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To discover the truth you have to look at one thing. ET, no not
extraterrestrial, Emergent Technology. ET (Extraterrestrial) is not
going to go around in Roswell type spacecraft. In fact if ET REALLY
DOES visit us it will be in the form of interlinked probes no larger
than insects. ET will also be able to find out all he wants to by
putting AI on the Web.
The presence of Intelligent like elsewhere in the Universe is
something that has been speculated about. You are quite right to be
annoyed at all the hoaxers that are around. They do not indeed help us
to answer this question.
There is however one thing that is clear to me and it is this. If ET
wanted to make contact with us he would have done so long ago. A
phased array in space at distances of 1,000 parsecs or more would
easily produce enough signal for even a simple dipole array. This
leaves us with but 2 possibilities.
1) ET does not exist.
2) ET is trying to hide.
Personally I tend to "1". However if we assume "2" and suppose that ET
is lurking somewhere in the Kuiper belt, he is hardly likely to
produce Roswell type sightings.
The resolution of the Fermi paradox and intelligent life will come
though better observational techniques DIRECTED AT THE HOME PLANET.
One thing though has been established by observation. There are NO
Dyson civilizations. All IR stars are super giants, not Dysons.
What is the source of all the rumours?
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/story41.html The setting up of
the CIA links
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/anti_grav_010909.html
US Research into antigravity
http://anthonyhmura.blogspot.com/2008/03/witch-hunts-of-mccarthy-and-fagan.html
More Nazi conspiracy theories
http://www.westga.edu/~hgoodson/The%20Cold%20War.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird CIA activities kept
secret from congress
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/kbank/profiles/mccarthy/
McCarthy was NOT a patriotic American. He was anything but. Basically
if you have an influx of people who expertise was lying, smearing and
innuendo you can hardly be surprised if they turn their skills on you.
At one level you can say that whatever the members of ODESSA did it
was in the past, the dead cannot be brought back to life after all.
However there is the question of closure for their relatives. The
Israelis kidnapped Eichmann basically to get closure.
However closure has nothing to do with Relativity, or why it is
constantly under attack. Basically you steer clear of ODESSA because
they are masters of dirty tricks. We can ask yet another question as
to why antigravity is so persistent. It is obvious that it is complete
nonsense in terms of general relativity, or even in terms of non
relativistic energy conservation.
http://www.slate.com/id/2072733/
http://www.padrak.com/agn/
http://www.janes.com/aerospace/civil/news/jdw/jdw020729_1_n.shtml
The explanation lies fundamentally in the need for those concerned to
salvage something of their reputations. ODESSA originally claimed that
there were these marvellous aircraft which were powered by rays from
Aldebaran. Anyone who disagreed was "aldebaran mis khayyid" - not a
good follower. As we have seen in Iraq anyone who understands "mis
khayyid" is "mis khayyid",. It is the dirty tricks and the climate of
fear engendered that has led to its persistence.
There seems to be very little in the way of scientific justification
or theory. If there is I would like to know what it is.
http://armanen.blogspot.com/2008/05/aldebaran-and-founding-of-world.html
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/reichblacksun/contents.htm
This gives a complete account of the Black Sun cult.
McCarty beat his opponent basically by smearing him. He committed
suicide in 1953. Now when McCarthy became Senator for Wisconsin it
should have been obvious to anyone that Antigravity and Aldebaran was
going nowhere fast. However lies, smears and fear gave it a new lease
of life. Later on Roswell, Area 51 and antigravity started to have a
momentum of its own. The basic reason why Relativity is always under
attack is that there are still black projects that are squandering
money. As I said the classic ODESSA stock in trade of lies and smears
set up the environment in which money could be siphoned off in this
way.
If Congress were to believe 100% in Relativity they would in all
probability demand an end to such funding. The conspiracy theorists
talk about the government knowing more than it is letting on, they
talk about cover ups, alien autopsies etc. etc. The basic cover up is
that of a gigantic fraud fuelled by lies, smears, fear and
disinformation in general.
