moon landings
Leff T Wright
it and
the other landings really unify and affect a "speedy" end to the Vietnam
mistake
at the time?
Marty
No. The moon landings had little or no effect on the war in Vietnam, or
world peace in general. People everywhere kept right on killing each
other, in wars that made the evening news and many that didn't.
The moon landings were the culmination of a political/technological
competition between two major ideological adversaries. It was a
spectacular achievement though, and it gave some indication of things
that we as a species could accomplish. A thousand years from now, the
only thing most people will know of from our time will be the moon
landings. Hopefully, in time, people will reflect on such things and
learn.
Marty
Ginger Lee
how
couldn't such achievment help motivate the globe to come together and lay
away
differences. It's too bad such a movie wasn't made in the early '70's or
right after the
first landing. They had the means.
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Paul Schlyter
Marty <mov...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>With all the hype about global unity as
>> billions watched in July 1969, did it and
>>the other landings really unify and affect
>> a "speedy" end to the Vietnam mistake
>>at the time?
>
>No. The moon landings had little or no effect on the war in Vietnam, or
>world peace in general. People everywhere kept right on killing each
>other, in wars that made the evening news and many that didn't.
If the space race hadn't happened, there could have been a more
intence nuclear arms race instead, which could have affected world
peace a lot. Anyway, since that didn't happen, we don't know what
would have replaced the space race if there had been no space race.
Which means we cannot exclude this possibility.
Btw that's the major weakness with many "what-if" scenarious: since
that "if" didn't happen, we can only guess about the consequences
if it had happened.
> The moon landings were the culmination of a political/technological
>competition between two major ideological adversaries. It was a
>spectacular achievement though, and it gave some indication of things
>that we as a species could accomplish. A thousand years from now, the
>only thing most people will know of from our time will be the moon
>landings. Hopefully, in time, people will reflect on such things and
>learn.
> Marty
>
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Marty
>If the space race hadn't happened, there
> could have been a more intence nuclear
> arms race instead, which could have
> affected world peace a lot. Anyway,
> since that didn't happen, we don't know
> what would have replaced the space
> race if there had been no space race.
> Which means we cannot exclude this
> possibility.
Oh, I agree FULLY. It was much better to have the two superpowers
racing to the moon than duking it out in most other ways. And it all
led to one of mankind's most spectacular technological achievements...
the realization of a dream as old as the human ability to dream. My
only point is that it DIDN'T shorten the war in Vietnam in any way, and
people all over the world still felt the need to go to war for all of
the usual reasons.
The achievement still stands though, as an example of what
humankind can accomplish. Maybe someday...
Marty
Chris.B
> The achievement still stands though, as an example of what
> humankind can accomplish. Maybe someday...
> Marty
Isn't it fascinating how two completely different but opposite
extremes of political ideology still achieved space travel despite
themselves?
Just imagine what the human race could achieve without Russia and
America holding us permanently in the dark ages.
Both equally corrupt. Both capable of great things, but ruled by
rogues who make Mugabe look like he could walk on water and still
provide a fake Rolex for every man women and child in his care.
Hopefully America can scrape Bush off its heel but it will never
recover its false pride again. It is much too late and the injuries he
caused are fatal.
Putin's own limitless greed will be his undoing... from within. The
last Tsar is growing old and has only one product to sell. If the
world abandons his expensive oil and gas to go green he will have
nothing left to offer, except total anarchy.
Then we will have to cope with China rising.
While we can still manage it we should put a big notice in orbit to
warn incoming.
Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here!
Steve Sherman
The moon landing did have an effect. It drained more resources from the
Russian's
than it did the USA. The drain on their resources is what did them in.
Steve
Marty
> its heel but it will never recover its false
> pride again. It is much too late and the
> injuries he caused are fatal.
Yeah ~ yeah ~ yeah ~ America is SO EVIL. That probably explains all
the people trying to escape...
Marty
end of this thread for me..
VOR
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:39:06 -0700 (PDT), "Chris.B" <chr...@mail.dk>
wrote:
katrinaxx
can the person of moral concern contemplate America's moon shot and man's
first extraplanetary steps. On the one hand, I stand in awe, amazed at this
most dazzling of feats, one which bespeaks man's capacity to hurl himself
hundreds of thousands of miles against the heavens and yet land on his feet.
On the other hand, a sense of irony grips me to the depths of my being when
I view the moon feat as over against the mountainous problems which yet loom
and which seemingly have rendered man and particularly American man,
impotent and whimpering.
