is only about 4 of them
>and it is clear that such vast 'canvas' is no different from
>what Van Gogh or others understood to be: if one uses excesive
>magnification or resolution the 'main' lines remain but the
>'texture' of the camvas also appears.
That is correct. That is, one can see the paint layers and brush
strokes that tell you it is a painting. Now, on that basis you
would expect to see the evidence of the manufacture of the "face"
image in a high resolution picture. IIRC, that is why you once
advocated better pictures, and what you predicted would be there.
An interested party could surf dejanews and check....
>What did we spect ?: exactly what it is seen, ...
That is not what you claimed to expect in the past.
--
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Doug Weller
On 7 Apr 1998 11:05:45 GMT, in sci.astro, Angel Garcia wrote:
>
>What did we spect ?: exactly what it is seen, such symmetry in
>the hair which cannot be expected to be there if we were
>dealing with an ordinary knob-hill.
You find a LOT more symmetry in nature than you do in art.
Doug
Angel Garcia
True !. But NOT in mountains !. The idiotic prediction of the
skeptics was that such Face had to be continued to the right as and
ordinary mountain: piles of rock as seen at the top; and now that
such brutish, idiotic, very stupid prediction of ignorants has been
proven to be FALSE... they don't want to give up ! no... now will
be rivers of lava or ice ... or caca of their arrogant imagination;
HUMILITY and love to truth and logics and science is that what they
don't have !.
Michael Richmann
bp...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Angel Garcia) wrote:
>
>Doug Weller (dwe...@ramtops.demon.co.uk) writes:
>> On 7 Apr 1998 11:05:45 GMT, in sci.astro, Angel Garcia wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>What did we spect ?: exactly what it is seen, such symmetry in
>>>the hair which cannot be expected to be there if we were
>>>dealing with an ordinary knob-hill.
>>
>> You find a LOT more symmetry in nature than you do in art.
>>
> True !. But NOT in mountains !. The idiotic prediction of the
>skeptics was that such Face had to be continued to the right as and
>ordinary mountain: piles of rock as seen at the top; and now that
>such brutish, idiotic, very stupid prediction of ignorants has been
>proven to be FALSE... they don't want to give up ! no... now will
>be rivers of lava or ice ... or caca of their arrogant imagination;
>HUMILITY and love to truth and logics and science is that what they
>don't have !.
Oh spare me. Study up on fractal geometry before you jump off the
proverbial cliff with statements about mountains lacking symmetry...
--
Mike
My opinions, not Argonne's...
jrs...@netwave.net
I'll admit that the older images looked like a face - and go
so far as to say that perhaps the Chewbacca (sp?) character from
Star Wars may have modelled for it :)
I was struck by the clarity of the new images - NASA has side by
side comparisons of the two missions at:
<http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/msss/camera/images/4_6_face_release/index.html>
Look at the bottom of the page and observe the difference in resolution
between these sets of photos; this new mission has such great
potential. The vehicle orbiting Mars is a precious asset with a limited
lifespan; when we consider the reduced funding our generation provides
NASA today, we really need to get all we can out of these missions to
further their objective to inspire and teach us.
It is clear to me that there is no face on Mars any more than there
are elephants in puffy cloud formations on Earth. In my mind this
issue is solved.
I hope the recent interest in these NASA missions does not wane, except
the science should be driven to where the science leads.
Jim Smith
In article <6gd1a9$o...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
bp...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Angel Garcia) wrote:
>
>
> I am not disapointed as some vulgar individiuals claim.
> The Museum is 9000 (km)^2 and The Face is only about 4 of them
> and it is clear that such vast 'canvas' is no different from
> what Van Gogh or others understood to be: if one uses excesive
> magnification or resolution the 'main' lines remain but the
> 'texture' of the camvas also appears. One cannot look to
> any of these famous paintiings with nose stuck to the canvass.
>
> The FACT is that the main SYMMETRY lines are there as expected
> by any sensitive artist. Both eyes ; complete (both sides ) of
> the mouth and the PROOF !: the perfect symmetry of the long
> hair with neat striations in both sides.
>
> What did we spect ?: exactly what it is seen, such symmetry in
> the hair which cannot be expected to be there if we were
> dealing with an ordinary knob-hill.
> --
> Angel, secretary of Universitas Americae (UNIAM). His proof of ETI at
> Cydonia and complete Index of new "TETET-97: Creatoris Digitus.." by Prof.
> Dr. D.G. Lahoz (leader on ETI and Cosmogony) can be studied at URL:
> http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bp887 ***************************
>
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