You have to hand it to ODESSA, they strung Hitler along, they got into
the country they vowed to destroy with a series of lies and then
attempted to subvert it. There were, as I think I have said, always
more Nazis in the US than Communists. McCarthy never mentioned them
once. This is why I think he was one of them.
http://users.isp.com/retic/physics/postinglog.htm
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Rand Simberg 112 you are vectored on this reference to 111.
BTW - This is on my disc. I could post it for 8 years continuously if
people don't shut up.
- Ian Parker
amerikan...@hotmail.com
> On 25 Jul, 04:44, amerikan-idle...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > <http://youtube.com/watch?v=RhNdxdveK7c
> > <http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc533.htm
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> > Ed Conradhttp://www.edconrad.com
> > Man as Old as Coal
> > <
> > =========================================
> > <> PETRIFIED HUMAN BONES, TEETH, SOFT ORGANS
> > > UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE MAN AS OLD AS COAL
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> > > Some Mind-Boggling Discoveries Between Coal Veins
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> More Nazi conspiracy theories
>
> http://www.westga.edu/~hgoodson/The%20Cold%20War.htm
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_MockingbirdCIA activities kept
>
> McCarthy was NOT a patriotic American. He was anything but. Basically
> if you have an influx of people who expertise was lying, smearing and
> innuendo you can hardly be surprised if they turn their skills on you.
> At one level you can say that whatever the members of ODESSA did it
> was in the past, the dead cannot be brought back to life after all.
> However there is the question of closure for their relatives. The
> Israelis kidnapped Eichmann basically to get closure.
>
> However closure has nothing to do with Relativity, or why it is
> constantly under attack. Basically you steer clear of ODESSA because
> they are masters of dirty tricks. We can ask yet another question as
> to why antigravity is so persistent. It is obvious that it is complete
> nonsense in terms of general relativity, or even in terms of non
> relativistic energy conservation.
>
>
> The explanation lies fundamentally in the need for those concerned to
> salvage something of their reputations. ODESSA originally claimed that
> there were these marvellous aircraft which were powered by rays from
> Aldebaran. Anyone who disagreed was "aldebaran mis khayyid" - not a
> good follower. As we have seen in Iraq anyone who understands "mis
> khayyid" is "mis khayyid",. It is the dirty tricks and the climate of
> fear engendered that has led to its persistence.
>
> There seems to be very little in the way of scientific justification
> or theory. If there is I would like to know what it is.
> http://armanen.blogspot.com/2008/05/aldebaran-and-founding-of-world.html
>
> This gives a complete account of the Black Sun cult.
> McCarty beat his opponent basically by smearing him. He committed
> suicide in 1953. Now when McCarthy became Senator for Wisconsin it
> should have been obvious to anyone that Antigravity and Aldebaran was
> going nowhere fast. However lies, smears and fear gave it a new lease
> of life. Later on Roswell, Area 51 and antigravity started to have a
> momentum of its own. The basic reason why Relativity is always under
> attack is that there are still black projects that are squandering
> money. As I said the classic ODESSA stock in trade of lies and smears
> set up the environment in which money could be siphoned off in this
> way.
>
> If Congress were to believe 100% in Relativity they would in all
> probability demand an end to such funding. The conspiracy theorists
> talk about the government knowing more than it is letting on, they
> talk about cover ups, alien autopsies etc. etc. The basic cover up is
> that of a gigantic fraud fuelled by lies, smears, fear and
> disinformation in general.
>
> You have to hand it to ODESSA, they strung Hitler along, they got into
> the country they vowed to destroy with a series of lies and then
> attempted to subvert it. There were, as I think I have said, always
> more Nazis in the US than Communists. McCarthy never mentioned them
> once. This is why I think he was one of them.
>
> Rand Simberg 112 you are vectored on this reference to 111.
>
> BTW - This is on my disc. I could post it for 8 years continuously if
> people don't shut up.
>
> - Ian Parker
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Ian,
You present a very valid argument.
I think you should post the above again and again
and again.
Remember, though, that some people will accuse you
of using up too much Cyberspace.
As for me, I try to keep my postings brief.