How can this nation swell and stagger with technological pride when it has a
spiritual will so cripped, when it is so weak, so wicked, so blinded and
misdirected in its priorities? While we can send men to the moon or deadly
missles to Moscow or toward Mao, we can't get foodstuffs across town to
starving folks in the teeming ghettos. While our astrophysicists can figure
out the formulas that make the amazing trajectories and landings possible,
we cant seem to get nutritionists and physicians to the shanties and shacks
of Appalachia.
Yes, the nation inches along in dealing with the plagues of hunger,
poverty, racism and war. The United States of America staggers and lurches,
a drunken giant sometimes up, most times down in dealing with the diseases
of our time, both physical and sociological.
Even as astronauts stride forth in the headying atmosphere of the moon,
blindfolded America moves toward the whirlwind of another long, fiery summer
and on to more campus rebellions and bloodletting come September. Thus, I
bid us temper our shouts of exultation as man breaks the fetters of gravity
while being unable to forge the links of brotherhood."
Jesse Jackson
Leader of Operation Breadbasket
New York Times (late edition)
July 21, 1969
TMA-1
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Esmail
> totally pointless
I disagree .. if you choose to use resources in a certain
way, you implicitly choose *not* to use them in an other.
A person of conscience will weigh these consequences.
Katrina, thanks for posting the quote.
Esmail
Greg Crinklaw
> Thanks for the political rant. Now back to Astronomy.
And thank you for reproducing it in full.
BradGuth
> "It seems to me that only with mixed feelings and considerable misgivings
> can the person of moral concern contemplate America's moon shot and man's
> first extraplanetary steps. On the one hand, I stand in awe, amazed at this
> most dazzling of feats, one which bespeaks man's capacity to hurl himself
> hundreds of thousands of miles against the heavens and yet land on his feet.
> On the other hand, a sense of irony grips me to the depths of my being when
> I view the moon feat as over against the mountainous problems which yet loom
> and which seemingly have rendered man and particularly American man,
> impotent and whimpering.
>
> How can this nation swell and stagger with technological pride when it has a
> spiritual will so cripped, when it is so weak, so wicked, so blinded and
> misdirected in its priorities? While we can send men to the moon or deadly
> missles to Moscow or toward Mao, we can't get foodstuffs across town to
> starving folks in the teeming ghettos. While our astrophysicists can figure
> out the formulas that make the amazing trajectories and landings possible,
> we cant seem to get nutritionists and physicians to the shanties and shacks
> of Appalachia.
You silly folks really don't get it, do you. Do you even know about
DARPA?
>
> Yes, the nation inches along in dealing with the plagues of hunger,
> poverty, racism and war. The United States of America staggers and lurches,
> a drunken giant sometimes up, most times down in dealing with the diseases
> of our time, both physical and sociological.
>
> Even as astronauts stride forth in the headying atmosphere of the moon,
> blindfolded America moves toward the whirlwind of another long, fiery summer
> and on to more campus rebellions and bloodletting come September. Thus, I
> bid us temper our shouts of exultation as man breaks the fetters of gravity
> while being unable to forge the links of brotherhood."
>
> Jesse Jackson
> Leader of Operation Breadbasket
> New York Times (late edition)
> July 21, 1969
And the grand Zionist/Nazi ruse of our mutually perpetrated cold war
century continues.
- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Quadibloc
(quoting "Leff T. Wright")
> >With all the hype about global unity as
> > billions watched in July 1969, did it and
> >the other landings really unify and affect
> > a "speedy" end to the Vietnam mistake
> >at the time?
>
> No. The moon landings had little or no effect on the war in Vietnam, or
> world peace in general. People everywhere kept right on killing each
> other, in wars that made the evening news and many that didn't.
>
Ah, but they showed the world that the United States was not a has-
been country while the Soviet Union represented the wave of the
future. (Of course, the invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 might have
helped a bit, too.)
So it may well be that thanks to the Moon landings, India, for
example, was saved from going Communist! That would have made them a
bargain.
John Savard
Quadibloc
> The moon landing did have an effect. It drained more resources from the
> Russian's
> than it did the USA. The drain on their resources is what did them in.
I thought we had to wait for the Strategic Defense Initiative of
Ronald Reagan for that to happen.
John Savard
Quadibloc
nice about Barack Obama. That means that he still has a chance of
making the next election an interesting contest, instead of letting
John McCain walk away with a decision in his favor that would not mean
a real mandate from the American people.
John Savard