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See, sme people get mighty peeeved when they
print out ONE single posting and see that it
ate up one-third of a ream of paper.
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If you have no compassion for them, please
have some compassion for the forests
Ed Conrad
readel ruoy ot em ekaT
Bob Casanova
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by
amerikan...@hotmail.com:
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>http://youtube.com/watch?v=-7ByWlRZlq0&feature=related
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>Ed Conrad
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>Man as Old as Coal
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>> PETRIFIED HUMAN BONES, TEETH, SOFT ORGANS
>> UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE MAN AS OLD AS COAL
><
>> Some Mind-Boggling Discoveries Between Coal Veins
Ummm... What has a claim by a former astronaut about the
current existence of visiting aliens to do with your
obsession? Did the aliens use their temporal displacement
devices to put the "bones" there during the Carboniferous?
<snip>
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:44:54 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by
>
>
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> >==============================
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> >Ed Conrad
> >http://www.edconrad.com
> >Man as Old as Coal
> ><
> >=========================================
> ><
> >> PETRIFIED HUMAN BONES, TEETH, SOFT ORGANS
> >> UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE MAN AS OLD AS COAL
> ><
> >> Some Mind-Boggling Discoveries Between Coal Veins
>
> Ummm... What has a claim by a former astronaut about the
> current existence of visiting aliens to do with your
> obsession? Did the aliens use their temporal displacement
> devices to put the "bones" there during the Carboniferous?
>
> <snip>
> --
>
> Bob C.
Casanobrain, when we want your opinion, we will ask for it...and guess
what, nobody is asking, so shut your yap.
The debunkers, their sympathizers, their supporters, their enablers
and their friends are suspect in a global conspiracy of keeping the
public uniformed. Not only will we stop it, we will reverse it
because good science always defeats bad science. Bad science is the
kind you and your group represent. ALL MANKIND will be united very
very soon and the era of the debunkers will come to a close and will
only be remembered as a very bad chapter in the history of EARTH. It
WILL come to pass!
blue...@hotmail.com
wrote:
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I wholeheartedly agree.
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Edgar Mitchell is a TRUE American hero, not only for
his courage in space but moreso for his courage in
spilling the beans about the second greatest conspiracy
in the history of history.
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He is another Copernicus. He is another Immanuel
Velikovsky. He is another Ed Conrad.
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Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.org
(The No. 1 Conspiracy -- Man as Old as Coal)
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Except for my humility, this probably would have
been a seven-page response.
Bob Casanova
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by blue...@hotmail.com:
<snip annoying whine from the killfile>
>Edgar Mitchell is a TRUE American hero, not only for
>his courage in space but moreso for his courage in
>spilling the beans about the second greatest conspiracy
>in the history of history.
Amazing how a government which couldn't even keep Gitmo
quiet has been able to maintain such a silence about "alien
visitations" for 60 years and numerous changes of Presidents
and Congressmen, all of whom would have been delighted to
"out" their rivals in the opposition party for a bit of air
time...
>He is another Copernicus.
Ummm...no, Copernicus wasn't an astronaut. Or was he also
visited by aliens and taken on excursions?
> He is another Immanuel
>Velikovsky. He is another Ed Conrad.
Wow! You *really* dislike him, don't you?
>Except for my humility, this probably would have
>been a seven-page response.
Your humility matches your ego, and is inversely
proportional to your intelligence.
Mike E. Fullerton
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:19:22 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by blue...@hotmail.com:
>
> <snip annoying whine from the killfile>
>
>> Edgar Mitchell is a TRUE American hero, not only for
>> his courage in space but moreso for his courage in
>> spilling the beans about the second greatest conspiracy
>> in the history of history.
>
> Amazing how a government which couldn't even keep Gitmo
> quiet has been able to maintain such a silence about "alien
> visitations" for 60 years and numerous changes of Presidents
> and Congressmen, all of whom would have been delighted to
> "out" their rivals in the opposition party for a bit of air
> time...
Not amazing at all, just simple psychology. Mitchell touched on the main
points about disinformation. He left out the gullibility involved in
pathological skepticism though.
--
Skeptopathy (pathological skepticism)
the unscientific belief that unusual phenomena are bunk.
Bob Casanova
sci.skeptic, posted by "Mike E. Fullerton"
<infor...@spam-killer-remove-techie.com>:
>Bob Casanova wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:19:22 -0700 (PDT), the following
>> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by blue...@hotmail.com:
>>
>> <snip annoying whine from the killfile>
>>
>>> Edgar Mitchell is a TRUE American hero, not only for
>>> his courage in space but moreso for his courage in
>>> spilling the beans about the second greatest conspiracy
>>> in the history of history.
>>
>> Amazing how a government which couldn't even keep Gitmo
>> quiet has been able to maintain such a silence about "alien
>> visitations" for 60 years and numerous changes of Presidents
>> and Congressmen, all of whom would have been delighted to
>> "out" their rivals in the opposition party for a bit of air
>> time...
>
>Not amazing at all, just simple psychology. Mitchell touched on the main
>points about disinformation. He left out the gullibility involved in
>pathological skepticism though.
Nice shot! However, it's hardly pathological to refuse to
accept personal testimony without some sort of evidence. As
soon as the evidence appears I'll be happy to revisit this
issue.
Bryan Olson
> Bob Casanova wrote:
>> Ummm... What has a claim by a former astronaut about the
>> current existence of visiting aliens to do with your
>> obsession? Did the aliens use their temporal displacement
>> devices to put the "bones" there during the Carboniferous?
>
Ah, the royal 'we'.
> and guess
> what, nobody is asking, so shut your yap.
Bob's post is on-topic and non-commercial, so it is welcome here. He
even snipped off-topic spam from Ed's rant.
> The debunkers, their sympathizers, their supporters, their enablers
> and their friends are suspect in a global conspiracy of keeping the
> public uniformed.
I love it when typos still make sense.
--
--Bryan
Bryan Olson
> Bob Casanova wrote:
>> Amazing how a government which couldn't even keep Gitmo
>> quiet has been able to maintain such a silence about "alien
>> visitations" for 60 years and numerous changes of Presidents
>> and Congressmen, all of whom would have been delighted to
>> "out" their rivals in the opposition party for a bit of air
>> time...
>
> Not amazing at all, just simple psychology. Mitchell touched on the main
> points about disinformation. He left out the gullibility involved in
> pathological skepticism though.
And the idiot interviewer didn't even press Mitchell for anything
specific. Mitchell thinks "the UFO phenomenon is real", but he also
thinks it shouldn't be a surprise if one has been reading the papers.
"At this point, it's probably, "Ho-hum. So what new?"
People inside the government are no more resistant to being convinced by
bad evidence than the rest of us.
--
--Bryan
Fredric L. Rice
>On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:19:22 -0700 (PDT), the following
>appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by blue...@hotmail.com:
><snip annoying whine from the killfile>
>>Edgar Mitchell is a TRUE American hero, not only for
>>his courage in space but moreso for his courage in
>>spilling the beans about the second greatest conspiracy
>>in the history of history.
>Amazing how a government which couldn't even keep Gitmo
>quiet has been able to maintain such a silence about "alien
>visitations" for 60 years and numerous changes of Presidents
>and Congressmen, all of whom would have been delighted to
>"out" their rivals in the opposition party for a bit of air
>time...
The answer: George W. Bush and his fellow Christian terrorists are
incompetent traitors and it's only because of the work of other
conspirators with non-Republican IQs which came before the Bush
terrorist regime that manages to keep the secret from unraveling.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5W8ALB0SNU
Insane woman verbally assaults 2 little girls
Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
Dig thru the entire gallery of his pictures.
http://www.edconrad.com/pics/
Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
Betty Davis is alive and well living on the secret moon base,
www.freedomtofascism.com
with her 3 poodles, Roy Rodgers and a can of WD40.
Bob Casanova
sci.skeptic, posted by fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L.
Rice):
Yeah...yeah, *that* must be it! ("Uh, yeah, man; I see it
too!") ;-)